Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 5 speed mileage

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When I’m talking about this 190d I’m referring to using it more for local trips 
to town or what not. Not planning on using it for regional work trips, might 
end up getting tired of it pretty quickly then sell it 

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> On Jun 20, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I had an '85 190D 2.2l 5spd I drove just over 100,000 miles. Best I ever got 
> was 43mpg, IIRC I had to keep it to 60mph for that. Average was more like 
> 38mpg.
> 
> I also had an '84 190D 2.2l auto, the best I ever got in that was 38mpg, 
> average was more like 32.
> 
> We went to NH last weekend for Angie's birthday, the '15 Jetta TDI did 56mpg 
> round trip...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:05:50 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> With the fuel prices the way they are, I am actually getting ready to 
> bring my 85 190D 5 speed out of hibernation.  I originally planned on 
> selling it at some point but now I will probably drive it for a while.  
> The problem is, I have a box of keys for the cars out by the shop and I 
> can't find it anywhere.  Anyway, key aside, what kind of mileage will a 
> 2.2 5 speed do?  It has to be better than my E300 turbo although not 
> nearly as fun.  How would it compare to a 648?  Attached is EPA 
> comparison for a few different models.  Surely the 190D would do better 
> than what they list in a real world situation?
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 5 speed mileage

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had an '85 190D 2.2l 5spd I drove just over 100,000 miles. Best I ever got 
was 43mpg, IIRC I had to keep it to 60mph for that. Average was more like 38mpg.

I also had an '84 190D 2.2l auto, the best I ever got in that was 38mpg, 
average was more like 32.

We went to NH last weekend for Angie's birthday, the '15 Jetta TDI did 56mpg 
round trip...

-Curt


On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:05:50 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





With the fuel prices the way they are, I am actually getting ready to 
bring my 85 190D 5 speed out of hibernation.  I originally planned on 
selling it at some point but now I will probably drive it for a while.  
The problem is, I have a box of keys for the cars out by the shop and I 
can't find it anywhere.  Anyway, key aside, what kind of mileage will a 
2.2 5 speed do?  It has to be better than my E300 turbo although not 
nearly as fun.  How would it compare to a 648?  Attached is EPA 
comparison for a few different models.  Surely the 190D would do better 
than what they list in a real world situation?
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 5 speed mileage

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think my son got 45 or more on the highway in MI where the limit was
around 60. Typical was around 40 with his 190D 2.2 munaul.

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> With the fuel prices the way they are, I am actually getting ready to
> bring my 85 190D 5 speed out of hibernation.  I originally planned on
> selling it at some point but now I will probably drive it for a while.
> The problem is, I have a box of keys for the cars out by the shop and I
> can't find it anywhere.  Anyway, key aside, what kind of mileage will a
> 2.2 5 speed do?  It has to be better than my E300 turbo although not
> nearly as fun.  How would it compare to a 648?  Attached is EPA
> comparison for a few different models.  Surely the 190D would do better
> than what they list in a real world
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 5 speed mileage

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I would think the 2007 CDI Bluetec would get close to or over 40 MPG, IF it had 
the DPF removed and was tuned for OFF ROAD USE ONLY. I would guess those Regen 
cycles kill mileage.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 5 speed mileage

With the fuel prices the way they are, I am actually getting ready to
bring my 85 190D 5 speed out of hibernation.  I originally planned on
selling it at some point but now I will probably drive it for a while.
The problem is, I have a box of keys for the cars out by the shop and I
can't find it anywhere.  Anyway, key aside, what kind of mileage will a
2.2 5 speed do?  It has to be better than my E300 turbo although not
nearly as fun.  How would it compare to a 648?  Attached is EPA
comparison for a few different models.  Surely the 190D would do better
than what they list in a real world situation?
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 5 speed mileage

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

IIRC, a 2.2 5-speed manual in tip-top condition should turn
in around 42MPG, best-case conditions.

Our 2.5 does considerably worse.  There are some fuel leaks,
and I believe the timing is not optimal.  It's also got the wrong
rear end ratio.  I think we've been getting something like 35MPG,
best-case.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D -- 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 800

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe not a diamond in the rough, but perhaps a Swarovski.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:49 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Looks a little rough, I'm not sure what that brake thing is about
> but this would likely be quite fuel efficient
>
>
> Seller's Description
>
> Clean title.Engine in good condition 5 cylinder diesel turbo.New
> battery, engine cranks up with half a turn.New master pump,replaced new
> brake hoses and brake calipers last year never had the time to work on
> brakes selling as-is No rust.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1328852630948798
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[MBZ] 190D -- 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Looks a little rough, I'm not sure what that brake thing is about
   but this would likely be quite fuel efficient


   Seller's Description

Clean title.Engine in good condition 5 cylinder diesel turbo.New 
battery, engine cranks up with half a turn.New master pump,replaced new 
brake hoses and brake calipers last year never had the time to work on 
brakes selling as-is No rust.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. Not until 96 MY.

But it does have AC evaporator issues, Eurojunk wiring harnesses, etc.

-D

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 94 V12 doesn't have coil packs? hmmm.  that makes it easier then, sorta
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 3/10/21 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> A 94 W140 would not have coil packs, it will have a conventional distributor 
>> setup with coils, caps and rotors.
>> 
>> I would avoid unless you’re looking for a hole in the ground to pour some 
>> money into. Pre-facelift W140s have a litany of issues to deal with.
>> 
>> 96 and later are the ones to go for.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> On a cross city run yesterday I noticed diesel prices in Phoenix are now
>>> well North of the $ 3 mark... best was $3,09 ... highest I saw was $3.29
>>> with gas running more in the $3.20+ range.
>>> So, fuel prices are clearly in an upward spike.
>>> 
>>> On that note. I went to look at a 1994 S600 V12 Sedan with 76,000 miles
>>> that has been setting for 3 years. It ran when parked because of a "miss in
>>> the engine"...
>>> Anyone here have any words of wisdom about what that might be?  Other than
>>> expensive?  Did not attempt to start it, just gave it a look over. no body
>>> damage, clear coat on hood and roof needs redone. Ask was $2K... we're
>>> "talking about that".
>>> 
>>> I seem to recall something with plugs was a common issue on v12. and parts
>>> were $1,000 per side for coil packs.
>>> Thoughts, advise?  [running shoes are in the tool kit, btw.]
>>> 
 On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:28 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 2.2l or 2.5? I really liked my '85 190D 2.2l 5spd, I really didn't like
 the auto. I don't really like automatic transmission cars anyway so I'm
 probably just biased.
 Best mpg I ever got was 43. I could probably do better now, better tires
 would probably help, I was short on cash back then so I just ran cheap
 bologna skins.
 I've got a few 190D parts still, one headlight surround (with fog light)
 and one tail light, some other stuff too. Anybody wants 'em they can have
 them for shipping. If you wanted to come to MA I'd make breakfast...
 
 -Curt
 
On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 10:30:10 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
 Mercedes  wrote:
 
 I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up
 yet.  I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and
 get the cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps
 now is the time to put it into service for myself rather than selling
 it.  Or perhaps now is the time to sell if as people will pay lots for
 it due to said high prices.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The 94 V12 doesn't have coil packs? hmmm.  that makes it easier then, sorta

--FT

On 3/10/21 10:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

A 94 W140 would not have coil packs, it will have a conventional distributor 
setup with coils, caps and rotors.

I would avoid unless you’re looking for a hole in the ground to pour some money 
into. Pre-facelift W140s have a litany of issues to deal with.

96 and later are the ones to go for.

-D


On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

On a cross city run yesterday I noticed diesel prices in Phoenix are now
well North of the $ 3 mark... best was $3,09 ... highest I saw was $3.29
with gas running more in the $3.20+ range.
So, fuel prices are clearly in an upward spike.

On that note. I went to look at a 1994 S600 V12 Sedan with 76,000 miles
that has been setting for 3 years. It ran when parked because of a "miss in
the engine"...
Anyone here have any words of wisdom about what that might be?  Other than
expensive?  Did not attempt to start it, just gave it a look over. no body
damage, clear coat on hood and roof needs redone. Ask was $2K... we're
"talking about that".

I seem to recall something with plugs was a common issue on v12. and parts
were $1,000 per side for coil packs.
Thoughts, advise?  [running shoes are in the tool kit, btw.]


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:28 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

2.2l or 2.5? I really liked my '85 190D 2.2l 5spd, I really didn't like
the auto. I don't really like automatic transmission cars anyway so I'm
probably just biased.
Best mpg I ever got was 43. I could probably do better now, better tires
would probably help, I was short on cash back then so I just ran cheap
bologna skins.
I've got a few 190D parts still, one headlight surround (with fog light)
and one tail light, some other stuff too. Anybody wants 'em they can have
them for shipping. If you wanted to come to MA I'd make breakfast...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 10:30:10 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
Mercedes  wrote:

I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up
yet.  I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and
get the cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps
now is the time to put it into service for myself rather than selling
it.  Or perhaps now is the time to sell if as people will pay lots for
it due to said high prices.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A 94 W140 would not have coil packs, it will have a conventional distributor 
setup with coils, caps and rotors.

I would avoid unless you’re looking for a hole in the ground to pour some money 
into. Pre-facelift W140s have a litany of issues to deal with.

96 and later are the ones to go for.

-D

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On a cross city run yesterday I noticed diesel prices in Phoenix are now
> well North of the $ 3 mark... best was $3,09 ... highest I saw was $3.29
> with gas running more in the $3.20+ range.
> So, fuel prices are clearly in an upward spike.
> 
> On that note. I went to look at a 1994 S600 V12 Sedan with 76,000 miles
> that has been setting for 3 years. It ran when parked because of a "miss in
> the engine"...
> Anyone here have any words of wisdom about what that might be?  Other than
> expensive?  Did not attempt to start it, just gave it a look over. no body
> damage, clear coat on hood and roof needs redone. Ask was $2K... we're
> "talking about that".
> 
> I seem to recall something with plugs was a common issue on v12. and parts
> were $1,000 per side for coil packs.
> Thoughts, advise?  [running shoes are in the tool kit, btw.]
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:28 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 2.2l or 2.5? I really liked my '85 190D 2.2l 5spd, I really didn't like
>> the auto. I don't really like automatic transmission cars anyway so I'm
>> probably just biased.
>> Best mpg I ever got was 43. I could probably do better now, better tires
>> would probably help, I was short on cash back then so I just ran cheap
>> bologna skins.
>> I've got a few 190D parts still, one headlight surround (with fog light)
>> and one tail light, some other stuff too. Anybody wants 'em they can have
>> them for shipping. If you wanted to come to MA I'd make breakfast...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 10:30:10 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up
>> yet.  I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and
>> get the cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps
>> now is the time to put it into service for myself rather than selling
>> it.  Or perhaps now is the time to sell if as people will pay lots for
>> it due to said high prices.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[G Mann via Mercedes]

On a cross city run yesterday I noticed diesel prices in Phoenix are now
well North of the $ 3 mark... best was $3,09 ... highest I saw was $3.29
with gas running more in the $3.20+ range.
So, fuel prices are clearly in an upward spike.

On that note. I went to look at a 1994 S600 V12 Sedan with 76,000 miles
that has been setting for 3 years. It ran when parked because of a "miss in
the engine"...
Anyone here have any words of wisdom about what that might be?  Other than
expensive?  Did not attempt to start it, just gave it a look over. no body
damage, clear coat on hood and roof needs redone. Ask was $2K... we're
"talking about that".

I seem to recall something with plugs was a common issue on v12. and parts
were $1,000 per side for coil packs.
Thoughts, advise?  [running shoes are in the tool kit, btw.]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:28 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  2.2l or 2.5? I really liked my '85 190D 2.2l 5spd, I really didn't like
> the auto. I don't really like automatic transmission cars anyway so I'm
> probably just biased.
> Best mpg I ever got was 43. I could probably do better now, better tires
> would probably help, I was short on cash back then so I just ran cheap
> bologna skins.
> I've got a few 190D parts still, one headlight surround (with fog light)
> and one tail light, some other stuff too. Anybody wants 'em they can have
> them for shipping. If you wanted to come to MA I'd make breakfast...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 10:30:10 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up
> yet.  I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and
> get the cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps
> now is the time to put it into service for myself rather than selling
> it.  Or perhaps now is the time to sell if as people will pay lots for
> it due to said high prices.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 2.2l or 2.5? I really liked my '85 190D 2.2l 5spd, I really didn't like the 
auto. I don't really like automatic transmission cars anyway so I'm probably 
just biased.
Best mpg I ever got was 43. I could probably do better now, better tires would 
probably help, I was short on cash back then so I just ran cheap bologna skins.
I've got a few 190D parts still, one headlight surround (with fog light) and 
one tail light, some other stuff too. Anybody wants 'em they can have them for 
shipping. If you wanted to come to MA I'd make breakfast...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 10:30:10 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up 
yet.  I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and 
get the cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps 
now is the time to put it into service for myself rather than selling 
it.  Or perhaps now is the time to sell if as people will pay lots for 
it due to said high prices.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Drive it and love it. 

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> On Mar 9, 2021, at 8:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up yet.  
> I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and get the 
> cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps now is the time 
> to put it into service for myself rather than selling it.  Or perhaps now is 
> the time to sell if as people will pay lots for it due to said high prices.
> 
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[MBZ] 190D

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have this 190D 5 speed I got running but have not quite finished up 
yet.  I think the only thing it needs is to replace the windshield and 
get the cruise control going.  With fuel prices skyrocketing, perhaps 
now is the time to put it into service for myself rather than selling 
it.  Or perhaps now is the time to sell if as people will pay lots for 
it due to said high prices.



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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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Gorgeous color makes up for everything else.  Buy at $501.

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> My 2004 Golf reliably gets 45 to 48 mpg.  Rather low for that model, my
> brother routinely got 52 on the highway in his 05 Jetta.
>
> I suspect the low profile tires (which I don't care for, but came with the
> car) and the bad struts up front aren't helping any.  Or the dragging rear
> brakes I really need to replace tonight, new calipers, rotors, and pads.
>
> Still can't complain too much, at least until I retire in a couple years.
> Still have that 70 mile a day commute till then.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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My 2004 Golf reliably gets 45 to 48 mpg.  Rather low for that model, my brother 
routinely got 52 on the highway in his 05 Jetta.

I suspect the low profile tires (which I don't care for, but came with the car) 
and the bad struts up front aren't helping any.  Or the dragging rear brakes I 
really need to replace tonight, new calipers, rotors, and pads.

Still can't complain too much, at least until I retire in a couple years.  
Still have that 70 mile a day commute till then.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I have two actually. A 2014 Jetta 1.8 turbo (daughter drives it mostly) and a 
2014 Passat SEL TDI. 

BobR

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> 
> Inherited it from his daughter?
> Mitch
> 
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 10:19 am, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I didn't realize you had a VW.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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Inherited it from his daughter?
Mitch

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> I didn't realize you had a VW.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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I didn’t realize you had a VW.

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> On May 31, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> Took the 2014 Passat TDI out a couple weeks ago and drove up the mountain to 
> Sedona to get out of the heat. With four humans, AC on, automatic, up the 
> mountain managed 37.8mpg. Going home ( down the mountain) got 54.7mpg. 
> 
> Bob R
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>> On May 31, 2020, at 5:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Too bad its any auto, thats an NA 2.5l. Turbo in the 190D was '87 only.
>> As usual the seller is dreaming about 40mpg, my '85 2.2l 190D 5spd could 
>> just barely beat 40mpg if I drove slow, averaged around 38. With an auto the 
>> 2.2l dropped to 36 average, 38 best tank.
>> Oh, BTW I had to go into work the other day, the 2015 Jetta TDI did 62.8mpg 
>> on the way in  at not more than 60mph. The ride home was disappointing, it 
>> had gotten over 80F out, so I had the AC on. Only made 55mpg...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 10:10:47 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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Took the 2014 Passat TDI out a couple weeks ago and drove up the mountain to 
Sedona to get out of the heat. With four humans, AC on, automatic, up the 
mountain managed 37.8mpg. Going home ( down the mountain) got 54.7mpg. 

Bob R

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> On May 31, 2020, at 5:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Too bad its any auto, thats an NA 2.5l. Turbo in the 190D was '87 only.
> As usual the seller is dreaming about 40mpg, my '85 2.2l 190D 5spd could just 
> barely beat 40mpg if I drove slow, averaged around 38. With an auto the 2.2l 
> dropped to 36 average, 38 best tank.
> Oh, BTW I had to go into work the other day, the 2015 Jetta TDI did 62.8mpg 
> on the way in  at not more than 60mph. The ride home was disappointing, it 
> had gotten over 80F out, so I had the AC on. Only made 55mpg...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 10:10:47 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Mercedes-Benz-190D-D-2-5/124206295248?hash=item1ceb45a8d0:g:jCUAAOSwhIRe0u11
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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 Too bad its any auto, thats an NA 2.5l. Turbo in the 190D was '87 only.
As usual the seller is dreaming about 40mpg, my '85 2.2l 190D 5spd could just 
barely beat 40mpg if I drove slow, averaged around 38. With an auto the 2.2l 
dropped to 36 average, 38 best tank.
Oh, BTW I had to go into work the other day, the 2015 Jetta TDI did 62.8mpg on 
the way in  at not more than 60mph. The ride home was disappointing, it had 
gotten over 80F out, so I had the AC on. Only made 55mpg...

-Curt

On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 10:10:47 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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It did not look set off, just looked like the cover on the wheel was splitting 
to me. 

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> On May 30, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
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> 
> What did it hit to set off the air bag?
> Fred
> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But in a,w201 chassis? Might be quick?
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:35 PM Dwight Giles 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok i have never  driven an OM 602 NA
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
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>>> 
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 It’s not a turbo
 
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 wrote:
> 
> 
> Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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What did it hit to set off the air bag?
Fred

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> But in a,w201 chassis? Might be quick?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:35 PM Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
>
> > Ok i have never  driven an OM 602 NA
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It’s not a turbo
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On May 30, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Dwight Giles 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
> >> >
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> >> > Wickford RI
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> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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But in a,w201 chassis? Might be quick?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:35 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:

> Ok i have never  driven an OM 602 NA
>
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>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 10:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>
>> It’s not a turbo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On May 30, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Dwight Giles 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
>> >
>> > Dwight Giles Jr.
>> > Wickford RI
>> >
>> >> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok i have never  driven an OM 602 NA

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> It’s not a turbo
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 30, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
> >
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> > Wickford RI
> >
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

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It’s not a turbo 

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> 
> Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Might be good deal. OM602 turbo is,great powertrain.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

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That was my Dad’s Chrysler Cordoba. Silver exterior, maroon Corinthian leather 
and maroon “opera” top. Actually quite fetching at the time, or so I thought.

-D


> On Apr 17, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I despised the combination back in the mid 1970s when it showed up in 
> Chyslers.  Had a buddy with one, and a few years later a lady friend drove 
> one as well.  Just rubbed me the wrong way.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> *Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
>> combination was a killer.*
>> 
>> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
>> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
>>> That combination was a killer.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Clay via Mercedes]

I despised the combination back in the mid 1970s when it showed up in Chyslers. 
 Had a buddy with one, and a few years later a lady friend drove one as well.  
Just rubbed me the wrong way.

clay 

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> On Apr 16, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> *Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
> combination was a killer.*
> 
> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
>> That combination was a killer.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

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Actually i have been on some 201 rescue missions with both of them.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 4:35 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Fred is the 201 Meister.
>
> Bob R
>
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> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Groady color combo though...Besides Fred had more 201s than I did. His
> were all the good ones though. ;)
> > -Curt
> >
> >On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:28:43 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > A Curtmobile
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> *Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
> That
> >> combination was a killer.*
> >>
> >> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
> >> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early
> 90s.
> >>> That combination was a killer.
> >>>
> >>> Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
> 
>  1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
>  $1,200
>  Vehicles <
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/
> 
>  Listed 3 weeks ago in FL <
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/>
> 
> 
>  About This Vehicle…
> 
>  Driven 180,000 miles
>  Manual transmission
>  Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
>  Fuel type: Diesel
>  Good condition <
> https://www.facebook.com/business/help/979881538883930
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Fred is the 201 Meister. 

Bob R

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> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Groady color combo though...Besides Fred had more 201s than I did. His were 
> all the good ones though. ;)
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:28:43 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> A Curtmobile
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> *Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
>> combination was a killer.*
>> 
>> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
>> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
>>> That combination was a killer.
>>> 
>>> Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
 
 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
 $1,200
 Vehicles <
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/
 
 Listed 3 weeks ago in FL <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/>
 
 
 About This Vehicle…
 
 Driven 180,000 miles
 Manual transmission
 Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
 Fuel type: Diesel
 Good condition >> 
 
 
 Seller's description…
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Groady color combo though...Besides Fred had more 201s than I did. His were 
all the good ones though. ;)
-Curt

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:28:43 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 A Curtmobile
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> *Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
> combination was a killer.*
>
> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
> > That combination was a killer.
> >
> > Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
> > >
> > > 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> > > $1,200
> > > Vehicles <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/
> > >
> > > Listed 3 weeks ago in FL <
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/>
> > >
> > >
> > > About This Vehicle…
> > >
> > > Driven 180,000 miles
> > > Manual transmission
> > > Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> > > Fuel type: Diesel
> > > Good condition  >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seller's description…
> > >
> > > 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
> > >
> > > --
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Good for a toad. I’m learning all these fancy RV-er words. 

Bob R

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> On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Burned off paint but I love that interior. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
>> 
>> 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
>> $1,200
>> Vehicles 
>> Listed 3 weeks ago in FL 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> About This Vehicle…
>> 
>> Driven 180,000 miles
>> Manual transmission
>> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
>> Fuel type: Diesel
>> Good condition 
>> 
>> 
>> Seller's description…
>> 
>> 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Burned off paint but I love that interior. 

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> On Apr 16, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
> 
> 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> $1,200
> Vehicles 
> Listed 3 weeks ago in FL 
> 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 180,000 miles
> Manual transmission
> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> Fuel type: Diesel
> Good condition 
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

A Curtmobile
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> *Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
> combination was a killer.*
>
> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
> > That combination was a killer.
> >
> > Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
> > >
> > > 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> > > $1,200
> > > Vehicles <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/
> > >
> > > Listed 3 weeks ago in FL <
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/>
> > >
> > >
> > > About This Vehicle…
> > >
> > > Driven 180,000 miles
> > > Manual transmission
> > > Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> > > Fuel type: Diesel
> > > Good condition  >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seller's description…
> > >
> > > 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Tastes change.  Now Mercedes has a different shade of silver paint every
year.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:18 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> When I was working the Mannheim (PA) auction for a buddy who is a high
> line dealer I was actively searching for a nice 300E. At the time the
> combination of a maroon interior and silver exterior was not attractive to
> the luxury car buying public and these were cars the dealers would avoid at
> auction or pay a much lower price for.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
> combination was a killer.
> >
> > Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
> That combination was a killer.
> >
> > Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389 <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389>
> > >
> > > 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> > > $1,200
> > > Vehicles <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/ <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/>>
> > > Listed 3 weeks ago in FL <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/ <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/>>
> > >
> > >
> > > About This Vehicle…
> > >
> > > Driven 180,000 miles
> > > Manual transmission
> > > Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> > > Fuel type: Diesel
> > > Good condition  >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seller's description…
> > >
> > > 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When I was working the Mannheim (PA) auction for a buddy who is a high line 
dealer I was actively searching for a nice 300E. At the time the combination of 
a maroon interior and silver exterior was not attractive to the luxury car 
buying public and these were cars the dealers would avoid at auction or pay a 
much lower price for.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That 
> combination was a killer.
> 
> Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or 
> white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That 
> combination was a killer.
> 
> Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389 
> > 
> > 
> > 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> > $1,200
> > Vehicles  > >
> > Listed 3 weeks ago in FL 
> >  > >
> > 
> > 
> > About This Vehicle…
> > 
> > Driven 180,000 miles
> > Manual transmission
> > Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> > Fuel type: Diesel
> > Good condition  > >
> > 
> > 
> > Seller's description…
> > 
> > 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

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*Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That
combination was a killer.*

Meaning what?  I find it a lot more attractive than beige/beige or
white/palomino.  And when the car was new even more so.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s.
> That combination was a killer.
>
> Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
> >
> > 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> > $1,200
> > Vehicles  >
> > Listed 3 weeks ago in FL <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/104074486296063/>
> >
> >
> > About This Vehicle…
> >
> > Driven 180,000 miles
> > Manual transmission
> > Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> > Fuel type: Diesel
> > Good condition 
> >
> >
> > Seller's description…
> >
> > 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wow! Silver with a maroon interior - the kiss of death in the early 90s. That 
combination was a killer.

Probably worth $1200 for the parts, especially the transmission.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219292062763389
> 
> 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
> $1,200
> Vehicles 
> Listed 3 weeks ago in FL 
> 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 180,000 miles
> Manual transmission
> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
> Fuel type: Diesel
> Good condition 
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> 190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title
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[MBZ] 190D 5spd

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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1984 Mercedes-Benz 190 d
$1,200
Vehicles 
Listed 3 weeks ago in FL 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 180,000 miles
Manual transmission
Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red
Fuel type: Diesel
Good condition 


 Seller's description…

190 D diesel five-speed runs I have title

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[MBZ] 190D ran when parked

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Re: [MBZ] 190D update

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When pounding my fist on the dash would no longer bring back the gauge in my 
1980 Citation, I just started filling it every 300 miles. No trip meter, so I 
had to gas it up at 207200, 207500, erc.
It worked for me for the last couple of years of the car's life until the 
transmission broke a shift fork and the car wasn't worth a $70 part, let alone 
a weekend's work to replace it.
Mitch. 


> On September 29, 2019 at 8:08 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You could just fill it every time it drops to empty - you'd never run out,
> since you'd have about half a tank. We fill at half a tank, just on
> principle to keep water in the tank to a minimum, and "you'll never run out
> if you consider ½ tank as empty.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D update

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You could just fill it every time it drops to empty - you'd never run out,
since you'd have about half a tank. We fill at half a tank, just on
principle to keep water in the tank to a minimum, and "you'll never run out
if you consider ½ tank as empty.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:20 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I fiddled with the 190D a little today.  I pulled the fuel tank sender
> again since it was showing empty.  It appears it reads correct till it
> gets to half way then drops all the way down.  I do no really know what
> else to do with it.  I tried the other one and it reads empty all the
> time no matter where the float is.  I guess my only thing left to do is
> find a good used one or buy a new one.
>
> I checked the resistance of the evap temps sensor directly from its plug
> behind the battery and the measurements are off, so I guess I will just
> replace it then maybe the compressor will not run constantly.
>
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[MBZ] 190D update

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I fiddled with the 190D a little today.  I pulled the fuel tank sender 
again since it was showing empty.  It appears it reads correct till it 
gets to half way then drops all the way down.  I do no really know what 
else to do with it.  I tried the other one and it reads empty all the 
time no matter where the float is.  I guess my only thing left to do is 
find a good used one or buy a new one.


I checked the resistance of the evap temps sensor directly from its plug 
behind the battery and the measurements are off, so I guess I will just 
replace it then maybe the compressor will not run constantly.



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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Those things wear out?
>

Of course.  They can break, too.  I've had to replace a couple.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Those things wear out?

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> On Sep 14, 2019, at 8:33 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> If the speedo needle doesn't behave perfectly, there's no way the cruise 
> control will.
> You might need a new drive cable.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If the speedo needle doesn't behave perfectly, there's no way the cruise
control will.
You might need a new drive cable.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I will triple check that. 

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> On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:55 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 82 300 SD did something similar which (I believe) was a poor connection 
> for the speed sense signal on the back of the speedo.  Wacking the dash would 
> make it come and go.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 3:20 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue
>> 
>> On the way home it seems to work better but sometimes felt slight surging
>> followed by it cutting out. If I hit resume it would kick back in. I also 
>> notice the
>> Speedo needle flickering. It is cable driven so not sure what that is about. 
>> I am
>> attaching a short video so hopefully it come thru. I am not sure if that has
>> anything to do with it or not. It seemed after a while it seemed to work fine
>> with no surging but if I hit a bump it could cut out. Hit resume and it 
>> resumed
>> set speed.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My 82 300 SD did something similar which (I believe) was a poor connection for 
the speed sense signal on the back of the speedo.  Wacking the dash would make 
it come and go.

> -Original Message-
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> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue
> 
> On the way home it seems to work better but sometimes felt slight surging
> followed by it cutting out. If I hit resume it would kick back in. I also 
> notice the
> Speedo needle flickering. It is cable driven so not sure what that is about. 
> I am
> attaching a short video so hopefully it come thru. I am not sure if that has
> anything to do with it or not. It seemed after a while it seemed to work fine
> with no surging but if I hit a bump it could cut out. Hit resume and it 
> resumed
> set speed.



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[MBZ] 190D fuel gauge

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The tank sender on the 190D was stuck so I pulled it out and cleaned it 
up as best as I could.  I put it back in and it worked when tank was 
full, but jumped around sometimes.  Now the tank has about 260 miles on 
it so I figure it is at about the half mark. It was jumping around and 
would drop all the way to the bottom, then come back to where the level 
should be.  For the last 40 miles or so it is just completely dead.  
Should I pull the sender out and try to clean it some more, or spend the 
money on a new one?  Or some other issue?



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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Depends on the exact thermistor and application, but usually on the order of 
hundreds to thousands of ohms.  Should vary with temp, too, quite a bit.

I don't remember if they are positive or negative gradient, but either an open 
or a short is bad -- either it's reading infinitely hot or infinitely cold
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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Any idea what the values should be?

On 9/13/2019 5:04 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Check the resistance of the sensor, they are all thermistors.  Also check for 
continuity.  If you have access to a wiring diagram, you should be able to pull 
a connector on the PBCU and test the appropriate pins on the connector.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check the resistance of the sensor, they are all thermistors.  Also check for 
continuity.  If you have access to a wiring diagram, you should be able to pull 
a connector on the PBCU and test the appropriate pins on the connector.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:20:25 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On the way home it seems to work better but sometimes felt slight
> surging followed by it cutting out. If I hit resume it would kick back
> in. I also notice the Speedo needle flickering. It is cable driven so
> not sure what that is about.

If the needle flickers, the rotational speed of the cable is not constant.

If the rotation speed of the cable is not constant, it will be as if the
vehicle was changing speeds instantaneously -- something it would be very
difficult for the cruise control to follow.

I would first get the cable/speedometer working properly before trying to
see if the cruise control works properly.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I forgot to mention, when I tested the actuator that was on the car it seemed 
to pass, but I went ahead and swapped it with another one that always passed 
but that did not fix the original problem so I then replaced the amp. I will 
probably swap back to the original actuator and see what happens 

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> On Sep 13, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> On the way home it seems to work better but sometimes felt slight surging 
> followed by it cutting out. If I hit resume it would kick back in. I also 
> notice the Speedo needle flickering. It is cable driven so not sure what that 
> is about. I am attaching a short video so hopefully it come thru. I am not 
> sure if that has anything to do with it or not. It seemed after a while it 
> seemed to work fine with no surging but if I hit a bump it could cut out. Hit 
> resume and it resumed set speed. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday with the brand new rebuild programa cruise control amp cruise 
>> worked perfectly. Toward the end of the day I did notice some slight 
>> surging. Today set speed and it surged bad then cut out. When holding accel 
>> up it sometimes accelerated normal most times surged while accelerating. 
>> Before I replaced the amp I went thru the tests for the actuator and it was 
>> fine. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:15:11 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yesterday with the brand new rebuild programa cruise control amp cruise
> worked perfectly. Toward the end of the day I did notice some slight
> surging. Today set speed and it surged bad then cut out. When holding
> accel up it sometimes accelerated normal most times surged while
> accelerating. Before I replaced the amp I went thru the tests for the
> actuator and it was fine. 

What does Programa say about this?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well problem not solved. It is current 74 and when driving down the highway it 
after about 10 minutes the fog starts followed by snow flakes then freezing up. 
It literally feels like sitting in front of a deep freeze. Compressor still 
appears to not be cycling. Is there a way I can test the evap temp sensor? 
Maybe the wiring repair was not successful so maybe I can test it at the 
connector to see. Otherwise would it be something in the relay or the pbu that 
is not cycling the compressor? I suppose I can also recover the refrigerant and 
charge it again but I do not think that is the problem. If a low charge was 
causing it to freeze up the evap sensor should be cutting the compressor off I 
would think. 

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> On Sep 12, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think so but it’s possible. I would think the compressor should cycle 
> though. Anyway I think I found the problem. I took everything apart to 
> replace a squeaky blower motor. I had repaired some wires back behind the 
> battery that were mouse damaged. I noticed the wiring to the evap temp sensor 
> were chewed on. I could not tell if they were completely chewed but looked 
> bad so I repaired it. I’m betting that was the problem but will know tomorrow 
> when I drive it to Tulsa. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 6:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Isn't that a sign of not enough gas?
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:33 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So I replaced the manifold hose assembly, new drier, converted to 134 and
>>> pulled vacuum for 1 hour before charging. AC blow great, super cold. Once
>>> you are driving it blows ice cubes, literally. So after about 15-20 minutes
>>> the evaporator is basically freezing up. You will start getting fog blowing
>>> out the vents followed by snow, then loss of airflow. If I put it in ec
>>> mode for a few minutes it thaws out then is fine again. This issue seems to
>>> be the compressor is constantly running, it does not cycle off and on. The
>>> PBU that was in the car had a programa rebuilt sticker and the snow flake
>>> button did not turn the compressor on at all but the top button did that is
>>> supposed to be for dehumify and runs compressor constantly. The snow flake
>>> button is supposed to be normal mode that cycles compressor. I swapped in a
>>> different PBU and the compressor kicks on with the snow flake button but
>>> stays running all the time. Could this be something in the PBu? Or the
>>> kooks relay? Or maybe a sensor? These 201 systems are a little different
>>> from other systems MB used.
>>> 
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>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
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>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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[MBZ] 190D new cruise control issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yesterday with the brand new rebuild programa cruise control amp cruise worked 
perfectly. Toward the end of the day I did notice some slight surging. Today 
set speed and it surged bad then cut out. When holding accel up it sometimes 
accelerated normal most times surged while accelerating. Before I replaced the 
amp I went thru the tests for the actuator and it was fine. 

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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

A bad evaporator temp sensor is what I would have suggested.  It's there to cut 
the compressor off when the evaporator is too cold, and those are your 
symptoms.  Check to make sure the sensor is in the correct position, too.  
Don't know where it is on the W201, but on the W124 it's above the driver's 
foot, inside.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I don’t think so but it’s possible. I would think the compressor should cycle 
though. Anyway I think I found the problem. I took everything apart to replace 
a squeaky blower motor. I had repaired some wires back behind the battery that 
were mouse damaged. I noticed the wiring to the evap temp sensor were chewed 
on. I could not tell if they were completely chewed but looked bad so I 
repaired it. I’m betting that was the problem but will know tomorrow when I 
drive it to Tulsa. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 6:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn't that a sign of not enough gas?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:33 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> So I replaced the manifold hose assembly, new drier, converted to 134 and
>> pulled vacuum for 1 hour before charging. AC blow great, super cold. Once
>> you are driving it blows ice cubes, literally. So after about 15-20 minutes
>> the evaporator is basically freezing up. You will start getting fog blowing
>> out the vents followed by snow, then loss of airflow. If I put it in ec
>> mode for a few minutes it thaws out then is fine again. This issue seems to
>> be the compressor is constantly running, it does not cycle off and on. The
>> PBU that was in the car had a programa rebuilt sticker and the snow flake
>> button did not turn the compressor on at all but the top button did that is
>> supposed to be for dehumify and runs compressor constantly. The snow flake
>> button is supposed to be normal mode that cycles compressor. I swapped in a
>> different PBU and the compressor kicks on with the snow flake button but
>> stays running all the time. Could this be something in the PBu? Or the
>> kooks relay? Or maybe a sensor? These 201 systems are a little different
>> from other systems MB used.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D AC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Isn't that a sign of not enough gas?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:33 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So I replaced the manifold hose assembly, new drier, converted to 134 and
> pulled vacuum for 1 hour before charging. AC blow great, super cold. Once
> you are driving it blows ice cubes, literally. So after about 15-20 minutes
> the evaporator is basically freezing up. You will start getting fog blowing
> out the vents followed by snow, then loss of airflow. If I put it in ec
> mode for a few minutes it thaws out then is fine again. This issue seems to
> be the compressor is constantly running, it does not cycle off and on. The
> PBU that was in the car had a programa rebuilt sticker and the snow flake
> button did not turn the compressor on at all but the top button did that is
> supposed to be for dehumify and runs compressor constantly. The snow flake
> button is supposed to be normal mode that cycles compressor. I swapped in a
> different PBU and the compressor kicks on with the snow flake button but
> stays running all the time. Could this be something in the PBu? Or the
> kooks relay? Or maybe a sensor? These 201 systems are a little different
> from other systems MB used.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] 190D AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So I replaced the manifold hose assembly, new drier, converted to 134 and 
pulled vacuum for 1 hour before charging. AC blow great, super cold. Once you 
are driving it blows ice cubes, literally. So after about 15-20 minutes the 
evaporator is basically freezing up. You will start getting fog blowing out the 
vents followed by snow, then loss of airflow. If I put it in ec mode for a few 
minutes it thaws out then is fine again. This issue seems to be the compressor 
is constantly running, it does not cycle off and on. The PBU that was in the 
car had a programa rebuilt sticker and the snow flake button did not turn the 
compressor on at all but the top button did that is supposed to be for dehumify 
and runs compressor constantly. The snow flake button is supposed to be normal 
mode that cycles compressor. I swapped in a different PBU and the compressor 
kicks on with the snow flake button but stays running all the time. Could this 
be something in the PBu? Or the kooks relay? Or maybe a sensor? These 201 
systems are a little different from other systems MB used. 

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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control fixed

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I was not sure about them because the last one I bought from them for a 95 e300 
died. Not sure how long it was in use but maybe a 2-3 years. 

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> Those rebuilt units from Programa are bulletproof. I've bought several of 
> them and they have never failed over the years.
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 8:06 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> The cruise control on the 190D is now working perfectly.  A rebuilt 
>> Programa unit fixed it.  I am probably going to give up trying to 
>> rebuild these.  From now on I will probably send them out to that James 
>> Dean guy.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control fixed

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Those rebuilt units from Programa are bulletproof. I've bought several of
them and they have never failed over the years.

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> The cruise control on the 190D is now working perfectly.  A rebuilt
> Programa unit fixed it.  I am probably going to give up trying to
> rebuild these.  From now on I will probably send them out to that James
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[MBZ] 190D cruise control fixed

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The cruise control on the 190D is now working perfectly.  A rebuilt 
Programa unit fixed it.  I am probably going to give up trying to 
rebuild these.  From now on I will probably send them out to that James 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2019 7:49 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have already done that and rechecked everything and not sure what else I 
could do. There is one trace I am not sure about. I will see if I can get a 
photo of it.



Send it along to Jim with a decent cash contribution and hope for the best.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

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>
> > I think you need to re-resolder it.
> I have already done that and rechecked everything and not sure what else I
> could do.
>

I believe my record is four times.  The component leads can oxidize such
that the solder
doesn't want to stick very well.  In such cases I do a lot of rubbing with
the hot tip of the
iron.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have already done that and rechecked everything and not sure what else I 
could do. There is one trace I am not sure about. I will see if I can get a 
photo of it. 

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> I think you need to re-resolder it.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

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I think you need to re-resolder it.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D rebuilt cruise

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Gotta love that conformal coating. Yum.

-D


> On Sep 8, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is the front and back of the one I rebuilt that works for a minute then 
> starts loosing speed. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise

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You should send your one for rebuild to the guy that was on BW. I’ll see if I 
can dig up his info. He rebuilt the cruise amp for the 350SDL in a couple of 
days and it worked great, I think it was only about $75 plus shipping.

-D


> On Sep 8, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ran thru the tests of the actuator today and it passed but the ohms were 
> near the high limit on the motor test. I tested another one and it passed as 
> well but the ohms on the motor test were much lower. I went ahead and swapped 
> it out and it still does the same thing. In then pulled the amp out of my 
> other 190D and it is a different part number. It has a white connector end 
> and is part number 0035458632. The amp that was in the car that I rebuilt is 
> part number 0025458232 and has a green end. After looking at the epc both 
> part numbers are correct. The 003 is an updated version.  Programa has a 
> rebuilt for $119. I am about to just go that route.
> 
> This is a photo of the one I pulled out of my other 190d. It appears to have 
> a couple of damaged traces. Can these be repaired?   I will send a separate 
> email with the one I rebuilt. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

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On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 21:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I just went thru the board again.  I found a couple of points that I 
> redid that were light on the solder.  I also found a spot where some 
> loose solder flakes might have potentially been connecting 2 points.  I 
> double checked to make sure I had the polarity correct on the caps.
> 
> Tomorrow I am going to run thru the test procedure for the actuator
> then give it another shot.  I might just start sending the things to
> that dude on peach parts that fixes them.  I would not be such a big
> deal if I could just replace the caps and it be fixed, but often times
> you have to go thru the entire board which is a pain in the ass.

Or you could sent the board to me (or maybe Jim if he agrees) to have a
look at it and resolder the joints.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I just went thru the board again.  I found a couple of points that I 
redid that were light on the solder.  I also found a spot where some 
loose solder flakes might have potentially been connecting 2 points.  I 
double checked to make sure I had the polarity correct on the caps.


Tomorrow I am going to run thru the test procedure for the actuator then 
give it another shot.  I might just start sending the things to that 
dude on peach parts that fixes them.  I would not be such a big deal if 
I could just replace the caps and it be fixed, but often times you have 
to go thru the entire board which is a pain in the ass.


On 9/7/2019 9:09 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

How confident are you that you did a good job the first time?  Maybe take
some pix front of board and back, put them up on Google Drive or someplace
where Craig and Jim can take a look and give you a grade for your work so
far.

If you think you could do better, take another crack at it.  Kinda depends
on how much time you want to sink into it.
-
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As in maybe I need to go back thru and check all the solder joints again?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Your amplifier board still has issues.
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On September 7, 2019 5:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem
to be doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed
longer then eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing.
I checked the input signals from the stock and they all check out.

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 wrote:

The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap.
Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't

begin to know.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

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How confident are you that you did a good job the first time?  Maybe take
some pix front of board and back, put them up on Google Drive or someplace
where Craig and Jim can take a look and give you a grade for your work so
far.

If you think you could do better, take another crack at it.  Kinda depends
on how much time you want to sink into it.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> As in maybe I need to go back thru and check all the solder joints again?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Your amplifier board still has issues.
> > --
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> >
> >> On September 7, 2019 5:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem
> >> to be doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed
> >> longer then eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing.
> >> I checked the input signals from the stock and they all check out.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap.
> >>> Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't
> >> begin to know.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I ordered them from mouser back in July of 17.

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> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> How "new" were all the caps? I have some "new" caps that are over 30 years
> old now ...
> 
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:39 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> As in maybe I need to go back thru and check all the solder joints again?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your amplifier board still has issues.
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>>> 
 On September 7, 2019 5:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem
 to be doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed
 longer then eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing.
 I checked the input signals from the stock and they all check out.
 
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> 
> The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap.
> Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't
 begin to know.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[OK Don via Mercedes]

How "new" were all the caps? I have some "new" caps that are over 30 years
old now ...

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:39 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> As in maybe I need to go back thru and check all the solder joints again?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Your amplifier board still has issues.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >> On September 7, 2019 5:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem
> >> to be doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed
> >> longer then eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing.
> >> I checked the input signals from the stock and they all check out.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap.
> >>> Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't
> >> begin to know.
> >>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

As in maybe I need to go back thru and check all the solder joints again?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> Your amplifier board still has issues. 
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> 
>> On September 7, 2019 5:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem
>> to be doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed
>> longer then eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing.
>> I checked the input signals from the stock and they all check out. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap. 
>>> Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't
>> begin to know. 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

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Your amplifier board still has issues. 
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On September 7, 2019 5:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem
>to be doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed
>longer then eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing.
>I checked the input signals from the stock and they all check out. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap. 
>> Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't
>begin to know. 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I took it for a longer drive probably 15 miles or so and it does seem to be 
doing as described. Sometimes it does seem like it holds speed longer then 
eventually starts to drop. Accelerate seems to do nothing. I checked the input 
signals from the stock and they all check out. 

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> The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap. 
> Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't begin to 
> know. 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The sinking speed sure sounds like a leaking speed reference cap. 
Whether the cap is leaking or something is draining it, I wouldn't begin to 
know. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would make sure the stalk has been cleaned well, that is, the switch part.

If the connection in the stalk switch is intermittent it can cause some weird 
stuff.

-D


> On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I am sorting out this 190D and one of the issues was dead cruise control.  
> When I first got it cruise was completely dead.  I pulled the amp and 
> replaced the caps.  It would engage sometimes and will hold for a minute or 
> so then would drop out.  I pulled the amp again and replaced the solder on 
> every joint.  In the mean time I also pulled the instrument cluster to 
> replace the fuel/oil/temp gauge.  When I put it back together the cruise does 
> not work at all.  I pulled the cluster again and swapped the speed sensor in 
> the cluster with a different one.
> 
> Took car out again and it seemed to be working perfectly for a minute.  If I 
> get the car up to, say, 65 and set the cruise while in 5th gear, it holds 
> that speed fine.  After about a minute or so it starts to lose speed 
> gradually.  I can tell the cruise is still engages its like the set speed 
> just keeps going down.  After the cruise is engaged if I push the stock up to 
> increase speed, it does not increase, it almost acts like the cruise is 
> disengaged until I let go of it then it engages again at whatever speed it 
> dropped to.  If I push it forward to cancel, then pull it back to reengage it 
> does not go back to the previously set speed.  It seems to engage and 
> whatever speed it dropped to and will hold there then start dropping.
> 
> When I was on our street car was at about 50 in 4th gear and it seemed to 
> hold fine there.  I really need to drive it some more and play with it to get 
> a better idea of its behavior but this is my initial assessment.  Any ideas?
> 
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[MBZ] 190D cruise control strangeness

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am sorting out this 190D and one of the issues was dead cruise 
control.  When I first got it cruise was completely dead.  I pulled the 
amp and replaced the caps.  It would engage sometimes and will hold for 
a minute or so then would drop out.  I pulled the amp again and replaced 
the solder on every joint.  In the mean time I also pulled the 
instrument cluster to replace the fuel/oil/temp gauge.  When I put it 
back together the cruise does not work at all.  I pulled the cluster 
again and swapped the speed sensor in the cluster with a different one.


Took car out again and it seemed to be working perfectly for a minute.  
If I get the car up to, say, 65 and set the cruise while in 5th gear, it 
holds that speed fine.  After about a minute or so it starts to lose 
speed gradually.  I can tell the cruise is still engages its like the 
set speed just keeps going down.  After the cruise is engaged if I push 
the stock up to increase speed, it does not increase, it almost acts 
like the cruise is disengaged until I let go of it then it engages again 
at whatever speed it dropped to.  If I push it forward to cancel, then 
pull it back to reengage it does not go back to the previously set 
speed.  It seems to engage and whatever speed it dropped to and will 
hold there then start dropping.


When I was on our street car was at about 50 in 4th gear and it seemed 
to hold fine there.  I really need to drive it some more and play with 
it to get a better idea of its behavior but this is my initial 
assessment.  Any ideas?



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[MBZ] 190D update

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Today I pulled the instrument cluster because the PO had replaced the 
fuel temp oil gauge with one out of a gasser, so I put the correct one 
in.  Took car to town to fill it up with fresh diesel and to see if fuel 
gauge works, it doesn't. I guess I need to pull the sending unit and 
clean it.


The cruise control appears to be completely dead again.  I double 
checked to make sure I got the plug back on the speed sensor on the back 
of the cluster, and I did so I brought the amp back in the house and 
will redo all of the solder.



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Re: [MBZ] 190D

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:00 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My son just replaced the radiator in the 1986 190D yesterday.
> Just under $200 from RockAuto.  Nissens.  Job was fairly straightforward.
> 
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[MBZ] 190D

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My son just replaced the radiator in the 1986 190D yesterday.
Just under $200 from RockAuto.  Nissens.  Job was fairly straightforward.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Oh, it's not that bad.  Dash R takes about a day or two.  Dave M. can do
it in half a day.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:03 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> As i thought. Like,124's
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Sep 5, 2018 10:00 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > At the factory, they slap a heater(HVAC) unit on a sled, then assemble
> the
> > rest of the car around it.  Removal is the reverse...And then you get
> > to try to put it all back together again.  I like 110/111 cars for this
> > reason.  They were not built on a sled.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

As i thought. Like,124's

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 5, 2018 10:00 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> At the factory, they slap a heater(HVAC) unit on a sled, then assemble the
> rest of the car around it.  Removal is the reverse...And then you get
> to try to put it all back together again.  I like 110/111 cars for this
> reason.  They were not built on a sled.
>
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Cost is the same as an evaporator, it's in the same box and I don't think
>> you can take it out the front (although I have a dim memory that it may be
>> possible on the W201 chassis).
>>
>> Typical problem is leaking 0-rings on the header seal, and corrosion from
>> using the wrong coolant is always possible.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

At the factory, they slap a heater(HVAC) unit on a sled, then assemble 
the rest of the car around it.  Removal is the reverse...And then 
you get to try to put it all back together again.  I like 110/111 cars 
for this reason.  They were not built on a sled.


Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Cost is the same as an evaporator, it's in the same box and I don't think you 
can take it out the front (although I have a dim memory that it may be possible 
on the W201 chassis).

Typical problem is leaking 0-rings on the header seal, and corrosion from using 
the wrong coolant is always possible.




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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 2, 2018 at 12:39 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> How do you break a heater core?  What is the cost to r/r?

I guess it's not unheard of in W201.
About ten years ago, when there was a 190D(t) on eBay about two miles from my 
home, it had Bars Leak in the radiator. "My father in law put that in there, 
said the heater core leaked". 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

DK. Seller said his mechanic said it needed one.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 2, 2018 12:39 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

How do you break a heater core?  What is the cost to r/r?

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 10:47 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A local guy has a,1986 190D 185k miles,  repainted. (Creamy yellow) needs
> heater core. I have seen but not driven car. If interested  send me message
> to forward to owner.
>
> No interest etc etc.
>
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> 2005 E320 4matic
> 1979 240D- RIP
> 1978 240D- now in Maine
> 1990 300D 2.5t friend  still  driving
> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks, Peter.  I am so grateful for the dependability of my W123 wagon,
now with 365 k miles (drive train is considerably less traveled).

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:48 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> Cost is the same as an evaporator, it's in the same box and I don't think
> you can take it out the front (although I have a dim memory that it may be
> possible on the W201 chassis).
>
> Typical problem is leaking 0-rings on the header seal, and corrosion from
> using the wrong coolant is always possible.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Cost is the same as an evaporator, it's in the same box and I don't think you 
can take it out the front (although I have a dim memory that it may be possible 
on the W201 chassis).

Typical problem is leaking 0-rings on the header seal, and corrosion from using 
the wrong coolant is always possible.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How do you break a heater core?  What is the cost to r/r?

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 10:47 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A local guy has a,1986 190D 185k miles,  repainted. (Creamy yellow) needs
> heater core. I have seen but not driven car. If interested  send me message
> to forward to owner.
>
> No interest etc etc.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4matic
> 1979 240D- RIP
> 1978 240D- now in Maine
> 1990 300D 2.5t friend  still  driving
> Wickford RI
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[MBZ] 190D for sale

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

A local guy has a,1986 190D 185k miles,  repainted. (Creamy yellow) needs
heater core. I have seen but not driven car. If interested  send me message
to forward to owner.

No interest etc etc.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
1979 240D- RIP
1978 240D- now in Maine
1990 300D 2.5t friend  still  driving
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 190D turbo on CL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ideal candidate to donate to Karz for Kidz.

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> This may be the one that was on eBay ten years ago with a bad B2.
> It's the same color anyway.
> If it is the one I looked at back then, the euro lamps and awful wheels
> were added since I saw it.
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[MBZ] 190D turbo on CL

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This may be the one that was on eBay ten years ago with a bad B2.
It's the same color anyway.
If it is the one I looked at back then, the euro lamps and awful wheels were 
added since I saw it.

https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benzdt-turbo/6629017504.html

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Re: [MBZ] 190D clutch pedal switch, cruise control

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 19:56:47 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I discovered a switch on the clutch pedal that the top part of the
> switch had detached itself from the plunger part of the switch.

I had to add that switch to the '82 240D/3.0 when I converted it from
automatic to manual transmission.

As Jim said, it cuts out the cruise control when you push the clutch in.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 190D clutch pedal switch, cruise control

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Yes, there's a clutch disengagement switch.  Obviously it needs to be in
good condition,
else either you won't have any cruise, or it won't disengage and will
redline the engine
when you push in the clutch, trying to compensate for the car slowing down.

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[MBZ] 190D clutch pedal switch, cruise control

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I removed the drivers side under dash cover to hunt for the cruise 
control amp since the cruise control does not work, does not engage at 
all. I then discovered its mounted under a cover under the passenger 
side carpet.  I sure wish the other models had it here.  Anyway. when I 
pulled the under dash cover, I discovered a switch on the clutch pedal 
that the top part of the switch had detached itself from the plunger 
part of the switch. So the 2 prong harness from the car plugs into the 
plastic part of the switch.  The plastic part of the switch was just 
hanging loose so I don't think anything in the switch is contacting.  So 
what does this switch do?  I am thinking it disconnects the cruise 
control when the pedal is pushed in?  If this is the case, if the switch 
is fubar, maybe that would explain why the cruise is not working? Or 
would this just cause it to not kick the cruise out when the pedal is 
pushed?  I have already pulled the amp apart in prep to replace the caps 
etc, but I think if this switch is part of the system I should replace 
it first then test the cruise again.



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