[MBZ] 87 300SDL in Charlotte LKQ

[Jack Crone via Mercedes]

As some of yall may have seen there is an 87 300sdl in the Charlotte LKQ. I
went last weekend to attempt to pull the head but I didnt manage to get it
off, I think I missed a bolt or something. Either way, it has a 14 head and
has a fresh radiator so I suspect it maybe cracked but I could be mistaken.
Anyways, hopefully someone might make use of it.
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In the fuse business, more is not better.  You should use the 80 amp 
fuses.   If the 80 amp blows, youhave a problem.  fix the problem, then 
replace the fuse.   I always try to have 2 appropriate fuses in a 
plastic bag in the glove box of each car.   Once you know about the glow 
relay fuse,it is dumb to be stranded for lack of a 50¢ part that takes 
up almost no space.
(Disintegration from age (Oxidation) and heat cycles is a different 
problem.)


Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote on 8/2/19 4:56 AM:

I checked my strips using a magnifying glass and the amp. says 80.  I have
ordered already for 2 to be shipped and they are 100 A.  Wouldn't those be
better; a bit stronger?  Or could that cause problems?  They are cheap
enough to have to re-order.
I used a heavy wire as a jumper, but not planning on using the car 'till
the new ones arrive.

Thanks for all the advice.

Ralph





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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The fuse is there to protect the wires - it's supposed to melt  before the
wires can start a fire. Use the proper fuse ...

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 4:57 AM Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I checked my strips using a magnifying glass and the amp. says 80.  I have
> ordered already for 2 to be shipped and they are 100 A.  Wouldn't those be
> better; a bit stronger?  Or could that cause problems?  They are cheap
> enough to have to re-order.
> I used a heavy wire as a jumper, but not planning on using the car 'till
> the new ones arrive.
>
> Thanks for all the advice.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There are a bunch of different amperages available. The rating is stamped
> > in the center of the fuse strip as I recall.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
> > > --
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage
> > >> on both cars is the same.
> > >>
> > >> --FT
> > >> Sent from iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84
> > >> 300CD,
> > >>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come
> > >> in
> > >>> handy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ralph
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Ralph,
> > 
> >  As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split
> > >> in
> >  many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal
> > >> cycling
> >  causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not
> > >> easy to
> >  see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws
> > >> and
> >  when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
> > 
> >  It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy
> > >> a
> >  replacement, get tow or three.
> > 
> >  -D
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it
> > >> and it
> > > fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came
> > >> on.
> >  Made
> > > my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5
> > >> seconds
> > > and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> > >
> > > Ralph
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
> > >> front
> >  wheel
> > >> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the
> > >> GPs
> >  or
> > >> just change it, they’re like $2.
> > >>
> > >> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then
> > >> jump
> >  the
> > >> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
> > >> relay and
> > >> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would
> > >> get
> > >> power to the GPs if it is not working.
> > >>
> > >> --FT
> > >> Sent from iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did
> > >> not
> >  come
> > >> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm
> > >> day and
> > >> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!
> > >> Looked in
> >  the
> > >> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where
> > >> would I
> > >> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
> > >> with glow
> > >> plugs, or injectors.
> > >>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 IIRC VW also used 80a strip fuses. A local dealer might have them in stock...
-Curt

On Friday, August 2, 2019, 8:06:05 AM EDT, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Bigger is not better with fuses, order two or three 80 amp.

If the fuse is too big, that can lead to melted wires and worse.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 2, 2019 5:56:05 AM EDT, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I checked my strips using a magnifying glass and the amp. says 80.  I
>have
>ordered already for 2 to be shipped and they are 100 A.  Wouldn't those
>be
>better; a bit stronger?  Or could that cause problems?  They are cheap
>enough to have to re-order.
>I used a heavy wire as a jumper, but not planning on using the car
>'till
>the new ones arrive.
>
>Thanks for all the advice.
>
>Ralph
>
>On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> There are a bunch of different amperages available. The rating is
>stamped
>> in the center of the fuse strip as I recall.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
>> > --
>> > Max Dillon
>> > Charleston SC
>> >
>> > On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the
>amperage
>> >> on both cars is the same.
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an
>'84
>> >> 300CD,
>> >>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will
>come
>> >> in
>> >>> handy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ralph
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Ralph,
>> 
>>  As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply
>split
>> >> in
>>  many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this
>thermal
>> >> cycling
>>  causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s
>not
>> >> easy to
>>  see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the
>screws
>> >> and
>>  when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
>> 
>>  It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you
>buy
>> >> a
>>  replacement, get tow or three.
>> 
>>  -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched
>it
>> >> and it
>> > fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light
>came
>> >> on.
>>  Made
>> > my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for
>4-5
>> >> seconds
>> > and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
>> >
>> > Ralph
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
>> >> front
>>  wheel
>> >> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to
>the
>> >> GPs
>>  or
>> >> just change it, they’re like $2.
>> >>
>> >> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good
>then
>> >> jump
>>  the
>> >> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
>> >> relay and
>> >> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that
>would
>> >> get
>> >> power to the GPs if it is not working.
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light
>did
>> >> not
>>  come
>> >> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very
>warm
>> >> day and
>> >> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!
>> >> Looked in
>>  the
>> >> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs. 
>Where
>> >> would I
>> >> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
>> >> with glow
>> >> plugs, or injectors.
>> >>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
>> >>> ___
>> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> >>>
>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> >>>
>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bigger is not better with fuses, order two or three 80 amp.

If the fuse is too big, that can lead to melted wires and worse.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 2, 2019 5:56:05 AM EDT, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I checked my strips using a magnifying glass and the amp. says 80.  I
>have
>ordered already for 2 to be shipped and they are 100 A.  Wouldn't those
>be
>better; a bit stronger?  Or could that cause problems?  They are cheap
>enough to have to re-order.
>I used a heavy wire as a jumper, but not planning on using the car
>'till
>the new ones arrive.
>
>Thanks for all the advice.
>
>Ralph
>
>On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> There are a bunch of different amperages available. The rating is
>stamped
>> in the center of the fuse strip as I recall.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
>> > --
>> > Max Dillon
>> > Charleston SC
>> >
>> > On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the
>amperage
>> >> on both cars is the same.
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an
>'84
>> >> 300CD,
>> >>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will
>come
>> >> in
>> >>> handy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ralph
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Ralph,
>> 
>>  As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply
>split
>> >> in
>>  many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this
>thermal
>> >> cycling
>>  causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s
>not
>> >> easy to
>>  see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the
>screws
>> >> and
>>  when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
>> 
>>  It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you
>buy
>> >> a
>>  replacement, get tow or three.
>> 
>>  -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched
>it
>> >> and it
>> > fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light
>came
>> >> on.
>>  Made
>> > my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for
>4-5
>> >> seconds
>> > and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
>> >
>> > Ralph
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
>> >> front
>>  wheel
>> >> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to
>the
>> >> GPs
>>  or
>> >> just change it, they’re like $2.
>> >>
>> >> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good
>then
>> >> jump
>>  the
>> >> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
>> >> relay and
>> >> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that
>would
>> >> get
>> >> power to the GPs if it is not working.
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light
>did
>> >> not
>>  come
>> >> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very
>warm
>> >> day and
>> >> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!
>> >> Looked in
>>  the
>> >> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs. 
>Where
>> >> would I
>> >> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
>> >> with glow
>> >> plugs, or injectors.
>> >>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
>> >>> ___
>> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> >>>
>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> >>>
>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> 

Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

I checked my strips using a magnifying glass and the amp. says 80.  I have
ordered already for 2 to be shipped and they are 100 A.  Wouldn't those be
better; a bit stronger?  Or could that cause problems?  They are cheap
enough to have to re-order.
I used a heavy wire as a jumper, but not planning on using the car 'till
the new ones arrive.

Thanks for all the advice.

Ralph

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are a bunch of different amperages available. The rating is stamped
> in the center of the fuse strip as I recall.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage
> >> on both cars is the same.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84
> >> 300CD,
> >>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come
> >> in
> >>> handy.
> >>>
> >>> Ralph
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Ralph,
> 
>  As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split
> >> in
>  many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal
> >> cycling
>  causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not
> >> easy to
>  see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws
> >> and
>  when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
> 
>  It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy
> >> a
>  replacement, get tow or three.
> 
>  -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it
> >> and it
> > fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came
> >> on.
>  Made
> > my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5
> >> seconds
> > and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
> >> front
>  wheel
> >> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the
> >> GPs
>  or
> >> just change it, they’re like $2.
> >>
> >> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then
> >> jump
>  the
> >> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
> >> relay and
> >> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would
> >> get
> >> power to the GPs if it is not working.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did
> >> not
>  come
> >> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm
> >> day and
> >> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!
> >> Looked in
>  the
> >> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where
> >> would I
> >> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
> >> with glow
> >> plugs, or injectors.
> >>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
> >>> ___
> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
> >>>
> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> >>>
> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

IIRC they are 80A and cost $.33 at AutohausAZ:
https://www.autohausaz.com/pn/0005450334


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are a bunch of different amperages available. The rating is stamped
> in the center of the fuse strip as I recall.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage
> >> on both cars is the same.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84
> >> 300CD,
> >>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come
> >> in
> >>> handy.
> >>>
> >>> Ralph
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Ralph,
> 
>  As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split
> >> in
>  many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal
> >> cycling
>  causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not
> >> easy to
>  see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws
> >> and
>  when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
> 
>  It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy
> >> a
>  replacement, get tow or three.
> 
>  -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it
> >> and it
> > fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came
> >> on.
>  Made
> > my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5
> >> seconds
> > and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
> >> front
>  wheel
> >> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the
> >> GPs
>  or
> >> just change it, they’re like $2.
> >>
> >> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then
> >> jump
>  the
> >> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
> >> relay and
> >> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would
> >> get
> >> power to the GPs if it is not working.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did
> >> not
>  come
> >> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm
> >> day and
> >> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!
> >> Looked in
>  the
> >> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where
> >> would I
> >> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
> >> with glow
> >> plugs, or injectors.
> >>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are a bunch of different amperages available. The rating is stamped in 
the center of the fuse strip as I recall.

-D


> On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage
>> on both cars is the same. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84
>> 300CD,
>>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come
>> in
>>> handy.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Ralph,
 
 As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split
>> in
 many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal
>> cycling
 causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not
>> easy to
 see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws
>> and
 when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
 
 It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy
>> a
 replacement, get tow or three.
 
 -D
 
 
 
 
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it
>> and it
> fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came
>> on.
 Made
> my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5
>> seconds
> and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
>> front
 wheel
>> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the
>> GPs
 or
>> just change it, they’re like $2.
>> 
>> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then
>> jump
 the
>> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
>> relay and
>> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would
>> get
>> power to the GPs if it is not working.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did
>> not
 come
>> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm
>> day and
>> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go! 
>> Looked in
 the
>> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where
>> would I
>> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
>> with glow
>> plugs, or injectors.
>>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think the six cylinders use 80 amp.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 1, 2019 8:39:54 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage
>on both cars is the same. 
>
>--FT
>Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84
>300CD,
>> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come
>in
>> handy.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ralph,
>>> 
>>> As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split
>in
>>> many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal
>cycling
>>> causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not
>easy to
>>> see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws
>and
>>> when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
>>> 
>>> It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy
>a
>>> replacement, get tow or three.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it
>and it
 fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came
>on.
>>> Made
 my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5
>seconds
 and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
 
 Ralph
 
 On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left
>front
>>> wheel
> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the
>GPs
>>> or
> just change it, they’re like $2.
> 
> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then
>jump
>>> the
> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the
>relay and
> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would
>get
> power to the GPs if it is not working.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did
>not
>>> come
> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm
>day and
> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go! 
>Looked in
>>> the
> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where
>would I
> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far
>with glow
> plugs, or injectors.
>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It has been quite awhile since I changed any of the fuses and don't 
remember so you are most likely correct.  I think the last ones I bought 
were from the Benz dealer in Houston and I bought 4 or 5 as they were 
pretty cheap, probably 15 years ago!  I saw a couple not long ago so 
they are still around somewhere in a box or glove box in one of the cars.


--FT

On 8/1/19 9:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
no   4 cyl, 5 cyl and 6 cyl are different.   One is 60A, but I don't 
remember which.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 8/1/19 7:39 AM:
I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage 
on both cars is the same.


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

no   4 cyl, 5 cyl and 6 cyl are different.   One is 60A, but I don't 
remember which.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 8/1/19 7:39 AM:

I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage on both 
cars is the same.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I *think* they’re the same (20A?) but check to make sure the amperage on both 
cars is the same. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84 300CD,
> which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come in
> handy.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ralph,
>> 
>> As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split in
>> many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal cycling
>> causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not easy to
>> see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws and
>> when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
>> 
>> It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy a
>> replacement, get tow or three.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it and it
>>> fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came on.
>> Made
>>> my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5 seconds
>>> and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left front
>> wheel
 toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the GPs
>> or
 just change it, they’re like $2.
 
 Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then jump
>> the
 relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the relay and
 see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would get
 power to the GPs if it is not working.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not
>> come
 on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and
 thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in
>> the
 fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I
 find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow
 plugs, or injectors.
> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

Thanks, will be sure to get a couple of extras.  I also have an '84 300CD,
which probably uses the same type of strip fuse.  So extras will come in
handy.

Ralph

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ralph,
>
> As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split in
> many cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal cycling
> causes them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not easy to
> see, so I always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws and
> when you do you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.
>
> It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy a
> replacement, get tow or three.
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it and it
> > fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came on.
> Made
> > my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5 seconds
> > and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left front
> wheel
> >> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the GPs
> or
> >> just change it, they’re like $2.
> >>
> >> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then jump
> the
> >> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the relay and
> >> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would get
> >> power to the GPs if it is not working.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not
> come
> >> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and
> >> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in
> the
> >> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I
> >> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow
> >> plugs, or injectors.
> >>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ralph,

As you found, the strip fuses deteriorate over time and simply split in many 
cases. They heat up and cool as they’re used, and this thermal cycling causes 
them to eventually crack or split. A lot of times it’s not easy to see, so I 
always recommend that you remove the fuse from the screws and when you do 
you’ll often have them fall apart as yours did.

It’s a good idea to have a couple of these on hand, so when you buy a 
replacement, get tow or three.

-D




> On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it and it
> fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came on. Made
> my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5 seconds
> and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left front wheel
>> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the GPs or
>> just change it, they’re like $2.
>> 
>> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then jump the
>> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the relay and
>> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would get
>> power to the GPs if it is not working.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not come
>> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and
>> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in the
>> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I
>> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow
>> plugs, or injectors.
>>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Always CHECK YOUR FUSES. 

The simplest stuff first 

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> On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it and it
> fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came on. Made
> my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5 seconds
> and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left front wheel
>> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the GPs or
>> just change it, they’re like $2.
>> 
>> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then jump the
>> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the relay and
>> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would get
>> power to the GPs if it is not working.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not come
>> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and
>> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in the
>> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I
>> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow
>> plugs, or injectors.
>>> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

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I found the relay, and the strip fuse was bent upwards, touched it and it
fell apart.  Jumped the two terminals and the glow plug light came on. Made
my connections more firm, and let the glow plugs light up for 4-5 seconds
and voila, engine started up immediately.  Thank you very much.

Ralph

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> Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left front wheel
> toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the GPs or
> just change it, they’re like $2.
>
> Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then jump the
> relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the relay and
> see if it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would get
> power to the GPs if it is not working.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not come
> on.  First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and
> thought maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in the
> fuse box but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I
> find these for the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow
> plugs, or injectors.
> > Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

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Strip fuse?  On GP relay which on my SDs is mounted above left front wheel 
toward the front. You can jump it to see if that gets power to the GPs or just 
change it, they’re like $2. 

Or the relay itself could have gone bad. If the fuse is good then jump the 
relay and see if that works. Or you can take the cover off the relay and see if 
it closes, and manually push it closed to see if that would get power to the 
GPs if it is not working. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not come on.  
> First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and thought 
> maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in the fuse box 
> but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I find these for 
> the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow plugs, or injectors.
> Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL Glow Plugs

[Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes]

I tried starting my car this morning but my glow plug light did not come on.  
First time in 10 yrs. owning this car.  It was a very warm day and thought 
maybe in might start without the glow plugs.  No go!  Looked in the fuse box 
but could not find anything for the glow plugs.  Where would I find these for 
the glow plugs? Never had any problems thus far with glow plugs, or injectors.
Thanks.Ralph, '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Trans. leak

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Clean off the area with carb cleaner spray, really good. Add some dye check
to the trans oil [it does not impact the oil], Run the car for a bit, put
it on the rack so you can get a good look at the leak area with a black
light...

Follow the dye check to the leak source.. if it's the O ring... it will
show up bright and clear under the black light... if it's the valve body,
or a crack... the dye will highlight it nicely...

Quick, relatively cheap... and quite accurate if the Mech knows what he is
doing..

Much cheaper than doing a trans tear down you don't need...

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> My car has been leaking Trans. fluid this past year.  I had the seals
> replaced but now noticed some leaking.  Had it checked today and my
> mechanic says the leak seems to be a valve on the right side of the tranny
> which has been identified as the secondary trans. oil pump.  There is an O
> ring there which could be the culprit, or the pump itself.  Does a leak
> from this pump seem likely, or would it more likely be the O ring.  Anyone
> have any ideas on  this issue??
> Thanks
> Ralph, '87 300SDL   '84  399 CD
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL Trans. leak

[Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes]

My car has been leaking Trans. fluid this past year.  I had the seals replaced 
but now noticed some leaking.  Had it checked today and my mechanic says the 
leak seems to be a valve on the right side of the tranny which has been 
identified as the secondary trans. oil pump.  There is an O ring there which 
could be the culprit, or the pump itself.  Does a leak from this pump seem 
likely, or would it more likely be the O ring.  Anyone have any ideas on  this 
issue??
Thanks
Ralph, '87 300SDL           '84  399 CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:00:09 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The rotor is not supposed to warp, so there is some other cause of the
> issue.

I replaced the disks and pads on our '90 E300D and the pedal pulsing
stopped.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

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> '84TD via Mercedes wrote:

> My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedal.  Had a
> garage look at it and they recommended a rotor turning to remove
> high spots.  This worked fine for awhile, but the pulsing is now
> back again.

Can't say for sure, but that is the symptom of brakes that
were not properly "bedded".


http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brake-disc-and-other-myths

Solution is to turn the rotors or replace them.  While the S123
rotors can be turn, replacement isn't usually very expensive and
is what Mercedes specifies.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Common knowledge of Benz rotors is that they do not turn.  Get fresh rotors and 
have the brake system checked out.  The rotor is not supposed to warp, so there 
is some other cause of the issue.

Other list folks are far more versed on this.

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
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1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 14, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedal.  Had a garage look at 
> it and they recommended a rotor turning to remove high spots.  This worked 
> fine for awhile, but the pulsing is now back again.  Should I have the rotors 
> replaced or could it be  something else.
> Thanks
> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

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I actually found the wear gauge on an MB rotor just a year or so ago. Never 
knew they had them.  If you haven’t seen one it’s just a little crescent shaped 
cutout on the edge of the rotor wear surface.

-D

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You don’t turn MB rotors. As you discovered it’s a waste of money. You just 
> need to replace the rotors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedals.  Had a garage look 
>> at it and they recommended a rotor turning to remove high spots.  This 
>> worked fine for awhile, but the pulsing is now back again.  Should I have 
>> the rotors replaced or could it be  something else.
>> Thanks
>> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Jabba

--FT


On 2/14/18 3:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

These are but a few of the long list of awesome online parts shops with
competitive pricing and excellent customer service.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:22:28 + (UTC) "Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes"
 wrote:


Should I have the rotors replaced or could it be something else.
Thanks Ralph

You can get replacement disks at Rock Auto http://www.rockauto.com --
that's where I got them for our '90 E300D. They are cheaper than other
places and have good service.

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1986,
300sdl,3.0l+l6+diesel+turbocharged,1194072,brake+&+wheel+hub,rotor,1896


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

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These are but a few of the long list of awesome online parts shops with
competitive pricing and excellent customer service.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:22:28 + (UTC) "Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > Should I have the rotors replaced or could it be something else.
> > Thanks Ralph
>
> You can get replacement disks at Rock Auto http://www.rockauto.com --
> that's where I got them for our '90 E300D. They are cheaper than other
> places and have good service.
>
> http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1986,
> 300sdl,3.0l+l6+diesel+turbocharged,1194072,brake+&+wheel+hub,rotor,1896
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:22:28 + (UTC) "Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Should I have the rotors replaced or could it be something else.
> Thanks Ralph

You can get replacement disks at Rock Auto http://www.rockauto.com --
that's where I got them for our '90 E300D. They are cheaper than other
places and have good service.

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1986,300sdl,3.0l+l6+diesel+turbocharged,1194072,brake+&+wheel+hub,rotor,1896


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

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Or better yet importecautoparts.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
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> Get a choice of brands + free shipping at www.autohausaz.com
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> You don’t turn MB rotors. As you discovered it’s a waste of money. You just 
>> need to replace the rotors.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedals.  Had a garage look 
>> > at it and they recommended a rotor turning to remove high spots.  This 
>> > worked fine for awhile, but the pulsing is now back again.  Should I have 
>> > the rotors replaced or could it be  something else.
>> > Thanks
>> > Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

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On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You don’t turn MB rotors. As you discovered it’s a waste of money. You
> just need to replace the rotors.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedals.  Had a garage
> look at it and they recommended a rotor turning to remove high spots.  This
> worked fine for awhile, but the pulsing is now back again.  Should I have
> the rotors replaced or could it be  something else.
> > Thanks
> > Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You don’t turn MB rotors. As you discovered it’s a waste of money. You just 
need to replace the rotors.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedals.  Had a garage look at 
> it and they recommended a rotor turning to remove high spots.  This worked 
> fine for awhile, but the pulsing is now back again.  Should I have the rotors 
> replaced or could it be  something else.
> Thanks
> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL brake pulsing

[Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes]

My car recently starting a pulsing in the brake pedal.  Had a garage look at it 
and they recommended a rotor turning to remove high spots.  This worked fine 
for awhile, but the pulsing is now back again.  Should I have the rotors 
replaced or could it be  something else.
Thanks
Ralph '87 300 SDL          '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Usual.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, 650 -700 cold.  Is that unusual?
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM, WILTON  wrote:
>
> > 700?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Ralph Robertson via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "Randy Bennell" 
> > Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting
> >
> >
> >  what is the normal idle speed?  I will check again when it's warm.  It
> >> doesn't sound like a fast idle.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Randy Bennell 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -
> >>>
> >>> RB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is
> really
> >>>> in
> >>>> the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the
> reverse.
> >>>> The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
> >>>> Ralph
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears,
> however,
> >>>>
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear
> >>>>>> rather
> >>>>>> harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
> >>>>> the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
> >>>>> relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

Yes, 650 -700 cold.  Is that unusual?

Ralph


On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 700?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ralph Robertson via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Randy Bennell" 
> Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting
>
>
>  what is the normal idle speed?  I will check again when it's warm.  It
>> doesn't sound like a fast idle.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Randy Bennell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -
>>>
>>> RB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>  Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really
>>>> in
>>>> the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
>>>> The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
>>>> Ralph
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however,
>>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>>
>>>>>  putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
>>>>>>
>>>>> what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
>>>>> the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
>>>>> relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[WILTON via Mercedes]

May pop a wheelie at 7K - or an axle.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
To: "Ralph Robertson" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting



H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -

RB

On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really 
in

the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
Ralph

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey  
wrote:


My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, 
when
putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear 
rather

harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.


Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.

-- Jim







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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[WILTON via Mercedes]

700?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph Robertson via Mercedes" 

To: "Randy Bennell" 
Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting



what is the normal idle speed?  I will check again when it's warm.  It
doesn't sound like a fast idle.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Randy Bennell  
wrote:



H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -

RB


On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:


Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really
in
the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
Ralph

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey 
wrote:

 My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however,

when

putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear 
rather

harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.

 Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is

what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.

-- Jim








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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

sorry, reading it wrong, it is 700, not 7000.
Ralph

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:

> what is the normal idle speed?  I will check again when it's warm.  It
> doesn't sound like a fast idle.
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
>
>> H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -
>>
>> RB
>>
>>
>> On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really
>>> in
>>> the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
>>> The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however,
 when

> putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear
> rather
> harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.
>
>  Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
 what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
 the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
 relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.

 -- Jim



>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

what is the normal idle speed?  I will check again when it's warm.  It
doesn't sound like a fast idle.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -
>
> RB
>
>
> On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really
>> in
>> the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
>> The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however,
>>> when
>>>
 putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear rather
 harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.

  Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
>>> what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
>>> the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
>>> relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.
>>>
>>> -- Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

H - no wonder it lurches - 7000 RPM idle -

RB

On 17/10/2014 3:40 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:

Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really in
the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
Ralph

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:


My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, when

putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear rather
harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.


Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.

-- Jim







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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

Just checked the idle speed; 6500/7000 at start up.  The lurch is really in
the reverse gear, first gear is not very hard at all, just the reverse.
The reverse also takes a bit to engage, slower than first gear.
Ralph

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, when
>> putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear rather
>> harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.
>>
>
> Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
> what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
> the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
> relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, 
when
putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear 
rather

harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.


Idle speed?  The SDL is set to idle high, mechanically. The EDS is
what drags it down to 'normal'.  Any problem with the wiring, or
the actuator, or the power supply through the overvoltage protection
relay/crowbar and it idles high, and lurches into gear.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Flex disc(s)?  Transmission, differential mounts?

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
 On Oct 17, 2014 6:59 AM, "Ralph Robertson via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, when
> putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear rather
> harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.  Quite a
> difference in shifting from the normal forward gears shifting on the go.
> Can this be addressed thru some adjustment?
> Thanks.
> Ralph '87 300SDL
>   "84 300CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

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Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:

My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, when
putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear rather
harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.  Quite a
difference in shifting from the normal forward gears shifting on the go.
Can this be addressed thru some adjustment?


Might be a real easy adjustment.
What's your idle speed?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] '87 300SDL transmission shifting

[Ralph Robertson via Mercedes]

My 300SDL transmission shifts very nicely thru all the gears, however, when
putting the car in gear originally from neutral it goes into gear rather
harsh, also, when I put the car into reverse; the same thing.  Quite a
difference in shifting from the normal forward gears shifting on the go.
Can this be addressed thru some adjustment?
Thanks.
Ralph '87 300SDL
  "84 300CD
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Meade Dillon]

Andrew, you've stirred a thought.  A faulty kick-down switch can cause odd
shift behavior, and that is a relatively cheap fix.  I don't think that is
the problem here, but it is worth checking.  Mal-adjusted Bowden cable,
mal-adjusted throttle linkage, clogged filter: throw one or more of those
into the mix, and a mechanic not fully educated on transmissions installed
in MB diesel cars could easily mis-diagnose the problem.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
 On Jul 2, 2014 2:18 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> I didn't think so either, but sometime one gets lucky.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
>
> > Not likely.
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2014 12:38 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The SDL that is the topic of this discussion.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Possibly, your car or mine?
> > > >
> > > > Max Dillon,
> > > > Charleston SC
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 2, 2014 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I didn't think so either, but sometime one gets lucky.


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Not likely.
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
>
> On Jul 2, 2014 12:38 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > The SDL that is the topic of this discussion.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Possibly, your car or mine?
> > >
> > > Max Dillon,
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On Jul 2, 2014 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Curt Raymond]

The neutral safety switch tells the starter the car is in neutral or park and 
is safe to start. It has nothing to do with shifting other than that...

-Curt



 From: Meade Dillon 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission
 

Not likely.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC




On Jul 2, 2014 12:38 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:
>
> The SDL that is the topic of this discussion.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon 
wrote:
>
> > Possibly, your car or mine?
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2014 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?
> > >
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Meade Dillon]

Not likely.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Jul 2, 2014 12:38 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:
>
> The SDL that is the topic of this discussion.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon 
wrote:
>
> > Possibly, your car or mine?
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2014 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Andrew Strasfogel]

The SDL that is the topic of this discussion.


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Possibly, your car or mine?
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
>
> On Jul 2, 2014 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Meade Dillon]

Possibly, your car or mine?

Max Dillon,
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On Jul 2, 2014 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:
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> Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Could it be a balky neutral safety switch?


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> All this is anecdotal of course.  Jaime K. reports similar experience using
> the appropriate MB approved fluid.  That may mean that both M1 and the MB
> spec fluid have a common property not found in "brand X" fluid, or it may
> mean that a new filter and clean fluid will do the trick, any brand will
> do.  Personally I'll keep using M1.
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
>
> On Jul 2, 2014 6:46 AM, "LarryT"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, M1 is our shorthand for Mobil 1.
> >
> > And yes again, that would be Mobil 1 ATF.   It's more expensive but it
> usually does all Max (Meade) says it does on many of our cars with shifting
> problems.   But if there's mechanical damage it will probably not help -
> but it always depends on the type of damage.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Mitch Haley]

Meade Dillon wrote:

All this is anecdotal of course.  Jaime K. reports similar experience using
the appropriate MB approved fluid.  That may mean that both M1 and the MB
spec fluid have a common property not found in "brand X" fluid, or it may
mean that a new filter and clean fluid will do the trick, any brand will
do.  Personally I'll keep using M1.


I don't remember if Jaime got special German fluid like Fuchs, or just found 
some classic stuff that was exact to the Dexron II spec instead of the universal 
Dexron/Mercon stuff we usually see at Walmart.


Since DexIII was introduced in 1993, DexII should be the spec for any 
W116/123/126/201. I assume late model W124 came with DexIII in the transmissions.


Supposedly, DexIII is 100% backwards compatible with DexII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEXRON

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Meade Dillon]

All this is anecdotal of course.  Jaime K. reports similar experience using
the appropriate MB approved fluid.  That may mean that both M1 and the MB
spec fluid have a common property not found in "brand X" fluid, or it may
mean that a new filter and clean fluid will do the trick, any brand will
do.  Personally I'll keep using M1.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Jul 2, 2014 6:46 AM, "LarryT"  wrote:
>
> Yes, M1 is our shorthand for Mobil 1.
>
> And yes again, that would be Mobil 1 ATF.   It's more expensive but it
usually does all Max (Meade) says it does on many of our cars with shifting
problems.   But if there's mechanical damage it will probably not help -
but it always depends on the type of damage.
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[LarryT]

Yes, M1 is our shorthand for Mobil 1.

And yes again, that would be Mobil 1 ATF.   It's more expensive but it 
usually does all Max (Meade) says it does on many of our cars with 
shifting problems.   But if there's mechanical damage it will probably 
not help - but it always depends on the type of damage.


The bowden cable is the shift cable that runs across the rear half of 
top of the engine - just aft of the accelerator linkage on my 91 300D.   
If you decide to adjust this, adjust it 1/2 turn at a time and keep 
records of which direction you went so you can change it back if needed.


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On 7/2/2014 5:52 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:

This M1 ATF, I take is Mobil 1 ATF?  Is there a specific no. to ask for?  I
will try that first with a complete change, flush and filter change.
Thanks.
Ralph


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When I bought my '87 300TD, it shifted very poorly, usually late.

About 10k miles after changing fluid/filter and using M1, the transmission
shifted much much better.  The shift points were far more consistent.  I
then adjusted the Bowden cable, and it was nearly perfect.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Jul 1, 2014 10:57 AM, "Dwight Giles"  wrote:

Yes. Fred recommended that for my 300CD  & I did that & after a couple
thousand miles the flaring has subsided & up shifts are smoother. I was

not

being facetious in my earlier post about M1 ATF.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Ralph Robertson]

This M1 ATF, I take is Mobil 1 ATF?  Is there a specific no. to ask for?  I
will try that first with a complete change, flush and filter change.
Thanks.
Ralph


On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> When I bought my '87 300TD, it shifted very poorly, usually late.
>
> About 10k miles after changing fluid/filter and using M1, the transmission
> shifted much much better.  The shift points were far more consistent.  I
> then adjusted the Bowden cable, and it was nearly perfect.
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
>
> On Jul 1, 2014 10:57 AM, "Dwight Giles"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes. Fred recommended that for my 300CD  & I did that & after a couple
> > thousand miles the flaring has subsided & up shifts are smoother. I was
> not
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Kevin Kraly]

Is the 87 300sdl tranny susceptible to the bead two piston failure like the 
earlier ones?  There is one out here on craigslist with a suspected bad 
transmission.
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

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> 
> Noticed a possible problem with my '87 SDL transmission yesterday.  Slowed
> down for a yield sign and slowed to about 15-20mph and then proceeded to
> drive away, but the car acted like it was in neutral.  Several seconds it
> did nothing but rev up without engaging.  Shifted down to drive 3 and it
> went into gear, then I put the lever back to drive and it was back to
> normal.  Only did it once.  Checked fluid, all okay!  Any idea what this
> may be?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

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When I bought my '87 300TD, it shifted very poorly, usually late.

About 10k miles after changing fluid/filter and using M1, the transmission
shifted much much better.  The shift points were far more consistent.  I
then adjusted the Bowden cable, and it was nearly perfect.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

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>
> Yes. Fred recommended that for my 300CD  & I did that & after a couple
> thousand miles the flaring has subsided & up shifts are smoother. I was
not
> being facetious in my earlier post about M1 ATF.
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Dwight Giles]

Yes. Fred recommended that for my 300CD  & I did that & after a couple
thousand miles the flaring has subsided & up shifts are smoother. I was not
being facetious in my earlier post about M1 ATF.
On Jul 1, 2014 10:38 AM, "Meade Dillon"  wrote:

> I'd try a fluid and filter change first, using M1 ATF.
>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

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I'd try a fluid and filter change first, using M1 ATF.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Dan Penoff]

And did you CHECK THE FUSES?

Dan

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> 
> But are you using M1 ATF?
>> On Jul 1, 2014 9:39 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>> 
>> usually i'd say fluid, but being that is ok, i'd guess the tranny is dying
>> 
>> i can send you new one via USPS first class mail if you like
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Noticed a possible problem with my '87 SDL transmission yesterday.
>> Slowed
>>> down for a yield sign and slowed to about 15-20mph and then proceeded to
>>> drive away, but the car acted like it was in neutral.  Several seconds it
>>> did nothing but rev up without engaging.  Shifted down to drive 3 and it
>>> went into gear, then I put the lever back to drive and it was back to
>>> normal.  Only did it once.  Checked fluid, all okay!  Any idea what this
>>> may be?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

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But are you using M1 ATF?
On Jul 1, 2014 9:39 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> usually i'd say fluid, but being that is ok, i'd guess the tranny is dying
>
> i can send you new one via USPS first class mail if you like
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:
>
> > Noticed a possible problem with my '87 SDL transmission yesterday.
>  Slowed
> > down for a yield sign and slowed to about 15-20mph and then proceeded to
> > drive away, but the car acted like it was in neutral.  Several seconds it
> > did nothing but rev up without engaging.  Shifted down to drive 3 and it
> > went into gear, then I put the lever back to drive and it was back to
> > normal.  Only did it once.  Checked fluid, all okay!  Any idea what this
> > may be?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Gary Hurst]

usually i'd say fluid, but being that is ok, i'd guess the tranny is dying

i can send you new one via USPS first class mail if you like


On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:

> Noticed a possible problem with my '87 SDL transmission yesterday.  Slowed
> down for a yield sign and slowed to about 15-20mph and then proceeded to
> drive away, but the car acted like it was in neutral.  Several seconds it
> did nothing but rev up without engaging.  Shifted down to drive 3 and it
> went into gear, then I put the lever back to drive and it was back to
> normal.  Only did it once.  Checked fluid, all okay!  Any idea what this
> may be?
>
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL Transmission

[Ralph Robertson]

Noticed a possible problem with my '87 SDL transmission yesterday.  Slowed
down for a yield sign and slowed to about 15-20mph and then proceeded to
drive away, but the car acted like it was in neutral.  Several seconds it
did nothing but rev up without engaging.  Shifted down to drive 3 and it
went into gear, then I put the lever back to drive and it was back to
normal.  Only did it once.  Checked fluid, all okay!  Any idea what this
may be?

Ralph '84 300CD
  '87 300SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL A/C Blowing fuses

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Ralph Robertson  writes:

> My SDL blew 2 fuses yesterday when using the A/C/  The fan just stopped
> running and heat started coming in the vents.  Even when I shut off the
> vents the heat still pours out of the defroster vents.  Changed the first
> fuse and after another hour or so of running fine, the same thing happened.
>
> Any ideas on issue??

Default mode of the ACC is full defrost.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL A/C Blowing fuses

[Peter Frederick]

You have an unprotected short somewhere.  Could be the monovalve or  
one of the switchover valves that operate the flaps.


The fan fuse is separate, I don't think the pushbutton unit will blow  
a fuse due to the blower motor drawing too much current.


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL A/C Blowing fuses

[Ralph Robertson]

Just checked out the fuse holder, there is not any distortion at all,
everything looks good in there.  Have another fuse working, at the moment,
will hope for the best.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL A/C Blowing fuses

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vents the heat still pours out of the defroster vents.  Changed the first
fuse and after another hour or so of running fine, the same thing 
happened.

Poor fuse contacts?  Keep fan on low
try one more time.

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[MBZ] '87 300SDL A/C Blowing fuses

[Ralph Robertson]

My SDL blew 2 fuses yesterday when using the A/C/  The fan just stopped
running and heat started coming in the vents.  Even when I shut off the
vents the heat still pours out of the defroster vents.  Changed the first
fuse and after another hour or so of running fine, the same thing happened.

Any ideas on issue??

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Brake Pad Dash Light

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Don't know about them being checked but it seems the front pads are worn down 
to the sensors

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On May 13, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:

> My '87 300SDL's brake pad dash light has started flashing while driving and
> staying on at times, especially when I have the headlights turned on,
> (which seems strange or coincidental.)  It also comes on when I am
> stopping, and goes off when the brake pedal is released.
> 
> I had the brakes checked just a short while ago, and all was supposed to be
> in order with the front and back brakes.
> 
> Are there other issues that might make this light come on and off like
> this??, other than front brake pads??
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Brake Pad Dash Light

[Peter Frederick]

It's just a wire to ground, so if the light is coming on, the wire is  
grounded.  On when the pedal is depressed and off when released  
usually means you will be running metal to metal on the pads and  
rotors in about 2000 miles, but it is possible that the wire is loose  
or rubbing on something.


Time to have them checked.

MB pads can wear pretty fast if you often brake hard.  I get 50,000  
or so on a set, usually, but on the old 280 SE it as less than  
20,000, partially due to the wrong calipers being installed on it at  
some time (the 6 cylinder model ones, not the ones for the V8).


Peter

On May 13, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:


Hi Ralph,
Its pretty easy for the sensor wires to accidentally catch the  
rotor and

cause the light to come on when it doesn't really make any sense.

Jaime


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Ralph Robertson  
 wrote:


My '87 300SDL's brake pad dash light has started flashing while  
driving and

staying on at times, especially when I have the headlights turned on,
(which seems strange or coincidental.)  It also comes on when I am
stopping, and goes off when the brake pedal is released.

I had the brakes checked just a short while ago, and all was  
supposed to be

in order with the front and back brakes.

Are there other issues that might make this light come on and off  
like

this??, other than front brake pads??

Thanks.

Ralph '87 300SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL Brake Pad Dash Light

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Hi Ralph,
Its pretty easy for the sensor wires to accidentally catch the rotor and
cause the light to come on when it doesn't really make any sense.

Jaime


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> My '87 300SDL's brake pad dash light has started flashing while driving and
> staying on at times, especially when I have the headlights turned on,
> (which seems strange or coincidental.)  It also comes on when I am
> stopping, and goes off when the brake pedal is released.
>
> I had the brakes checked just a short while ago, and all was supposed to be
> in order with the front and back brakes.
>
> Are there other issues that might make this light come on and off like
> this??, other than front brake pads??
>
> Thanks.
>
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL Brake Pad Dash Light

[Ralph Robertson]

My '87 300SDL's brake pad dash light has started flashing while driving and
staying on at times, especially when I have the headlights turned on,
(which seems strange or coincidental.)  It also comes on when I am
stopping, and goes off when the brake pedal is released.

I had the brakes checked just a short while ago, and all was supposed to be
in order with the front and back brakes.

Are there other issues that might make this light come on and off like
this??, other than front brake pads??

Thanks.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

It is best to change the filters with a warm engine. (and a good 
battery, with a battery charger close by)


I change the clear inline filter and go for a drive. When I get back, I change 
the big one, restart the car, and try to hold 2000-3000 rpm until the engine 
smooths out. No pumping, no cranking, no pouring unfiltered fuel into the center 
of the fuel cannister.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Dieselhead]

That is another signal for a plugged filter.  Change both.  If that 
does not cure it, then the next step is to clean the tank screen.


It is best to change the filters with a warm engine. (and a good 
battery, with a battery charger close by)




Have not noticed any difference in shifting except once, yesterday, when the
engine was cold and I was accelerating to get up to traffic speed, the 4th
gear seemed to take longer to shift, once it was warmed up, I did not notice
anything different.
Ralph

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Sounds like partially restricted fuel filter(s) creating foaming under
 load, at the highest rate of fuel consumption.  Do you notice any difference
 in shifting?




 I will definitely get the fuel filter changed, and the air filter was

 checked recently, but I will change that as well.  The strange thing is
 that
 it runs perfect otherwise, just when it is under load on a long grade that
 it seems to lose power and start kind of "missing", and when I come over
 the
 grade, it smooths out just like normal and runs fine.  I will get right on
 the simple things first and hope that does it.
 Ralph

 On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rich Thomas <

richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
 wrote:

  Well, are your fuel filters dirty?  Tank strainer?  In the boy's 300SD we

  had that problem when the intake manifold to ALDA hose was clogged, but
 I
  don't know if your engine has something similar or not.

  > ---R




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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Ralph Robertson]

Have not noticed any difference in shifting except once, yesterday, when the
engine was cold and I was accelerating to get up to traffic speed, the 4th
gear seemed to take longer to shift, once it was warmed up, I did not notice
anything different.
Ralph

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like partially restricted fuel filter(s) creating foaming under
> load, at the highest rate of fuel consumption.  Do you notice any difference
> in shifting?
>
>
>
>
> I will definitely get the fuel filter changed, and the air filter was
>> checked recently, but I will change that as well.  The strange thing is
>> that
>> it runs perfect otherwise, just when it is under load on a long grade that
>> it seems to lose power and start kind of "missing", and when I come over
>> the
>> grade, it smooths out just like normal and runs fine.  I will get right on
>> the simple things first and hope that does it.
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Well, are your fuel filters dirty?  Tank strainer?  In the boy's 300SD we
>>>  had that problem when the intake manifold to ALDA hose was clogged, but
>>> I
>>>  don't know if your engine has something similar or not.
>>>
>>>  > ---R
>>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Michael Canfield]

Sounds like a plugged filter to me too.  First sign I notice is a slight
surging when pulling a steep hill.

Mike
On Oct 18, 2011 9:46 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like partially restricted fuel filter(s) creating foaming under
> load, at the highest rate of fuel consumption.  Do you notice any difference
> in shifting?
>
>
>
>  I will definitely get the fuel filter changed, and the air filter was
>> checked recently, but I will change that as well.  The strange thing is
>> that
>> it runs perfect otherwise, just when it is under load on a long grade that
>> it seems to lose power and start kind of "missing", and when I come over
>> the
>> grade, it smooths out just like normal and runs fine.  I will get right on
>> the simple things first and hope that does it.
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Well, are your fuel filters dirty?  Tank strainer?  In the boy's 300SD
>>> we
>>>  had that problem when the intake manifold to ALDA hose was clogged, but
>>> I
>>>  don't know if your engine has something similar or not.
>>>
>>>   > ---R
>>
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Dieselhead]

Sounds like partially restricted fuel filter(s) creating foaming 
under load, at the highest rate of fuel consumption.  Do you notice 
any difference in shifting?





I will definitely get the fuel filter changed, and the air filter was
checked recently, but I will change that as well.  The strange thing is that
it runs perfect otherwise, just when it is under load on a long grade that
it seems to lose power and start kind of "missing", and when I come over the
grade, it smooths out just like normal and runs fine.  I will get right on
the simple things first and hope that does it.
Ralph

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


 Well, are your fuel filters dirty?  Tank strainer?  In the boy's 300SD we
 had that problem when the intake manifold to ALDA hose was clogged, but I
 don't know if your engine has something similar or not.


 > ---R


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Ralph Robertson]

I will definitely get the fuel filter changed, and the air filter was
checked recently, but I will change that as well.  The strange thing is that
it runs perfect otherwise, just when it is under load on a long grade that
it seems to lose power and start kind of "missing", and when I come over the
grade, it smooths out just like normal and runs fine.  I will get right on
the simple things first and hope that does it.
Ralph

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Well, are your fuel filters dirty?  Tank strainer?  In the boy's 300SD we
> had that problem when the intake manifold to ALDA hose was clogged, but I
> don't know if your engine has something similar or not.
>
> ---R
>
>
> On 10/17/11 3:52 PM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>
>> Today I noticed my SDL started running a bit rough while underload
>> climbing
>> a long steep grade.  Running just fine under normal load, starting well,
>> as
>> usual, nothing seems different except this roughness like a dirty fuel
>> filter.  Never experienced this before and was wondering if it was related
>> to the IP, or the turbo.  Would appreciate your thoughts.
>> The engine has about 130k miles on it.
>> Thanks,  Ralph, '84 300CD
>> '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

change air and fuel filters

On 10/17/2011 2:52 PM, Ralph Robertson wrote:

Today I noticed my SDL started running a bit rough while underload climbing
a long steep grade.  Running just fine under normal load, starting well, as
usual, nothing seems different except this roughness like a dirty fuel
filter.  Never experienced this before and was wondering if it was related
to the IP, or the turbo.  Would appreciate your thoughts.
The engine has about 130k miles on it.
Thanks,  Ralph, '84 300CD
 '87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Max]

Sounds a lot like clogged fuel filters. I'd start there. Watch the clear 
in-line filter with engine running, you may see the air bubble grow when you 
rev the engine if that filter is clogging up.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Ralph Robertson  wrote:

Today I noticed my SDL started running a bit rough while underload climbing
a long steep grade. Running just fine under normal load, starting well, as
usual, nothing seems different except this roughness like a dirty fuel
filter. Never experienced this before and was wondering if it was related
to the IP, or the turbo. Would appreciate your thoughts.
The engine has about 130k miles on it.
Thanks, Ralph, '84 300CD
'87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Rich Thomas]

Well, are your fuel filters dirty?  Tank strainer?  In the boy's 300SD 
we had that problem when the intake manifold to ALDA hose was clogged, 
but I don't know if your engine has something similar or not.


---R

On 10/17/11 3:52 PM, Ralph Robertson wrote:

Today I noticed my SDL started running a bit rough while underload climbing
a long steep grade.  Running just fine under normal load, starting well, as
usual, nothing seems different except this roughness like a dirty fuel
filter.  Never experienced this before and was wondering if it was related
to the IP, or the turbo.  Would appreciate your thoughts.
The engine has about 130k miles on it.
Thanks,  Ralph, '84 300CD
 '87 300 SDL
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL running rough under load

[Ralph Robertson]

Today I noticed my SDL started running a bit rough while underload climbing
a long steep grade.  Running just fine under normal load, starting well, as
usual, nothing seems different except this roughness like a dirty fuel
filter.  Never experienced this before and was wondering if it was related
to the IP, or the turbo.  Would appreciate your thoughts.
The engine has about 130k miles on it.
Thanks,  Ralph, '84 300CD
'87 300 SDL
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL front wheel hubs

[Ralph Robertson]

Thanks for the info., I keep learning things about these fantastic machines.

Ralph

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> It's for static suppression, believe it or not.
>
> It allows any static charges that build up in the wheel/tire to bleed off
> to the chassis and vice versa.
>
> If you don't replace it, you might get some static or noise in AM
> broadcasts.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 6:25 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:
>
> > I have a question for the experts; what is the small brass insert on the
> end
> > of the front wheel hubs on my '87 300SDL?  It seems to have a spring
> effect
> > and goes up against the wheel bearing cup.  Never noticed them before and
> > can't figure out what it is for.  Thanks.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL front wheel hubs

[Craig]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 07:17:37 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> It's for static suppression, believe it or not.
> 
> It allows any static charges that build up in the wheel/tire to bleed
> off to the chassis and vice versa.
> 
> If you don't replace it, you might get some static or noise in AM
> broadcasts.

And your car might be charged up with static when you go to refuel it and
draw a spark to the fuel nozzle. Not so much a problem with diesel cars,
but with gassers ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL front wheel hubs

[Dan Penoff]

It's for static suppression, believe it or not.

It allows any static charges that build up in the wheel/tire to bleed off to 
the chassis and vice versa.

If you don't replace it, you might get some static or noise in AM broadcasts.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2011, at 6:25 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:

> I have a question for the experts; what is the small brass insert on the end
> of the front wheel hubs on my '87 300SDL?  It seems to have a spring effect
> and goes up against the wheel bearing cup.  Never noticed them before and
> can't figure out what it is for.  Thanks.
> 
> Ralph '84 300CD
> '87 300SDL
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[MBZ] '87 300SDL front wheel hubs

[Ralph Robertson]

I have a question for the experts; what is the small brass insert on the end
of the front wheel hubs on my '87 300SDL?  It seems to have a spring effect
and goes up against the wheel bearing cup.  Never noticed them before and
can't figure out what it is for.  Thanks.

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 '87 300SDL
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Walt Zarnoch]

It's on the crapslist in NY, he's looking at it on his way back from
oneonta.

Poor thing will be running on motor oil and fryer grease if he does buy
it...

Walt
On Aug 21, 2011 3:00 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
> So, did friend buy it? And if not, where is it? :)
>
> -Tim
> Would have to live in his car if he bought another before finishing the
300D
> On Aug 19, 2011 5:08 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>> Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>> The seller has it priced at $600, doesn't get much cheaper than that.
>>
>> Not too long ago, anything with a running 603 was worth that easily.
>> Today, anything with an S in the name is worth at least $400 based on
> weight.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Tim C]

So, did friend buy it?  And if not, where is it? :)

-Tim
Would have to live in his car if he bought another before finishing the 300D
On Aug 19, 2011 5:08 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> The seller has it priced at $600, doesn't get much cheaper than that.
>
> Not too long ago, anything with a running 603 was worth that easily.
> Today, anything with an S in the name is worth at least $400 based on
weight.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

The seller has it priced at $600, doesn't get much cheaper than that.


Not too long ago, anything with a running 603 was worth that easily.
Today, anything with an S in the name is worth at least $400 based on weight.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Walt Zarnoch]

The seller has it priced at $600, doesn't get much cheaper than that.

Walt
On Aug 19, 2011 10:58 AM, "Tim C"  wrote:
> On Aug 19, 2011 10:05 AM, "Walt Zarnoch"  wrote:
>>
>> Friend is looking to buy it, has an I6.
>
> Great engine, great body. Head greater than 14 (middle number) is better.
>
>> Owner states that it won't shift into OD sometimes, and if he's
> accelerating
>> and it shifts up to OD it it will sometimes "feel like it goes into
>> neutral".
>
> Slip. I would guess transmission innards, is it quick to go into reverse?
> Might be able to eke out some time - and maybe a lot of time - with a
> thorough drain and fill, but no way to know until you've driven it a while
> on clean fluid.
>
>> What say the list? My bet is it's a vac issue, but...
>
> I bet my own money, not my friends'. :) Seriously the weak links are the
> head and the transmission, and everyone seems to think the heads are
sorted
> out by now. I haven't had the vacuum problems on the SDL that I had on the
> 300D (though I might just be lucky).
>
> I love my SDL and will have to replace the transmission in the next couple
> of years (or, get a prettier SDL and move the engine), but definitely
price
> the offer such that your friend could afford a junkyard transmission swap.
> Or steer the friend clear if you don't have time to help. :)
>
> Best,
> -Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Tim C]

On Aug 19, 2011 10:05 AM, "Walt Zarnoch"  wrote:
>
> Owner states that it won't shift into OD sometimes

Had the same issue on the way to lunch, make sure the linkage is right;
transmission was on 3 in my case due to ham-handed-ness.  Easy enough to
make sure that it goes to 2, mine has very obvious stickiness at each of D,
3, and 2.

Just a thought if the rest of the transmission is in good shape.

Best,
Tim

> and it shifts up to OD it it will sometimes "feel like it goes into
> neutral".
>
> What say the list? My bet is it's a vac issue, but...
>
> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Tim C]

On Aug 19, 2011 10:05 AM, "Walt Zarnoch"  wrote:
>
> Friend is looking to buy it, has an I6.

Great engine, great body.  Head greater than 14 (middle number) is better.

> Owner states that it won't shift into OD sometimes, and if he's
accelerating
> and it shifts up to OD it it will sometimes "feel like it goes into
> neutral".

Slip.  I would guess transmission innards, is it quick to go into reverse?
Might be able to eke out some time - and maybe a lot of time - with a
thorough drain and fill, but no way to know until you've driven it a while
on clean fluid.

> What say the list? My bet is it's a vac issue, but...

I bet my own money, not my friends'. :) Seriously the weak links are the
head and the transmission, and everyone seems to think the heads are sorted
out by now.  I haven't had the vacuum problems on the SDL that I had on the
300D (though I might just be lucky).

I love my SDL and will have to replace the transmission in the next couple
of years (or, get a prettier SDL and move the engine), but definitely price
the offer such that your friend could afford a junkyard transmission swap.
Or steer the friend clear if you don't have time to help. :)

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Jim Cathey]

Owner states that it won't shift into OD sometimes,


SDL doesn't have overdrive.  Standard 1-2-3-4, 4 is 1:1.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] 87 300SDL, trans not shifting to OD

[Walt Zarnoch]

Friend is looking to buy it, has an I6.

Owner states that it won't shift into OD sometimes, and if he's accelerating
and it shifts up to OD it it will sometimes "feel like it goes into
neutral".

What say the list? My bet is it's a vac issue, but...

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL, ignorant question...

[Jim Cathey]

Is there a fuel tank vent for the 300SDL?  Is the cap supposed to vent?


Yes.  No.  It might be under the car, that's where it is
on some of these things.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL, ignorant question...

[Rolf]

I have the same on the w124 87 300d, As long as its pressure and not 
suction you should be OK,


-Rolf

On 03/21/2011 04:14 PM, Tim C wrote:

...but I don't know, and can't find a clear answer.

Is there a fuel tank vent for the 300SDL?  Is the cap supposed to vent?

I have a lot of whoosh when I open the cap, and the car gets rumbly at
idle on occasion [that could definitely be a coincidence].  I always
forget until I have opened the cap, so I'm not sure if it is positive
or negative pressure, nor really how much other than it is notable.

Thanks,
-Tim
working on the 300D for the moment (thanks Rusty! for quick shipping
and a great deal), lovely weather in the SE US

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL, ignorant question...

[Rich Thomas]

There is a vent on top of the tank for the 84 SD, I presume your car has 
a similar arrangement.  On the SD you can take out a panel in front of 
the trunk to get at the tank, and I think there is a way to get at from 
the back shelf, like under the first aid kit hatch?


--R

On 3/21/2011 4:14 PM, Tim C wrote:

...but I don't know, and can't find a clear answer.

Is there a fuel tank vent for the 300SDL?  Is the cap supposed to vent?

I have a lot of whoosh when I open the cap, and the car gets rumbly at
idle on occasion [that could definitely be a coincidence].  I always
forget until I have opened the cap, so I'm not sure if it is positive
or negative pressure, nor really how much other than it is notable.

Thanks,
-Tim
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and a great deal), lovely weather in the SE US

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL, ignorant question...

[Max Dillon]

Should be a vent; MB diesel fuel caps of that era (and possible all of them) do 
not have a vent.

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties)
'73 Balboa 20 (High & dry until the head is back on)
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From: Tim C 
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Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 4:14:32 PM
Subject: [MBZ] '87 300SDL, ignorant question...

...but I don't know, and can't find a clear answer.

Is there a fuel tank vent for the 300SDL?  Is the cap supposed to vent?

I have a lot of whoosh when I open the cap, and the car gets rumbly at
idle on occasion [that could definitely be a coincidence].  I always
forget until I have opened the cap, so I'm not sure if it is positive
or negative pressure, nor really how much other than it is notable.

Thanks,
-Tim
working on the 300D for the moment (thanks Rusty! for quick shipping
and a great deal), lovely weather in the SE US

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[MBZ] '87 300SDL, ignorant question...

[Tim C]

...but I don't know, and can't find a clear answer.

Is there a fuel tank vent for the 300SDL?  Is the cap supposed to vent?

I have a lot of whoosh when I open the cap, and the car gets rumbly at
idle on occasion [that could definitely be a coincidence].  I always
forget until I have opened the cap, so I'm not sure if it is positive
or negative pressure, nor really how much other than it is notable.

Thanks,
-Tim
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and a great deal), lovely weather in the SE US

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL loose alternator pulley

[Loren Faeth]

I think your plan will be fine without a new lockwasher.  That is an 
unusual size lockwasher.  Not likely one you can buy locally.  As 
long as your lockwasher is there and looks like a lockwasher, the 
key, locktight and lotsa torque should hold it on.  My guess is the 
missing key is the culprit.

At 05:51 PM 4/20/2008, you wrote:
>I took it apart - the key is missing. A new key, lock-tite and an
>impact wrench might do it. Will check to see if I have big lock
>washers too.
>
>Thanks
>
>-Dave Walton
>
>On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's been a while since I had mine off but isn't the pulley keyed? If it is
> >  & the nut is properly tightened then it can't loosen unless the threads on
> >  the shaft are under size or the threads on the nut are over size.
> >
> >  If this is the case then it's time for a new alternator.
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >  Tom Hargrave
> >  www.kegkits.com
> >  256-656-1924
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  -Original Message-
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> >  On Behalf Of OK Don
> >  Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:23 PM
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL loose alternator pulley
> >
> >  Perhaps the front bearing is now toast, or the shaft is bent?  Does
> >  sound strange!
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  OK Don, KD5NRO
> >  Norman, OK
> >  "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
> >  -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
> >  '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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[MBZ] 87 300SDL loose alternator pulley

[Wilton Strickland]

Nearly 4 yrs ago, a few days after getting my showroom-appearing 87 300D (82
kmi), my indie installed a new serp belt.  Next day, alt. pulley came off;
got AAA tow 'bout 5 miles home.  Coupla days later, stealer hauled car to
stealer garage and installed new alt.

Wilton


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