Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 UOA

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I used to order it from Walmart.com, but it does not appear to be 
available at the moment.  I stocked up when it was $39 for a 5 gallon 
bucket of full synthetic.  I think I got like 12 buckets of it.  It goes 
out of stock from time to time and I assume its probably sitting on a 
ship somewhere.


On 1/11/2022 5:36 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Where do you get the Sinopec oil?

We need to change the oil in all the grooming machines which is going 
to need around 15 gallons. I'd like to go synthetic and can get Delvac 
1 5w40 at Tractor Supply for $52/2.5 gallons or just under $21 a 
gallon. Considering Rotella T4 is nearly $15 a gallon it seems like a 
good choice...


-Curt

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 06:27:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:



Here is UOA on the 99 E300 running the cheap Sinopec T700 full synthetic.
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 UOA

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Where do you get the Sinopec oil?
We need to change the oil in all the grooming machines which is going to need 
around 15 gallons. I'd like to go synthetic and can get Delvac 1 5w40 at 
Tractor Supply for $52/2.5 gallons or just under $21 a gallon. Considering 
Rotella T4 is nearly $15 a gallon it seems like a good choice...

-Curt

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 wrote:  
 
 Here is UOA on the 99 E300 running the cheap Sinopec T700 full synthetic.
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[MBZ] 99 E300 UOA

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Here is UOA on the 99 E300 running the cheap Sinopec T700 full synthetic.


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Re: [MBZ] 99 e300

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have this 99 I need to get the fuel pump or whatever sorted on it, 
cranks but won't fire, I don't think it is getting fuel. Swapped the 
relay (K40?) or whatever that box is with the one from the wrecked E300, 
still wouldn't fire.  Now I'm wondering if it has a crank position 
sensor like the gassers


--FT

On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have this hell of a nice 99 e300 with about 196k on it, leather seats etc 
that I bought a couple of years ago. It was stuck in 1st and I originally 
replaced the conductor plate but that didn’t cure it. Long story short I pulled 
a valve body out of a later 02 or 03 ML500 and now it shifts great. Next things 
it needed was tires and AC. Front tires are brand new Barium or something like 
that. Back are worn out. The whole time I could have sworn the ac compressor 
was locked up and was plan on on that job. I checked it the other day and 
managed to turn the clutch. Might not have tried hard enough before or didn’t 
have a good angle to get a good grib. Threw the ac machine on it and recovered 
a very small amount of refrigerant. Vaccumed it down and it passed the leak 
test. Charged it up and it cools great. I used my sniff tester and could find 
no leaks. Now just need to replace a couple of tires and it will be ready to 
hit the road. It’s a wonder I procrastinate on projects for so long.

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[MBZ] 99 e300

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have this hell of a nice 99 e300 with about 196k on it, leather seats etc 
that I bought a couple of years ago. It was stuck in 1st and I originally 
replaced the conductor plate but that didn’t cure it. Long story short I pulled 
a valve body out of a later 02 or 03 ML500 and now it shifts great. Next things 
it needed was tires and AC. Front tires are brand new Barium or something like 
that. Back are worn out. The whole time I could have sworn the ac compressor 
was locked up and was plan on on that job. I checked it the other day and 
managed to turn the clutch. Might not have tried hard enough before or didn’t 
have a good angle to get a good grib. Threw the ac machine on it and recovered 
a very small amount of refrigerant. Vaccumed it down and it passed the leak 
test. Charged it up and it cools great. I used my sniff tester and could find 
no leaks. Now just need to replace a couple of tires and it will be ready to 
hit the road. It’s a wonder I procrastinate on projects for so long. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like a real cheap fix.  Nice!
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:38 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> OK in a quick research this seems to be the issue but will need to get
> the car to check and see:
>
>
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351031-w210-glow-plug-issue-97-e300d.html
>
> Looks like if the connector is not connecting then the IP won't pump any
> fuel, which is why the guy suspected the IP..  Damn wouldn't it be cool
> if it is just a bad connector!
>
> --FT
>
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> Quote:
> Originally Posted by *treiberg* View Post
> <
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351031-w210-glow-plug-issue-97-e300d.html#post3383292>
>
>
> Back to this issue again. Car has been running fine for several months,
> with only a few times where light wouldn't come on, but usually if we
> just waited an hour or two, we would finally get the glow plug light and
> then car would fire up. But now I cannot get glow plug light on and
> engine will not start without it. Here is a tally of what I have
> investigated:
>
> -glow plug resistance appears to be fine, all in the 0.6 to 0.8 ohm range
> -glow plug relay seems to be fine, at least I see it providing 12V to
> output blades when I energize it, and you can hear relay click
> -replaced the K40 relay
> -problem appears to be worse when engine or ambient is hot
>
> The problem appears to be that the signal to energize the relay is not
> working. I cannot consistently get 12v at the two input wires to the
> glow plug relay. My understanding is that this starts with the ignition
> switch, but it is also enabled by the temperature sensor located under
> the manifold. I wonder if this sensor has gone bad...??
>
> Also, I need to start the car to move it. So I figured if I just apply
> 12V to the input side of the glow plug relay, then it will pass power to
> the glow plugs and I will be able to start it after 10-15 seconds - sort
> of bypassing the electronics that send the 12v. However, when I do this
> the relay only pops on for 1-2 seconds and turns right back off again,
> not nearly enough time to energize those plugs to allow me to start. Is
> that relay somehow super smart and know that my 12v is different than
> the one from the ECU?
>
> If anyone out there has some input, or can even provide a wiring diagram
> for a 97 E210 E300D, that would really help.
>
> I went through this exact issue with my 97 a couple of weeks ago. First
> of all trying to hot wire the GP relay is not going to work because this
> GP relay is digitally controlled by the engine computer. Even if you
> manage to hotwire it, the computer won't allow fuel to the IP if it
> doesn't have clear communication with the GP relay. The GP relay has a
> PIC16 micro controller in it. There is a small 2 wire (3 pin) plug on
> the GP relay with a white and brown wire. Brown is ground and white is a
> data line from the engine computer. Grab that plug and wiggle it a bit.
> You'll see it has some play. The plug is poorly designed and
> intermittently cuts the data signal between the engine computer and GP
> relay.
>
> The solution is fairly simple. Solder your own wires to pins 1 and 2 of
> the 3 pin plug on the GP relay and use standard off the shelf plugs to
> securely plug it into the car's wiring harness (brown and white wires).
> Leave everything else the same. You will also need to connect to the
> OBD2 port and delete the stored code (P0380 i think).
>
> Heres an older thread where we discussed the issue and the fix.
> GP relay help - 1997 E300 om606.912
> <
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/358272-gp-relay-help-1997-e300-om606-912-a-2.html
> >
>
> My car went from intermittent no start to totally reliable starts after
> this modification. MB issued a service bulletin about this very issue.
> Quote:
> SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 31/98
>
> 31/98-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE,
> ALWAYS CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS
>
> 31/98-3 GROUP 07 - ALL DIESELS AS OF MY 96 (210.020, 210.025): For
> conditions of code P1482 (preglow control module) in engine ECU, in
> addition to the tests outlined in Diagnostic Manual 1.1 and 1.2,*please
> check the electrical line and connectors between the preglow control
> module and the engine ECU (signal wire / ground and voltage supply) for
> possible intermittent contact, open contact, short to ground and / or
> power.* If all checks OK, replace preglow control module. These
> additional tests are necessary to obtain a more precise definition of
> code P1482. In case of warranty, please use Damage Code according to
> identified problem.
> H. Polz, Service Engineering
> HPdg 12-18-98
>
>
> On 1/22/20 4:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail 

Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

OK in a quick research this seems to be the issue but will need to get 
the car to check and see:


http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351031-w210-glow-plug-issue-97-e300d.html

Looks like if the connector is not connecting then the IP won't pump any 
fuel, which is why the guy suspected the IP..  Damn wouldn't it be cool 
if it is just a bad connector!


--FT

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Quote:
Originally Posted by *treiberg* View Post 
 

Back to this issue again. Car has been running fine for several months, 
with only a few times where light wouldn't come on, but usually if we 
just waited an hour or two, we would finally get the glow plug light and 
then car would fire up. But now I cannot get glow plug light on and 
engine will not start without it. Here is a tally of what I have 
investigated:


-glow plug resistance appears to be fine, all in the 0.6 to 0.8 ohm range
-glow plug relay seems to be fine, at least I see it providing 12V to 
output blades when I energize it, and you can hear relay click

-replaced the K40 relay
-problem appears to be worse when engine or ambient is hot

The problem appears to be that the signal to energize the relay is not 
working. I cannot consistently get 12v at the two input wires to the 
glow plug relay. My understanding is that this starts with the ignition 
switch, but it is also enabled by the temperature sensor located under 
the manifold. I wonder if this sensor has gone bad...??


Also, I need to start the car to move it. So I figured if I just apply 
12V to the input side of the glow plug relay, then it will pass power to 
the glow plugs and I will be able to start it after 10-15 seconds - sort 
of bypassing the electronics that send the 12v. However, when I do this 
the relay only pops on for 1-2 seconds and turns right back off again, 
not nearly enough time to energize those plugs to allow me to start. Is 
that relay somehow super smart and know that my 12v is different than 
the one from the ECU?


If anyone out there has some input, or can even provide a wiring diagram 
for a 97 E210 E300D, that would really help.


I went through this exact issue with my 97 a couple of weeks ago. First 
of all trying to hot wire the GP relay is not going to work because this 
GP relay is digitally controlled by the engine computer. Even if you 
manage to hotwire it, the computer won't allow fuel to the IP if it 
doesn't have clear communication with the GP relay. The GP relay has a 
PIC16 micro controller in it. There is a small 2 wire (3 pin) plug on 
the GP relay with a white and brown wire. Brown is ground and white is a 
data line from the engine computer. Grab that plug and wiggle it a bit. 
You'll see it has some play. The plug is poorly designed and 
intermittently cuts the data signal between the engine computer and GP 
relay.


The solution is fairly simple. Solder your own wires to pins 1 and 2 of 
the 3 pin plug on the GP relay and use standard off the shelf plugs to 
securely plug it into the car's wiring harness (brown and white wires). 
Leave everything else the same. You will also need to connect to the 
OBD2 port and delete the stored code (P0380 i think).


Heres an older thread where we discussed the issue and the fix.
GP relay help - 1997 E300 om606.912 



My car went from intermittent no start to totally reliable starts after 
this modification. MB issued a service bulletin about this very issue.

Quote:
SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 31/98

31/98-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE, 
ALWAYS CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS


31/98-3 GROUP 07 - ALL DIESELS AS OF MY 96 (210.020, 210.025): For 
conditions of code P1482 (preglow control module) in engine ECU, in 
addition to the tests outlined in Diagnostic Manual 1.1 and 1.2,*please 
check the electrical line and connectors between the preglow control 
module and the engine ECU (signal wire / ground and voltage supply) for 
possible intermittent contact, open contact, short to ground and / or 
power.* If all checks OK, replace preglow control module. These 
additional tests are necessary to obtain a more precise definition of 
code P1482. In case of warranty, please use Damage Code according to 
identified problem.

H. Polz, Service Engineering
HPdg 12-18-98


On 1/22/20 4:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:
H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white 
much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/

1200$

Needs injection pump or pump rebuild

Ran and drove perfect

Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Nice!  Maybe a good driver to upgrade the Daughter Unit?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:28 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This car is pretty nice but I hate the white beige but whatever. Needs an
> interior cleaning but really not bad, upholstery good.  Good tires. 184k
> mi. A few little rusty ding spots on the paint On edges but easy enough to
> deal with, or not l.  I put the OBD reader on it the only code was Glow
> plug circuit A which probably means the GPs aren’t heating to start the
> car. H.
>
> Young guy selling it has a shop, needed a starter apparently which he put
> on. Spins but won’t fire. He thinks it’s the fuel pump or injection pump or
> something as he said it wasn’t getting fuel in any injectors.  Could just
> be GPS.  Worse deal I pull off the bits from the wrecked car.
>
> Something about being sent over from a transmission shop for the starter.
> Who knows, no codes for any trans issues, maybe whoever just left it there.
> But he got the title and a few dineros and a new battery in it so I guess
> it’s reasonable. He doesn’t have time to fool with it.
>
> $500 I’m picking it up tomorrow.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail <
> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40
> relay,
> >> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
> >> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no
> start.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
> >>> much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
> >>>
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
> >>>
> >>> 1200$
> >>> Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
> >>> Ran and drove perfect
> >>> Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah either one maybe. The daughter unit 124 is ok but needing this and that. 
While I’d like a diesel that color combo makes me gag for some reason. Either 
flip it to her for the 124 or sell it. I like the silver E320 gasser, it does 
ok on petrol, about what the diesel did and is quite peppy.  Everything works, 
its a pretty nice car.  I’m going to check out that old dead man 211 05 E500, 
the woman seems anxious to unload it, if that is nice I might unload the 210 
E320 then. Creep up into newer cars although they are getting more complex.. .

I’m thinking this might be something simple on the E300 as I doubt an injection 
pump would go bad. I need to learn what that GP issue is about — a relay maybe? 
 Didn’t look at that on the first $500E300 as it just has 2 bad GPs.  If the 
GPs aren’t heating it’s not gonna light off easily.   Or maybe a fuel pump or 
relay?  Both of those would be simple enough to swap from the crashed E300. 

Any ideas let me know. 

--FT
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> On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Max says:
> 
>> Nice!  Maybe a good driver to upgrade the Daughter Unit?
> 
> I was thinking a flip to me actually. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Max says:

>Nice!  Maybe a good driver to upgrade the Daughter Unit?

I was thinking a flip to me actually. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Rest easy, Kaleb.   Your lead is quite secure.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
January 23, 2020 at 11:37 AM
Dang. How many cars do you have now? You are getting out of control.



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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb says:

>Dang. How many cars do you have now? You are getting out of control.


Pot. Kettle. Black. 

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Dang. How many cars do you have now? You are getting out of control. 

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> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This car is pretty nice but I hate the white beige but whatever. Needs an 
> interior cleaning but really not bad, upholstery good.  Good tires. 184k mi. 
> A few little rusty ding spots on the paint On edges but easy enough to deal 
> with, or not l.  I put the OBD reader on it the only code was Glow plug 
> circuit A which probably means the GPs aren’t heating to start the car. 
> H. 
> 
> Young guy selling it has a shop, needed a starter apparently which he put on. 
> Spins but won’t fire. He thinks it’s the fuel pump or injection pump or 
> something as he said it wasn’t getting fuel in any injectors.  Could just be 
> GPS.  Worse deal I pull off the bits from the wrecked car.  
> 
> Something about being sent over from a transmission shop for the starter. Who 
> knows, no codes for any trans issues, maybe whoever just left it there. But 
> he got the title and a few dineros and a new battery in it so I guess it’s 
> reasonable. He doesn’t have time to fool with it. 
> 
> $500 I’m picking it up tomorrow. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40 relay,
>>> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
>>> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no start.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
 much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
 
 1200$
 Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
 Ran and drove perfect
 Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
 
 
 --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

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This car is pretty nice but I hate the white beige but whatever. Needs an 
interior cleaning but really not bad, upholstery good.  Good tires. 184k mi. A 
few little rusty ding spots on the paint On edges but easy enough to deal with, 
or not l.  I put the OBD reader on it the only code was Glow plug circuit A 
which probably means the GPs aren’t heating to start the car. H. 

Young guy selling it has a shop, needed a starter apparently which he put on. 
Spins but won’t fire. He thinks it’s the fuel pump or injection pump or 
something as he said it wasn’t getting fuel in any injectors.  Could just be 
GPS.  Worse deal I pull off the bits from the wrecked car.  

Something about being sent over from a transmission shop for the starter. Who 
knows, no codes for any trans issues, maybe whoever just left it there. But he 
got the title and a few dineros and a new battery in it so I guess it’s 
reasonable. He doesn’t have time to fool with it. 

$500 I’m picking it up tomorrow. 

--FT
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> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40 relay,
>> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
>> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no start.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
>>> 
>>> 1200$
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had an aunt and uncle like that, the automatic transmission was made for 
them...
Curt

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  On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 5:34 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   THat's why I question the diagnosis.   
But there are people who can ruin 
anything quickly.   Prof, Hodges needed to put a new clutch in their vw 
van once or twice a year. (in the late 70s)   Frau Hodges was seen often 
burning the clutch for any reason or no reason.  She was un-teachable.

> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> January 22, 2020 at 3:59 PM
> Looks pretty nice. Not sure I have heard of one needing a injection 
> pump especially at that low or miles.
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

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It’s up in the Creek. Gonna go look at it tomorrow 

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> On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40 relay,
> which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
> failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no start.
> -
> Max
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> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
>> much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
>> 
>> 1200$
>> Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
>> Ran and drove perfect
>> Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That does look like it's worth checking it out.  May even be the K40 relay,
which causes a no-start condition, fairly common problem.  I think the
failure mode is engine cranks but IP is held in OFF so no fuel, no start.
-
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> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white
> much but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
>
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

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THat's why I question the diagnosis.   But there are people who can ruin 
anything quickly.   Prof, Hodges needed to put a new clutch in their vw 
van once or twice a year. (in the late 70s)   Frau Hodges was seen often 
burning the clutch for any reason or no reason.  She was un-teachable.



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
January 22, 2020 at 3:59 PM
Looks pretty nice. Not sure I have heard of one needing a injection 
pump especially at that low or miles.




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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that's another possibility! May be even better probability than plugged 
filters.



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
January 22, 2020 at 4:03 PM
Yeah I’m wondering if it’s EGR like on the $500E300. Thing ran like 
crap  but was an easy fix. I think I’ll check it out.


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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

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Plugged fuel filters?


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January 22, 2020 at 3:53 PM
H I’ve got the smashed $500E300... do some swap. don’t like white 
much but it looks half nice. $500 would be more like it...


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/

1200$
Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
Ran and drove perfect
Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel


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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

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Yeah I’m wondering if it’s EGR like on the $500E300. Thing ran like crap  but 
was an easy fix. I think I’ll check it out. 

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> On Jan 22, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Looks pretty nice. Not sure I have heard of one needing a injection pump 
> especially at that low or miles. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white much 
>> but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
>> 
>> 1200$
>> Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
>> Ran and drove perfect
>> Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300

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Looks pretty nice. Not sure I have heard of one needing a injection pump 
especially at that low or miles. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white much 
> but it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/
> 
> 1200$
> Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
> Ran and drove perfect
> Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
> 
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[MBZ] 99 E300

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H I’ve got the smashed $500E300...  do some swap. don’t like white much but 
it looks half nice.   $500 would be more like it...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/172589444114706/

1200$
Needs injection pump or pump rebuild
Ran and drove perfect
Drivetrain good for 1million miles diesel
 

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

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Om606's are also known for glow plugs snapping off...

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On Jul 10, 2011, at 20:05, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 They salt the roads here too, and it seems that every winter they use
 more than the last.  I'm thinking the W210 are best avoided around here.
 
 Allan
 
 Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Cleveland Ohio. They salt the roads here but the other cars don't seem
 to mind as much. I am sure it would do much better down south.
 
 
 On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since then the rusting has increased logarithmically on the rest of the 
 car. It is impossible to keep up with it.
 
 Where are you located, Dave?
 
 Anecdotal evidence I've heard suggests that the 210s self-destruct the
 way you describe in salt country, but elsewhere do OK, although never
 as rust-resistant as the older or newer cars.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

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In my case one side had visible rust staining seeping through cracks in the 
paint. The other side had no visual indication of rust but there was plenty of 
it underneath the paint and adhesive goo they smeared over things. When I poked 
around hard enough the paint peeled off. The goo took a bit of work because 
they used so much. 

Since then the rusting has increased logarithmically on the rest of the car. It 
is impossible to keep up with it. The 82 240D and the 87 SDL's are doing just 
fine. 

-Dave Walton

On Jul 10, 2011, at 1:17 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 So it seems this is one that could have the rust issues... what I read
 about this is that you can't really tell if there is a rust problem
 without scraping off the body panel sealant that's used over the welds.
 Is the problem common enough to warrant doing that?
 
 There are actually two W210s here for sale for about this price, this
 one and an E320 4matic wagon.  Both are tempting in different ways.
 
 Allan
 
 
 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:
 
 This just popped up locally.  Thoughts on price?
 
 Are these the ones where the spring perches rust out?  What other common
 problems?
 
 Allan
 
 http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2485809907.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since then the rusting has increased logarithmically on the rest of the car. 
 It is impossible to keep up with it.

Where are you located, Dave?

Anecdotal evidence I've heard suggests that the 210s self-destruct the
way you describe in salt country, but elsewhere do OK, although never
as rust-resistant as the older or newer cars.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

[Dave Walton]

Cleveland Ohio. They salt the roads here but the other cars don't seem to mind 
as much. I am sure it would do much better down south. 


On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since then the rusting has increased logarithmically on the rest of the car. 
 It is impossible to keep up with it.
 
 Where are you located, Dave?
 
 Anecdotal evidence I've heard suggests that the 210s self-destruct the
 way you describe in salt country, but elsewhere do OK, although never
 as rust-resistant as the older or newer cars.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

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They salt the roads here too, and it seems that every winter they use
more than the last.  I'm thinking the W210 are best avoided around here.

Allan

Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com writes:

 Cleveland Ohio. They salt the roads here but the other cars don't seem
 to mind as much. I am sure it would do much better down south.


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 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since then the rusting has increased logarithmically on the rest of the 
 car. It is impossible to keep up with it.
 
 Where are you located, Dave?
 
 Anecdotal evidence I've heard suggests that the 210s self-destruct the
 way you describe in salt country, but elsewhere do OK, although never
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[MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

[Allan Streib]

This just popped up locally.  Thoughts on price?

Are these the ones where the spring perches rust out?  What other common
problems?

Allan

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2485809907.html

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

This just popped up locally.  Thoughts on price?

Are these the ones where the spring perches rust out?  What other common
problems?


They magnetically attract Chevy Impalas in grocery parking lots?
(at least the silver W210s do)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300 diesel?

[Allan Streib]

So it seems this is one that could have the rust issues... what I read
about this is that you can't really tell if there is a rust problem
without scraping off the body panel sealant that's used over the welds.
Is the problem common enough to warrant doing that?

There are actually two W210s here for sale for about this price, this
one and an E320 4matic wagon.  Both are tempting in different ways.

Allan


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 This just popped up locally.  Thoughts on price?

 Are these the ones where the spring perches rust out?  What other common
 problems?

 Allan

 http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2485809907.html

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Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Gabriel S.]

The W124 feels old in comparison.

Maybe because it is old.

Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Lee Levitt]

Aw crap, you're right. I just checked the title. This buggy was 
made in 1992!

Lee
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 The W124 feels old in comparison.
 
 Maybe because it is old.
 

[MBZ] '99 E300

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Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Desert Rat]

If you don't mind a little rust here and there, not a bad car.

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Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Gabriel S.]

If you don't mind a little rust here and there, not a bad car.

Yeah, I would never purchase an East Coast/Midwest or beach area car.

Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Gabriel S.]

I see you're from Southern California...Nice. I'm out in Riverside. They
tend to talk alot of trash about Californians around here. You ever do any
Diesel get togethers or drives?

Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[andrew strasfogel]

What rust? Where? The car is gorgeous.

On 11/15/05, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you don't mind a little rust here and there, not a bad car.

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Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

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On 11/15/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Mercedes-Benz-E300-DIESEL-NEW-CAR-TRADE-
WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ4590703343QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Nice car, and the lister is *sure* that the car has leather. 

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Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Desert Rat]

Cliff Notes edition:
210 models have become notorious for rusting around the inner door
jambs, engine crossmember pieces and some suspension support pieces
regardless where the MB is located. MB skipped a rust preventive dip
on these models.

It has been documented that a few original owners have had some
assistance from MB but not for the majority.

There is not a 210 in my future.

On 11/15/05, Lee Levitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/15/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
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 Nice car, and the lister is *sure* that the car has leather.

 Lee
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Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Lee Levitt]

 Cliff Notes edition:
 210 models have become notorious for rusting around the inner 
 door jambs, engine crossmember pieces and some suspension 
 support pieces regardless where the MB is located. MB skipped 
 a rust preventive dip
 on these models.
 
 It has been documented that a few original owners have had 
 some assistance from MB but not for the majority.
 
 There is not a 210 in my future.

It's a shame. They're beautiful cars, very nice drivers, substantially
better ergonomics and suspension than the W124 that I'm becoming familiar
with...

Interesting - I drove my wife's '96 A6 (C4) quattro wagon yesterday. First
time in about a month. That car is a good step ahead of my W124 in terms of
ergonomics, features, overall feel. The W124 feels old in comparison.

The W210 is a similar step ahead of the C4 Audi. And it makes sense...the
W124 was first brought out in this country in '87, the C4 Audi in '92, the
W210 in '96.

Oh, and I saw a listing for a UK 300D 4Matic owner's manual on ebay. I want
*that* car!

Lee
'93 300D 2.5L turbodiesel 179K

Re: [MBZ] '99 E300

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

All 210's seem to rust out in wierd places.

andrew strasfogel wrote:


What rust? Where? The car is gorgeous.

On 11/15/05, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


If you don't mind a little rust here and there, not a bad car.

On 11/15/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Mercedes-Benz-E300-DIESEL-NEW-CAR-TRADE-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ4590703343QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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