Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Kinda like going 110 in an older Dodge Dakota pickup... On Jan 6, 2011 4:23 PM, "E M" wrote: > We felt pretty brave squeezing 95 mph out of that old '76 300D. lol It > didn't feel unsafe, but it did feel as thought the car was reminding us, > what we were asking of it. > > Ed > 300E > > On 6 January 2011 15:50, John Reames wrote: > >> Ummm the turbo 606 engines will easily wind past that, but I think they >> become torque-limited at around 130. >> >> -- >> John W Reames >> jwrea...@comcast.net >> Home: +14106646986 >> Mobile: +14437915905 >> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 14:21, E M wrote: >> >> > Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche >> > Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the >> > length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all >> > that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. >> > >> > When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms >> on >> > the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it >> > loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long >> legs >> > for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel >> > economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. >> Not >> > just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. >> > >> > The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old >> > 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars >> and >> > planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier >> in >> > C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) >> > >> > Ed >> > 300E >> > >> > On 5 January 2011 11:42, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: >> > >> >> The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the >> >> diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the >> >> autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A >> >> class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D >> getting >> >> upto 85mph. >> >> >> >> Jaime >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M wrote: >> >> >> >>> Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German >> >>> manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their >> cars >> >> at >> >>> 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the >> >>> current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, >> >> find >> >>> the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. >> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
We felt pretty brave squeezing 95 mph out of that old '76 300D. lol It didn't feel unsafe, but it did feel as thought the car was reminding us, what we were asking of it. Ed 300E On 6 January 2011 15:50, John Reames wrote: > Ummm the turbo 606 engines will easily wind past that, but I think they > become torque-limited at around 130. > > -- > John W Reames > jwrea...@comcast.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 14:21, E M wrote: > > > Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche > > Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the > > length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all > > that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. > > > > When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms > on > > the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it > > loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long > legs > > for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel > > economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. > Not > > just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. > > > > The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old > > 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars > and > > planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier > in > > C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 5 January 2011 11:42, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > > > >> The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the > >> diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the > >> autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A > >> class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D > getting > >> upto 85mph. > >> > >> Jaime > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M wrote: > >> > >>> Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German > >>> manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their > cars > >> at > >>> 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the > >>> current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, > >> find > >>> the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. > >>> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Ummm the turbo 606 engines will easily wind past that, but I think they become torque-limited at around 130. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 5, 2011, at 14:21, E M wrote: > Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche > Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the > length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all > that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. > > When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms on > the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it > loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long legs > for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel > economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. Not > just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. > > The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old > 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars and > planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier in > C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) > > Ed > 300E > > On 5 January 2011 11:42, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > >> The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the >> diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the >> autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A >> class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D getting >> upto 85mph. >> >> Jaime >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M wrote: >> >>> Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German >>> manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars >> at >>> 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the >>> current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, >> find >>> the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Some of them have the limit (and several other parameters) stored in the instrument cluster--with the 210's, most of the "configuration" is stored in the cluster and the PSE (pneumatic pump under the rear seat) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:46, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! > > Walt > On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, "John Freer" wrote: >> Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual >> which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. >> >> Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! >> >> John >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: >>> Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how >>> you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> >>> On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: >>> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly > from >> the US >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better > tire >> life... >> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they > were > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's > just a guess. > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and > not > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why > we have > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > accelerating. > > RLE >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
yeah, there is that disgruntled English factory worker factor; the guy bolting the engine in, and doors on, to worry about. ;-) The English have a name for it, they say it gives the car charm and soul. Just as they call a bit or rust and worn leather, patina. The rest of the world just calls it crap quality control. hee hee. Gotta love the English. :-) I still want a mini. Ed 300E On 6 January 2011 10:29, Curt Raymond wrote: > A friend at work just dumped his Cooper for a Subaru Impreza (the hatchback > like Ken Block drives minus several hundred HP). He was concerned that as it > aged it was still just a car made by some English blokes with dubious > standards. He intends to keep the Subaru forever. > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:39:34 -0500 > From: E M > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I don't really NEED a mini-van, but it seems several of my friends feel I > need one. My mother advised me in a couple of years, when all the house > projects are finished, to dump the van and get a Mini Cooper S. She's a > pretty cool Mum! :-) > > Ed > 300E > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
A friend at work just dumped his Cooper for a Subaru Impreza (the hatchback like Ken Block drives minus several hundred HP). He was concerned that as it aged it was still just a car made by some English blokes with dubious standards. He intends to keep the Subaru forever. -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:39:34 -0500 From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't really NEED a mini-van, but it seems several of my friends feel I need one. My mother advised me in a couple of years, when all the house projects are finished, to dump the van and get a Mini Cooper S. She's a pretty cool Mum! :-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
You NEED a 2 day work week if you've got all that other stuff. I have a hard enough time with 3 cars, 2 motorcycles, 4 snowmobiles, a house and a camp... I've tried and tried to figure out how to convert to a 4 day work week (4x 10hr days) but considering what I do (corporate instructor) its not possible. Fortunately lately I've had some down time (not teaching I mean) and I've been able to work from home a lot. That ends next week... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:31:24 -0600 From: Fmiser To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: <20110105213124.10f5ed51.fmi...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Curt Raymond wrote: > LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and > I was struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for > their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, > he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most > folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while > the kids are small. Have you ever tried to move from the front seat to the back where the kids are to help them (a snack, the dropped toy, removing brother's fingers from hair, etc) in a sedan? Now try in a van - mini or not. Or try getting kids into car seats in the rain in a sedan. But I _really_ don't like working on a van, so there are none in my fleet. > Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between > "need" and "want" anymore... Oh so true!! I "need" at least three houses (primary house, lake house, mountain cabin), four boats (john boat, ski boat, cabin cruiser, and sail boat), eight cars, and a 2-day work week! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I'm actually getting smaller, I weigh the same now as I did when I graduated high school, so about 20# less than when I graduated college and 50# less than when I got laid off from my first job. I'd gained 30# in about 2 years, its taken me about 10 years to take the 50# back off... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:26:54 -0600 From: OK Don To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, I resemble that remark! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E M wrote: > I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. Ed > 300E -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I don't really NEED a mini-van, but it seems several of my friends feel I need one. My mother advised me in a couple of years, when all the house projects are finished, to dump the van and get a Mini Cooper S. She's a pretty cool Mum! :-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 22:31, Fmiser wrote: > > Curt Raymond wrote: > > > LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and > > I was struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for > > their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, > > he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most > > folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while > > the kids are small. > > Have you ever tried to move from the front seat to the back > where the kids are to help them (a snack, the dropped toy, > removing brother's fingers from hair, etc) in a sedan? > > Now try in a van - mini or not. > > Or try getting kids into car seats in the rain in a sedan. > > But I _really_ don't like working on a van, so there are none in > my fleet. > > > Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between > > "need" and "want" anymore... > > Oh so true!! I "need" at least three houses (primary house, > lake house, mountain cabin), four boats (john boat, ski boat, > cabin cruiser, and sail boat), eight cars, and a 2-day work week! > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
LOL. Until you find yourself shopping for a GL because you NEED the extra "leg room", don't worry about it. hee hee ;-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 21:26, OK Don wrote: > Hey, I resemble that remark! > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E M wrote: > > > I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. > > Ed > > 300E -- > > > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
> Curt Raymond wrote: > LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and > I was struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for > their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, > he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most > folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while > the kids are small. Have you ever tried to move from the front seat to the back where the kids are to help them (a snack, the dropped toy, removing brother's fingers from hair, etc) in a sedan? Now try in a van - mini or not. Or try getting kids into car seats in the rain in a sedan. But I _really_ don't like working on a van, so there are none in my fleet. > Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between > "need" and "want" anymore... Oh so true!! I "need" at least three houses (primary house, lake house, mountain cabin), four boats (john boat, ski boat, cabin cruiser, and sail boat), eight cars, and a 2-day work week! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
The Mercedes Technical Data book says that the top speed of the 300SDL is 175kph or 109mph, the 300D2.5T is 195kph or 121mph, and the 300E is 220kph or 136.7mph. I have the CoD at 0.28 for the W124 - same as the Chevy Volt - On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Jim Cathey wrote: > >> fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. >>> >> >> SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any >> of the OM603 cars of that vintage. >> >> > W124 was incredibly low drag for a 1987 car. Wouldn't surprise me if it had > 10mph on the SDL. > > Says here the 300E (188hp) would do 140mph and the 260E had 0.29 cd: > http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Mercedes/classic/W124.html > > Mitch. -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Jim Cathey wrote: fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage. W124 was incredibly low drag for a 1987 car. Wouldn't surprise me if it had 10mph on the SDL. Says here the 300E (188hp) would do 140mph and the 260E had 0.29 cd: http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Mercedes/classic/W124.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I can vouch that both the SDL and 300D 2.5T can well exceed 100 --- On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. >> > > SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any > of the OM603 cars of that vintage. > > -- Jim -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Don't let it worry you too much Ed. It's only a compensation if you have a need for one. If what you have is a need for speed then it's an obsession. Manfred the obsessed one. At least it's better then being possessed. On the other hand being possessed by a young intelligent very rich woman may not be all that bad, like I've got a chance of that happening. Well I can dream. Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:50 -0500 From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Hey, I resemble that remark! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E M wrote: > I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. Ed > 300E -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
What Randy said. We use our Plymouth Grand Voyager both to haul lots of kids (they're grown now - have spouses and more luggage) and lumber, M117 engines, etc. It will carry 4x8 sheets of plywood flat on the floor, in the rain, etc. It's hauled a LOT of 8x8x16 concrete blocks for my wife's garden bed projects. The only bad part is that my wife likes driving it so much, that she'll drive it instead of a 300D 2.5T -- thus burning way too much fuel, is less safe, etc. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:42 AM, R A Bennell wrote: > Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families > and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and > capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is > now considered a family car. I am only 5'8" and about 200# and I have a hard > time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low > and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A > van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason > why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there > is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one > of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is > designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard > waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside > it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as > well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have > tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I > think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so > we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would > cheerfully have a Honda van. > > Randy -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Even owning a pickup truck (Ranger, the last of the mini-trucks) I find the absolute best thing for hauling plywood is my snowmobile trailer, low to the ground and plenty big enough. My old one is 6x8, new one I'll hopefully be picking up this weekend is 8x8'. -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:26:32 -0500 From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. I won't tell you I bought a minivan a couple of years ago. *blush*. I have little use for such a thing, but I wanted to do a few renovations around the house, and figured over the next few years, it would be handy. But you're right, hard to justify hauling all the metal around most days, for the odd time I carry a few sheets of plywood or drywall home. I don't even own a dog, or have any kids. Mind you, just before winter hits, and it's time everyone starts switching their summer tires over to their winter tires, and they need a ride to the dealer, I'm everybody's best friend! lol. My popularity repeats itself in the Spring-time too. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Kid seats have gotten a LOT bigger too. How did we ever survive without so much "safety"? -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:23:57 -0500 From: Tim C To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the > Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. New Prius is bigger. My in-laws have the old version, and weren't able to put 2 infant seats in at the same time - can't put the front seats up enough to clear, so you have to use the middle. I think our Focus wagon was the same but that was a long time ago, and we only had one seat. We found that 2 infant seats are okay for the Volvo / Benz, but they are too wide for a third. With the kids in boosters we can get 3 in the 123, but the seat cup holders can't be out and it is a challenge to get the belts. Same problem in our Escape. Fortunately we don't have 3 boosters in the car frequently. It would be tough to have a middle infant seat and a booster, given the 'arms' on the infant carriers. Our boostered kids (6 and 7) are getting too big for the back of the 123 when I'm driving (seat all the way back); there just isn't enough room for their feet to be straight, and they aren't tall enough to actually put feet on the floor. The SDL does not have that problem. :) The Chevy Malibu that we're renting this week can only hold 2 boosters, so my son got to ride in the front for what might have been the first time ever. It only gets 28-29MPG, admittedly mostly city. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had my '85 190D up to ~90mph once but didn't dare go any faster for legal reasons, it had more to go I think... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:21:51 -0500 From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms on the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long legs for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. Not just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars and planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier in C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. I won't tell you I bought a minivan a couple of years ago. *blush*. I have little use for such a thing, but I wanted to do a few renovations around the house, and figured over the next few years, it would be handy. But you're right, hard to justify hauling all the metal around most days, for the odd time I carry a few sheets of plywood or drywall home. I don't even own a dog, or have any kids. Mind you, just before winter hits, and it's time everyone starts switching their summer tires over to their winter tires, and they need a ride to the dealer, I'm everybody's best friend! lol. My popularity repeats itself in the Spring-time too. ;-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 14:10, Curt Raymond wrote: > The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the > Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. > > I'm not saying minvans aren't useful I'm saying for most people driving a > big vehicle to go to work isn't as practical as they think it is. All they > see is the space "for when I need it" not the massive amount of fuel it eats > every single time you drive anywhere, empty or loaded. > > Strangely the older I get the smaller a car I want. I'm digging commuting > in a 190D again. When the Fiat 500 finally hits our shores I'm at least > going to try one. > > Its the same with horsepower I was reading "Automobile" this morning (I get > it free) and they called 180HP "anemic". > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:42:07 -0600 > From: R A Bennell > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors > Message-ID: <4d249f5f.8070...@mts.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for > families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in > size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A > Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8" and about > 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof > lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics > that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to > get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks > driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take > the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and > go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My > neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul > to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with > your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the > luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my > best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it > would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we > don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I > would cheerfully have a Honda van. > > Randy > > > > On 05/01/2011 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > > LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was > struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for their one or > two kids. > > My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a > mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large > sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. > > > > Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between "need" and > "want" anymore... > > > > -Curt > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the > Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. New Prius is bigger. My in-laws have the old version, and weren't able to put 2 infant seats in at the same time - can't put the front seats up enough to clear, so you have to use the middle. I think our Focus wagon was the same but that was a long time ago, and we only had one seat. We found that 2 infant seats are okay for the Volvo / Benz, but they are too wide for a third. With the kids in boosters we can get 3 in the 123, but the seat cup holders can't be out and it is a challenge to get the belts. Same problem in our Escape. Fortunately we don't have 3 boosters in the car frequently. It would be tough to have a middle infant seat and a booster, given the 'arms' on the infant carriers. Our boostered kids (6 and 7) are getting too big for the back of the 123 when I'm driving (seat all the way back); there just isn't enough room for their feet to be straight, and they aren't tall enough to actually put feet on the floor. The SDL does not have that problem. :) The Chevy Malibu that we're renting this week can only hold 2 boosters, so my son got to ride in the front for what might have been the first time ever. It only gets 28-29MPG, admittedly mostly city. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms on the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long legs for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. Not just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars and planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier in C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 11:42, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the > diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the > autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A > class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D getting > upto 85mph. > > Jaime > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M wrote: > > > Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German > > manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars > at > > 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the > > current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, > find > > the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. > > > > There is a delete option on some AMG models, that removes, or adjusts the > > limiter. Not sure if it's offered on North American models, but I think > it > > moves the cap from 155, up to 187 or something?? Anyone know the > details? > > It's only available on the AMG models, as they have addressed most of the > > limitations with their modifications. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 5 January 2011 09:46, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > > > > > Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! > > > > > > Walt > > > On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, "John Freer" wrote: > > > > Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual > > > > which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. > > > > > > > > Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: > > > >> Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't > ask > > > how > > > >> you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee > > > >> > > > >> Ed > > > >> 300E > > > >> > > > >> On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 > > MPH. > > > >>> My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! > > > >>> > > > >>> John > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > > > >>> >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have > higher > > > >>> levels > > > >>> >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear > > (mostly > > > from > > > >>> >> the US > > > >>> >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give > better > > > tire > > > >>> >> life... > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires > > and > > > >>> they > > > >>> > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that > they > > > were > > > >>> > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in > > their > > > >>> plans. > > > >>> > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems > > but > > > >>> that's > > > >>> > just a guess. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper > and > > > not > > > >>> > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is > > why > > > we > > > >>> have > > > >>> > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain > models. > > > My > > > >>> C300 > > > >>> > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just > > stops > > > >>> > accelerating. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > RLE > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > ___ > > > >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >>> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> ___ > > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >>> > > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. I'm not saying minvans aren't useful I'm saying for most people driving a big vehicle to go to work isn't as practical as they think it is. All they see is the space "for when I need it" not the massive amount of fuel it eats every single time you drive anywhere, empty or loaded. Strangely the older I get the smaller a car I want. I'm digging commuting in a 190D again. When the Fiat 500 finally hits our shores I'm at least going to try one. Its the same with horsepower I was reading "Automobile" this morning (I get it free) and they called 180HP "anemic". -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:42:07 -0600 From: R A Bennell To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: <4d249f5f.8070...@mts.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8" and about 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would cheerfully have a Honda van. Randy On 05/01/2011 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for their one or two kids. > My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. > > Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between "need" and > "want" anymore... > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D getting upto 85mph. Jaime On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M wrote: > Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German > manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars at > 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the > current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, find > the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. > > There is a delete option on some AMG models, that removes, or adjusts the > limiter. Not sure if it's offered on North American models, but I think it > moves the cap from 155, up to 187 or something?? Anyone know the details? > It's only available on the AMG models, as they have addressed most of the > limitations with their modifications. > > Ed > 300E > > On 5 January 2011 09:46, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > > > Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! > > > > Walt > > On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, "John Freer" wrote: > > > Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual > > > which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. > > > > > > Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! > > > > > > John > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: > > >> Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask > > how > > >> you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee > > >> > > >> Ed > > >> 300E > > >> > > >> On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > > >> > > >>> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 > MPH. > > >>> My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! > > >>> > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > > >>> >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher > > >>> levels > > >>> >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear > (mostly > > from > > >>> >> the US > > >>> >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better > > tire > > >>> >> life... > > >>> >> > > >>> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires > and > > >>> they > > >>> > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they > > were > > >>> > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in > their > > >>> plans. > > >>> > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems > but > > >>> that's > > >>> > just a guess. > > >>> > > > >>> > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and > > not > > >>> > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is > why > > we > > >>> have > > >>> > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. > > My > > >>> C300 > > >>> > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just > stops > > >>> > accelerating. > > >>> > > > >>> > RLE > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > ___ > > >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com > > >>> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >>> > > > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >>> > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change d
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8" and about 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would cheerfully have a Honda van. Randy On 05/01/2011 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between "need" and "want" anymore... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:50 -0500 From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even without the limiters, you're never going to see the top speed of a car on a track, the straights just aren't long enough. Well, unless you're driving down the old Mulsanne straight at Le Mans, before they put the girlie kink in the middle to slow people down, a little. hee hee Even on really fast cars, you need a long straight bit of road to squeeze out those last mph. Even with big HP cars, you know what they say about the power requirements going up exponentially in regards to top speed. If 600 HP will get you to 200 mph, if you want to go another 20 mph on top of that, you need to add 200+ more HP. The air becomes your enemy, and the balance between punching through it, and keeping the car on the road at the same time, is paid for with lots of HP! hee hee As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:56, Curt Raymond wrote: Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who "need" a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between "need" and "want" anymore... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:50 -0500 From: E M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even without the limiters, you're never going to see the top speed of a car on a track, the straights just aren't long enough. Well, unless you're driving down the old Mulsanne straight at Le Mans, before they put the girlie kink in the middle to slow people down, a little. hee hee Even on really fast cars, you need a long straight bit of road to squeeze out those last mph. Even with big HP cars, you know what they say about the power requirements going up exponentially in regards to top speed. If 600 HP will get you to 200 mph, if you want to go another 20 mph on top of that, you need to add 200+ more HP. The air becomes your enemy, and the balance between punching through it, and keeping the car on the road at the same time, is paid for with lots of HP! hee hee As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:56, Curt Raymond wrote: > Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? > > Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Even without the limiters, you're never going to see the top speed of a car on a track, the straights just aren't long enough. Well, unless you're driving down the old Mulsanne straight at Le Mans, before they put the girlie kink in the middle to slow people down, a little. hee hee Even on really fast cars, you need a long straight bit of road to squeeze out those last mph. Even with big HP cars, you know what they say about the power requirements going up exponentially in regards to top speed. If 600 HP will get you to 200 mph, if you want to go another 20 mph on top of that, you need to add 200+ more HP. The air becomes your enemy, and the balance between punching through it, and keeping the car on the road at the same time, is paid for with lots of HP! hee hee As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:56, Curt Raymond wrote: > Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? > > Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:37:39 -0800 > From: John Freer > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. > My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! > > John > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher > levels > >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from > >> the US > >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire > >> life... > >> > > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and > they > > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were > > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their > plans. > > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but > that's > > just a guess. > > > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not > > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we > have > > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My > C300 > > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > > accelerating. > > > > RLE > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars at 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, find the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. There is a delete option on some AMG models, that removes, or adjusts the limiter. Not sure if it's offered on North American models, but I think it moves the cap from 155, up to 187 or something?? Anyone know the details? It's only available on the AMG models, as they have addressed most of the limitations with their modifications. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:46, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! > > Walt > On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, "John Freer" wrote: > > Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual > > which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. > > > > Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! > > > > John > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: > >> Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask > how > >> you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee > >> > >> Ed > >> 300E > >> > >> On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > >> > >>> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. > >>> My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > >>> >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher > >>> levels > >>> >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly > from > >>> >> the US > >>> >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better > tire > >>> >> life... > >>> >> > >>> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and > >>> they > >>> > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they > were > >>> > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their > >>> plans. > >>> > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but > >>> that's > >>> > just a guess. > >>> > > >>> > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and > not > >>> > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why > we > >>> have > >>> > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. > My > >>> C300 > >>> > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > >>> > accelerating. > >>> > > >>> > RLE > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > ___ > >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:37:39 -0800 From: John Freer To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from >> the US >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire >> life... >> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's > just a guess. > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > accelerating. > > RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! Walt On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, "John Freer" wrote: > Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual > which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. > > Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! > > John > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: >> Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how >> you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: >> >>> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. >>> My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >>> >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher >>> levels >>> >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from >>> >> the US >>> >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire >>> >> life... >>> >> >>> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and >>> they >>> > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were >>> > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their >>> plans. >>> > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but >>> that's >>> > just a guess. >>> > >>> > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not >>> > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we >>> have >>> > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My >>> C300 >>> > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops >>> > accelerating. >>> > >>> > RLE >>> >> >>> >> >>> > ___ >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: > Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how > you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee > > Ed > 300E > > On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > >> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. >> My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! >> >> John >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher >> levels >> >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from >> >> the US >> >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire >> >> life... >> >> >> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and >> they >> > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were >> > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their >> plans. >> > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but >> that's >> > just a guess. >> > >> > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not >> > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we >> have >> > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My >> C300 >> > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops >> > accelerating. >> > >> > RLE >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. > My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! > > John > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher > levels > >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from > >> the US > >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire > >> life... > >> > > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and > they > > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were > > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their > plans. > > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but > that's > > just a guess. > > > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not > > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we > have > > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My > C300 > > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > > accelerating. > > > > RLE > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from >> the US >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire >> life... >> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's > just a guess. > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > accelerating. > > RLE >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels > of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from > the US > market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire > life... > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
