Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Last I knew electrolux owned the whirly pool.

Nope. Separate conglomerates.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_Corporation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolux


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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yep, back then they were good and not outrageous priced.   Even in the 
70s they were pricy, but good.



Craig via Mercedes 
November 20, 2019 at 2:57 PM
On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:20:20 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes

The mainstay of my toolbox is the Craftsman tools I bought to work on my
newly-purchased 1959 Alfa Romeo Giuletta Spyder Veloce in 1968. I have
added tools since then, but these still work well.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Snears was in a downward spiral 50 years ago.  The gravity pulled it 
down faster the lower it went.   no tears.   It was self inflicted.


Crapsman hand tools were the last bastion of kwality at snears, until 
maybe 20 years ago.

G Mann via Mercedes 
November 20, 2019 at 10:20 AM
Craftsman tool company had an exclusive contract with Sears Sears is
now an invisible company... the mighty giant retail company is kaput...
So, Craftsman tools is apparently seeking new outlets and markets.
To bad, their reputation for quality is no longer earned.. they were good.


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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:20:20 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craftsman tool company had an exclusive contract with Sears Sears is
> now an invisible company... the mighty giant retail company is kaput...
> So, Craftsman tools is apparently seeking new outlets and markets.
> To[o] bad, their reputation for quality is no longer earned.. they were
> good.

The mainstay of my toolbox is the Craftsman tools I bought to work on my
newly-purchased 1959 Alfa Romeo Giuletta Spyder Veloce in 1968. I have
added tools since then, but these still work well.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes and Costco

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Costco have this set on sale until tomorrow, I got one similar a coupla 
years ago, it is a nice set to carry in the car, tools are pretty well 
made.  I might get another one, $80 is a decent price.  I guess they are 
all chinesium but they work pretty well.


https://www.costco.com/.product.100507719.html?=B2C_2019_1120_DealsEnding





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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Craftsman tool company had an exclusive contract with Sears Sears is
now an invisible company... the mighty giant retail company is kaput...
So, Craftsman tools is apparently seeking new outlets and markets.
To bad, their reputation for quality is no longer earned.. they were good.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:05 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> but I don't know who bought stanley and resurrected it.   So far
> crapsman is in napa, Ace and lowes.   Whoever bought crapsman, they are
> getting it in retail spots, but so far nothing done to improve quality
> or reputation. (or price) I'll stick with HF, thanks.
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 10:20 AM:
> > On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:39:34 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I thought Stanley bought Craftsman a few years ago and was recently
> >> making moves to return production to USA.
> > I received the attached in an email this morning.
> >
> > I thought Lowe's bought Craftsman.
> >
> > Now I am confused.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, he lives in a swamp. Nobody does any work there.   The giant sucking 
sound is all the swamp dwellers sucking money out of your pocket.


Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 11:14 AM:

What! Do you live under a rock!





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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

but I don't know who bought stanley and resurrected it.   So far 
crapsman is in napa, Ace and lowes.   Whoever bought crapsman, they are 
getting it in retail spots, but so far nothing done to improve quality 
or reputation. (or price) I'll stick with HF, thanks.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 10:20 AM:

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:39:34 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:


I thought Stanley bought Craftsman a few years ago and was recently
making moves to return production to USA.

I received the attached in an email this morning.

I thought Lowe's bought Craftsman.

Now I am confused.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oct 24, 2017 Stanley Black & Decker has chosen Lowe's as the next retail 
destination for its Craftsman brand, which it bought from Sears Holdings 
earlier this year. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/stanley-black-and-decker-taps-lowes-to-sell-the-craftsman-tool-brand.html


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Quality and Innovation. With Stanley Black & Decker, the CRAFTSMAN legacy 
continues.
Follow us as we journey across America introducing new products and opening new 
plants.
https://www.craftsman.com/whereitsmade

5-15-2019:
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manufacturing footprint with a new CRAFTSMAN manufacturing plant in Fort Worth, 
TX. The groundbreaking for the 425,000-square-foot facility will take place in 
summer 2019, and the plant is expected to be completed in late 2020.
https://www.stanleyblackanddecker.com/article/stanley-black-decker-announces-opening-new-craftsman-plant-fort-worth-texas

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What! Do you live under a rock!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I never knew about HF stores. I will go have a look.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 12:07 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm more impressed with Harbor Freight all the time. Bought a 1/2 inch
>> torque wrench from them... less than $14  tested it for calibration and
>> it was within 3% .. used it is for a year on wheel lugs and a few other
>> projects... then it failed internally.
>> Walked into the local Harbor Freight store with it... said .. "It
>> failed"... they said... go get a new one... no charge... Thank you..
>> 
>> They are acting like the old Sears tool people on tool guarantee.  Quality
>> good enough for most jobs... My thousand dollar set of Snap On wrenches
>> stay in the drawer.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:30 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the
>>> money.
>>> When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF
>>> ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3'
>>> cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
>>> 
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware
>>> also.They have not
>>> warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier
>>> now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and
>>> wrenches for 3x list price.
>>> 
>>> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
>>> 
>>> As for HF insider: NO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
 I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
 Inside Track Club.
 
 Is this worth it?
 
 I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes
>> has
 bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing
>> tools.
 They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I
>> had
 seen in the past.
 
 
 Craig
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[OK Don via Mercedes]

According to Wikipedia, "In March 2017, Stanley Black & Decker acquired the
Craftsman brand from Sears Holdings, which retained a limited license for
Craftsman products[1]
. Sears
maintains the right to manufacture and sell tools using existing supply
channels under the Craftsman name for 15 years after the deal closed."
and -
"Craftsman tools are sold in Sears  and
sister store Kmart ,[11]
 as well
as US military Army and Air Force Exchange Service
 stores,
[12]  Navy
Exchange  stores, Summit
Racing Equipment
, Blain's
Farm & Fleet ,
Menards , W. W. Grainger
, Ace Hardware
,[*citation needed
*] Montgomery Ward
,[13]
 Lowes
[14]
,
and Orchard Supply Hardware
."

I guess NAPA just joined that group ...


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:22 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:39:34 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I thought Stanley bought Craftsman a few years ago and was recently
> > making moves to return production to USA.
>
> I received the attached in an email this morning.
>
> I thought Lowe's bought Craftsman.
>
> Now I am confused.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I never knew about HF stores. I will go have a look.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 12:07 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I'm more impressed with Harbor Freight all the time. Bought a 1/2 inch
> torque wrench from them... less than $14  tested it for calibration and
> it was within 3% .. used it is for a year on wheel lugs and a few other
> projects... then it failed internally.
> Walked into the local Harbor Freight store with it... said .. "It
> failed"... they said... go get a new one... no charge... Thank you..
>
> They are acting like the old Sears tool people on tool guarantee.  Quality
> good enough for most jobs... My thousand dollar set of Snap On wrenches
> stay in the drawer.
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:30 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the
> > money.
> > When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF
> > ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3'
> > cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware
> > also.They have not
> > warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier
> > now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and
> > wrenches for 3x list price.
> >
> > Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
> >
> > As for HF insider: NO
> >
> >
> > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
> > > I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
> > > Inside Track Club.
> > >
> > > Is this worth it?
> > >
> > > I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes
> has
> > > bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing
> tools.
> > > They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I
> had
> > > seen in the past.
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'm more impressed with Harbor Freight all the time. Bought a 1/2 inch
torque wrench from them... less than $14  tested it for calibration and
it was within 3% .. used it is for a year on wheel lugs and a few other
projects... then it failed internally.
Walked into the local Harbor Freight store with it... said .. "It
failed"... they said... go get a new one... no charge... Thank you..

They are acting like the old Sears tool people on tool guarantee.  Quality
good enough for most jobs... My thousand dollar set of Snap On wrenches
stay in the drawer.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:30 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the
> money.
> When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF
> ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3'
> cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware
> also.They have not
> warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier
> now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and
> wrenches for 3x list price.
>
> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
>
> As for HF insider: NO
>
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
> > I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
> > Inside Track Club.
> >
> > Is this worth it?
> >
> > I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
> > bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
> > They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
> > seen in the past.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have never had one fail in the last decade or more. The first crappy ones 
they used to have I had a few of those fail. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have purchased one HF ratchet, a stubby 3/8” drive that was one of their 
> “high end” or more expensive models. It lasted maybe six months, used 
> possibly 10-12 times, none of which stressed it significantly, it was used to 
> spin off fasteners in areas with limited space, like the top bolt on motor 
> mounts, after they had been broken loose.
> 
> The reverse lever has failed in that it doesn’t select the direction, you 
> have to fiddle with it and maybe it will do the job, and the ratcheting 
> action is sloppy as heck. No doubt internal failures, but I’m not buying 
> another.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the 
>> money.
>> When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF 
>> ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3' 
>> cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace 
>> hardware also.They have not 
>> warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier 
>> now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and 
>> wrenches for 3x list price.
>> 
>> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
>> 
>> As for HF insider: NO
>> 
>> 
>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
>>> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
>>> Inside Track Club.
>>> 
>>> Is this worth it?
>>> 
>>> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
>>> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
>>> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
>>> seen in the past.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

better than trying to fix a crapsman rachet, or trying to get snappy to 
warrant one of theirs.   I have a pile of snappy's stuff they need to 
exchange, but the last time I tracked down snappy, he wouldn't warrent 
anything.   Claimed he didn't have a replacement for any.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 11/18/19 7:29 AM:

HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the money.
When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF 
ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3' 
cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.

Curt





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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I have purchased one HF ratchet, a stubby 3/8” drive that was one of their 
“high end” or more expensive models. It lasted maybe six months, used possibly 
10-12 times, none of which stressed it significantly, it was used to spin off 
fasteners in areas with limited space, like the top bolt on motor mounts, after 
they had been broken loose.

The reverse lever has failed in that it doesn’t select the direction, you have 
to fiddle with it and maybe it will do the job, and the ratcheting action is 
sloppy as heck. No doubt internal failures, but I’m not buying another.

-D



> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the 
> money.
> When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF 
> ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3' 
> cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace 
> hardware also.They have not 
> warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier 
> now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and 
> wrenches for 3x list price.
> 
> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
> 
> As for HF insider: NO
> 
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
>> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
>> Inside Track Club.
>> 
>> Is this worth it?
>> 
>> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
>> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
>> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
>> seen in the past.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I put Mobil 1 wheel bearing grease, the pink stuff, into one. Worked 
surprisingly well. The teeth on that one we're good, it just didn't ratchet. I 
cleaned and lubed it and it was back to work...
Curt

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  On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 9:09 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via 
Mercedes wrote:   And use permatex 81950 aka RLL (red 
lube of love) in those craftsman RHFT ratchets:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/permatex-engine-assembly-lube-4-oz-81950/12028851-p?c3ch=PLA=12028851-P=pla_with_promotion_channel=online_code==aw.ds&=EAIaIQobChMIx7KB4tXy5QIVC2yGCh2HdgQfEAQYASABEgIPv_D_BwE

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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like there are all kinds of them on eBay. I’ve got to check model 
> numbers and get some ordered. I need a 3/8 and 1/4 ratchet rebuilt. My just 
> buy a 1/2” kit while I’m at it to have one on hand.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Still scrap if the rachet is broken.  Unless someone has a source for the 
>> rachet repair kits...
>> 
>> A working crappy cheep chinee rachet is better than a dead crapsman 
>> non-racheting paperweight.
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 6:19 PM:
>>> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
>>> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. 
>>> If you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do 
>>> not swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
>>> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the money.
When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF 
ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3' 
cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.

Curt

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  On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace 
hardware also.    They have not 
warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier 
now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and 
wrenches for 3x list price.

Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.

As for HF insider: NO


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
> Inside Track Club.
>
> Is this worth it?
>
> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
> seen in the past.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

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BTW, sometimes just cleaning and lubing ratchets fixes the skipping and jamming!

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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like there are all kinds of them on eBay. I’ve got to check model 
> numbers and get some ordered. I need a 3/8 and 1/4 ratchet rebuilt. My just 
> buy a 1/2” kit while I’m at it to have one on hand.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Still scrap if the rachet is broken.   Unless someone has a source for the 
>> rachet repair kits...
>> 
>> A working crappy cheep chinee rachet is better than a dead crapsman 
>> non-racheting paperweight.
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 6:19 PM:
>>> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
>>> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. 
>>> If you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do 
>>> not swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
>>> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

And use permatex 81950 aka RLL (red lube of love) in those craftsman RHFT 
ratchets:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/permatex-engine-assembly-lube-4-oz-81950/12028851-p?c3ch=PLA=12028851-P=pla_with_promotion_channel=online_code==aw.ds&=EAIaIQobChMIx7KB4tXy5QIVC2yGCh2HdgQfEAQYASABEgIPv_D_BwE

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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like there are all kinds of them on eBay. I’ve got to check model 
> numbers and get some ordered. I need a 3/8 and 1/4 ratchet rebuilt. My just 
> buy a 1/2” kit while I’m at it to have one on hand.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Still scrap if the rachet is broken.   Unless someone has a source for the 
>> rachet repair kits...
>> 
>> A working crappy cheep chinee rachet is better than a dead crapsman 
>> non-racheting paperweight.
>> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 6:19 PM:
>>> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
>>> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. 
>>> If you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do 
>>> not swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
>>> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Friend of mine has the looong version (18-20") of this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174062074481

Needs rebuilding. He tried to get it fixed about 20 years ago and the guy at 
Sears just wanted to swap it out for a short one.

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I got a lot of great Inside Track deals in the 1980s and 1990s, many of them on 
actual name brand items like Blackhawk jack stands.
I don't recall why I dropped it about 25 years ago. 

I thought Stanley bought Craftsman a few years ago and was recently making 
moves to return production to USA.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like there are all kinds of them on eBay. I’ve got to check model numbers 
and get some ordered. I need a 3/8 and 1/4 ratchet rebuilt. My just buy a 1/2” 
kit while I’m at it to have one on hand.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Still scrap if the rachet is broken.   Unless someone has a source for the 
> rachet repair kits...
> 
> A working crappy cheep chinee rachet is better than a dead crapsman 
> non-racheting paperweight.
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 6:19 PM:
>> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
>> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. If 
>> you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do not 
>> swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
>> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

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https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-392580.html

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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Still scrap if the rachet is broken.   Unless someone has a source for the 
> rachet repair kits...
> 
> A working crappy cheep chinee rachet is better than a dead crapsman 
> non-racheting paperweight.
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 6:19 PM:
>> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
>> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. If 
>> you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do not 
>> swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
>> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Still scrap if the rachet is broken.   Unless someone has a source for 
the rachet repair kits...


A working crappy cheep chinee rachet is better than a dead crapsman 
non-racheting paperweight.


Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 6:19 PM:

Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you look 
online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. If you 
have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do not swap it 
out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:

https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE





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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

These are considered the 240D of ratchets. Very tough!

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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup, that’s one of mine. They’re all round head ratchets. Guess now I need to 
> look for rebuild kits…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:19 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
>> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. If 
>> you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do not 
>> swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
>> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just googled this and it seems that the (Lowe’s) stores are misinformed. 
>>> Corporate says they’ll honor “all lifetime warranties no matter where the 
>>> Craftsman tool was purchased.”
>>> 
>>> https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/will-lowes-honor-craftsman-lifetime-warranties
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guess I’m heading back over there some time soon with a copy of this 
>>> article and my ratchets.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 Neither Ace nor Lowe’s will honor warranties on my Craftsman tools, many 
 of which are second generation tools. I’ve got two ratchets that are worn 
 out right now and need the little rebuild kits they used to give you. Both 
 retailers told me “tough beans” when I asked for replacement parts or even 
 a replacement ratchet for both.
 
 -D
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware also.They have not warranted 
> a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier now.   On 
> fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and wrenches for 3x 
> list price.
> 
> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
> 
> As for HF insider: NO
> 
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
>> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
>> Inside Track Club.
>> 
>> Is this worth it?
>> 
>> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
>> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
>> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
>> seen in the past.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

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Yup, that’s one of mine. They’re all round head ratchets. Guess now I need to 
look for rebuild kits…

-D


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:19 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you 
> look online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. If 
> you have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do not 
> swap it out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
> Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE
>  
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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
>> I just googled this and it seems that the (Lowe’s) stores are misinformed. 
>> Corporate says they’ll honor “all lifetime warranties no matter where the 
>> Craftsman tool was purchased.”
>> 
>> https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/will-lowes-honor-craftsman-lifetime-warranties
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Guess I’m heading back over there some time soon with a copy of this article 
>> and my ratchets.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Neither Ace nor Lowe’s will honor warranties on my Craftsman tools, many of 
>>> which are second generation tools. I’ve got two ratchets that are worn out 
>>> right now and need the little rebuild kits they used to give you. Both 
>>> retailers told me “tough beans” when I asked for replacement parts or even 
>>> a replacement ratchet for both.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware also.They have not warranted 
 a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier now.   On 
 fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and wrenches for 3x 
 list price.
 
 Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
 
 As for HF insider: NO
 
 
 Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
> Inside Track Club.
> 
> Is this worth it?
> 
> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
> seen in the past.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Yeah but they’ll swap your worn out ratchets with Asian made ones. If you look 
online, you might be able to buy rebuild kits for your USA ratchets. If you 
have a vintage craftsman RHFT (round head fine tooth) ratchet, do not swap it 
out as these are quite desirable and valuable!
Here is an example of a RHFT ratchet:

https://www.ebay.com/i/113902799468?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=113902799468=596465665188=m=pla=9058761==6470719151=77538520277=pla-596465665188=1140476=119240224=EAIaIQobChMIjpyt-r3y5QIVDYiGCh0jWAUEEAQYBiABEgLeN_D_BwE

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> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just googled this and it seems that the (Lowe’s) stores are misinformed. 
> Corporate says they’ll honor “all lifetime warranties no matter where the 
> Craftsman tool was purchased.”
> 
> https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/will-lowes-honor-craftsman-lifetime-warranties
> 
> Guess I’m heading back over there some time soon with a copy of this article 
> and my ratchets.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Neither Ace nor Lowe’s will honor warranties on my Craftsman tools, many of 
>> which are second generation tools. I’ve got two ratchets that are worn out 
>> right now and need the little rebuild kits they used to give you. Both 
>> retailers told me “tough beans” when I asked for replacement parts or even a 
>> replacement ratchet for both.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware also.They have not warranted a 
>>> tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier now.   On 
>>> fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and wrenches for 3x 
>>> list price.
>>> 
>>> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
>>> 
>>> As for HF insider: NO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
 I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
 Inside Track Club.
 
 Is this worth it?
 
 I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
 bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
 They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
 seen in the past.
 
 
 Craig
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just googled this and it seems that the (Lowe’s) stores are misinformed. 
Corporate says they’ll honor “all lifetime warranties no matter where the 
Craftsman tool was purchased.”

https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/will-lowes-honor-craftsman-lifetime-warranties

Guess I’m heading back over there some time soon with a copy of this article 
and my ratchets.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Neither Ace nor Lowe’s will honor warranties on my Craftsman tools, many of 
> which are second generation tools. I’ve got two ratchets that are worn out 
> right now and need the little rebuild kits they used to give you. Both 
> retailers told me “tough beans” when I asked for replacement parts or even a 
> replacement ratchet for both.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware also.They have not warranted a 
>> tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier now.   On 
>> fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and wrenches for 3x 
>> list price.
>> 
>> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
>> 
>> As for HF insider: NO
>> 
>> 
>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
>>> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
>>> Inside Track Club.
>>> 
>>> Is this worth it?
>>> 
>>> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
>>> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
>>> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
>>> seen in the past.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Neither Ace nor Lowe’s will honor warranties on my Craftsman tools, many of 
which are second generation tools. I’ve got two ratchets that are worn out 
right now and need the little rebuild kits they used to give you. Both 
retailers told me “tough beans” when I asked for replacement parts or even a 
replacement ratchet for both.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware also.They have not warranted a 
> tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier now.   On fleabay, 
> clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and wrenches for 3x list price.
> 
> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
> 
> As for HF insider: NO
> 
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
>> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
>> Inside Track Club.
>> 
>> Is this worth it?
>> 
>> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
>> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
>> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
>> seen in the past.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware also.    They have not 
warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier 
now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and 
wrenches for 3x list price.


Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.

As for HF insider: NO


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:

I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
Inside Track Club.

Is this worth it?

I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
seen in the past.


Craig





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[MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Craig via Mercedes]

I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
Inside Track Club.

Is this worth it?

I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
seen in the past.


Craig

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