Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Somewhat like physics, geography doesn't, lie, though some try to stretch and bend/distort it, depending on the politics of the day.;) BTW, will she be able to see Russia? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Somewhat like physics, geography doesn't, lie, though some try to stretch and bend/distort it, depending on the politics of the day.;) BTW, will she be able to see Russia? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
In the winter you can... Dan there's a beautiful woman behind every tree on Adak Sent from my iPad On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Somewhat like physics, geography doesn't, lie, though some try to stretch and bend/distort it, depending on the politics of the day.;) BTW, will she be able to see Russia? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
That belonged to the state senator, Ted something. Dan On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
It was Tina Fey, a comedian on Saturday Night Live, when portraying Palin (and they look remarkable similar) said, I can see Russia Unfortunately those who do not like Palin erroneously attribute this quote to her to make her appear stupid. (There might be other evidence for that, but not this particular meme) The Bridge to Nowhere was the work of the Senator Stevens from AL who got indicted on corruption and such, got defeated, then it was dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct, then he died in a plane crash. Palin was apparently for it before she was against it, but it did not get built. Keep your facts organized, your opinions disorganized. Merka! --R On 7/30/14 12:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
You can see Russia from a few select locations, islands, of course, that belong to the US. Dan On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It was Tina Fey, a comedian on Saturday Night Live, when portraying Palin (and they look remarkable similar) said, I can see Russia Unfortunately those who do not like Palin erroneously attribute this quote to her to make her appear stupid. (There might be other evidence for that, but not this particular meme) The Bridge to Nowhere was the work of the Senator Stevens from AL who got indicted on corruption and such, got defeated, then it was dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct, then he died in a plane crash. Palin was apparently for it before she was against it, but it did not get built. Keep your facts organized, your opinions disorganized. Merka! --R On 7/30/14 12:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:19:30 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You can see Russia from a few select locations, islands, of course, that belong to the US. Maybe Big Diomede Island in the Bering Strait. Nikolskoye Kamchatka Krai and the small island to its southeast are too far from Attu Island to be seen. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Parts of the AlCan are still pretty rough. Expect to replace a windshield by the end of the trip. She is psycho, isn't she? Put the car on a barge or ship in Portland or Seattle and fly up. This is a daily thing around there. Seattle and Portland are the Sam's Club and Costco for Alaska. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So is this effort your part in getting her to be gone? --R On 7/28/14 7:04 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
The question of the note is an interesting one. Right now Ford will offer 0.9% financing OR $1500 off. The dealership noted that to get the $1500 off you end up with something like 5.8% financing but after 3 payments (and 90 days) you could refinance into something much lower like 2.8% and that they do a lot of that. I need to run some numbers and see if that system with the $1500 is a better deal than 0.9% overall. -Curt From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? The buy it new and run it into the ground can make sense if you're carrying the paper for 0% or paying cash. That's about the only way you can amortize the depreciation and break even or possibly come out ahead in my book. The wife's 2005 Mazda 6s will be ten years old next year. It's got 133k on it and is still worth about $5k as a private party sale. We paid around $22k for it in 2005 and carried the paper for four years at something stupidly low, like 1%. Repairs over its life have been around $2600 so far, not including maintenance. I'm thinking we've gotten our money's worth out of the car. Next year it's either a new car for her at 0% or a late model used car. it will all depend on the bank rates at the time. You're probably even better off when you consider the resale of a Ford truck. You've seen what the used ones bring, so you already know it will hold its value for a long, long time. Have you considered the Internet blast approach? Pick out a number of dealers in the area online, give them the specs on the truck you want, and let them give you a quote. They're a lot more aggressive this way, as they know you're not screwing around. You want to be sure they know you're shopping everyone and that they get one and only one shot. You alos don't have to mess with the game playing that way, too. Dan On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Toyota seems the least likely to deal. Used sellers of Toyotas seem to think that every time they've farted in the seats its raised the price $1000. I was unhappy at the Ford dealership at first, it was the old school come in and lets talk about things. Where what we really wanted was to drive some trucks but in the end it worked out as we realized that we could probably end up with a better deal on a brand new truck than a used one. I think spending $25,000 and running it for 15 years will make more sense than spending $10,000 every 5 years. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Somebody check me on this one... I found an online calculator that says if I finance $25,000 at 5.8% the interest paid in the first 3 car payments is $357.27 If I then refi at 2.72% which Bankrate says was last week's average my total interest would be $1766.80 for a grand total interest paid of $2124.07 If I got 0.9% on the same $25,000 the total interest paid is $576.09. $2124.07 minus $576.09 is $1547.98 so if I'm giving up the better interest rate for cash back I'm actually LOSING $47.98 plus I have to fart around with refinancing so it'd be better to stick with the 0.9% in the first place. Worse yet (for the dealer I went to Sunday anyway) when I Google I find Ford's incentives page, they'll give me 0.0% for 60 months with $750 trade in assistance or $1,000 and 2.9% on 60 months AND $750 trade assistance. Even with that I'm paying $1745.38 in interest that I wouldn't pay at the 0.0% rate right? So unless Ford gives me more than $1745.38 in incentives I'm better off taking the 0.0% interest. -Curt From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? The question of the note is an interesting one. Right now Ford will offer 0.9% financing OR $1500 off. The dealership noted that to get the $1500 off you end up with something like 5.8% financing but after 3 payments (and 90 days) you could refinance into something much lower like 2.8% and that they do a lot of that. I need to run some numbers and see if that system with the $1500 is a better deal than 0.9% overall. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Whoops! Ran it one more time adding in a $7000 downpayment (which doesn't include my Ranger for trade) and got a different answer, now the interest at 2.9% is down to $1226.18 in interest. Actually at this point the payments are down to the point I can start to thing about a 48 month loan where Ford will give me 1.9% and the total interest is only $638.18. Of course Friday these deals go away... I've got some time Thursday, probably ought to go see if I can find a salesman with a real sharp pencil. -Curt From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Somebody check me on this one... I found an online calculator that says if I finance $25,000 at 5.8% the interest paid in the first 3 car payments is $357.27 If I then refi at 2.72% which Bankrate says was last week's average my total interest would be $1766.80 for a grand total interest paid of $2124.07 If I got 0.9% on the same $25,000 the total interest paid is $576.09. $2124.07 minus $576.09 is $1547.98 so if I'm giving up the better interest rate for cash back I'm actually LOSING $47.98 plus I have to fart around with refinancing so it'd be better to stick with the 0.9% in the first place. Worse yet (for the dealer I went to Sunday anyway) when I Google I find Ford's incentives page, they'll give me 0.0% for 60 months with $750 trade in assistance or $1,000 and 2.9% on 60 months AND $750 trade assistance. Even with that I'm paying $1745.38 in interest that I wouldn't pay at the 0.0% rate right? So unless Ford gives me more than $1745.38 in incentives I'm better off taking the 0.0% interest. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Penfed will refi a 2013, 2014, or 2015 for $1.49% for 36 months, 2.24% for 60 months. https://www.penfed.org/refinance-auto-loan/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
My local credit union is saying 2.79% for 60 or 2.49% for 48. Based on the link you posted yesterday I wonder if they'd pre-approve me for a quick sale. I'm assuming $25k is possible for what I want, if I could get $23k it might be worth it. -Curt From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Penfed will refi a 2013, 2014, or 2015 for $1.49% for 36 months, 2.24% for 60 months. https://www.penfed.org/refinance-auto-loan/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
What's the best deal on a 30 year mortgage these days? On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My local credit union is saying 2.79% for 60 or 2.49% for 48. Based on the link you posted yesterday I wonder if they'd pre-approve me for a quick sale. I'm assuming $25k is possible for what I want, if I could get $23k it might be worth it. -Curt From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Penfed will refi a 2013, 2014, or 2015 for $1.49% for 36 months, 2.24% for 60 months. https://www.penfed.org/refinance-auto-loan/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Still in the 3s I think. We refi'd last year to 4.125% down from 7.3% which we'd accepted because we got a 100% mortgage. The 4.125% is a little higher than we could have gotten except that we were over on the mortgage to the tune of $60,000. Thats closed to maybe $40,000 now and shrinking since our new mortgage (25 year vs 30 before) pays principle much faster and our value is increasing rapidly. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? What's the best deal on a 30 year mortgage these days? On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My local credit union is saying 2.79% for 60 or 2.49% for 48. Based on the link you posted yesterday I wonder if they'd pre-approve me for a quick sale. I'm assuming $25k is possible for what I want, if I could get $23k it might be worth it. -Curt From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Penfed will refi a 2013, 2014, or 2015 for $1.49% for 36 months, 2.24% for 60 months. https://www.penfed.org/refinance-auto-loan/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
If so that's a big drop from last month's rates of 4.3x On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Still in the 3s I think. We refi'd last year to 4.125% down from 7.3% which we'd accepted because we got a 100% mortgage. The 4.125% is a little higher than we could have gotten except that we were over on the mortgage to the tune of $60,000. Thats closed to maybe $40,000 now and shrinking since our new mortgage (25 year vs 30 before) pays principle much faster and our value is increasing rapidly. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? What's the best deal on a 30 year mortgage these days? On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My local credit union is saying 2.79% for 60 or 2.49% for 48. Based on the link you posted yesterday I wonder if they'd pre-approve me for a quick sale. I'm assuming $25k is possible for what I want, if I could get $23k it might be worth it. -Curt From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Penfed will refi a 2013, 2014, or 2015 for $1.49% for 36 months, 2.24% for 60 months. https://www.penfed.org/refinance-auto-loan/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
SWMBA is completely off her rocker. I call her Last Minute Lucy, since she is a day late and dollar short at planning things. I advised her to get her crap together last year, or at least by Feb. to begin house hunting. She began late May, and closed on what was available 28 days before the move. Not the place she wanted or the list of needs and wants. Too far from school and work, but not so far it hurts. Purchased the car ten days before she leaves town, and has yet to take possession. Still has her old car that needs detail and get sold.That is a long shot, since she is out of town this week. She decided to begin looking for furniture for the new house in late June. No sense of style, or visualization ability. There is a six to ten week lead time for the product to show up. The movers came to give a quote for taking her stuff up. No paperwork yet, but it looks like the earliest it will get there is late October. She wants an adventure, so is driving. I know she is bat shit crazy, so I am not taking part. The trip is estimated to be 48 driving hours. She thinks she can pull that off in five days. Two border crossings, lower speed roads, wild animals on the road, drunks, really uncomfortable seats and three people in the car. I took five days to blast from Orlando to Seattle at 85mph. Drove sun up to sundown in early August. On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Parts of the AlCan are still pretty rough. Expect to replace a windshield by the end of the trip. She is psycho, isn't she? Put the car on a barge or ship in Portland or Seattle and fly up. This is a daily thing around there. Seattle and Portland are the Sam's Club and Costco for Alaska. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So is this effort your part in getting her to be gone? --R On 7/28/14 7:04 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:46 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: SWMBA is completely off her rocker. I call her Last Minute Lucy, since she is a day late and dollar short at planning things. I advised her to get her crap together last year, or at least by Feb. to begin house hunting. She began late May, and closed on what was available 28 days before the move. Not the place she wanted or the list of needs and wants. Too far from school and work, but not so far it hurts. Purchased the car ten days before she leaves town, and has yet to take possession. Still has her old car that needs detail and get sold.That is a long shot, since she is out of town this week. She decided to begin looking for furniture for the new house in late June. No sense of style, or visualization ability. There is a six to ten week lead time for the product to show up. The movers came to give a quote for taking her stuff up. No paperwork yet, but it looks like the earliest it will get there is late October. She wants an adventure, so is driving. I know she is bat shit crazy, so I am not taking part. The trip is estimated to be 48 driving hours. She thinks she can pull that off in five days. Two border crossings, lower speed roads, wild animals on the road, drunks, really uncomfortable seats and three people in the car. I took five days to blast from Orlando to Seattle at 85mph. Drove sun up to sundown in early August. On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Parts of the AlCan are still pretty rough. Expect to replace a windshield by the end of the trip. She is psycho, isn't she? Put the car on a barge or ship in Portland or Seattle and fly up. This is a daily thing around there. Seattle and Portland are the Sam's Club and Costco for Alaska. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So is this effort your part in getting her to be gone? --R On 7/28/14 7:04 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Andrew wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Excerpts from the very post you just quoted Parts of the AlCan are still pretty rough Put the car on a barge or ship in Portland or Seattle and fly up. Seattle and Portland are the Sam's Club and Costco for Alaska. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. So - AlCan is the Alaska-Canadian highway. She would be driving from USA through Canada to USA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Highway http://www.milepost.com/highway_info/alaska_highway ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with Well what would close the deal today? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
There is always September. The really new stuff will be arriving and these guys need to make room.They shuffle the old stuff to lesser dealers around the area (small town guys) or have to store it on some far off lot. It is not making them cash sitting on the tarmac. Or, you get the d'heads like my local MB dealer, who do not give a rip about actually serving the customers, because there are enough chinese folks rolling in the door for fresh silver stars. Club member wanted to use the Costco buying program for his new car. Local shop told him to pound sand, so he went to a dealer 100 miles away, who gladly made the sale. All manner of incentives to boot. MBCA loyalty, costco, and some other bargain he nailed down. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Curt keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car business. It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month they need to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked can no longer offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes. You'd be amazed at margins. On Jul 27, 2014 9:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with Well what would close the deal today? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
So is this effort your part in getting her to be gone? --R On 7/28/14 7:04 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with Well what would close the deal today? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
If she's interested in a RAV4, would she drive a RENDEZVOUS CXL AWD? 10 year olds typically go for less than 5k around here with as new leather interiors. http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/4589318799.html Or, how about a Saab Trailblazer? http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/4529025017.html http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/4573640539.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Toyota seems the least likely to deal. Used sellers of Toyotas seem to think that every time they've farted in the seats its raised the price $1000. I was unhappy at the Ford dealership at first, it was the old school come in and lets talk about things. Where what we really wanted was to drive some trucks but in the end it worked out as we realized that we could probably end up with a better deal on a brand new truck than a used one. I think spending $25,000 and running it for 15 years will make more sense than spending $10,000 every 5 years. -Curt From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
It is Osama crap for cars that has made a mess of the business. The old cars got destroyed, so used car volume crashed. The new cars sold at that time were tin boxes, not cars you really wanted to hang onto. The dealers were begging folks to buy, since there was almost no business to be had. SWMBA got her korean car at the end of the season. It had come up from PDX, to a lesser dealer here, and they were trying to push it at near new car pricing. I think we got them to toss in all manner of goodies, extend the warrantee, and cut the price by $8.5k. Five years of service was part of the deal, so it has only ever been to the dealer for care. About the only out of pocket was fuel, a better battery and tires. And wipers. Trying to find valid pricing for the model now is crazy. Low miles, like hers, are going for top blue book. Probably best time to dump it, as it is still under warrantee, has all records, and the economy is getting ready to tick along again clay On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new. Toyota is the worst, 8 years old is $16-18k. I think few people were buying new from say 2008 to about 2012 so there just isn't that much inventory in used trucks. When I bought my Dakota there were a bunch of used trucks, same when I bought my Ranger. Now every dealership has a few but not that many. Curt From: Allan Streib via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory. I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but people I've talked to are happy with them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
The buy it new and run it into the ground can make sense if you're carrying the paper for 0% or paying cash. That's about the only way you can amortize the depreciation and break even or possibly come out ahead in my book. The wife's 2005 Mazda 6s will be ten years old next year. It's got 133k on it and is still worth about $5k as a private party sale. We paid around $22k for it in 2005 and carried the paper for four years at something stupidly low, like 1%. Repairs over its life have been around $2600 so far, not including maintenance. I'm thinking we've gotten our money's worth out of the car. Next year it's either a new car for her at 0% or a late model used car. it will all depend on the bank rates at the time. You're probably even better off when you consider the resale of a Ford truck. You've seen what the used ones bring, so you already know it will hold its value for a long, long time. Have you considered the Internet blast approach? Pick out a number of dealers in the area online, give them the specs on the truck you want, and let them give you a quote. They're a lot more aggressive this way, as they know you're not screwing around. You want to be sure they know you're shopping everyone and that they get one and only one shot. You alos don't have to mess with the game playing that way, too. Dan On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Toyota seems the least likely to deal. Used sellers of Toyotas seem to think that every time they've farted in the seats its raised the price $1000. I was unhappy at the Ford dealership at first, it was the old school come in and lets talk about things. Where what we really wanted was to drive some trucks but in the end it worked out as we realized that we could probably end up with a better deal on a brand new truck than a used one. I think spending $25,000 and running it for 15 years will make more sense than spending $10,000 every 5 years. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
The local indy dealers are banking on sub prime loans they originate themselves to the wetbacks. They can not get banks to cover the loans, so hold the paper themselves and have usurious rates, so everybody qualifies. Pepe Jimenez makes jacked up payments on his truck, and, if he defaults, the car is repossessed and back on the lot or to the consignment auction. clay On Jul 27, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM To: Allan Streib; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new. I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the 2000's is happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who won't be able to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the roof. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Have you considered the Internet blast approach? Pick out a number of dealers in the area online, give them the specs on the truck you want, and let them give you a quote. They're a lot more aggressive this way, as they know you're not screwing around. You want to be sure they know you're shopping everyone and that they get one and only one shot. You alos don't have to mess with the game playing that way, too. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1001920/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
One reason I hold onto my rides. I can not see buying a newer model with lower build quality, when I can use a fraction of the cash to keep what I have on the road. The yoda guys took the car on trade, so it was pretty much 2/3 the sale price to acquire. The infiniti, acura, and bmw shops had paid wholesale and spruced the cars up. No wiggle room and they farmed out the repairs/updates. The CPO will transfer to the AK dealer if need arises, where the other shops stood behind their cars, as long as they were on the lot. I think the detailing costs were so high due to the flatulance embedded in the seats. It comes out of leather easier than fabric clay On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Toyota seems the least likely to deal. Used sellers of Toyotas seem to think that every time they've farted in the seats its raised the price $1000. I was unhappy at the Ford dealership at first, it was the old school come in and lets talk about things. Where what we really wanted was to drive some trucks but in the end it worked out as we realized that we could probably end up with a better deal on a brand new truck than a used one. I think spending $25,000 and running it for 15 years will make more sense than spending $10,000 every 5 years. -Curt From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Lies, mischaracterizations, obfuscation and deceit. That is how cars are sold. SWMBA wants to drive the AlCan to get to her new abode. The korean sedan will not meet her needs, so she decided a used Rav4 would. No research was done on her part and she blithely wanders into a few places she found a suitable example from CL. I had bothered to bone up on the cars and kept my mouth shut except when it got thick and silly. We wasted a weekend test driving the things and having mouth breathers bloviate about the wonderful deals they would make her. I told her it was her decision, as I would not be driving the thing. Last Friday, after I had to field calls from sales critters (she did not want to divulge her corporate #), I told her to check back with the persistent feller at the toy oda shop. Most of the places she looked were selling auction cars and marked up stickers. They thought the cars were pooped out by the almighty himself and would not negotiate or get close to her price. The guy at the toad lot got the sweetest deal by having the car be CPO, dropped closest to her price, and then negotiations hit a bump. No more room they said. She is texting me at work to get my take. I tell her to pit the three shops with the cars she likes against each other. Call one shop while at the desk waiting for the critter to get back from chatting up his manager. Pull up other listings while she waits. Get up and get a cup of tea and snack, then walk outside for fresh air. An hour later, the rock bottom price they can offer is stated. No wiggle room for them, and still not making her happy. I tell her to make them sweeten the pot with goodies, like weather beater carpet covers, and tchotkes that really will cost them nothing, but would make her feel she got a deal. Now she wants me to fully detail her sedan. That is not going to happen. I told her to spend the cash for a shop to do it, because I need to spend at least that much to get supplies stocked to do the job right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with Well what would close the deal today? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Curt keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car business. It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month they need to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked can no longer offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes. You'd be amazed at margins. On Jul 27, 2014 9:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with Well what would close the deal today? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
I just looked and our local dealer (the one we tried today was just over the border in NH) has nearly the same truck for $33,000. Seems like if he's got it for $3k less than the other guy he ought to meet my $25k price. I should ask $22k... I'll have to run over and try one tomorrow so when the NH guy calls I can tell him I drove another one (same color even) and want the better price. I want to drive the v6 too, it gets 2mpg better and costs $1000 less. This is the 3.7l na, not the eco boost which adds another $1000. They say the v6 is 302hp, the turbo adds 63hp. The 5.0 v8 is 360hp. 302hp seems like plenty. My Dakota had like 210hp with a 5.2l v8, Ranger is something like 205hp with a 4l v6. I drove a Chevy last year with their 4.3l v6 and although towing a 240D I had to keep it in 3rd coming up the highway I think that was just a factor of too high gears for the job. It wasn't really working that hard. -Curt From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Curt keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car business. It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month they need to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked can no longer offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes. You'd be amazed at margins. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. $28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory. I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but people I've talked to are happy with them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Yes by all means offer 22k. You'll be surprised how much negotiating power you have. Be prepared to walk hang up. Hang tough. Play one dealer against the other . I don't know the specifics of the various engines on these On Jul 27, 2014 9:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I just looked and our local dealer (the one we tried today was just over the border in NH) has nearly the same truck for $33,000. Seems like if he's got it for $3k less than the other guy he ought to meet my $25k price. I should ask $22k... I'll have to run over and try one tomorrow so when the NH guy calls I can tell him I drove another one (same color even) and want the better price. I want to drive the v6 too, it gets 2mpg better and costs $1000 less. This is the 3.7l na, not the eco boost which adds another $1000. They say the v6 is 302hp, the turbo adds 63hp. The 5.0 v8 is 360hp. 302hp seems like plenty. My Dakota had like 210hp with a 5.2l v8, Ranger is something like 205hp with a 4l v6. I drove a Chevy last year with their 4.3l v6 and although towing a 240D I had to keep it in 3rd coming up the highway I think that was just a factor of too high gears for the job. It wasn't really working that hard. -Curt From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Curt keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car business. It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month they need to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked can no longer offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes. You'd be amazed at margins. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new. Toyota is the worst, 8 years old is $16-18k. I think few people were buying new from say 2008 to about 2012 so there just isn't that much inventory in used trucks. When I bought my Dakota there were a bunch of used trucks, same when I bought my Ranger. Now every dealership has a few but not that many. Curt From: Allan Streib via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory. I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but people I've talked to are happy with them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Yes effects of the big recession On Jul 27, 2014 9:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new. Toyota is the worst, 8 years old is $16-18k. I think few people were buying new from say 2008 to about 2012 so there just isn't that much inventory in used trucks. When I bought my Dakota there were a bunch of used trucks, same when I bought my Ranger. Now every dealership has a few but not that many. Curt From: Allan Streib via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory. I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but people I've talked to are happy with them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Time is valuable. Right now the bed has to come off again, its rusted all around the patches I put in. Then the gas tank has to be dropped, the mid cross member reinforced and a new rear gas tank strap holder made and installed since the original is riveted in place and can't be bought. So I spend 3 days welding it back up and what have I gained? A new lease on a truck thats essentially worthless. The Ranger is also too small for us, when we travel we have to take a big plastic tote in the bed. A midsize truck like my Dakota would be optimal but there just aren't any we like. We tried the Tacoma and Frontier and didn't like either. I find the ergonomics of the Frontier terrible, it aggravates my right knee but that seems to be a common Nissan thing, they never let the front seats go back far enough for me. Plus for what you'd pay for a Tacoma or Frontier you can have an F150 and the Ford gets better mileage than the Nissan and only 1 mpg worse than the Toyota which has a 4 cylinder engine. The Toyota has lower cargo capacity, lower towing capacity, its got a C channel frame where the Ford (and the Nissan interestingly) have box frame which flexes less. There apparently is a reason the F150 is the best selling truck in the US... -Curt From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. $28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Sounds like you need to go for a Ford f150. On Jul 27, 2014 10:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Time is valuable. Right now the bed has to come off again, its rusted all around the patches I put in. Then the gas tank has to be dropped, the mid cross member reinforced and a new rear gas tank strap holder made and installed since the original is riveted in place and can't be bought. So I spend 3 days welding it back up and what have I gained? A new lease on a truck thats essentially worthless. The Ranger is also too small for us, when we travel we have to take a big plastic tote in the bed. A midsize truck like my Dakota would be optimal but there just aren't any we like. We tried the Tacoma and Frontier and didn't like either. I find the ergonomics of the Frontier terrible, it aggravates my right knee but that seems to be a common Nissan thing, they never let the front seats go back far enough for me. Plus for what you'd pay for a Tacoma or Frontier you can have an F150 and the Ford gets better mileage than the Nissan and only 1 mpg worse than the Toyota which has a 4 cylinder engine. The Toyota has lower cargo capacity, lower towing capacity, its got a C channel frame where the Ford (and the Nissan interestingly) have box frame which flexes less. There apparently is a reason the F150 is the best selling truck in the US... -Curt From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. $28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs. The STX is a step up from the base - I got the base short cab, long bed, with added electric windows and locks and running boards. I did have to order it - there were none that met my specs in OK. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I just looked and our local dealer (the one we tried today was just over the border in NH) has nearly the same truck for $33,000. Seems like if he's got it for $3k less than the other guy he ought to meet my $25k price. I should ask $22k... I'll have to run over and try one tomorrow so when the NH guy calls I can tell him I drove another one (same color even) and want the better price. I want to drive the v6 too, it gets 2mpg better and costs $1000 less. This is the 3.7l na, not the eco boost which adds another $1000. They say the v6 is 302hp, the turbo adds 63hp. The 5.0 v8 is 360hp. 302hp seems like plenty. My Dakota had like 210hp with a 5.2l v8, Ranger is something like 205hp with a 4l v6. I drove a Chevy last year with their 4.3l v6 and although towing a 240D I had to keep it in 3rd coming up the highway I think that was just a factor of too high gears for the job. It wasn't really working that hard. -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM To: Allan Streib; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new. I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the 2000's is happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who won't be able to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the roof. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
As they say in the car business, you are in the new car business to be in the used car business. In other words, there are very little margins on new cars. A dealer may make a few hundred on a new car. They hope to get good trades to make the real money on. Plus there is the service business and the finance. On the used cars there are most often very large margins. Most dealers are going to make 2-4k per copy, plus they would get another trade usually to make money on, plus they make money on the back in in the FI. Maybe many many years ago there were large margins on new cars but that simply is not the case these days. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car business. It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month they need to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked can no longer offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes. You'd be amazed at margins. On Jul 27, 2014 9:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it was a crew cab (and $28k). We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking rear diff. Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with Well what would close the deal today? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
He was taking about new cars, can't get those from a private seller. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark... BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory. I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but people I've talked to are happy with them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
If I were looking for a brand new truck it would be the new body silverado that came out for 14. Very very nice truck, worlds ahead of ford or dodge at the moment. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Time is valuable. Right now the bed has to come off again, its rusted all around the patches I put in. Then the gas tank has to be dropped, the mid cross member reinforced and a new rear gas tank strap holder made and installed since the original is riveted in place and can't be bought. So I spend 3 days welding it back up and what have I gained? A new lease on a truck thats essentially worthless. The Ranger is also too small for us, when we travel we have to take a big plastic tote in the bed. A midsize truck like my Dakota would be optimal but there just aren't any we like. We tried the Tacoma and Frontier and didn't like either. I find the ergonomics of the Frontier terrible, it aggravates my right knee but that seems to be a common Nissan thing, they never let the front seats go back far enough for me. Plus for what you'd pay for a Tacoma or Frontier you can have an F150 and the Ford gets better mileage than the Nissan and only 1 mpg worse than the Toyota which has a 4 cylinder engine. The Toyota has lower cargo capacity, lower towing capacity, its got a C channel frame where the Ford (and the Nissan interestingly) have box frame which flexes less. There apparently is a reason the F150 is the best selling truck in the US... -Curt From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000. $28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Where the heck did you hear that? Nothing like that going on that I have seen. Cash for clunkers did untold amounts of damage to the used car market. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM To: Allan Streib; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new. I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the 2000's is happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who won't be able to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the roof. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
I read that also on some Internet news site, so it has to be true! ;-) On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Where the heck did you hear that? Nothing like that going on that I have seen. Cash for clunkers did untold amounts of damage to the used car market. Sent from my iPhone I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the 2000's is happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who won't be able to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the roof. Rick -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Original Message From: OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:39 PM To: Kaleb C. Striplin; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? I read that also on some Internet news site, so it has to be true! ;-) On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Where the heck did you hear that? Nothing like that going on that I have seen. Cash for clunkers did untold amounts of damage to the used car market. Yes, nothing like the liars at Yahoo finance, NYT, Bloomberg, Zero Hedge,... Apparently, it is new and used cars. Apologies for the mobile sites. I am at work. http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/dealbook/2014/07/19/in-a-subprime-bubble-for-used-cars-unfit-borrowers-pay-sky-high-rates/ http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2013-11-27/subprime-loans-are-boosting-car-sales http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-13/subprime-trading-like-it-s-07-in-car-loan-bonds-credit-markets.html http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/you-can--fog-a-mirror-and-get-an-auto-loan--should-we-be-worried-about-a-crisis-132838097.html http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-01/subrpime-20-spreads-cars-occ-warns-auto-loan-risks http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3359867 There. That's enough. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
