[MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
With the recent discussion raising my interest in possibly procuring said guns, I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. I would expect that buying a shotgun isn't an issue since the purchase requirements are limited. That being said, with what little I know about handgun purchases I was of the impression there is a waiting period involved. How would that work in an environment like a gun show? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Last one I went to you go and plunk down your money and walk out with your purchase. I *think* they run a background check somehow but I don't recall. This aspect has the anti crowd all twisted up. --R On 10/29/14 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: With the recent discussion raising my interest in possibly procuring said guns, I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. I would expect that buying a shotgun isn't an issue since the purchase requirements are limited. That being said, with what little I know about handgun purchases I was of the impression there is a waiting period involved. How would that work in an environment like a gun show? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Interesting. On the rental front at our local range, they say they have Beretta 3901s for their rental guns. Opinions? I'm looking for semi auto guns that might mimic a Remington 1100, for example.. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Last one I went to you go and plunk down your money and walk out with your purchase. I *think* they run a background check somehow but I don't recall. This aspect has the anti crowd all twisted up. --R On 10/29/14 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: With the recent discussion raising my interest in possibly procuring said guns, I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. I would expect that buying a shotgun isn't an issue since the purchase requirements are limited. That being said, with what little I know about handgun purchases I was of the impression there is a waiting period involved. How would that work in an environment like a gun show? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? I'm pretty sure that in FL you just have to pass the NICS check if buying from a dealer (and fill out all necessary paperwork) or hand over the cash if buying from an individual. As far as gunbroker is concerned, virtually everybody selling there is a dealer. If you could find a local private seller you could meet him face to face and do a paperless transaction. If he ships it to a FFL, the FFL has to log it into his bound book, and fill out the paperwork and run the NICS check to transfer it from his inventory to you, even though the FFL never owned it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Rednecks, all of ya:) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
It depends on state law in the state the sale occurs. And if it involves interstate transactions, federal law applies. In California, ALL sales, including private party sales, have to be processed through an FFL licensed dealer and have a 10 day waiting period during which the receiving FFL dealer has to process the paperwork and background check. This applies to long guns as well as handguns. I could go into more detail but it's best to just say check with a local dealer to determine state law where you want to buy a gun before going into the deal. AT CL500 and Sig Sauer From: Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com I'm pretty sure that in FL you just have to pass the NICS check if buying from a dealer (and fill out all necessary paperwork) or hand over the cash if buying from an individual. As far as gunbroker is concerned, virtually everybody selling there is a dealer. If you could find a local private seller you could meet him face to face and do a paperless transaction. If he ships it to a FFL, the FFL has to log it into his bound book, and fill out the paperwork and run the NICS check to transfer it from his inventory to you, even though the FFL never owned it. Mitch. From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols Date: October 29, 2014 11:01:28 AM PDT To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Short answer: Sales at gun shows work exactly the same as they work anywhere else. There is no such thing as a gun show loophole. Scott I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've heard anecdotal tales about guns being bought and sold in the parking lot at gun shows, but they were just that - hearsay. I don't know anyone who has ever done it. Probably because the law has people wandering around offering to do just that to keep people safe/legal. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Short answer: Sales at gun shows work exactly the same as they work anywhere else. There is no such thing as a gun show loophole. Scott I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I've heard anecdotal tales about guns being bought and sold in the parking lot at gun shows, but they were just that - hearsay. I don't know anyone who has ever done it. Probably because the law has people wandering around offering to do just that to keep people safe/legal. A favorite ATF stunt was to watch you buy a gun, and then walk up to you and offer you more than you paid for it so they could arrest you for 'dealing in firearms for profit without a license'. I hope they've cut that out by now, but there's plenty of other BS that I know they still engage in so who knows? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
