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I never tried the light box thing although I probably should have. The only time I ever used pharmaceuticals to speak of. They helped some, but not a lot. What's weird is that I spent more than half my life in that environment, and never had a problem. Must have been the 12 years I spent in Florida that de-programmed me... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe that's why I prefer the GE where did my eyes go? CFL bulbs. The ones that glow green for a bit after you turn them off. Walt, who dislikes incandescent bulbs in drop light enclosures as well On Jan 20, 2012 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reason. You can provide nearly full spectrum light by mixing incandescent bulbs with cool white fluorescents, or use the high kelvin temperature CCFL spiral things. Not the warm white, the bright bluish ones. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The phosphors in fluorescent lamps vary all over the map, and cheap wins out over wide spectrum every time. The lamps work by the coating on the inside of the tubes absorbing the long wave UV produced by the mercury vapor lamp and emitting light in the visible range, along with allowing the typical blue and green emission lines of mercury vapor lamps to pass through. The coating makes all the difference, and for a while almost all CCFL replacement bulbs were fairly high kelvin (color temperature) rated, at least photoflood B range. Lately the warm white crowd that likes dim incandescent lamps that sorta glow orange/white -- like a weak 40W incandescent -- have taken over and it's hard to find a bright white bulb that mimics daylight. i've never liked low temperature bulbs, so I have to dig and dig to get what I want. The good thing is that the cheapo Chinese LED lamps are wide spectrum, strong on the blue end, and I'll have to get some more of them. Vastly better than CCFL, and from that auction site around $8 or so. Not bad for a permanent lamp. Only question I have is why none of the American manufacturers (read supply companies now that just contract for overseas goods) design or make any of this stuff? I'm fairly certain that at $100 a barrel for oil, it costs more to ship them from China that to make them here. Peter On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Maybe that's why I prefer the GE where did my eyes go? CFL bulbs. The ones that glow green for a bit after you turn them off. Walt, who dislikes incandescent bulbs in drop light enclosures as well On Jan 20, 2012 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reason. You can provide nearly full spectrum light by mixing incandescent bulbs with cool white fluorescents, or use the high kelvin temperature CCFL spiral things. Not the warm white, the bright bluish ones. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http:// www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http:// www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got some LED lamps from a buddy who didn't like them, as he thought they were too blue for his liking. $25 for three 60W equivalent screw base bulbs he had hardly used. Yes, they are very blue or white, but we don't care and would rather save the money and minimize the heat load. I have six can or recessed lighting fixtures in my kitchen that use the PAR 30 lamps. Right now they have the CFL versions in them, but I don't like hem as they take a few minutes to come up to full brightness. Better than incandescents as far as power consumption and heat load, but as soon as I can swing it I'm going to buy LED replacements for them. Dan On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: The phosphors in fluorescent lamps vary all over the map, and cheap wins out over wide spectrum every time. The lamps work by the coating on the inside of the tubes absorbing the long wave UV produced by the mercury vapor lamp and emitting light in the visible range, along with allowing the typical blue and green emission lines of mercury vapor lamps to pass through. The coating makes all the difference, and for a while almost all CCFL replacement bulbs were fairly high kelvin (color temperature) rated, at least photoflood B range. Lately the warm white crowd that likes dim incandescent lamps that sorta glow orange/white -- like a weak 40W incandescent -- have taken over and it's hard to find a bright white bulb that mimics daylight. i've never liked low temperature bulbs, so I have to dig and dig to get what I want. The good thing is that the cheapo Chinese LED lamps are wide spectrum, strong on the blue end, and I'll have to get some more of them. Vastly better than CCFL, and from that auction site around $8 or so. Not bad for a permanent lamp. Only question I have is why none of the American manufacturers (read supply companies now that just contract for overseas goods) design or make any of this stuff? I'm fairly certain that at $100 a barrel for oil, it costs more to ship them from China that to make them here. Peter On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Maybe that's why I prefer the GE where did my eyes go? CFL bulbs. The ones that glow green for a bit after you turn them off. Walt, who dislikes incandescent bulbs in drop light enclosures as well On Jan 20, 2012 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reason. You can provide nearly full spectrum light by mixing incandescent bulbs with cool white fluorescents, or use the high kelvin temperature CCFL spiral things. Not the warm white, the bright bluish ones. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
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I don't have a problem with the blue -- if I want to sleep, I'll turn the light off! I'm almost always doing something -- reading, writing, working on watches, etc when I have a light on, I prefer wide spectrum illumination Some people do really seem to prefer the orange glow, though. Makes them feel cozy, I guess. I also tend to paint the whole house bright ceiling white, so I suppose I'm not a typical lamp user either. Peter On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I got some LED lamps from a buddy who didn't like them, as he thought they were too blue for his liking. $25 for three 60W equivalent screw base bulbs he had hardly used. Yes, they are very blue or white, but we don't care and would rather save the money and minimize the heat load. I have six can or recessed lighting fixtures in my kitchen that use the PAR 30 lamps. Right now they have the CFL versions in them, but I don't like hem as they take a few minutes to come up to full brightness. Better than incandescents as far as power consumption and heat load, but as soon as I can swing it I'm going to buy LED replacements for them. Dan On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: The phosphors in fluorescent lamps vary all over the map, and cheap wins out over wide spectrum every time. The lamps work by the coating on the inside of the tubes absorbing the long wave UV produced by the mercury vapor lamp and emitting light in the visible range, along with allowing the typical blue and green emission lines of mercury vapor lamps to pass through. The coating makes all the difference, and for a while almost all CCFL replacement bulbs were fairly high kelvin (color temperature) rated, at least photoflood B range. Lately the warm white crowd that likes dim incandescent lamps that sorta glow orange/white -- like a weak 40W incandescent -- have taken over and it's hard to find a bright white bulb that mimics daylight. i've never liked low temperature bulbs, so I have to dig and dig to get what I want. The good thing is that the cheapo Chinese LED lamps are wide spectrum, strong on the blue end, and I'll have to get some more of them. Vastly better than CCFL, and from that auction site around $8 or so. Not bad for a permanent lamp. Only question I have is why none of the American manufacturers (read supply companies now that just contract for overseas goods) design or make any of this stuff? I'm fairly certain that at $100 a barrel for oil, it costs more to ship them from China that to make them here. Peter On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Maybe that's why I prefer the GE where did my eyes go? CFL bulbs. The ones that glow green for a bit after you turn them off. Walt, who dislikes incandescent bulbs in drop light enclosures as well On Jan 20, 2012 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reason. You can provide nearly full spectrum light by mixing incandescent bulbs with cool white fluorescents, or use the high kelvin temperature CCFL spiral things. Not the warm white, the bright bluish ones. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/ listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/ mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/ listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
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Not bad for a permanent [LED] lamp. Why 'permanent'? So far as I know all 'white' LED's are just fluorescents, but excited by UV from an LED rather than a mercury vapor discharge. So besides the aging of the LED itself there's phosphor aging too, just like a conventional fluorescent. (Which dim over time.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, blue LEDs have been in production for some years now. No phosphors, which is why they are so cheap to run. Something like 3W is equal to a 40W incandescent, and if the LEDs were properly made and the underlying materials are good (the plastic frame, solder, etc) they should last essentially forever. Big problem at the moment is getting 110V bulbs at a reasonable price. Most of them are 220V for the European market, and they won't just plug in. The next thing that will show up, I think, is 12V wiring to get rid of the necessary power supply in each lamp -- that would push the price down a couple of bucks each! Peter On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Not bad for a permanent [LED] lamp. Why 'permanent'? So far as I know all 'white' LED's are just fluorescents, but excited by UV from an LED rather than a mercury vapor discharge. So besides the aging of the LED itself there's phosphor aging too, just like a conventional fluorescent. (Which dim over time.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: Why 'permanent'? So far as I know all 'white' LED's are just fluorescents, but excited by UV from an LED rather than a mercury vapor discharge. So besides the aging of the LED itself there's phosphor aging too, just like a conventional fluorescent. (Which dim over time.) Just give me incandescents please. Cheap, pleasing light, no hazmat team needed for disposal (and if they are toxic themselves, what about the by-products of manufacture?) I'll gladly replace them a little more often (and I've NEVER had a CFL come anywhere close to its claimed lifespan anyway) and pay the small extra amount on my electric bill. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's because most of them made now are junk. I still have a few Osram cfl's burning that have Made in USA on them. When I started using cfl's, I had to buy them at the electrical supply house. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I'll gladly replace them a little more often (and I've NEVER had a CFL come anywhere close to its claimed lifespan anyway) and pay the small extra amount on my electric bill. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I put some of those curly lights in my recessed cans in my Houston house, and I think they got too hot and failed fairly regularly (so much for long life), but they were the regular ones not the recessed version (which seem to be curly lights in a plastic housing). I have not had very much luck with longevity in any of the ones I have used, esp in closed-in ceiling fixtures. When I get my kitchen lighted up I am going with the little halogens and some LEDs undercounter. I might buy some LED strips and hook up a microcontroller to get some colors or PWM dimming on them http://www.adafruit.com/products/306. That could be fun and introduce some psychedelia into the kitchen. --R On 1/21/12 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I got some LED lamps from a buddy who didn't like them, as he thought they were too blue for his liking. $25 for three 60W equivalent screw base bulbs he had hardly used. Yes, they are very blue or white, but we don't care and would rather save the money and minimize the heat load. I have six can or recessed lighting fixtures in my kitchen that use the PAR 30 lamps. Right now they have the CFL versions in them, but I don't like hem as they take a few minutes to come up to full brightness. Better than incandescents as far as power consumption and heat load, but as soon as I can swing it I'm going to buy LED replacements for them. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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--R wrote: I put some of those curly lights in my recessed cans in my Houston house, and I think they got too hot and failed fairly regularly (so much for long life) Wasn't there a problem in early curly bulbs and being bottom-down versus bottom-up? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm with you on painting everything white, saves on touch-up paint and means I can get away with way fewer fixtures. I also never have to say I need to go into a different room, I can't judge color in here. Drives my wife crazy -Curt Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:25:41 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question Message-ID: 3d867120-10bd-41fe-80f3-c1a0c15c9...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I don't have a problem with the blue -- if I want to sleep, I'll turn the light off! I'm almost always doing something -- reading, writing, working on watches, etc when I have a light on, I prefer wide spectrum illumination Some people do really seem to prefer the orange glow, though. Makes them feel cozy, I guess. I also tend to paint the whole house bright ceiling white, so I suppose I'm not a typical lamp user either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote: Not bad for a permanent [LED] lamp. Jim Cathey wrote: Why 'permanent'? So far as I know all 'white' LED's are just fluorescents, but excited by UV from an LED rather than a mercury vapor discharge. Yup. However, my home-made spectrascope shows the spectrum from a number of white LEDs to be much smoother and broader than any of my fluorescents - compact or not. So besides the aging of the LED itself there's phosphor aging too, just like a conventional fluorescent. (Which dim over time.) And heat will kill the LED driver just as readily as it kills the CFL driver. And from what I have seen, a heat damaged driver board is the biggest cause of a failed CFL. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not at all. That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Me either. What I NEED to do, is retire and move to God's waiting room, like you did. You really don't miss Indiana winters do you? Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reason. You can provide nearly full spectrum light by mixing incandescent bulbs with cool white fluorescents, or use the high kelvin temperature CCFL spiral things. Not the warm white, the bright bluish ones. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can buy those caps with some LEDs on the bill, turn them around so they are shining in your eyes and that would help. Really. Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) --R On 1/20/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reason. You can provide nearly full spectrum light by mixing incandescent bulbs with cool white fluorescents, or use the high kelvin temperature CCFL spiral things. Not the warm white, the bright bluish ones. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done after November until March or so. I probably ought to build a big light box and sit in front of it for an hour or two a day. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have never driven a w123 in the winter. Where is the plug for the block heater? I know where it is at on the w201. It is obvious. Maybe send a picture off list Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It'd be hanging around between the bumper and a/c condenser, where you'd expect. That's if it's installed... Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/19/2012 1:08 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: I have never driven a w123 in the winter. Where is the plug for the block heater? I know where it is at on the w201. It is obvious. Maybe send a picture off list Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: It'd be hanging around between the bumper and a/c condenser, where you'd expect. That's if it's installed... Yeah - if it is installed. To see if installed, check the right side block area under the intake where one of the water jacket casting plugs should be removed and the water jacket heater should be installed. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No cord. It took a looonnng time to start today. Guess I need to find my round tuit and get the valves set and the oil changed. D'oh. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's if it's installed... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If it is not expected to be cold for long where you are, you might try hanging a trouble light under the hood (or 2 of them if you like). Or, you can get the magnetic heaters that just stick on to the oilpan to keep the oil warmed up a bit. Or, the kind that goes in the rad hose. All much easier and probably about as effective as the in-block heater. Randy On 19/01/2012 1:59 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: No cord. It took a looonnng time to start today. Guess I need to find my round tuit and get the valves set and the oil changed. D'oh. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's if it's installed... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Of the choices previously presented, the magnetic heater (around 400W, if my memory serves me correctly) if by far the least intrusive. I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Just my $0.02. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: No cord. It took a looonnng time to start today. Guess I need to find my round tuit and get the valves set and the oil changed. D'oh. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's if it's installed... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And FWIW, the dipstick heaters (heater that you insert into the oil dipstick tube) are useless. Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Of the choices previously presented, the magnetic heater (around 400W, if my memory serves me correctly) if by far the least intrusive. I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Just my $0.02. Dan Sent from my iPhone -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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DIpstick heater worked great in my '59 Volvo during the harsh St. Paul (MN) winter of '69. I also brought in the battery every night... On 1/19/12, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: And FWIW, the dipstick heaters (heater that you insert into the oil dipstick tube) are useless. Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Of the choices previously presented, the magnetic heater (around 400W, if my memory serves me correctly) if by far the least intrusive. I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Just my $0.02. Dan Sent from my iPhone -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same place. Southern cars might not have the cord, or might not have the block heater after all. Look on the engine under the exhaust manifold, see if you can find the heater itself. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:08:49 -0800 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question Message-ID: bay171-w6e8d5ad2f621fb49fe794dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have never driven a w123 in the winter. Where is the plug for the block heater? I know where it is at on the w201. It is obvious. Maybe send a picture off list Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No doubt the radiator type work well, they also give you cabin heat much faster. They use 2x+ the electricity though and much of the heat is wasted because it goes into the radiator and gets radiated out to the outside world. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:04:57 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question Message-ID: 4f187769.6020...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If it is not expected to be cold for long where you are, you might try hanging a trouble light under the hood (or 2 of them if you like). Or, you can get the magnetic heaters that just stick on to the oilpan to keep the oil warmed up a bit. Or, the kind that goes in the rad hose. All much easier and probably about as effective as the in-block heater. Randy On 19/01/2012 1:59 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: No cord. It took a looonnng time to start today. Guess I need to find my round tuit and get the valves set and the oil changed. D'oh. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC the problem with a dipstick heater is that cold oil won't radiate heat well enough and can cause oil to burn to the stick when it gets hot. Also IIRC the best use for a dipstick heater is to keep a warm engine warm overnight. The one I found on Amazon is only 90w so keeping it on overnight wouldn't be that bad electric-bill-wise. At $13 from Amazon it might be worth it if you lived somewhere it didn't get all that cold for all that long. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:46:25 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question Message-ID: CAC35L=srconqqqd_9+tze055pgnxmnqcxs93mj1otuwup_v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 DIpstick heater worked great in my '59 Volvo during the harsh St. Paul (MN) winter of '69. I also brought in the battery every night... On 1/19/12, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: And FWIW, the dipstick heaters (heater that you insert into the oil dipstick tube) are useless. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Me either. What I NEED to do, is retire and move to God's waiting room, like you did. You really don't miss Indiana winters do you? Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The radiator hose kind are not near as effective as the block heater. For twice the electricity, the heater hose 1500W with pump work on older cars, but you have to leave the heater valves turned on. I don't think it works with the monovalve cars. Far and away the best is the block heater. The maggot (magnet) type might get you through this winter, but if yours has a block heater, buy the cord and some zip ties to fasten the cord. Of the choices previously presented, the magnetic heater (around 400W, if my memory serves me correctly) if by far the least intrusive. I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Just my $0.02. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: No cord. It took a looonnng time to start today. Guess I need to find my round tuit and get the valves set and the oil changed. D'oh. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's if it's installed... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BUT they are most likely a whole lot easier to install and if one needs to do it quickly in the cold, then why not? Put the real one on the list for repairs to be done in warmer weather along with a new rad hose. Randy whose truck wouldn't start this morning most likely because the block heater cord was not firmly pushed into the outlet on the garage wall On 19/01/2012 4:14 PM, Dieselhead wrote: The radiator hose kind are not near as effective as the block heater. For twice the electricity, the heater hose 1500W with pump work on older cars, but you have to leave the heater valves turned on. I don't think it works with the monovalve cars. Far and away the best is the block heater. The maggot (magnet) type might get you through this winter, but if yours has a block heater, buy the cord and some zip ties to fasten the cord. Of the choices previously presented, the magnetic heater (around 400W, if my memory serves me correctly) if by far the least intrusive. I never liked the cut the radiator hose and insert type of heater... Just my $0.02. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
