Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

As I recall, there wasn’t anything “official”, but if a car came in under 
warranty or close to it with the symptoms, it got replaced.

My former 350SDL got either a crate engine or short block, I couldn’t quite 
tell exactly which from the VMI, around 90k.

-D

On Feb 13, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

IIRC, there was a factory recall on the rodbenders to address this problem.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 12:41 PM dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
300SDL version was prone to water jacket leaks in the head/head gasket, as I 
recall. There were later heads (014?) that were redesigned to address the 
issue. 350SDLs had leakage problems as well that when extreme, would cause the 
#1 cylinder (typically) to hydrolock, causing the connecting rod to bend. I 
also recall that there could be issues with cylinder wear, with significant oil 
consumption being the tell (more than 1 quart/1,000 miles, as I recall.)

Correct me on any of this as necessary, my memory is a bit sketchy on these as 
it’s been a while since I’ve dealt with any of them.

-D

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> On 13/02/2024 11:33 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I thought they were the same engine but the 350SDL had 210 ci versus 183 ci 
>> for the 300SDL? I believe the displacement difference would have been a 
>> change in both bore and stroke.
>>
>> Different heads, too, as I recall.
>>
>> -D
>>
> Did they share the problem, or was one worse than the other?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

IIRC, there was a factory recall on the rodbenders to address this problem.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 12:41 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 300SDL version was prone to water jacket leaks in the head/head gasket, as
> I recall. There were later heads (014?) that were redesigned to address the
> issue. 350SDLs had leakage problems as well that when extreme, would cause
> the #1 cylinder (typically) to hydrolock, causing the connecting rod to
> bend. I also recall that there could be issues with cylinder wear, with
> significant oil consumption being the tell (more than 1 quart/1,000 miles,
> as I recall.)
>
> Correct me on any of this as necessary, my memory is a bit sketchy on
> these as it’s been a while since I’ve dealt with any of them.
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 13/02/2024 11:33 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I thought they were the same engine but the 350SDL had 210 ci versus
> 183 ci for the 300SDL? I believe the displacement difference would have
> been a change in both bore and stroke.
> >>
> >> Different heads, too, as I recall.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> > Did they share the problem, or was one worse than the other?
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

300SDL version was prone to water jacket leaks in the head/head gasket, as I 
recall. There were later heads (014?) that were redesigned to address the 
issue. 350SDLs had leakage problems as well that when extreme, would cause the 
#1 cylinder (typically) to hydrolock, causing the connecting rod to bend. I 
also recall that there could be issues with cylinder wear, with significant oil 
consumption being the tell (more than 1 quart/1,000 miles, as I recall.)

Correct me on any of this as necessary, my memory is a bit sketchy on these as 
it’s been a while since I’ve dealt with any of them.

-D

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 13/02/2024 11:33 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I thought they were the same engine but the 350SDL had 210 ci versus 183 ci 
>> for the 300SDL? I believe the displacement difference would have been a 
>> change in both bore and stroke.
>> 
>> Different heads, too, as I recall.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> Did they share the problem, or was one worse than the other?
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 13/02/2024 11:33 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I thought they were the same engine but the 350SDL had 210 ci versus 183 ci for 
the 300SDL? I believe the displacement difference would have been a change in 
both bore and stroke.

Different heads, too, as I recall.

-D


Did they share the problem, or was one worse than the other?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I thought they were the same engine but the 350SDL had 210 ci versus 183 ci for 
the 300SDL? I believe the displacement difference would have been a change in 
both bore and stroke.

Different heads, too, as I recall.

-D

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 350 SDL became known as the rodbender, I believe they started badging 
> them 300SDL at some point to get away from that reputation. At least I recall 
> hearing that.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, at 11:24, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Focus on what's important, please.
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> They are. I wasn’t paying good attention in the initial post.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2024, at 9:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I was taught that the 350SDLs were the rod benders.
 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel <
>>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Add the labor cost to R/R and it gets a little pricey.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:19 PM Allan Streib 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD
>>> like
>> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but
>>> the
>> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing
>>> in on
>> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 617. Looks like a good deal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
> 
> Nice color.
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The 350 SDL became known as the rodbender, I believe they started badging them 
300SDL at some point to get away from that reputation. At least I recall 
hearing that.


On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, at 11:24, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Focus on what's important, please.
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> They are. I wasn’t paying good attention in the initial post.
>>
>> AZBob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 12, 2024, at 9:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I was taught that the 350SDLs were the rod benders.
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Add the labor cost to R/R and it gets a little pricey.
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:19 PM Allan Streib 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.
>> >>>
>>  On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD
>> like
>> >>> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but
>> the
>> >>> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing
>> in on
>> >>> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>  Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
>> 
>>  --FT
>> 
>>  On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> > 617. Looks like a good deal.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
>> >>
>> >> Nice color.
>> >>
>> >> AZBob
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Focus on what's important, please.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They are. I wasn’t paying good attention in the initial post.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 12, 2024, at 9:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was taught that the 350SDLs were the rod benders.
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Add the labor cost to R/R and it gets a little pricey.
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:19 PM Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.
> >>>
>  On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD
> like
> >>> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but
> the
> >>> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing
> in on
> >>> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>  Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
> 
>  --FT
> 
>  On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > 617. Looks like a good deal.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
> >>
> >> Nice color.
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

They are. I wasn’t paying good attention in the initial post. 

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2024, at 9:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was taught that the 350SDLs were the rod benders.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Add the labor cost to R/R and it gets a little pricey.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:19 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.
>>> 
 On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD like
>>> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but the
>>> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing in on
>>> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
 
 --FT
 
 On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 617. Looks like a good deal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
>> 
>> Nice color.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I was taught that the 350SDLs were the rod benders.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Add the labor cost to R/R and it gets a little pricey.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:19 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
>
>> OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD like
>> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but the
>> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing in on
>> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
>> > On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> 617. Looks like a good deal.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
>> >>>
>> >>> Nice color.
>> >>>
>> >>> AZBob
>> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Add the labor cost to R/R and it gets a little pricey.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:19 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD like
> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but the
> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing in on
> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 617. Looks like a good deal.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
> >>>
> >>> Nice color.
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

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OM617s have got to be a dime a dozen. I have one I'd sell cheap.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 23:15, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD like 
> this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but the 
>> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing in on a 
>> quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
>> > On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> 617. Looks like a good deal.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes 
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
>> >>>
>> >>> Nice color.
>> >>>
>> >>> AZBob
>> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Could have lost its oil and fried the engine.  I bought an '83 300TD like
this.  Turned over but wouldn't start.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 10:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> "Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but the
> interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing in on
> a quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 617. Looks like a good deal.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
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> >>> Nice color.
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Doesn’t start" I was gonna say offer $500 and work up from there but the 
interior does look to be in pretty nice shape especially for closing in on a 
quarter-million miles and it's an interesting color.


On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, at 17:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 617. Looks like a good deal.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
>>>
>>> Nice color.
>>>
>>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

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I’m trying to engage the seller to ask him what he means by “will not start”. 
Plus, if it’s still registered or will there be Mucho fees to get it out of the 
PRK. We will see what he says.

AZBob

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> On Feb 12, 2024, at 6:53 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I didn’t look or read very closely because when I posted that I 
> thought it was an SDL.
> My nuclear attention to detail is waning now that I’ve been retired for a 
> minute.
> 
> I’d check that out if I were closer.
> 
> AZBob
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 603 90-95
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 12, 2024, at 5:41 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> which is the rodbender?
>>> 
 On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 6:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 No. This is the million mile engine. Only Arnold can bend the rods.
 
 On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 5:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> 617. Looks like a good deal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> 
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
> 
> 
> 
> Nice color.
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> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Yeah, I didn’t look or read very closely because when I posted that I thought 
it was an SDL. 
My nuclear attention to detail is waning now that I’ve been retired for a 
minute.

I’d check that out if I were closer. 

AZBob

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> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 603 90-95
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 5:41 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> which is the rodbender?
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 6:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No. This is the million mile engine. Only Arnold can bend the rods.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 5:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 617. Looks like a good deal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
 
 
 
 Nice color.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

603 90-95


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2024, at 5:41 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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> which is the rodbender?
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 6:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> No. This is the million mile engine. Only Arnold can bend the rods.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 5:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 617. Looks like a good deal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nice color.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Isn't it the 6 cylinder in the SDL?

Randy

On 12/02/2024 5:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

which is the rodbender?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


No. This is the million mile engine. Only Arnold can bend the rods.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


617. Looks like a good deal.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/



Nice color.



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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

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which is the rodbender?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No. This is the million mile engine. Only Arnold can bend the rods.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 5:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 617. Looks like a good deal.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Offer $1500, probably needs fuel filters.  It looks really nice

--FT

On 2/12/24 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

617. Looks like a good deal.

Sent from my iPhone

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/

Nice color.

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No. This is the million mile engine. Only Arnold can bend the rods.

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> 617. Looks like a good deal.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

617. Looks like a good deal. Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 12, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/ Nice color. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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[MBZ] Rodbender?

[Robert Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1383555115882058/ Nice color. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender $1,595

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So with 269000 miles does that mean the engine has outgrown its Rod bending
phase?

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> Doesn’t look bad aside from being white
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender $1,595

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Doesn’t look bad aside from being white 

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender $1,595

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Could be a good deal. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-sd-mercedes-diesel/7316406828.html
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[MBZ] Rodbender $1,595

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-sd-mercedes-diesel/7316406828.html

Allan

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[MBZ] Rodbender in MI

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not mine, etc, etc.

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5389237120.html

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender in MI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, looks good in the photos.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender in MI



Not mine, etc, etc.

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5389237120.html

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender in MI

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It does but there is something funny about it, something with the side 
moulding. 

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> Well, looks good in the photos.
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> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender in MI

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Diesel badge and star missing from trunk lid, no dealer striping on 
sides, side moldings s'posed to be grey - they seem to have a beige 
tint - car may have been repainted.


Wilt


Maybe paint sprayed over duct tape to cover rust.  "Southern" might 
mean Battle Creek or Benton Harbor.  Hard to tell with out looking at 
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender in MI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Diesel badge and star missing from trunk lid, no dealer striping on sides, 
side moldings s'posed to be grey - they seem to have a beige tint - car may 
have been repainted.


Wilt

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It does but there is something funny about it, something with the side 
moulding.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2016, at 1:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
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Well, looks good in the photos.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender in MI

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Not mine, etc, etc.

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5389237120.html



Nice color too!  At least it is not black, or almost as bad, white.

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[MBZ] rodbender

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

sorry, don't have a link.  just a pitcher.

Musta been a bad day.   or a bad month
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[MBZ] Rodbender?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2182777-1992-300sd-sale.html#post10443393

Just curious

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, same as '90  '91, unless it's had a proper crate engine replacement.

BTW, notice MB's deceptive practice - calling a 350 rodbender a 300 trying 
to make buyers think they were getting one of the more-solid 300's from 
years earlier?


Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender?



http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2182777-1992-300sd-sale.html#post10443393

Just curious

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, same as '90  '91, unless it's had a proper crate engine replacement.

BTW, notice MB's deceptive practice - calling a 350 rodbender a 
300 trying to make buyers think they were getting one of the 
more-solid 300's from years earlier?


Wilton


I'd guess that was the stuffed shirts in MBUSA. But in any case, the 
stuffed shirts in Stuttgart let them get by with that.  It never 
would have happened when MB built real cars.


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So where's the risk?  It's lasted 132 k miles and if it runs properly now,
the odds are it will keep on running for a long time w/o major problems.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Yes, same as '90  '91, unless it's had a proper crate engine replacement.

 BTW, notice MB's deceptive practice - calling a 350 rodbender a 300
 trying to make buyers think they were getting one of the more-solid 300's
 from years earlier?

 Wilton


 I'd guess that was the stuffed shirts in MBUSA. But in any case, the
 stuffed shirts in Stuttgart let them get by with that.  It never would have
 happened when MB built real cars.


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[MBZ] Rodbender crackhead

[Allan Streib]

In the local classifieds:

1991 Mercedes Benz 350 SDL Large sedan, 6 cyl. Diesel. 
Excellent. 108,000 orig. miles. 25 mpg. Sun roof and full
luxuries. Smoke Silver. $9000. 812-824-9131

Not mine, etc.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender crackhead

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 In the local classifieds:

 1991 Mercedes Benz 350 SDL Large sedan, 6 cyl. Diesel.
 Excellent. 108,000 orig. miles. 25 mpg. Sun roof and full
 luxuries. Smoke Silver. $9000. 812-824-9131


Not totally out of line for an absolutely mint late 126 if it has been
de-rod-bended with a new short block (not that that's likely to be the
case).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[Donald Snook]

Rich wrote: Uh-oh, here we go.

Don't worry, they sold the car.

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Rodbender question

[W140]

My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I 
watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it.  So other than all 
the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can tell 
which engine is in the car.
 Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine was 
other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number.
Soo, I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the 
information on file.
Walt Lasher
1992 300SD/S350
Seattle

 

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[pm7088]

So much for 'Numbers Matching' at a Benz Auction. 

My other car is a 1954 Nash Metropolitan, I have factory documentation on it, 
comes from British Heritage Museum. 

We are told that 'Back in the day' , the manufacturers would send out work 
crews to up date when dealers had too much of last years stock. This usually 
simply required a new identification tag riveted on and an adjustment of 
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Subject: [ MBZ ] Rodbender question 


My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I 
watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than all 
the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can tell 
which engine is in the car. 
Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine was 
other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number. 
Soo , I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the 
information on file. 
Walt Lasher 
1992 300SD/S350 
Seattle 


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[WILTON]

In about '54-'55 I lusted in my heart for a mint Metropolitan that sat 
unused in an uncle's home garage; I was driving a '31 Model A Ford 
five-window coupe then.  'Sure wish I could've kept the Model A 'til now - 
well, even the Metro, too - and the '51 Chevy, the '56 Chevy, the '64 Karman 
Ghia, etc.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question



So much for 'Numbers Matching' at a Benz Auction.

My other car is a 1954 Nash Metropolitan, I have factory documentation on 
it, comes from British Heritage Museum.


We are told that 'Back in the day' , the manufacturers would send out work 
crews to up date when dealers had too much of last years stock. This 
usually simply required a new identification tag riveted on and an 
adjustment of paperwork. There were lots of new Metropolitans sold 3 years 
after production stopped!



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- Original Message - 
From: W140 w140@ juno .com

To: mercedes @ okiebenz .com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 9:55:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [ MBZ ] Rodbender question


My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I 
watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than 
all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you 
can tell which engine is in the car.
Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine 
was other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different 
number.
Soo , I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have 
the information on file.

Walt Lasher
1992 300SD/S350
Seattle


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[OK Don]

YES! My memory isn't that far gone afterall! Thanks for corroborating what I
thought I remembered.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, W140 w...@juno.com wrote:


 My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I
 watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it.  So other than
 all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can
 tell which engine is in the car.
  Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine
 was other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number.
 Soo, I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the
 information on file.
 Walt Lasher
 1992 300SD/S350
 Seattle


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[MBZ] Rodbender question

[Donald Snook]

Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is  
there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it  
has been done?

Donald H Snook
McDonald Tinker Law Firm
(316) 263-5851
www.mtsqh.com


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[pm7088]

Bring VIN# to dealer. He can tell you the engine S/N installed at factory. 

Why would you care? Even the bad ones are good for a few weeks 


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Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:00:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question 

Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is 
there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it 
has been done? 

Donald H Snook 
McDonald Tinker Law Firm 
(316) 263-5851 
www.mtsqh.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[Allan Streib]

Take the VIN at the dealer to pull a service history?  Supposedly the
good engines are factory rebuilds, I'd assume most of these were
installed by dealerships.

Allan

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:00 -0600, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
 Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is
 there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it
 has been done?

 Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm
 (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[Rich Thomas]

Uh-oh, here we go.

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Donald Snook wrote:
Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is  
there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it  
has been done?


Donald H Snook
McDonald Tinker Law Firm
(316) 263-5851
www.mtsqh.com


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[WILTON]

Dealer receipt for replacement engine in THAT car?  MB records by VIN?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com

To: Mercedes Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question


Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is  
there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it  
has been done?


Donald H Snook
McDonald Tinker Law Firm
(316) 263-5851
www.mtsqh.com


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I think that a factory rebuild or replacement engine will have a new
serial number, which you can compare to the original vehicle data card.
The EPC data card may or may not have been updated.  The dealer may or
may not have records, depending on if a dealer installed the engine.
Bottom line is that the seller should have paperwork to show the
installation, and if he doesn't then assume original engine and price
accordingly.  If seller is ignorant then you can try to pursue via
dealer and EPC and maybe the original vehicle data card, if available.

I've also heard that a replacement engine (not a rebuild) will have a
blank spot with no number.

-Max

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Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question

Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is
there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it
has been done?

Donald H Snook
McDonald Tinker Law Firm
(316) 263-5851
www.mtsqh.com


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[R A Bennell]

Just ask Kaleb. He has had most of them in his back yard for a while.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question


Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is  
there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it  
has been done?

Donald H Snook
McDonald Tinker Law Firm
(316) 263-5851
www.mtsqh.com


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[Mitch Haley]

I go with 'ask the dealer'.
Serial numbers not matching does not mean the current engine in the car escapes 
rodbender status. It could have come from a salvage vehicle, or worse yet, have 
been rebuilt by incompetents.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
Bring VIN# to dealer. He can tell you the engine S/N installed at factory. 

Why would you care? Even the bad ones are good for a few weeks 



  




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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

[OK Don]

I bought a factory engine for the '76 300D once - they were on sale,
supposedly one of the last two in the Chicago warehouse. It had a blank spot
where the serial number was supposed to be. I heard somewhere that a dealer
was supposed to stamp the original engines number there. Can't verify that
though ---
I was able to use the receipt and tag from that engine to get a decent
settlement from the insurance company when the rusted POS was totalled by a
drunk driver. (The 115 was parked at the time).

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:

 I think that a factory rebuild or replacement engine will have a new
 serial number, which you can compare to the original vehicle data card.
 The EPC data card may or may not have been updated.  The dealer may or
 may not have records, depending on if a dealer installed the engine.
 Bottom line is that the seller should have paperwork to show the
 installation, and if he doesn't then assume original engine and price
 accordingly.  If seller is ignorant then you can try to pursue via
 dealer and EPC and maybe the original vehicle data card, if available.

 I've also heard that a replacement engine (not a rebuild) will have a
 blank spot with no number.

 -Max


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[MBZ] Rodbender?

[Rich Thomas]

   2-tone paint?


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(92 Mercedes 300SD) Great around town car and very comfortable. Exterior 
and interior are in great shape with a beautiful 2-tone grey/blue paint 
job and leather interior. Engine runs great and has 237K easy driven 
miles on the car. $3500 OBO. (843)-301-9402



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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender?

[WILTON]

Wrong year?

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender?




   2-tone paint?


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   92 Mercedes 300SD - $3500 (Summerville)


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(92 Mercedes 300SD) Great around town car and very comfortable. Exterior 
and interior are in great shape with a beautiful 2-tone grey/blue paint 
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on the car. $3500 OBO. (843)-301-9402



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Re: [MBZ] rodbender...

[Allan Streib]

Found out a bit more about this... all evidence is that the engine is original. 
 Dealer services records show a lot of scheduled maintenance was performed but 
no engine problems are documented so far.

Thought I'd pass this along... I don't want to part with $4,900 right now.


On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:57 -0500, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536521989.html
 
 Any chance it's really gone 250K miles without bending?
 
 Allan

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[MBZ] Rodbender ?

[Howard Fulford]

Hi All

Happy New Year

My knowledge, and experience, of MB's is fairly limited - can someone 
explain what a 'Rodbender' is ?


I've seen the term used often on here, and I know it's re: a particular 
engine - someone educate me further !



Howard
Bath
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'93 1.8 190E 5-speed manual, 166153 miles

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender ?

[Donald Snook]

Howard wrote: My knowledge, and experience, of MB's is fairly limited - can 
someone
explain what a 'Rodbender' is ? I've seen the term used often on here, and I 
know it's re: a particular
engine - someone educate me further!

I don't know if someone else has already answered this but, the term comes from 
tendency of certain MB diesel engines to bend the rods.  This occurs on the 126 
diesel in 1991 and then on 140 Chassis diesels.  The 126 is called the 350SDL 
(it has the 3.5 diesel engine).  I think the 3.5 is a bored out version of the 
3.0 diesel that was in the 87 300D.  The 140 Chassis is called 300SD or 350SD 
depending on the year.  Regardless of its nomenclature, the 3.5 diesel engine 
is the rodbender - even if the car is called a 300SD in the 140 Chassis.  Don't 
get that confused with the 126 300SD. That was a fantastic engine and a great 
car.

Many (including folks on this list) theorize that the real cause of the problem 
is the head gasket which fails at #1 cylinder.  Then, when coolant gets into 
the cylinder it causes hydropressure which bends the #1 rod.  Others believe 
that the rods are the problem and the head gasket problem is a separate failure 
and is not the cause of the rod problem.  Dr. Marshall Booth was a previous 
lister who said that the only way to correct the rodbender problem was to have 
a total factory rebuild.  Others have said that you can just replace the rods 
with the new beefier versions if you have not already worn the bore/cylinders 
to an oval shape.  Rodbenders are characterized by increasing oil consumption 
and eventually failure of pistons if the problem is not corrected.  It is 
possible to replace the rods, sleeve the cylinders and probably correct the 
problem.

We will know more when Kaleb gets his car figured out because I think he is 
just going to do the headgasket and replace #1 rod.

Speaking of this, Kaleb, I have some anecdotal evidence to support your theory. 
I was asking my indy about your idea.  He said he had a customer that did the 
same thing.  He replaced only #1 rod and it worked fine.  Now, the data is 
limited because the customer ended up trading the car off after 40,000 miles.  
But, in the 40,000 miles, he had no catastrophic failures.  He did have some 
oil consumption, but nothing too bad.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender ?

[Allan Streib]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:13 -0600, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Regardless of its nomenclature, the 3.5 diesel engine is the rodbender - even 
 if the
 car is called a 300SD in the 140 Chassis.  Don't get that confused with
 the 126 300SD. That was a fantastic engine and a great car.

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/1536356032.html

Too bad about the veg oil conversion.  I'm wondering if that's why this car is 
for sale.  Pretty low miles... shame.


Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender ?

[WILTON]

'90 350SD/SDL (126) also rodbender.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com

To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rodbender ?


Howard wrote: My knowledge, and experience, of MB's is fairly limited - 
can someone
explain what a 'Rodbender' is ? I've seen the term used often on here, and 
I know it's re: a particular

engine - someone educate me further!

I don't know if someone else has already answered this but, the term comes 
from tendency of certain MB diesel engines to bend the rods.  This occurs 
on the 126 diesel in 1991 and then on 140 Chassis diesels.  The 126 is 
called the 350SDL (it has the 3.5 diesel engine).  I think the 3.5 is a 
bored out version of the 3.0 diesel that was in the 87 300D.  The 140 
Chassis is called 300SD or 350SD depending on the year.  Regardless of its 
nomenclature, the 3.5 diesel engine is the rodbender - even if the car is 
called a 300SD in the 140 Chassis.  Don't get that confused with the 126 
300SD. That was a fantastic engine and a great car.


Many (including folks on this list) theorize that the real cause of the 
problem is the head gasket which fails at #1 cylinder.  Then, when coolant 
gets into the cylinder it causes hydropressure which bends the #1 rod. 
Others believe that the rods are the problem and the head gasket problem 
is a separate failure and is not the cause of the rod problem.  Dr. 
Marshall Booth was a previous lister who said that the only way to correct 
the rodbender problem was to have a total factory rebuild.  Others have 
said that you can just replace the rods with the new beefier versions if 
you have not already worn the bore/cylinders to an oval shape.  Rodbenders 
are characterized by increasing oil consumption and eventually failure of 
pistons if the problem is not corrected.  It is possible to replace the 
rods, sleeve the cylinders and probably correct the problem.


We will know more when Kaleb gets his car figured out because I think he 
is just going to do the headgasket and replace #1 rod.


Speaking of this, Kaleb, I have some anecdotal evidence to support your 
theory. I was asking my indy about your idea.  He said he had a customer 
that did the same thing.  He replaced only #1 rod and it worked fine. 
Now, the data is limited because the customer ended up trading the car off 
after 40,000 miles.  But, in the 40,000 miles, he had no catastrophic 
failures.  He did have some oil consumption, but nothing too bad.



Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender - thanks

[Howard Fulford]

Donald

Thanks for that clear explanation !


Howard Fulford

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender ?

[Redghost]

Rod bender  refers to the later OM603.xx engine used in the 1990-95  
diesel w126 and w140 of the SD class.  The rods would fail and lead to  
ovaling of cylinders.


clay

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Howard Fulford wrote:


Hi All

Happy New Year

My knowledge, and experience, of MB's is fairly limited - can  
someone explain what a 'Rodbender' is ?


I've seen the term used often on here, and I know it's re: a  
particular engine - someone educate me further !



Howard
Bath
England
'93 1.8 190E 5-speed manual, 166153 miles

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Re: [MBZ] Rodbender ?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats good to know, because thats probably what I am going to end up 
doing.  Wonder how much wear that guy had on the #1 cylinder walls.


Donald Snook wrote:

Howard wrote: My knowledge, and experience, of MB's is fairly limited - can 
someone
explain what a 'Rodbender' is ? I've seen the term used often on here, and I 
know it's re: a particular
engine - someone educate me further!

I don't know if someone else has already answered this but, the term comes from 
tendency of certain MB diesel engines to bend the rods.  This occurs on the 126 
diesel in 1991 and then on 140 Chassis diesels.  The 126 is called the 350SDL 
(it has the 3.5 diesel engine).  I think the 3.5 is a bored out version of the 
3.0 diesel that was in the 87 300D.  The 140 Chassis is called 300SD or 350SD 
depending on the year.  Regardless of its nomenclature, the 3.5 diesel engine 
is the rodbender - even if the car is called a 300SD in the 140 Chassis.  Don't 
get that confused with the 126 300SD. That was a fantastic engine and a great 
car.

Many (including folks on this list) theorize that the real cause of the problem 
is the head gasket which fails at #1 cylinder.  Then, when coolant gets into 
the cylinder it causes hydropressure which bends the #1 rod.  Others believe 
that the rods are the problem and the head gasket problem is a separate failure 
and is not the cause of the rod problem.  Dr. Marshall Booth was a previous 
lister who said that the only way to correct the rodbender problem was to have 
a total factory rebuild.  Others have said that you can just replace the rods 
with the new beefier versions if you have not already worn the bore/cylinders 
to an oval shape.  Rodbenders are characterized by increasing oil consumption 
and eventually failure of pistons if the problem is not corrected.  It is 
possible to replace the rods, sleeve the cylinders and probably correct the 
problem.

We will know more when Kaleb gets his car figured out because I think he is 
just going to do the headgasket and replace #1 rod.

Speaking of this, Kaleb, I have some anecdotal evidence to support your theory. 
I was asking my indy about your idea.  He said he had a customer that did the 
same thing.  He replaced only #1 rod and it worked fine.  Now, the data is 
limited because the customer ended up trading the car off after 40,000 miles.  
But, in the 40,000 miles, he had no catastrophic failures.  He did have some 
oil consumption, but nothing too bad.


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] rodbender...

[Allan Streib]

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536521989.html

Any chance it's really gone 250K miles without bending?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender...

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, very good chance.

Allan Streib wrote:

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536521989.html

Any chance it's really gone 250K miles without bending?

Allan

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85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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[MBZ] rodbender on ebay

[Donald Snook]

Check out the description of this car.  I think the rods are already bent. This 
poor seller is in over his head.

http://tiny.cc/ysm4d


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender on ebay

[tyler]

It's quite a shame. Mercedes diesels have such an incredible reputation, 
that so many people buy these for super high prices without knowing that 
this specific model doesn't live up to the reputation at all.


Tyler

Donald Snook wrote:

Check out the description of this car.  I think the rods are already bent. This 
poor seller is in over his head.

http://tiny.cc/ysm4d


Donald H. Snook
  


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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Hendrik Fay]

Those test will indicate that there is a problem but not the exact 
nature of it.

Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote:
 Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc?

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[dave walton]

Local dealer quoted me $140 for a rod, then charged me $190 when I
went to pick it up. I replaced 3 lifters and a few bolts and got to
buy lots of new tools that I'll never use again.
Overall it was a good experience. Cylinders were okay. But I know it
is a ticking time bomb because there was no way to grind off enough
metal to match the weight of the other rods. Probably should have
replaced all of them - but there are about 20 other things that should
have been replaced as well which would have cost $1000's more. When it
finally dies I will put in a new engine.

-Dave Walton

On 11/8/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing 
 it? For example, if the rods are bent
 and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that 
 appears to be alright is it wise to
 fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless?

 Randy



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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Mitch Haley]

If the cylinders and pistons are good, you can fix it for something like
$250 a rod (x6) plus gaskets, rings, etc. I'd budget $2000-2500 if I
were doing all the labor myself.
AFAIK, only MBZ seems to be able to redo the block so that the engine
will last hundreds of kilomiles after the rebuild. Not sure what a
reman engine costs in today's worthless greenbacks.

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[dave walton]

In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak
down test results, so I did not bother.

You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes
above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump
makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you leave the timing
chain attached. It's actually rather dangerous if you don't.
The current head gasket has more reinforcement at the oil channel in
front of the #1 cylinder, so replacing it is a good thing. It's a
common failure point. 100% of the rodbenders I've owned experienced
that failure ( 1 out of 1 :-).

-Dave Walton


On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? I probably 
have bent rods on my 140, it uses way too much oil, but does not smoke at 
all.  Maybe its going somewhere else.

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 Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote:

 Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc?

 It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods
 have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind
 the car indicates much the same thing)

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

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Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing 
it? For example, if the rods are bent
and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that 
appears to be alright is it wise to
fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless?

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

I have never seen that on a rod bender, but have on the 601 and 602 engines.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question


 In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak
 down test results, so I did not bother.
 
 You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes
 above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump
 makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you leave the timing
 chain attached. It's actually rather dangerous if you don't.
 The current head gasket has more reinforcement at the oil channel in
 front of the #1 cylinder, so replacing it is a good thing. It's a
 common failure point. 100% of the rodbenders I've owned experienced
 that failure ( 1 out of 1 :-).
 
 -Dave Walton
 
 
 On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc?

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote:
 
 Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc?

It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods
have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind
the car indicates much the same thing)

Mitch.

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[MBZ] rodbender question

[Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)]

Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc?

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
 
 So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? 

If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong. 
Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend?
Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and measure
the length of the protruding valve stem?
Maybe pull the prechambers and look at the cylinder walls with a borescope?
If you've got crosshatching all the way around, you know you haven't egged
the cylinder walls yet, but I guess you still wouldn't know if the rods
were OK. 

Maybe stick the borescope through the drain plug and do a visual on the rods?
Does a scope focus far enough away to look at the WHOLE rod and not just a
close-up of the surface?

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Yea maybe.  Well if and when I have bent rods, I am either going to see if 
the rodbender military version engine I have in my garage is good, if not, 
Im going to go the 606 route.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question




 Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:

 So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test?

 If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong.
 Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend?
 Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and measure
 the length of the protruding valve stem?
 Maybe pull the prechambers and look at the cylinder walls with a 
 borescope?
 If you've got crosshatching all the way around, you know you haven't egged
 the cylinder walls yet, but I guess you still wouldn't know if the rods
 were OK.

 Maybe stick the borescope through the drain plug and do a visual on the 
 rods?
 Does a scope focus far enough away to look at the WHOLE rod and not just a
 close-up of the surface?

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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Peter Frederick]

Check the turbo seals -- lots of oil in the intake with no significant 
blowby means the bearings in the turbo are shot, allowing the shaft to 
eat the seals.  Lotta oil up the intake, usually, followed by serious 
oil smoke out the back on acceleration.  Usually accompanied by a 
lazy turbo because it doesn't rotate a low load.

Pull the intake hose and spin the turbo by hand (engine off, please!).  
Any axial play (a bit of side to side is OK, audible clunk is not) or 
stiffeness in rotation is a bad turbo.  Should spin easily with finger 
pressure and continue for a bit when you let go, although diesel turbos 
are stiffer than gasser ones for some reason.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[Peter Frederick]

I seem to remember something about NOT sleeving the 350, but the 300 is 
sleeved at the factory.  New sleeves, rods, pistons, and bearings were 
$5000 six or so years ago when I thought I might need to rebuild my 
603.  More now.

Engine can be rebuilt, but it will likely cost more than a new one, 
those piston sets are EXPENSIVE, and so are the new rods (you can't get 
single replacements for the old ones, the only available rods --the 
good ones -- are 50 gr or so heavier and you must do all six.)

Factory long block is around $7000.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

[James Zavesky]

Stuck rings? Any carbon in the oil pan?

Jim 

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 Striplin, work
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
 
 So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a 
 test? I probably have bent rods on my 140, it uses way too 
 much oil, but does not smoke at all.  Maybe its going somewhere else.
 
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 Cox Auto Trader
 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
 
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 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
 
 
 
 
  Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote:
 
  Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc?
 
  It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods
  have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind
  the car indicates much the same thing)
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[Luther]

$10?  No, but it's not much higher.  I figure someone will come in and out bid
me, so I want to keep later bids lower.  I'll come back on Saturday and put in
my official highest bid to hopefully win the auction.  We'll see.

--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work


Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



In a message dated 9/24/2006 12:17:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Will a  '90 350SDL rod bender head work on a '87 300SDL?



Luthor,

Now that you have opposing  opinions, I hope Dave Mienman will chime  in as
he has done this.  And his photo website is open to the public.   My
recollection is that the later heads have an inclined pre chamber 
which CAN  be machined

and shimmed to use the older vertical pre chambers and  injectors.  What I
don't know is if there is any corresponding change in  the tops of 
the pistons

which would preclude using the later head, with the  later pre chambers and
injectors on the 87 engine.  You should ask the  seller for a photo 
of the top of

his pistons.

Keep us informed,  $10 is not your top bid is it!!!?

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Why would you want to go thru the trouble of machining the head to make 
the old injectors work when it would be much easier to just use the 
newer style injectors?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
In a message dated 9/24/2006 12:17:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Will a  '90 350SDL rod bender head work on a '87 300SDL?



Luthor,
 
Now that you have opposing  opinions, I hope Dave Mienman will chime  in as 
he has done this.  And his photo website is open to the public.   My 
recollection is that the later heads have an inclined pre chamber which CAN  be machined 
and shimmed to use the older vertical pre chambers and  injectors.  What I 
don't know is if there is any corresponding change in  the tops of the pistons 
which would preclude using the later head, with the  later pre chambers and 
injectors on the 87 engine.  You should ask the  seller for a photo of the top of 
his pistons.  
 
Keep us informed,  $10 is not your top bid is it!!!?  


Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles


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Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:01:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why  would you want to go thru the trouble of machining the head to make 
the  old injectors work when it would be much easier to just use the 
newer  style injectors?



Kaleb,
 
As I mentioned, I do not know if the later heads with the angled pre  
chambers are compatible with the pistons on the 87 603 type  engines.  Do you 
have 
that information? 
 
If you bought a bare, new, late model head for your 87 603, like Dave M  did, 
you would want to use your old pre chambers and injectors if they were  still 
servicable..
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

[MBZ] rodbender head

[Luther]

Will a '90 350SDL rod bender head work on a '87 300SDL?

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'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[Luther]

Already bidding and asking how much for shipping and the part number 
off of the

head.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200030653234
--
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work


Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Did you find one?

Luther wrote:


Not a problem.  I can handle that.  This is good news.

Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[OK Don]

Do you have an engine that needs it

On 9/24/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Already bidding and asking how much for shipping and the part number
off of the
head.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200030653234
--
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Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:25:17 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Already bidding and asking how much for shipping and the part number 
 off of the
 head.
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200030653234

Do you get the cam, too?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] rodbender head

[OK Don]

Getting the cam, valves, etc. would make it that much more desirable.

He also has an IP  -- just the thing to send to the Fins for a little re-work!

http://tinyurl.com/zucut

On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:25:17 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Already bidding and asking how much for shipping and the part number
 off of the
 head.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200030653234

Do you get the cam, too?


Craig



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[MBZ] Rodbender on ebay # 4643645473

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/350-SDL-Southern-Car-No-Rust-Turbo-Diesel
-Clean_W0QQitemZ4643645473QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

This rodbender has 300K on it. How is that possible?  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

1992 Olds 98 122k 

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender on ebay # 4643645473

[dave walton]

They probably clocked it.

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 5/26/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/350-SDL-Southern-Car-No-Rust-Turbo-Diesel
-Clean_W0QQitemZ4643645473QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



This rodbender has 300K on it. How is that possible?





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

1992 Olds 98 122k

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