Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Just a follow on tidbit. To the electric plane idea. It is pretty much
going to happen, primarily because the military wants some silent options,
but also strategically for low carbon fuel power options for the military.
Like most things in aviation, the military seems to get the new stuff first.

Here is nasa doing its part to lay the groundwork for public/private
development of motors for electric regional passenger jets:

sbir.nasa.gov/SBIR/abstracts/16/sttr/phase2/STTR-16-2-T15.01-9808.html

On Jul 17, 2017 5:11 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> > July 17, 2017
> >
> > Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> > vehicles.
> >
> > By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> > barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> to a
> > recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >
> > That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> the
> > last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> > 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> PLC's
> > prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> ASA,
> > Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> > sales by 2030.
> >
> > And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> > market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >
> > While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> > their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> > expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> > batteries.
> >
> > Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
> on
> > the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> > Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >  oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
> > July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > >
> > > ELECTRIC VEHICLES Oil companies are increasingly
> > > nervous

> > Floyd Thursby wrote:
> >
> > You won't believe what happens next!

> Andrew wrote:
>
> Curt why are you so defensive?

You replied to Floyd.  Why are you calling him "Curt"?

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve ranted about this enough in the past, but our poor performance in solar 
production, despite being the “Sunshine State”, is due largely to the utilities 
having our state legislators in their pockets and doing everything they can do 
discourage solar power.

-D


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> MA is producing as much if not more solar than sunny Florida. 
> 
> Finding real rankings is pretty hard, this one looks the most reasonable of 
> what I could find:https://openpv.nrel.gov/rankingsThey say Florida makes 
> about 135MW of solar, MA is 1941MW.
> Interesting to note that by count CA is ahead of pretty much everybody else 
> put together. Not a huge surprise...
> 
> 
> 
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

MA is producing as much if not more solar than sunny Florida. 

Finding real rankings is pretty hard, this one looks the most reasonable of 
what I could find:https://openpv.nrel.gov/rankingsThey say Florida makes about 
135MW of solar, MA is 1941MW.
Interesting to note that by count CA is ahead of pretty much everybody else put 
together. Not a huge surprise...



-Curt


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 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
There is a good bit of research, both public and private, being done on long 
distance power transmission; the idea being to produce massive amounts of solar 
power in the sunny south and send it to the bleak north.

https://www.google.com/search?site=webhp=hp=long+distance+power+transmission+research=long+distance+power+transmission+research_l=psy-ab.3...2700.18894.0.19279.42.41.0.0.0.0.459.6592.0j26j5j1j1.33.00...1.1.64.psy-ab..9.32.6404.0..0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i10k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.HfdZ4cYHf0w
~
> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
> time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
> homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
> all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
> think a snow machine will be battery powered.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
> > tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics 
> > and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, 
> > how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> >> July 17, 2017
> >> 
> >> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >> vehicles.
> >> 
> >> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> >> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
> >> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >> 
> >> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
> >> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
> >> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
> >> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >> sales by 2030.
> >> 
> >> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >> 
> >> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >> batteries.
> >> 
> >> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
> >> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >> ,
> >> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

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There is a good bit of research, both public and private, being done on long 
distance power transmission; the idea being to produce massive amounts of solar 
power in the sunny south and send it to the bleak north.

https://www.google.com/search?site=webhp=hp=long+distance+power+transmission+research=long+distance+power+transmission+research_l=psy-ab.3...2700.18894.0.19279.42.41.0.0.0.0.459.6592.0j26j5j1j1.33.00...1.1.64.psy-ab..9.32.6404.0..0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i10k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.HfdZ4cYHf0w
~
> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
> time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
> homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
> all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
> think a snow machine will be battery powered.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
> > tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics 
> > and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, 
> > how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> >> July 17, 2017
> >> 
> >> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >> vehicles.
> >> 
> >> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> >> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
> >> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >> 
> >> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
> >> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
> >> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
> >> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >> sales by 2030.
> >> 
> >> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >> 
> >> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >> batteries.
> >> 
> >> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
> >> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >> ,
> >> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

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> On July 18, 2017 at 5:57 PM clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
> time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
> homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
> all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
> think a snow machine will be battery powered.

The Chevy Spark EV was sold in 3 states, but I believe it was sold in all 
Provinces. Maybe I should look for one in Toronto. 

Mitch.

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe not, but EVs will surely increase in market share overall going
forward.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:57 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very
> long time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of
> the way homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local
> genny and all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.
> I do not think a snow machine will be battery powered.
>
>
> clay
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished:
> Monday,
> >> July 17, 2017
> >>
> >> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >> vehicles.
> >>
> >> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> >> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> to a
> >> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >>
> >> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> the
> >> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> PLC's
> >> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> ASA,
> >> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >> sales by 2030.
> >>
> >> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >>
> >> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >> batteries.
> >>
> >> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530
> million on
> >> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >>  oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

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I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
think a snow machine will be battery powered.


clay

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics 
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, 
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>> July 17, 2017
>> 
>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>> vehicles.
>> 
>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>> 
>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>> sales by 2030.
>> 
>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>> 
>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>> 
>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>> ,
>> July 14). *— AAA*
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That's the rental I had. Lots of fancy displays and stuff. In the three weeks I 
had mine I averages around 39 mpg.  Tiny fuel tank, like ten gallons. I think I 
put less than 15 gallons of gas in it for the three weeks.

Just for grins I looked at what one cost new - depending on how it was 
optioned, about $25-$30k. However, there were a number of local dealers that 
had demos or program cars with low miles and full warranties you could purchase 
in the mid teens. That would make sense.

Eight year warranty on the battery and related components.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> OK Don wrote:
>> Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
>> will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
>> around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
>> hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.
> 
> Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
> accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long 
> distances, and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius 
> technoloy  and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more 
> popular and more widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 
> lbs and got an average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The MB E250 gets low 40's.


On 7/17/2017 9:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

OK Don wrote:

Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.


Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long distances, 
and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius technoloy  
and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more popular and more 
widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 lbs and got an 
average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
Gerry

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My in-laws have a regular v6 Fusion, its a pretty nice car. If I needed a 
hybrid I'd go with that before a Prius. Since its a Ford it'd be cheaper and 
people wouldn't hate you as much driving it as they do the average Prius. 
39mpg is no great shakes these days though, lots of cars in that class can do 
it without hybrid.
-Curt


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OK Don wrote:
> Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
> will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
> around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
> hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.

Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long distances, 
and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius technoloy  
and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more popular and more 
widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 lbs and got an 
average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

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OK Don wrote:
> Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
> will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
> around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
> hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.

Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long distances, 
and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius technoloy  
and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more popular and more 
widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 lbs and got an 
average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Isn't electric...
Speaking of, I saw a Bolt last week for the first time, not a terrible looking 
car, I only saw it from the rear though.

-Curt


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> On July 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high 
> ground (out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require 
> multiple refueling stops.

Chevy Volt?

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, but auto gas is a very significant percentage of their sales - losing
even 5% would really upset them.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Right, but the oil companies are still making and selling it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Tractors, combines, trains, and most airplanes don't burn gasoline. They
> > burn Diesel or heavier oil, or Jet-A. The general aviation fleet that
> still
> > burns gasoline uses such a small percentage of the total gasoline
> > production that we're still buying 100LL , yes - LEAD - gasoline because
> > there has not been enough demand to warrant the development of a no lead
> > 100 octane aviation fuel. There are a couple of attempts at that now, but
> > we're still 2 -5 years out from being able to buy fuel for our Cessnas
> that
> > won't foul the plugs while taxing to the runway at the airport pumps. (I
> > haul my fuel from the local no alcohol auto fuel source in a 55 gallon
> > barrel).
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> >> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes.
> Plastics
> >> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products.
> Also,
> >> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished:
> Monday,
> >>> July 17, 2017
> >>>
> >>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >>> vehicles.
> >>>
> >>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8
> million
> >>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> >> to a
> >>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >>>
> >>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> >> the
> >>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> >> PLC's
> >>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> >> ASA,
> >>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >>> sales by 2030.
> >>>
> >>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >>>
> >>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >>> batteries.
> >>>
> >>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530
> million
> >> on
> >>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >>>  >> oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
> >>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Right, but the oil companies are still making and selling it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Tractors, combines, trains, and most airplanes don't burn gasoline. They
> burn Diesel or heavier oil, or Jet-A. The general aviation fleet that still
> burns gasoline uses such a small percentage of the total gasoline
> production that we're still buying 100LL , yes - LEAD - gasoline because
> there has not been enough demand to warrant the development of a no lead
> 100 octane aviation fuel. There are a couple of attempts at that now, but
> we're still 2 -5 years out from being able to buy fuel for our Cessnas that
> won't foul the plugs while taxing to the runway at the airport pumps. (I
> haul my fuel from the local no alcohol auto fuel source in a 55 gallon
> barrel).
> 
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
>> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
>> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
>> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>>> July 17, 2017
>>> 
>>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>>> vehicles.
>>> 
>>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
>> to a
>>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>>> 
>>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
>> the
>>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
>> PLC's
>>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
>> ASA,
>>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>>> sales by 2030.
>>> 
>>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>>> 
>>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>>> batteries.
>>> 
>>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
>> on
>>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>>> > oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
>>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Tractors, combines, trains, and most airplanes don't burn gasoline. They
burn Diesel or heavier oil, or Jet-A. The general aviation fleet that still
burns gasoline uses such a small percentage of the total gasoline
production that we're still buying 100LL , yes - LEAD - gasoline because
there has not been enough demand to warrant the development of a no lead
100 octane aviation fuel. There are a couple of attempts at that now, but
we're still 2 -5 years out from being able to buy fuel for our Cessnas that
won't foul the plugs while taxing to the runway at the airport pumps. (I
haul my fuel from the local no alcohol auto fuel source in a 55 gallon
barrel).

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> > July 17, 2017
> >
> > Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> > vehicles.
> >
> > By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> > barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> to a
> > recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >
> > That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> the
> > last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> > 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> PLC's
> > prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> ASA,
> > Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> > sales by 2030.
> >
> > And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> > market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >
> > While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> > their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> > expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> > batteries.
> >
> > Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
> on
> > the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> > Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >  oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
> > July 14). *— AAA*
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics and 
many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, how do 
they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> July 17, 2017
> 
> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> vehicles.
> 
> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> 
> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> sales by 2030.
> 
> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> 
> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> batteries.
> 
> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> ,
> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.

Back to the oil companies story - they were talking about the production of
gasoline (I think), which is not (in most cases) used to produce
electricity. Burning natural gas seems to be the preferred fuel for that
today, though it might change tomorrow. The non-uranium fission process
(cobalt?) actually looks the best to me, now that the wind turbines are
marching towards my backyard :-)

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On July 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high
> ground (out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require
> multiple refueling stops.
>
> Chevy Volt?
>
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high 
> ground (out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require 
> multiple refueling stops.

Chevy Volt?

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you don't run the AC an EV will take you farther per unit of energy stored 
because it doesn't waste energy needlessly clicking over its own engine.
We've already covered this, you're not a good candidate for an EV, if I were 
tyrant you'd be put on the "can't have one" list which would of course generate 
demand, anything somebody can't have is obviously something other people will 
want. ;)

-Curt


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Cc: Max Dillon 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high ground 
(out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require multiple 
refueling stops.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2017 3:33:25 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
>don't fall asleep at the wheel.
>
>On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
>> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial
>penalties on
>> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs
>will
>> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free
>market.
>>
>> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the
>cost
>> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of
>making EVs
>> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this
>country
>> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did
>not use
>> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>Floyd
>> Thursby via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>>
>> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR,
>which
>> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of
>handwringing
>> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge
>amount
>> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the
>stuff
>> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a
>good
>> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter
>in
>> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production,
>oil/gasoline
>> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point
>like 100
>> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one
>might
>> define it).
>>
>> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a
>partisan
>> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to
>be
>> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international
>market
>> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something
>that
>> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no
>sense
>> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very
>strong
>> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position
>similar to
>> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more
>money
>> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>>
>> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about
>Peak
>> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to
>run
>> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so
>I'm
>> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Your replies would look better if you put them on the right
>message.
>> > I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb
>people.
>> > It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars
>will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>> > "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will
>comprise
>> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a
>sentence
>> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It
>should
>> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything,
>maybe
>> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but
>clearly
>> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the
>sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as
>saying",
>> real believable right?
>> > Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>> >
>> > -Curt
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high ground 
(out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require multiple 
refueling stops.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2017 3:33:25 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
>don't fall asleep at the wheel.
>
>On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
>> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial
>penalties on
>> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs
>will
>> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free
>market.
>>
>> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the
>cost
>> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of
>making EVs
>> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this
>country
>> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did
>not use
>> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>Floyd
>> Thursby via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>>
>> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR,
>which
>> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of
>handwringing
>> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge
>amount
>> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the
>stuff
>> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a
>good
>> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter
>in
>> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production,
>oil/gasoline
>> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point
>like 100
>> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one
>might
>> define it).
>>
>> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a
>partisan
>> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to
>be
>> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international
>market
>> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something
>that
>> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no
>sense
>> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very
>strong
>> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position
>similar to
>> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more
>money
>> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>>
>> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about
>Peak
>> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to
>run
>> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so
>I'm
>> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Your replies would look better if you put them on the right
>message.
>> > I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb
>people.
>> > It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars
>will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>> > "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will
>comprise
>> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a
>sentence
>> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It
>should
>> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything,
>maybe
>> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but
>clearly
>> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the
>sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as
>saying",
>> real believable right?
>> > Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>> >
>> > -Curt
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Clickers in the spokes of the wheels? Electronic engine sound? They even have 
that option available on some electric RC cars.
Kevin and Hillsboro, Oregon 

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> On Jul 17, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
> don't fall asleep at the wheel.
> 
> On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
>> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial penalties on
>> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs will
>> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free market.
>> 
>> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the cost
>> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of making EVs
>> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this country
>> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did not use
>> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd
>> Thursby via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>> 
>> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which
>> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing
>> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount
>> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff
>> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good
>> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter in
>> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline
>> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point like 100
>> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one might
>> define it).
>> 
>> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan
>> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be
>> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market
>> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that
>> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense
>> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong
>> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to
>> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money
>> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>> 
>> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak
>> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run
>> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm
>> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
>>> I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
>>> It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>>> "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise
>> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence
>> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should
>> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe
>> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly
>> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying",
>> real believable right?
>>> Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
don't fall asleep at the wheel.

On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial penalties on
> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs will
> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free market.
>
> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the cost
> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of making EVs
> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this country
> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did not use
> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd
> Thursby via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>
> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which
> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing
> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount
> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff
> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good
> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter in
> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline
> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point like 100
> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one might
> define it).
>
> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan
> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be
> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market
> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that
> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense
> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong
> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to
> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money
> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>
> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak
> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run
> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm
> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
> > I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
> > It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will
> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
> > "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise
> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence
> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should
> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe
> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly
> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence
> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying",
> real believable right?
> > Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
> >
> > -Curt
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining Norway's 
massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial penalties on IC engine 
vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs will continue to be 
sold without these massive interferences in the free market.

And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the cost even 
further. And if battery technology improves to the point of making EVs 
competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this country 
great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did not use a 
preposition to end a sentence with!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd 
Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which I did 
not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing about the 
projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount into the market, 
and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff soon.  It is displacing 
coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good thing, esp for electricity 
production.  I have not studied the matter in detail of how EVs would affect 
the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline usage, etc. but kinda like cars 
affected hay prices at some point like 100 yr ago, I'm sure this is just 
another step in progress (however one might define it).

I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan 
political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be 
laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market was 
squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that would be 
more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense that the 
rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong economic 
warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to the end of 
the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money and better 
technology.  Kinda makes sense.

I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak Oil and 
we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run our dizzels.  
Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm thinking that has 
not yet happened. So there's that.

--FT


On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
> I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
> It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will come 
> from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
> "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 
> percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with 
> "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should also be 
> noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an 
> economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not one 
> dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence should 
> really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying", real 
> believable right?
> Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>
> -Curt 



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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You should send an angry letter to Bloomberg.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which
> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing
> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount
> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff
> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good
> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter in
> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline
> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point like 100
> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one might
> define it).
>
> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan
> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be
> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market
> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that
> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense
> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong
> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to
> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money
> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>
> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak
> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run
> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm
> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
>> I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
>> It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>> "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30
>> percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with
>> "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should also
>> be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an
>> economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not
>> one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying",
>> real believable right?
>> Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>   Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:38 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>> Curt why are you so defensive?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> You won't believe what happens next!
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
 July 17, 2017

 Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
 vehicles.

 By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
 barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
 to
 a
 recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

 That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
 the
 last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
 PLC's
 prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
 ASA,
 Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
 sales by 2030.

 And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
 market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

 While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
 their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
 expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
 batteries.

 Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
 on
 the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
 Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
 ,
 July 14). *— AAA*
 ___

Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, 
which I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of 
handwringing about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a 
huge amount into the market, and that the US will need to start 
exporting the stuff soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems 
like it would be a good thing, esp for electricity production.  I have 
not studied the matter in detail of how EVs would affect the grid, 
electron production, oil/gasoline usage, etc. but kinda like cars 
affected hay prices at some point like 100 yr ago, I'm sure this is just 
another step in progress (however one might define it).


I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan 
political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be 
laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market 
was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something 
that would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no 
sense that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a 
very strong economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the 
position similar to the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more 
supplies and more money and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.


I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak 
Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run 
our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm 
thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.


--FT


On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will come 
from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
"And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new sales by 
2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with "And", that ought to be enough to discount 
it right there. It should also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an 
economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not one dumb enough to have his or her 
name attached to it.So the sentence should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as 
saying", real believable right?
Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...

-Curt


   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

Curt why are you so defensive?


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You won't believe what happens next!

--FT


On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to
a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of

Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will come 
from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air. 
"And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 
percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with 
"And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should also be 
noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an 
economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not one 
dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence should 
really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying", real 
believable right?
Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...

-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
Curt why are you so defensive?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You won't believe what happens next!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>> July 17, 2017
>>
>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to
>> a
>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>>
>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
>> the
>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
>> ASA,
>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>> sales by 2030.
>>
>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>>
>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>>
>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
>> on
>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>> > just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curt why are you so defensive?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You won't believe what happens next!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>> July 17, 2017
>>
>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to
>> a
>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>>
>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
>> the
>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
>> ASA,
>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>> sales by 2030.
>>
>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>>
>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>>
>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
>> on
>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>> > just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You won't believe what happens next!

--FT


On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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Winston Churchill:
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The author never even considers where the electricity is going to come from...
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:28 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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[MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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