Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I bought a (2010?) version CD of Acronis for home/office from Ebay on the recommendation of several members and set it to periodically back up a whole image of my main computer, which runss WinXP, on a free standing external HD. (I assume a whole image includes everything on the HD including the OS?) Yes, Acronis was one of the early true image backup solutions, as I recall. Ideal for taking a live system to a backup. I want to put a copy of the main computers drive alongside Windows 7 on another computer using Virtualbox. It would seem that downloading the whole image of the C drive on the external HD to Virtualbox on another computer would be no different than downloading it to an empty formatted hd on a new computer. I thought perhaps that someone on the list might have done that since Virtualbox and Acronis Home Office seem to be very popular. I have not done it, but Acronis should come with a restore CD. If you boot that using Virtualbox, and then patch the USB port to the Virtualbox instance, it should work fine. [I know how to do that in VMWare but not Virtualbox, sorry.] If I can later set up Acronis to run on a VIrtualbox OS and back it up to an external HD, that will be great but not absolutely necessary. You could, but you should probably just copy snapshots (or whatever) from Virtualbox onto the hard drive. Presumably you're using Acronis or whatever to backup the Virtualbox host. That way you don't have to take two steps to get your systems running again, though you lose the ability to do incremental/differential backups so that may be a consideration. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC
There was only one cd but instructions were to download the Rescue Media Builder from it which I have done. Quoting: The Rescue Media Builder is a tool for creating bootable rescue disks. Thanks, Tim. Gerry From: Tim C bb...@crone.us On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I bought a (2010?) version CD of Acronis for home/office from Ebay on the recommendation of several members and set it to periodically back up a whole image of my main computer, which runss WinXP, on a free standing external HD. (I assume a whole image includes everything on the HD including the OS?) Yes, Acronis was one of the early true image backup solutions, as I recall. Ideal for taking a live system to a backup. I want to put a copy of the main computers drive alongside Windows 7 on another computer using Virtualbox. It would seem that downloading the whole image of the C drive on the external HD to Virtualbox on another computer would be no different than downloading it to an empty formatted hd on a new computer. I thought perhaps that someone on the list might have done that since Virtualbox and Acronis Home Office seem to be very popular. I have not done it, but Acronis should come with a restore CD. If you boot that using Virtualbox, and then patch the USB port to the Virtualbox instance, it should work fine. [I know how to do that in VMWare but not Virtualbox, sorry.] If I can later set up Acronis to run on a VIrtualbox OS and back it up to an external HD, that will be great but not absolutely necessary. You could, but you should probably just copy snapshots (or whatever) from Virtualbox onto the hard drive. Presumably you're using Acronis or whatever to backup the Virtualbox host. That way you don't have to take two steps to get your systems running again, though you lose the ability to do incremental/differential backups so that may be a consideration. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5294 - Release Date: 09/27/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC
From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com In August Phillip and Kaleb wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so what do you do, download this virtualbox, then install windows xp on that? I am familiar with vmware thats what the chinese SDS system uses. Same concept an VMWare - different in some details. Downloading VirtualBox give you the framework. Inside the framework you setup guests. Each one thinks it is a stand-alone computer - but it is an totally empty computer until you install a OS (Win XP, Mac, or whatever). Then it boots and runs and the OS thinks it's in a metal box with it's own motherboard, drives, network cards, etc. This does mean you will need to install an OS on the guest, so you will need an install disk (or ISO image). Gerry Archer wrote: Can I download an image to a VirtualBox from a remote HD running Acronis? Thanks, I had to Google to find out what Acrunis is. It seems to be cloud storage. So... I think the answer is yes - but I don't quite get the phrase remote HD running Acronis. A VirtualBox guest is effectively it's own computer. The memory, harddrive, network card, etc. are borrowed from the host but the guest OS is typically totally unaware. So if the Acronis thing would work with a normal computer, then there is a very high probability it will work with a VirtualBox guest. If I'm understanding the question... -- Philip I bought a (2010?) version CD of Acronis for home/office from Ebay on the recommendation of several members and set it to periodically back up a whole image of my main computer, which runss WinXP, on a free standing external HD. (I assume a whole image includes everything on the HD including the OS?) I want to put a copy of the main computers drive alongside Windows 7 on another computer using Virtualbox. It would seem that downloading the whole image of the C drive on the external HD to Virtualbox on another computer would be no different than downloading it to an empty formatted hd on a new computer. I thought perhaps that someone on the list might have done that since Virtualbox and Acronis Home Office seem to be very popular. If I can later set up Acronis to run on a VIrtualbox OS and back it up to an external HD, that will be great but not absolutely necessary. (If this doesn't make any sense, I'll try again.) Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC
In August Phillip and Kaleb wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so what do you do, download this virtualbox, then install windows xp on that? I am familiar with vmware thats what the chinese SDS system uses. Same concept an VMWare - different in some details. Downloading VirtualBox give you the framework. Inside the framework you setup guests. Each one thinks it is a stand-alone computer - but it is an totally empty computer until you install a OS (Win XP, Mac, or whatever). Then it boots and runs and the OS thinks it's in a metal box with it's own motherboard, drives, network cards, etc. This does mean you will need to install an OS on the guest, so you will need an install disk (or ISO image). Gerry Archer wrote: Can I download an image to a VirtualBox from a remote HD running Acronis? Thanks, I had to Google to find out what Acrunis is. It seems to be cloud storage. So... I think the answer is yes - but I don't quite get the phrase remote HD running Acronis. A VirtualBox guest is effectively it's own computer. The memory, harddrive, network card, etc. are borrowed from the host but the guest OS is typically totally unaware. So if the Acronis thing would work with a normal computer, then there is a very high probability it will work with a VirtualBox guest. If I'm understanding the question... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC
In August Phillip and Kaleb wrote: From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so what do you do, download this virtualbox, then install windows xp on that? I am familiar with vmware thats what the chinese SDS system uses. Same concept an VMWare - different in some details. If you already have a VMWare environment, it may be easier to use a VMWare guest for your EPC. If not, VirtualBox is a bit more friendly to the free crowd. (free as in freedom AND free as in beer) so that's what I'm currently using. Downloading VirtualBox give you the framework. Inside the framework you setup guests. Each one thinks it is a stand-alone computer - but it is an totally empty computer until you install a OS (Win XP, Mac, or whatever). Then it boots and runs and the OS thinks it's in a metal box with it's own motherboard, drives, network cards, etc. This does mean you will need to install an OS on the guest, so you will need an install disk (or ISO image). -- Philip --- Can I download an image to a VirtualBox from a remote HD running Acronis? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so what do you do, download this virtualbox, then install windows xp on that? I am familiar with vmware thats what the chinese SDS system uses. Same concept an VMWare - different in some details. If you already have a VMWare environment, it may be easier to use a VMWare guest for your EPC. If not, VirtualBox is a bit more friendly to the free crowd. (free as in freedom AND free as in beer) so that's what I'm currently using. Downloading VirtualBox give you the framework. Inside the framework you setup guests. Each one thinks it is a stand-alone computer - but it is an totally empty computer until you install a OS (Win XP, Mac, or whatever). Then it boots and runs and the OS thinks it's in a metal box with it's own motherboard, drives, network cards, etc. This does mean you will need to install an OS on the guest, so you will need an install disk (or ISO image). -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
The problem is that I don't have a boot able registered copy of winXP or 7, I own 4 versions of winpose, 95, 98, XPsp2 and now win7 but they are pre installed into the puters and the sys recovery discs won't work in VB. This is something of an annoyance but not entirely unexpected from MS, I have boot able 95 and 98 discs but the bastards are like banks, 'encourage' you to go to email statements, so you have to carry the cost of printing the statements, same with MS: here is you're new OS and if you want to recover it at any stage, you have to make your own stinking discs and in XP the turds only allow you to make one copy. Anyway, I found an iso of a win7 and got it to install and run in VB but it seems to be a 30 day trial version and as such it will be easier for me to just boot into 'my' XP and use quickbooks there, which is really the only reason I need wincrap, well I also have to log into the tax department to tell them what I have been up to every 3 months. I tried to install quickbooks via WINE but that is just about impossible for people who know what they are doing, so I have got no chance. Twas more of an 'see if I can do it exercise', rather than something I have to do, Fay doesn't understand that and is a bit mad at me cause I have bashing away at this for a couple of days. The mountain was there to be climbed and I fell off it, a couple of hundred meters from the top. However on a brighter side, Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be working pretty well for now, until I paste something stupid into the terminal. Hendrik who is pretending to know stuff about operating systems On 15/03/12 10:17, Dan Penoff wrote: I use VirtualBox both on my Macs and my work PC. I have several OS' running on each without any issues. What's the problem you're having? Dan On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Fmiser wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: Hendrik who is trying to get virtualbox up and running Are your having difficulty with VirtualBox? Or the guest OS? My experience with it has been quite good. USB, serial, ethernet, and all software I've tried to use work well in a MS Win guest on my Linux host. I'm even doing some squirrelly things with networking. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
You should be able to find the various isos somewhere to make a boot disc or install disc or whatever for whatever flavor you want, then just use your valid code to make M$FT happy. I did that on an old laptop with WinXPME, worked fine. --R On 3/16/12 5:57 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: The problem is that I don't have a boot able registered copy of winXP or 7, I own 4 versions of winpose, 95, 98, XPsp2 and now win7 but they are pre installed into the puters and the sys recovery discs won't work in VB. This is something of an annoyance but not entirely unexpected from MS, I have boot able 95 and 98 discs but the bastards are like banks, 'encourage' you to go to email statements, so you have to carry the cost of printing the statements, same with MS: here is you're new OS and if you want to recover it at any stage, you have to make your own stinking discs and in XP the turds only allow you to make one copy. Anyway, I found an iso of a win7 and got it to install and run in VB but it seems to be a 30 day trial version and as such it will be easier for me to just boot into 'my' XP and use quickbooks there, which is really the only reason I need wincrap, well I also have to log into the tax department to tell them what I have been up to every 3 months. I tried to install quickbooks via WINE but that is just about impossible for people who know what they are doing, so I have got no chance. Twas more of an 'see if I can do it exercise', rather than something I have to do, Fay doesn't understand that and is a bit mad at me cause I have bashing away at this for a couple of days. The mountain was there to be climbed and I fell off it, a couple of hundred meters from the top. However on a brighter side, Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be working pretty well for now, until I paste something stupid into the terminal. Hendrik who is pretending to know stuff about operating systems On 15/03/12 10:17, Dan Penoff wrote: I use VirtualBox both on my Macs and my work PC. I have several OS' running on each without any issues. What's the problem you're having? Dan On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Fmiser wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: Hendrik who is trying to get virtualbox up and running Are your having difficulty with VirtualBox? Or the guest OS? My experience with it has been quite good. USB, serial, ethernet, and all software I've tried to use work well in a MS Win guest on my Linux host. I'm even doing some squirrelly things with networking. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
Find a torrent that has a full set with OS and keygen. If you already have the win7 key, the ISO will boot and install. I used this to deal with drive upgrade and trying to transfer a boot camp partition. clay On Mar 16, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You should be able to find the various isos somewhere to make a boot disc or install disc or whatever for whatever flavor you want, then just use your valid code to make M$FT happy. I did that on an old laptop with WinXPME, worked fine. --R On 3/16/12 5:57 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: The problem is that I don't have a boot able registered copy of winXP or 7, I own 4 versions of winpose, 95, 98, XPsp2 and now win7 but they are pre installed into the puters and the sys recovery discs won't work in VB. This is something of an annoyance but not entirely unexpected from MS, I have boot able 95 and 98 discs but the bastards are like banks, 'encourage' you to go to email statements, so you have to carry the cost of printing the statements, same with MS: here is you're new OS and if you want to recover it at any stage, you have to make your own stinking discs and in XP the turds only allow you to make one copy. Anyway, I found an iso of a win7 and got it to install and run in VB but it seems to be a 30 day trial version and as such it will be easier for me to just boot into 'my' XP and use quickbooks there, which is really the only reason I need wincrap, well I also have to log into the tax department to tell them what I have been up to every 3 months. I tried to install quickbooks via WINE but that is just about impossible for people who know what they are doing, so I have got no chance. Twas more of an 'see if I can do it exercise', rather than something I have to do, Fay doesn't understand that and is a bit mad at me cause I have bashing away at this for a couple of days. The mountain was there to be climbed and I fell off it, a couple of hundred meters from the top. However on a brighter side, Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be working pretty well for now, until I paste something stupid into the terminal. Hendrik who is pretending to know stuff about operating systems On 15/03/12 10:17, Dan Penoff wrote: I use VirtualBox both on my Macs and my work PC. I have several OS' running on each without any issues. What's the problem you're having? Dan On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Fmiser wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: Hendrik who is trying to get virtualbox up and running Are your having difficulty with VirtualBox? Or the guest OS? My experience with it has been quite good. USB, serial, ethernet, and all software I've tried to use work well in a MS Win guest on my Linux host. I'm even doing some squirrelly things with networking. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: Find a torrent that has a full set with OS and keygen. If you already have the win7 key, the ISO will boot and install. I used this to deal with drive upgrade and trying to transfer a boot camp partition. Hope you enjoy your rootkits. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
given the hassles to deal with both boot camp and the evil empire, I will put up with a bunch. clay On Mar 16, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: Find a torrent that has a full set with OS and keygen. If you already have the win7 key, the ISO will boot and install. I used this to deal with drive upgrade and trying to transfer a boot camp partition. Hope you enjoy your rootkits. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
A little help please. While the experts are discussing OS and drive issues, I have a problem to solve. I used to do this stuff years ago, but things have changed and I must admit that I haven't kept up. So, I have a primary Sata drive in a Compaq that has a C: partition and a D: restore partition. It is a smaller and very noisy drive. I have a second Sata drive that is much larger that I formatted and installed in the same PC. Now, what I'd like to do is take the primary drive image to the secondary drive and then remove the primary drive. Is there a simple way to do this? I used to just format with the OS and then copy one to the other, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
Roger, There are any number of ways to accomplish this, but the best thing to do is find a good software program and use it. Clonzilla is an open source freeware means of doing it, but you have to download an ISO and burn it to a CD which you then boot from. EaseUS is a freeware utility that does the same without having to boot into a separate OS. I have used Clonezilla but not EaseUS. Dan On Mar 16, 2012, at 10:33 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: A little help please. While the experts are discussing OS and drive issues, I have a problem to solve. I used to do this stuff years ago, but things have changed and I must admit that I haven't kept up. So, I have a primary Sata drive in a Compaq that has a C: partition and a D: restore partition. It is a smaller and very noisy drive. I have a second Sata drive that is much larger that I formatted and installed in the same PC. Now, what I'd like to do is take the primary drive image to the secondary drive and then remove the primary drive. Is there a simple way to do this? I used to just format with the OS and then copy one to the other, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
Hendrik Fay wrote: Hendrik who is trying to get virtualbox up and running Are your having difficulty with VirtualBox? Or the guest OS? My experience with it has been quite good. USB, serial, ethernet, and all software I've tried to use work well in a MS Win guest on my Linux host. I'm even doing some squirrelly things with networking. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox
I use VirtualBox both on my Macs and my work PC. I have several OS' running on each without any issues. What's the problem you're having? Dan On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Fmiser wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: Hendrik who is trying to get virtualbox up and running Are your having difficulty with VirtualBox? Or the guest OS? My experience with it has been quite good. USB, serial, ethernet, and all software I've tried to use work well in a MS Win guest on my Linux host. I'm even doing some squirrelly things with networking. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
