Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
I guess I had better repair the dash lights in mine. Half the time they don't light at all anymore and when lit they are pretty dim. Either that or install a red light to come on when the oil pressure drops to supplement the gauge. Wouldn't want to fry the motor because I could not see the oil pressure gauge. Randy On 17/01/2012 5:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: The oil pressure gauge saved the arse of my pagoda just two short summers ago. I was driving it from DC to Boston and the line to the oil pressure gauge sprang a leak. I noticed the gauge reading 2 bar at 70 mph. I knew that was not normal and pulled over. Popped the hood and saw oil all over the place. I lost three quarts in a matter of a few minutes. No damage done. I always keep my eyes on the gauges in these old cars. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: Right on. Watch that gauge! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:26:48 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts andrew strasfogel writes: The PO of my 1983 300TD lost the oil in just this manner while crising on the freeway in Missouri. The engine collapsed directly onto and broke an oil cooler line, with disastrous results - even though he stopped the car as soon as the engine light came on. Engine light? You meen oil pressure gauge, which he probably didn't notice had fallen to zero for at least a few minutes. I always thought low oil pressure should have a warning light AND an audible alarm. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
The oil pressure gauge saved the arse of my pagoda just two short summers ago. I was driving it from DC to Boston and the line to the oil pressure gauge sprang a leak. I noticed the gauge reading 2 bar at 70 mph. I knew that was not normal and pulled over. Popped the hood and saw oil all over the place. I lost three quarts in a matter of a few minutes. No damage done. I always keep my eyes on the gauges in these old cars. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: Right on. Watch that gauge! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:26:48 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts andrew strasfogel writes: The PO of my 1983 300TD lost the oil in just this manner while crising on the freeway in Missouri. The engine collapsed directly onto and broke an oil cooler line, with disastrous results - even though he stopped the car as soon as the engine light came on. Engine light? You meen oil pressure gauge, which he probably didn't notice had fallen to zero for at least a few minutes. I always thought low oil pressure should have a warning light AND an audible alarm. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
Finally, get your parts from Rusty; some of the cheap stuff on ebay is old rubber that's gotten too hard or too soft (no point doing the job twice). Amen. Stuff from FLAPS, online dealers, fleabay, etc may be old, knock-off, or whatever. Rusty can get you the good ones for less. Otherwise (if you like to waste money) buy from the stealership. This IS NOT JUST FOR MOTOR MOUNTS! This advice is good for any rubber part and that includes suspension. You want fresh parts. Rusty has fresh parts. He is a very fresh guy! It is good advice for any parts, cause he can steer you away from the junk. If you want only Mercedes Benz original, call Rusty. If you want Febi/ Bilstein/ Bosch/Beru/Behr/etc call Rusty. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
Right on. Watch that gauge! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:26:48 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts andrew strasfogel writes: > The PO of my 1983 300TD lost the oil in just this manner while > crising on the freeway in Missouri. The engine collapsed directly > onto and broke an oil cooler line, with disastrous results - even > though he stopped the car as soon as the engine light came on. Engine light? You meen oil pressure gauge, which he probably didn't notice had fallen to zero for at least a few minutes. I always thought low oil pressure should have a warning light AND an audible alarm. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
andrew strasfogel writes: > The PO of my 1983 300TD lost the oil in just this manner while > crising on the freeway in Missouri. The engine collapsed directly > onto and broke an oil cooler line, with disastrous results - even > though he stopped the car as soon as the engine light came on. Engine light? You meen oil pressure gauge, which he probably didn't notice had fallen to zero for at least a few minutes. I always thought low oil pressure should have a warning light AND an audible alarm. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
Another data point: My 1979 300TD (non-turbo) motor mounts had collapsed to the point a small metal coolant line was hitting the shock tower; the car constantly leaked a small amount of coolant when hot (pressurized cooling system). Motor mounts are important and not that hard to replace. Not a hard job but you'll need some good allen-type sockets (male type, don't recall sizes) and a good assortment of ratchet extensions. For me. The hard part was aligning the holes to reinstall the screws but one helper would have made that easy. The other "trick" is to insure the allen hex is FULLY inserted into the screw head, and that may involve cleaning out some crud. Use patience and a penetrating oil (like PB Blaster or kroil) if anything seems stuck. You don't want to strip those heads or cross-thread on reassembly; these mistakes are all fixable but they increases the work exponentially. Finally, get your parts from Rusty; some of the cheap stuff on ebay is old rubber that's gotten too hard or too soft (no point doing the job twice). -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts The PO of my 1983 300TD lost the oil in just this manner while crising on the freeway in Missouri. The engine collapsed directly onto and broke an oil cooler line, with disastrous results - even though he stopped the car as soon as the engine light came on. On 1/16/12, Rick Knoble wrote: > >>Russ wrote: >> >> Rick, >> If the motor mount on the driver's side is collapsed check to see if the >> oil >> cooler line has clearance where it runs past the spring upper mount. If >> there's >> no clearance change the mount ASAP. Eng vibration WILL rub a hole in the >> line >> and make the BP oil spill look like a minor leak. DAMHIK. > > That is the side the noise is coming from. Will check in the AM and order > mounts. The last thing I need is SWMBO telling me the car won't crankand > there is black stuff under it. > Thanks,Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
The PO of my 1983 300TD lost the oil in just this manner while crising on the freeway in Missouri. The engine collapsed directly onto and broke an oil cooler line, with disastrous results - even though he stopped the car as soon as the engine light came on. On 1/16/12, Rick Knoble wrote: > >>Russ wrote: >> >> Rick, >> If the motor mount on the driver's side is collapsed check to see if the >> oil >> cooler line has clearance where it runs past the spring upper mount. If >> there's >> no clearance change the mount ASAP. Eng vibration WILL rub a hole in the >> line >> and make the BP oil spill look like a minor leak. DAMHIK. > > That is the side the noise is coming from. Will check in the AM and order > mounts. The last thing I need is SWMBO telling me the car won't crankand > there is black stuff under it. > Thanks,Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
>Russ wrote: > > Rick, > If the motor mount on the driver's side is collapsed check to see if the oil > cooler line has clearance where it runs past the spring upper mount. If > there's > no clearance change the mount ASAP. Eng vibration WILL rub a hole in the > line > and make the BP oil spill look like a minor leak. DAMHIK. That is the side the noise is coming from. Will check in the AM and order mounts. The last thing I need is SWMBO telling me the car won't crankand there is black stuff under it. Thanks,Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
Rick, If the motor mount on the driver's side is collapsed check to see if the oil cooler line has clearance where it runs past the spring upper mount. If there's no clearance change the mount ASAP. Eng vibration WILL rub a hole in the line and make the BP oil spill look like a minor leak. DAMHIK. Russ W. On 1/16/2012 8:36 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:16 PM, "Russ Williams" wrote: Which 123 is the car? 240D or 300D? 1985 300d Rick Sent from my AT&T rotary phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4747 - Release Date: 01/16/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
I assume this is a turbo 617 diesel because it has the engine shocks. As I recall, the shocks only damp engine motion during starting and, especially, shut down. They should have practically no effect on a running engine. So I'd recommend a good look at the motor mounts; these are cheap enough but a bit harder to change on a turbo engine (because of all the other stuff on the right side of the motor). If your motor shakes a lot at idle, suspect unbalanced (maybe bad) injectors or the damper bolt in the IP (a cheap and easy fix). But if your engine is really hitting the frame, your mounts have got to be bad. Scott --- Russ W. On 1/16/2012 4:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > > Okay. SWMBO MB engine is bouncing off the frame and making all kinds of racket. > I interpret this to mean in needs engine shocks. What else do I need to change with them? > Motor mounts aren't too pricey. Neither are the shock mount hardware kits. However, > the motor shock mounts are a bit excessive. Do I REALLY need to change them? > > Rick > Who may answer his own question, when he looks in his Marshall archive. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4746 - Release Date: 01/16/12 > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:16 PM, "Russ Williams" wrote: > Which 123 is the car? 240D or 300D? 1985 300d Rick Sent from my AT&T rotary phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
Which 123 is the car? 240D or 300D? Russ W. On 1/16/2012 4:38 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Okay. SWMBO MB engine is bouncing off the frame and making all kinds of racket. I interpret this to mean in needs engine shocks. What else do I need to change with them? Motor mounts aren't too pricey. Neither are the shock mount hardware kits. However, the motor shock mounts are a bit excessive. Do I REALLY need to change them? Rick Who may answer his own question, when he looks in his Marshall archive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4746 - Release Date: 01/16/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:38:06 -0800 Rick Knoble > wrote: > > > > > > > Okay. SWMBO MB engine is bouncing off the frame and making all kinds of > > racket. I interpret this to mean in needs engine shocks. What else do I > > need to change with them? Motor mounts aren't too pricey. Neither are > > the shock mount hardware kits. However, the motor shock mounts are a > > bit excessive. Do I REALLY need to change them? > > It could be collapsed engine mounts, like I had in our '82 240D/3.0. > > If you loosen one end of each of the engine shocks, you should be able to > extend and collapse them by pushing on the end of the rod. There should > be noticable resistance as you push. > > An engine mount is shot, needs to be replaced. The shock might be OK, or not - the noise from the collapsed mount doesn't tell you anything about the condition of the shock. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:38:06 -0800 Rick Knoble wrote: > > > Okay. SWMBO MB engine is bouncing off the frame and making all kinds of > racket. I interpret this to mean in needs engine shocks. What else do I > need to change with them? Motor mounts aren't too pricey. Neither are > the shock mount hardware kits. However, the motor shock mounts are a > bit excessive. Do I REALLY need to change them? It could be collapsed engine mounts, like I had in our '82 240D/3.0. If you loosen one end of each of the engine shocks, you should be able to extend and collapse them by pushing on the end of the rod. There should be noticable resistance as you push. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 Motor Mounts
Okay. SWMBO MB engine is bouncing off the frame and making all kinds of racket. I interpret this to mean in needs engine shocks. What else do I need to change with them? Motor mounts aren't too pricey. Neither are the shock mount hardware kits. However, the motor shock mounts are a bit excessive. Do I REALLY need to change them? Rick Who may answer his own question, when he looks in his Marshall archive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
