Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief
Curt wrote: > I notice we haven't heard much from Randy lately, apparently he took my > suggestion and told his wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. Don't > worry, those bones will heal up soon buddy. ;) > Nobody that I read here has rules about skirts/dresses. so... no law has been mentioned, i.e. no pants. Just a bunch of guys that like to see a bit of leg from time to time - scenery, ya know, or Aqualung. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I do too but its a matter of telling her she's not allowed to wear pants. I notice we haven't heard much from Randy lately, apparently he took my suggestion and told his wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. Don't worry, those bones will heal up soon buddy. ;) -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Mountain Man Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief RB wrote: > What is wrong with women not wearing pants? Let's get off topic - I agree with RB - I like a lady in skirt/dress. No law about this, just preference. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RB wrote: > What is wrong with women not wearing pants? Let's get off topic - I agree with RB - I like a lady in skirt/dress. No law about this, just preference. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> > "Let's hear it for uppity women!" ~ When women first wanted to be liberated so they could do traditional mens work, I thought it was a good idea. We men have gone out in a dangerous world and made a living for many centuries while our women stayed home, snug and safe. It's time we men stayed home and let our women go out and make a living. We men need a rest after all those centuries of hard work. "Let's hear it for liberated women!" Gerry ~~ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Let's hear it for uppity women!" I likes mine to gits uppit dawn to build up the fahr, etc. Sometimes I's even gives her a hand. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt. +1 Also remember that there are sharp knives in the home and you must sleep sometimes. "Let's hear it for uppity women!" Fred. From: Mercedes on behalf of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: 07 January 2016 17:07 To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 07/01/2016 11:07 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you... -Curt Uh Oh - sounds like Curt's wife abuses him. RB who still prefers girls in skirts ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you... -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief On 07/01/2016 10:31 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > 1950s USA where women couldn't wear pants and black people could be burned > with impunity. Great place. > Oh don't forget commie chasing, rat out your neighbors as commies for fun and > profit, great place that 1950s USA. > I'll be you $1000 green American dollars that this time next year the > situation in the USA will be pretty much the same as it is today, no crash, > no civil disorder. Quit yer fear mongering, nothing is changing fast. > > -Curt > > > What is wrong with women not wearing pants? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We learned that my indy installed a faulty aftermarket LCA on the W220. It is out of spec and makes the airmatic go crazy trying to figure out how to deal with it. It gives up after a while and bleeds all the air. New sensors did not make it right, so the programing got hacked for it to accept the issue and just spew the error code. Now I have to get the indy to put the right part in place of the over size part clay Makes me not want to have a newish MB. today I drove some lezus wannabe Exploder. Stupid japanese/merkun dash design! It took me 5 min to figger out how to get the a/C to run. but, it was "better" in a way than the beloved "ACC3" in our MBs because it had left and right controls. From a HCI (human computer interaction) perspective, the interface design was complete crap. Gimme a 123 240D. Completely intuitive, and complete control! Learning curve: <1 second. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How about sticking with Mercedes for this list & saving you political diatribe for another list? Then you won't feel insulted here. You have,a lot to offer here from your Benz experiences. For the record I don't want left right or center political crap in this list. Rant off. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 1990 300D Wickford RI Dwight, I , and I am sure many others, appreciate your point of view. However, with the impending attacks and financial meltdown, the unfortunate situation we, and the rest of the world, are facing merits discussion. Perhaps even some planning. Sticking heads in the sand and denying the inevitable result of the course we are on gains nothing. I hope you don't read anything political into this. It is meant as an assessment of the real situation we are facing. We know there are islamic terroists within. We will be attacked, and more frequently. Our economy is on the fast track to meltdown, and the gress of cons has floored the petal. The thug in chief is doing the same as is the relish geon of piece. If someone has no intention of breathing after the next few months, then the above does not apply. I hope to be breathing for as many more years as possible. I am concerned. I'd be happy as a clam if we lived in 1950 'merka and all we had to worry about was Nikita and how fast we could get our 57 chevy to go. (or keeping my MBs running in the 35¢ gas early 70s) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On January 6, 2016 at 2:25 PM archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Think how long it's been since there was a duel between members of the legislature. I'd pay to see 434 of those take place in Congress. Mitch. Hey! don't leave out the 101 in the sen ate and the 9 old farts in black. They deserve no less. And, just for grins, we can trow in dose who buy and sell pols too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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50 states. Bound to have franchises in at least 30. Ten guys in man dresses per camp training radical muslims. I better start stockpiling 5.56 NATO clay On Jan 6, 2016, at 4:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Mental health for my brother in law, who is a hard core Fox News watcher. > > He told the wife last night that there are already 30+ ISIS terrorist > training facilities in the US and over 3,000 terrorists in the US ready to > wreak havoc on us. > > Uh, right. > > And he's got a small arsenal of guns, too. That scares me. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> That's could be good one (maybe) and so might be mental health. But the >> devil is (always) in the details. More vigorous enforcement of Fed gun laws >> against violent criminals would be wonderful. But harassing dealers and >> lawful gun owners about minutia (i.e. a useless and meaningless waste of our >> money) is more likely, IMO. >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:13 AM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief >>> >>> Actually, part of the initiative is to increase enforcement of existing >> laws and >>> rules. This was an NRA talking point. Anyone have a problem with that? >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which >>>> showed that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, >>>> and supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. >>>> >>>> I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious >>>> crime was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender >>>> laws like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting >>>> these guys off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal >>>> behavior of guys with 20 page criminal records. >>>> >>>> Mitch. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>>> I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a >>>>> lot of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related >>>>> to guns and robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the >>>>> streets and carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch >>>>> and release on low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison >>>>> space and the #blm folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as >>> opposed to "put down" >>>>> unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). >>>>> Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How about sticking with Mercedes for this list & saving you political diatribe for another list? Then you won't feel insulted here. You have,a lot to offer here from your Benz experiences. For the record I don't want left right or center political crap in this list. Rant off. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 1990 300D Wickford RI On Jan 6, 2016 1:27 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" wrote: > I note the pervasive use of passive aggressive responses is quite often the > response to direct confrontation among the "politically correct". > > Personally, I am offended by this type of insulting behavior much more than > a direct attack on my character, my ancestry, or number of married parents. > > It really is time to start using a plain dialogue that leaves no doubt > about how we personally feel about an issue. "Those who stand for nothing > will fall for anything" applies as much now as it ever did. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Curly, you're the poster child of far right wing group-think. Not that > > there's anything wrong with that. > > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dan wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> ... those who cater to people who might be less > > >>> educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are > > >>> not of their own thought process. > > >>> > > >> > > >> How much of the education system is truly encouraging > > >> independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of > > >> suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the > > >> official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. > > >> Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to > > >> think for themselves. > > >> > > >> Just sayin'... > > >> > > > > > > Groupthink makes the sheeple more easily controlled! (Andy Griffith > > > voice:) Groupthink is gooo...ood! > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Congress will forget to fund this stupid mandate. Then nobody will bother to enforce it because they can not profit from being cops. Around PNW trying to profit from seizure would be useless. The stuff gets melted down instead of sold on. The Seattle idiots would have to tax their own sales clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > Too much to think about. Situation calls for some Todd Snider: > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK6zjtUj00 > On Jan 5, 2016 3:32 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: > >> "47% of all statistics are made up on the spot." "There are lies, damned >> lies, and statistics." >> >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> >> http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/ "... hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a few hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether they had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number is quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain." Greg >>> >>> sorta like the "93% of scientists agree that global warming is real" >>> Complete fabrication BS. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of >> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >> for themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got yelled at by some pinko hag at the Stealership this morning. I called POTUS a cry baby with the Today show report on his being a sniveling whiner on the TV. We learned that my indy installed a faulty aftermarket LCA on the W220. It is out of spec and makes the airmatic go crazy trying to figure out how to deal with it. It gives up after a while and bleeds all the air. New sensors did not make it right, so the programing got hacked for it to accept the issue and just spew the error code. Now I have to get the indy to put the right part in place of the over size part clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > The public ignorance on this subject is appalling, and BHO did a "good job" > exploiting emotion and ignorance this morning. The gun show loophole is a > myth. All gun dealers do the instant background check every time, for that > check is worth (obviously not much). Universal background checks are > equivalent to universal gun registration. Federal gun laws are potent and > quite actionable but the Justice Department appears to have little interest > in using those laws to incarcerate violent criminals. Perhaps the powers > that be need a level of crime (or the perception thereof) for political > leverage (like "fast and furious"?) > >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:28 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Curt Raymond >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief >> >> If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace > this >> as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of being >> "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them > basically >> nothing. >> I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background > checks. >> Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now > so >> it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We > refuse >> to change anything." >> -Curt >> >> >> From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel >> Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief >> >> Obummer has accomplished precisely nothing, save to shoot himself in the >> foot: >> >> http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429235/obama-gun-control- >> executive-orders-mistake >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Max wrote: > Hard for me to see this political theater as anything other than a > distraction, a foil, used by both R and D to whip up their base. Prez gets > to claim progress, R's cry constitutional foul, gun sales and political > fundraising and NRA memberships all go up, no change to violent crime or > incidents of mass shootings or domestic terrorism. > > Meanwhile, federal deficit continues to balloon, SS and Medicare still going > bust, ISIL runs rampant, etc. Hey - I'm on board with everything that you said - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On January 6, 2016 at 2:25 PM archer75--- via Mercedes > wrote: > Think how long it's been since there was a duel between members of the > legislature. I'd pay to see 434 of those take place in Congress. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Aha! On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Huh? > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I note the pervasive use of passive aggressive responses is quite often >> the >> response to direct confrontation among the "politically correct". >> >> Personally, I am offended by this type of insulting behavior much more >> than >> a direct attack on my character, my ancestry, or number of married >> parents. >> >> It really is time to start using a plain dialogue that leaves no doubt >> about how we personally feel about an issue. "Those who stand for nothing >> will fall for anything" applies as much now as it ever did. >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > Curly, you're the poster child of far right wing group-think. Not that >> > there's anything wrong with that. >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > > > Dan wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> ... those who cater to people who might be less >> > >>> educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are >> > >>> not of their own thought process. >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> How much of the education system is truly encouraging >> > >> independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of >> > >> suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the >> > >> official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. >> > >> Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to >> > >> think for themselves. >> > >> >> > >> Just sayin'... >> > >> >> > > >> > > Groupthink makes the sheeple more easily controlled! (Andy Griffith >> > > voice:) Groupthink is gooo...ood! >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Huh? On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I note the pervasive use of passive aggressive responses is quite often the > response to direct confrontation among the "politically correct". > > Personally, I am offended by this type of insulting behavior much more than > a direct attack on my character, my ancestry, or number of married parents. > > It really is time to start using a plain dialogue that leaves no doubt > about how we personally feel about an issue. "Those who stand for nothing > will fall for anything" applies as much now as it ever did. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Curly, you're the poster child of far right wing group-think. Not that > > there's anything wrong with that. > > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dan wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> ... those who cater to people who might be less > > >>> educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are > > >>> not of their own thought process. > > >>> > > >> > > >> How much of the education system is truly encouraging > > >> independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of > > >> suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the > > >> official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. > > >> Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to > > >> think for themselves. > > >> > > >> Just sayin'... > > >> > > > > > > Groupthink makes the sheeple more easily controlled! (Andy Griffith > > > voice:) Groupthink is gooo...ood! > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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G Mann wrote: > I note the pervasive use of passive aggressive responses is quite often the > response to direct confrontation among the "politically correct". > Personally, I am offended by this type of insulting behavior much more than a > direct attack on my character, my ancestry, or number of married parents. I wonder if it might be because of the influence of lawyers who dominate many parts of our lives with laws that discourage force, or could it be the same result as in ancient England: "The king to Oxford sent a troop of horse, For Tories (Republicans) own no argument but force; With equal care, to Cambridge books he sent, For Whigs (Democrats) allow no force but argument." Think how long it's been since there was a duel between members of the legislature. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I note the pervasive use of passive aggressive responses is quite often the response to direct confrontation among the "politically correct". Personally, I am offended by this type of insulting behavior much more than a direct attack on my character, my ancestry, or number of married parents. It really is time to start using a plain dialogue that leaves no doubt about how we personally feel about an issue. "Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything" applies as much now as it ever did. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curly, you're the poster child of far right wing group-think. Not that > there's anything wrong with that. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Dan wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> ... those who cater to people who might be less > >>> educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are > >>> not of their own thought process. > >>> > >> > >> How much of the education system is truly encouraging > >> independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of > >> suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the > >> official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. > >> Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to > >> think for themselves. > >> > >> Just sayin'... > >> > > > > Groupthink makes the sheeple more easily controlled! (Andy Griffith > > voice:) Groupthink is gooo...ood! > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curly, you're the poster child of far right wing group-think. Not that there's anything wrong with that. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Dan wrote: >> >>> >>> ... those who cater to people who might be less >>> educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are >>> not of their own thought process. >>> >> >> How much of the education system is truly encouraging >> independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of >> suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the >> official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. >> Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to >> think for themselves. >> >> Just sayin'... >> > > Groupthink makes the sheeple more easily controlled! (Andy Griffith > voice:) Groupthink is gooo...ood! > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Dan wrote: ... those who cater to people who might be less educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are not of their own thought process. How much of the education system is truly encouraging independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to think for themselves. Just sayin'... Groupthink makes the sheeple more easily controlled! (Andy Griffith voice:) Groupthink is gooo...ood! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > When I was younger and especially as a child growing up in a very politically > active household, I never experienced the vitriol of the likes that we see > today. Only because you're such a baby: http://mentalfloss.com/article/12487/adams-vs-jefferson-birth-negative-campaigning-us That's just the tip of the iceberg. > I wonder if it's not due to the various news organizations and talking heads > that get the masses all whipped into a frenzy. Especially those who cater to > people who might be less educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas > that are not of their own thought process. There's a lot more on the A/J campaign, several books about that era. A root of the problem was that the newspapers at the time were explicitly partisan, and would cater to extremes in order to sell more papers than their rivals... but ultimately you should read any of the books. > It's one thing to have opposing views, but to disrespect another just because > they think differently from you is something that I have a hard time > understanding. Oh yeah? Sez you. Best, Tim wants to work on the SDL now that diesel is cheap again, but now that the Christmas rush is over it's cold again :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nahh. Everyone knew his "Archie Bunkerness" well, so it was more or less overlooked. I tried not to goad him for the most part, as when I did things would usually end up with him getting into a verbal battle with someone else. In fairness to him, he mellowed out a lot in his later years. Not sure if it was due to the dementia or him just not caring. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > HA! Bet that made for some awkward silences at family gatherings... > -Curt > > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > As my now deceased father in law used to say about any racial or ethnic group > other than his own, "You know how "those people" are." > > My response, often drawing daggers from the wife across the room: "No, > Richard, I don't know how "those people" are. Please tell me." > > Hee. > > Bless his heart. He was the product of another era, for sure. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> My folks were here for Christmas and my dad was expounding on how "Theres no >> such thing as a good Syrian, they're all rotten right to the core." >> So I replied "What about Harvey's son in-law, isn't he Syrian? Didn't you >> say he was one of the finest young men you had ever met?" >> To which he replied "Well, I suppose but he's hardly Syrian." Meaning he'd >> been here 20 years. As we went on it turns out my dad knows LOTS of Syrians >> he likes... >> -Curt >> >> >> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Dan Penoff >> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief >> >> Mental health for my brother in law, who is a hard core Fox News watcher. >> >> He told the wife last night that there are already 30+ ISIS terrorist >> training facilities in the US and over 3,000 terrorists in the US ready to >> wreak havoc on us. >> >> Uh, right. >> >> And he's got a small arsenal of guns, too. That scares me. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HA! Bet that made for some awkward silences at family gatherings... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief As my now deceased father in law used to say about any racial or ethnic group other than his own, "You know how "those people" are." My response, often drawing daggers from the wife across the room: "No, Richard, I don't know how "those people" are. Please tell me." Hee. Bless his heart. He was the product of another era, for sure. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > My folks were here for Christmas and my dad was expounding on how "Theres no > such thing as a good Syrian, they're all rotten right to the core." > So I replied "What about Harvey's son in-law, isn't he Syrian? Didn't you say > he was one of the finest young men you had ever met?" > To which he replied "Well, I suppose but he's hardly Syrian." Meaning he'd > been here 20 years. As we went on it turns out my dad knows LOTS of Syrians > he likes... > -Curt > > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Mental health for my brother in law, who is a hard core Fox News watcher. > > He told the wife last night that there are already 30+ ISIS terrorist > training facilities in the US and over 3,000 terrorists in the US ready to > wreak havoc on us. > > Uh, right. > > And he's got a small arsenal of guns, too. That scares me. > > Dan > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As my now deceased father in law used to say about any racial or ethnic group other than his own, "You know how "those people" are." My response, often drawing daggers from the wife across the room: "No, Richard, I don't know how "those people" are. Please tell me." Hee. Bless his heart. He was the product of another era, for sure. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > My folks were here for Christmas and my dad was expounding on how "Theres no > such thing as a good Syrian, they're all rotten right to the core." > So I replied "What about Harvey's son in-law, isn't he Syrian? Didn't you say > he was one of the finest young men you had ever met?" > To which he replied "Well, I suppose but he's hardly Syrian." Meaning he'd > been here 20 years. As we went on it turns out my dad knows LOTS of Syrians > he likes... > -Curt > > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Mental health for my brother in law, who is a hard core Fox News watcher. > > He told the wife last night that there are already 30+ ISIS terrorist > training facilities in the US and over 3,000 terrorists in the US ready to > wreak havoc on us. > > Uh, right. > > And he's got a small arsenal of guns, too. That scares me. > > Dan > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My folks were here for Christmas and my dad was expounding on how "Theres no such thing as a good Syrian, they're all rotten right to the core." So I replied "What about Harvey's son in-law, isn't he Syrian? Didn't you say he was one of the finest young men you had ever met?" To which he replied "Well, I suppose but he's hardly Syrian." Meaning he'd been here 20 years. As we went on it turns out my dad knows LOTS of Syrians he likes... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Mental health for my brother in law, who is a hard core Fox News watcher. He told the wife last night that there are already 30+ ISIS terrorist training facilities in the US and over 3,000 terrorists in the US ready to wreak havoc on us. Uh, right. And he's got a small arsenal of guns, too. That scares me. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mental health for my brother in law, who is a hard core Fox News watcher. He told the wife last night that there are already 30+ ISIS terrorist training facilities in the US and over 3,000 terrorists in the US ready to wreak havoc on us. Uh, right. And he's got a small arsenal of guns, too. That scares me. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 5, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > That's could be good one (maybe) and so might be mental health. But the > devil is (always) in the details. More vigorous enforcement of Fed gun laws > against violent criminals would be wonderful. But harassing dealers and > lawful gun owners about minutia (i.e. a useless and meaningless waste of our > money) is more likely, IMO. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:13 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief >> >> Actually, part of the initiative is to increase enforcement of existing > laws and >> rules. This was an NRA talking point. Anyone have a problem with that? >> >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which >>> showed that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, >>> and supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. >>> >>> I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious >>> crime was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender >>> laws like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting >>> these guys off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal >>> behavior of guys with 20 page criminal records. >>> >>> Mitch. >>> >>> >>> Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>>> I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a >>>> lot of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related >>>> to guns and robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the >>>> streets and carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch >>>> and release on low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison >>>> space and the #blm folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as >> opposed to "put down" >>>> unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). >>>> Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too much to think about. Situation calls for some Todd Snider: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK6zjtUj00 On Jan 5, 2016 3:32 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: "47% of all statistics are made up on the spot." "There are lies, damned > lies, and statistics." That is good, but my favorite is still a little book. "how to lie with statistics" by Huff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFikxhr8Qko http://www.horace.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/How-to-Lie-With-Statistics-1954-Huff.pdf I love the illustrations. http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On January 5, 2016 at 10:27 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > That's could be good one (maybe) and so might be mental health. But the > devil is (always) in the details. Mental defectives per NICS are three million and rising fast. Once they get it up to 300 million, problem solved. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/01/dean-weingarten/growth-of-nics-mental-defectives-index-category/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Dan wrote: > > ... those who cater to people who might be less > educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are > not of their own thought process. How much of the education system is truly encouraging independent thinking? The system sure has a strong record of suppressing anything and everyone who doesn't toe the official line - from kindergarten through doctorate. Thus it would seem the well "educated" are _less_ likely to think for themselves. Just sayin'... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too much to think about. Situation calls for some Todd Snider: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK6zjtUj00 On Jan 5, 2016 3:32 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: > "47% of all statistics are made up on the spot." "There are lies, damned > lies, and statistics." > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/ > >> > >> "... hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be > >> accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a > >> few > >> hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether > >> they > >> had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number > >> is > >> quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain." > >> > >> Greg > >> > > > > sorta like the "93% of scientists agree that global warming is real" > > Complete fabrication BS. > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's could be good one (maybe) and so might be mental health. But the devil is (always) in the details. More vigorous enforcement of Fed gun laws against violent criminals would be wonderful. But harassing dealers and lawful gun owners about minutia (i.e. a useless and meaningless waste of our money) is more likely, IMO. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:13 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Actually, part of the initiative is to increase enforcement of existing laws and > rules. This was an NRA talking point. Anyone have a problem with that? > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which > > showed that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, > > and supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. > > > > I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious > > crime was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender > > laws like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting > > these guys off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal > > behavior of guys with 20 page criminal records. > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a > >> lot of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related > >> to guns and robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the > >> streets and carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch > >> and release on low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison > >> space and the #blm folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as > opposed to "put down" > >> unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). > >> Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Right on! Why can't they sort out differences the old-fashioned way. Like Burr and Hamilton. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Curt Raymond via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:59 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > What strikes me as interesting lately is the personal attacks on BO that the > right seems to think are totally okay to make, saying that he hates America et > al. I mean can't you disagree with somebody without calling them Mr. Poopy > pants? > 8 years ago if you said Bush was an idiot you were "Against us" and "Giving > aid comfort to the enemy." (obscure literary joke) but not its totally okay to > call Obama all kinds of names. He is a person after all and while you might > disagree I find the name calling the biggest problem we have. How can we > expect the government to work when we the people spend most of our time > calling each other names. Its like a couple of drunks at a bar... > -Curt > > > > From: Curly McLain via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM > Subject: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Just shredded more of the bill of rights. > > By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. > > Will anyone be able to stand up to him? > > Lenin, junior, marches on. > > 1st amend ment is gone > 2nd is gone > 4th is gone > power of the purse is gone. > > > The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 treatise on > how to collapse the gooberment. > > http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ > shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, both > with no real world experience. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Registry, database, whatever you want to call it there has to be some well of information to pull from and it can't be free, somebody will have to pay for it. Makes some sense to me for the buy to pay a relatively small fee, say $10, on each purchase. They need to register the (relatively) few NON-right holders, not the gun owners. If you're not on the list, here's your gun, thank you and have a nice day. -- Jim That is how our country was founded. To the point of even fining those men who did not bring their gums to church. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The public ignorance on this subject is appalling, and BHO did a "good job" exploiting emotion and ignorance this morning. The gun show loophole is a myth. All gun dealers do the instant background check every time, for that check is worth (obviously not much). Universal background checks are equivalent to universal gun registration. Federal gun laws are potent and quite actionable but the Justice Department appears to have little interest in using those laws to incarcerate violent criminals. Perhaps the powers that be need a level of crime (or the perception thereof) for political leverage (like "fast and furious"?) The point of the whole carnival act this morning is to try to make more citizens into criminals, therefore, either intimidated (thereby controlled), or controllable (we won't put ya in prison if ya do this) (whatever this is) The bummer hired the holder. Bummer is the holder's chief. The holder was/is an illegal g u m runner with the bummer's knowledge/insistence. Holder is a criminal; bummer is a criminal. Gunrunners are often called thugs. Therefore, we have the thug in chief. Did anyone catch the hypocrisy of a g u m runner claiming he has to do something about g u m control? BTW: the media, (including fox) was squawking all day about "closing the (imaginary) gun show loophole." The whole carnival side show is lies based on lies based on misconception. But it is a useful diversion to hide shredding the constitution and the ascendence of lenin the younger and dumber. In one day whatever was left of the bill of r i gh ts is pretty much burned. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure, exactly right. -Curt From: Jim Cathey To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > Registry, database, whatever you want to call it there has to be some > well of information to pull from and it can't be free, somebody will > have to pay for it. Makes some sense to me for the buy to pay a > relatively small fee, say $10, on each purchase. They need to register the (relatively) few NON-right holders, not the gun owners. If you're not on the list, here's your gun, thank you and have a nice day. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Registry, database, whatever you want to call it there has to be some well of information to pull from and it can't be free, somebody will have to pay for it. Makes some sense to me for the buy to pay a relatively small fee, say $10, on each purchase. They need to register the (relatively) few NON-right holders, not the gun owners. If you're not on the list, here's your gun, thank you and have a nice day. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hard for me to see this political theater as anything other than a distraction, a foil, used by both R and D to whip up their base. Prez gets to claim progress, R's cry constitutional foul, gun sales and political fundraising and NRA memberships all go up, no change to violent crime or incidents of mass shootings or domestic terrorism. Meanwhile, federal deficit continues to balloon, SS and Medicare still going bust, ISIL runs rampant, etc. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The public ignorance on this subject is appalling, and BHO did a "good job" exploiting emotion and ignorance this morning. The gun show loophole is a myth. All gun dealers do the instant background check every time, for that check is worth (obviously not much). Universal background checks are equivalent to universal gun registration. Federal gun laws are potent and quite actionable but the Justice Department appears to have little interest in using those laws to incarcerate violent criminals. Perhaps the powers that be need a level of crime (or the perception thereof) for political leverage (like "fast and furious"?) > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Curt Raymond via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:28 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace this > as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of being > "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them basically > nothing. > I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background checks. > Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now so > it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We refuse > to change anything." > -Curt > > > From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel > Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Obummer has accomplished precisely nothing, save to shoot himself in the > foot: > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429235/obama-gun-control- > executive-orders-mistake > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Big brother has taken over for personal responsibility. A local University president shut down his campus for a day because a student made a hurtful comment online. Nobody got hurt, other than some feelings. Free speech was quashed to protect the esteem challenged clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > If recent reporting from several college campuses is to be believed, "we" > have produced a generation that believes society (the government) is > responsible for protecting them from everything, even from hearing something > they don't agree with. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Of Curt >> Raymond via Mercedes >> >> You're probably right, a lot of it is fear driven. We live in the safest >> world we've ever known, crime is down, sickness is down, hunger is down, >> poverty is down. As a species we're pretty poor at judging risks. I read >> a thing the other day that said if you poll people they'll tell you how >> dangerous unprotected sex is, where in the real world long car trips are >> much more likely to get you hurt of killed... >> -Curt >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you are not a dealer. Your sale at a loss is one of the loopholes. Small number of guns sold also exempts. Seattle idiots voted in a tax on guns and ammo this year. $25 per gun, 0.05 per round is what we got. Guess where the gun shops are going. OUT OF TOWN. With fewer vendors, there is reduced tax, which the sponsors were betting on filling their coffers. The pawn shops will probably decide to get out of the gun business. Stolen guns will come in, while legit weapons become scarce. Me, I am ordering ammo online clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > > >> On January 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Strangely criminals don't really keep records of who they sell guns too. This >> law will accomplish exactly zero. What interests me is it won't hurt anybody >> selling guns legally either, probably won't even moderately inconvenience >> anybody either which is why I'm baffled that the pro-gun folks are against >> it. >> They should show what good team players they are by backing Obama on this, >> he's hit them a softball and not only are they not going to catch it they're >> going to run over an take a dump on it... > > > You don't think being required to become an FFL would inconvenience anyone > evenly moderately? > Why don't you apply for an FFL and get back to me on that. > > The best part is, there still doesn't seem to be any statement of how many > sales > makes you a 'dealer'. > I sold two brand new guns to the son of an internet friend last month, for > less > than I paid for them more than a year ago. > Am I now an 'unlicensed dealer'? > > And why are you calling an executive order a "law"? > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We used to be able to put the bad actors down, thereby reducing the criminal population. Now we warehouse them, costing tax payers billions of dollars. Washington decided to computerize the system, which has led to bunches of dangerous folks getting let out after spending less than a third of the time behind bars. More civilians armed against violent offenders would combat the rise in crime. Criminals do not have Obamacare clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which showed > that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, and > supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. > > I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious crime > was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender laws > like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting these guys > off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal behavior of guys > with 20 page criminal records. > > Mitch. > > > Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: >> I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a lot of >> the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related to guns and >> robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the streets and carrying >> and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch and release on low/no >> bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison space and the #blm folks get >> all upset when one of them is put away (as opposed to "put down" unless it >> is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). Mostly dope/gang >> related, somebody dissed somebody else... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When my grandparents were born, communicable disease was the leading cause of death. My kids are going to die from lifestyle illnesses. All these post war advances are making us soft, wasting our cash, and encouraging the socialist agenda for a Nanny state. The poor remain in America, we have just overfed them, so they stay calm and down on the farm, not marching in the streets. clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > You're probably right, a lot of it is fear driven. We live in the safest > world we've ever known, crime is down, sickness is down, hunger is down, > poverty is down. As a species we're pretty poor at judging risks. I read a > thing the other day that said if you poll people they'll tell you how > dangerous unprotected sex is, where in the real world long car trips are much > more likely to get you hurt of killed... > -Curt > > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > More to the point, in the last 5-10 years it seems like we as a society are > placing far more significance to one's political affiliation as a measure of > social norms. > > When I was younger and especially as a child growing up in a very politically > active household, I never experienced the vitriol of the likes that we see > today. > > I wonder if it's not due to the various news organizations and talking heads > that get the masses all whipped into a frenzy. Especially those who cater to > people who might be less educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas > that are not of their own thought process. > > It's one thing to have opposing views, but to disrespect another just because > they think differently from you is something that I have a hard time > understanding. > > Dan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC, the invective and hate speech directed at the Shrubbery on list, let alone in public was quite caustic. Pretty sure Clowntoon also had uncivil discourse heaped on him as well. clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > There you go - being politically correct. The anti-Obama crowd has dropped > all pretense of civility or common decency, basking in their exalted state > of political IN-correct-ness.. > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> What strikes me as interesting lately is the personal attacks on BO that >> the right seems to think are totally okay to make, saying that he hates >> America et al. I mean can't you disagree with somebody without calling them >> Mr. Poopy pants? >> 8 years ago if you said Bush was an idiot you were "Against us" and >> "Giving aid comfort to the enemy." (obscure literary joke) but not its >> totally okay to call Obama all kinds of names. He is a person after all and >> while you might disagree I find the name calling the biggest problem we >> have. How can we expect the government to work when we the people spend >> most of our time calling each other names. Its like a couple of drunks at a >> bar... >> -Curt >> >> >> >> From: Curly McLain via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] the thug in chief >> >> Just shredded more of the bill of rights. >> >> By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. >> >> Will anyone be able to stand up to him? >> >> Lenin, junior, marches on. >> >> 1st amend ment is gone >> 2nd is gone >> 4th is gone >> power of the purse is gone. >> >> >> The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 >> treatise on how to collapse the gooberment. >> >> http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ >> shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, >> both with no real world experience. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Registry, database, whatever you want to call it there has to be some well of information to pull from and it can't be free, somebody will have to pay for it. Makes some sense to me for the buy to pay a relatively small fee, say $10, on each purchase. -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] the thug in chief I sort of agree with Curt on this...however, I think that the checks should be instant, free of charge, and done without creating a registry. After all, voters don't pay to register or vote, and the right to vote is not an actual constitutional right. Canada proved that firearms registries are very costly and solve zero crimes. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 7:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace this as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of being "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them basically nothing. I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background checks. Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now so it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We refuse to change anything." -Curt From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Obummer has accomplished precisely nothing, save to shoot himself in the foot: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429235/obama-gun-control-executive-orde rs-mistake ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Repubs gained office on the claim "We can get stuff done!" if the government shuts down thats irrefutable proof that they can't... Remember "The Super Committee" that was going to fix the sequester? The one where everybody was going to "Work Together"? Two days later it was "We'll all work together as long as you do what I want." Can't place blame on one party for that one, both were doing it. Remember I hate both parties equally, they're all turds, its just the kind of turd you get. -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief >Curt sez: >The pendulum swings both ways. I honestly thought the Republicans >would let government shut down which would have been the kiss of >death for them... Then how come nearly every time the gooberment was shut down, the R gained seats int he next election? Methinks you've been listening to the "brains" on the telly, not checking facts. >In any rate we the people need to understand that government isn't >really about doing things, the best times we've ever had were >generally during times when the government was deadlocked and >couldn't accomplish anything. Thats "the process" actually at work. Yes, Amen >A maoism: >From what I've seen our politicians need to look up the >definition of the word "compromise". One side rolls over and plays dead, the other side will never compromise. That is why there is no compromise. Obumster got more than asked for in the new budget. Who didn't compromise? >-Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"47% of all statistics are made up on the spot." "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/ >> >> "... hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be >> accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a >> few >> hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether >> they >> had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number >> is >> quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain." >> >> Greg >> > > sorta like the "93% of scientists agree that global warming is real" > Complete fabrication BS. > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mao. Not everyone. I find your views quite interesting, in a mad kind of way. Certifiable Fred. From: Mercedes on behalf of Mountain Man via Mercedes Sent: 05 January 2016 23:11 To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Mountain Man Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Scott wrote: > If recent reporting from several college campuses is to be believed, "we" > have produced a generation that believes society (the government) is > responsible for protecting them from everything, even from hearing something > they don't agree with. > Yep. I am the one to blame. Blame me, everyone else does. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > ...the best times we've ever had were generally during times when the > government was deadlocked and couldn't accomplish anything. Thats "the > process" actually at work. > Hear, Hear. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott wrote: > If recent reporting from several college campuses is to be believed, "we" > have produced a generation that believes society (the government) is > responsible for protecting them from everything, even from hearing something > they don't agree with. > Yep. I am the one to blame. Blame me, everyone else does. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: > One third of gun sales bypass the background check. yeah - don't sell me your spare ak i am a known toro-wrist mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/ "... hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a few hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether they had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number is quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain." Greg sorta like the "93% of scientists agree that global warming is real" Complete fabrication BS. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/ "... hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a few hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether they had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number is quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain." Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Newspaper article - Wash. Post. Today I think On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > One third of gun sales bypass the background check. >> On Jan 5, 2016 12:50 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote: >> > > Source of this data please? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It depends on which laws. If "increasing enforcement" means vigorously prosecuting habitual violent criminals I'm all for it. Keeping such criminals off the streets will seriously lower violent crime rates. Much of the efforts of the BATFE are directed at generating "scratches"- statistics that look good on paper but do little to deter violent crime. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Actually, part of the initiative is to increase enforcement of existing laws and rules. This was an NRA talking point. Anyone have a problem with that? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which > showed that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, and > supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. > > I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious crime > was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender laws > like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting these guys > off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal behavior of > guys with 20 page criminal records. > > Mitch. > > > Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: > >> I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a lot >> of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related to guns and >> robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the streets and >> carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch and release on >> low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison space and the #blm >> folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as opposed to "put down" >> unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). >> Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I sort of agree with Curt on this...however, I think that the checks should be instant, free of charge, and done without creating a registry. After all, voters don't pay to register or vote, and the right to vote is not an actual constitutional right. Canada proved that firearms registries are very costly and solve zero crimes. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 7:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace this as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of being "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them basically nothing. I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background checks. Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now so it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We refuse to change anything." -Curt From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Obummer has accomplished precisely nothing, save to shoot himself in the foot: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429235/obama-gun-control-executive-orde rs-mistake ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt sez: The pendulum swings both ways. I honestly thought the Republicans would let government shut down which would have been the kiss of death for them... Then how come nearly every time the gooberment was shut down, the R gained seats int he next election? Methinks you've been listening to the "brains" on the telly, not checking facts. In any rate we the people need to understand that government isn't really about doing things, the best times we've ever had were generally during times when the government was deadlocked and couldn't accomplish anything. Thats "the process" actually at work. Yes, Amen A maoism: >From what I've seen our politicians need to look up the definition of the word "compromise". One side rolls over and plays dead, the other side will never compromise. That is why there is no compromise. Obumster got more than asked for in the new budget. Who didn't compromise? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Newspaper article - Wash. Post. Today I think On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > One third of gun sales bypass the background check. >> On Jan 5, 2016 12:50 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote: >> > > Source of this data please? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One third of gun sales bypass the background check. On Jan 5, 2016 12:50 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" wrote: Source of this data please? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was a Mao quote... The pendulum swings both ways. I honestly thought the Republicans would let government shut down which would have been the kiss of death for them... In any rate we the people need to understand that government isn't really about doing things, the best times we've ever had were generally during times when the government was deadlocked and couldn't accomplish anything. Thats "the process" actually at work. From what I've seen our politicians need to look up the definition of the word "compromise". -Curt From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Maybe. But maybe too much media misinformation is bleeding through. Republicans control both houses of congress, most state legislatures, and most governorships. In fact, they have more political control than any time since the Civil War (maybe someone should tell them this). > > Curt wrote: > ... > GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. .. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe. But maybe too much media misinformation is bleeding through. Republicans control both houses of congress, most state legislatures, and most governorships. In fact, they have more political control than any time since the Civil War (maybe someone should tell them this). > > Curt wrote: > ... > GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. .. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Theres no real way to know that since private sales are generally not recorded. Sellers won't need to get an FFL, in mandatory background check states you do your private sale through a dealer FFL for a nominal ($10 or $20) fee. Again the NRA could be working WITH lawmakers on this to spell out these things or they could balk and lose their place at the table which is what they're doing. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Mitch Haley Cc: Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief One third of gun sales bypass the background check.On Jan 5, 2016 12:50 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" wrote: > On January 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Strangely criminals don't really keep records of who they sell guns too. This > law will accomplish exactly zero. What interests me is it won't hurt anybody > selling guns legally either, probably won't even moderately inconvenience > anybody either which is why I'm baffled that the pro-gun folks are against it. > They should show what good team players they are by backing Obama on this, > he's hit them a softball and not only are they not going to catch it they're > going to run over an take a dump on it... You don't think being required to become an FFL would inconvenience anyone evenly moderately? Why don't you apply for an FFL and get back to me on that. The best part is, there still doesn't seem to be any statement of how many sales makes you a 'dealer'. I sold two brand new guns to the son of an internet friend last month, for less than I paid for them more than a year ago. Am I now an 'unlicensed dealer'? And why are you calling an executive order a "law"? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If recent reporting from several college campuses is to be believed, "we" have produced a generation that believes society (the government) is responsible for protecting them from everything, even from hearing something they don't agree with. > -Original Message- > From: Of Curt > Raymond via Mercedes > > You're probably right, a lot of it is fear driven. We live in the safest > world we've ever known, crime is down, sickness is down, hunger is down, > poverty is down. As a species we're pretty poor at judging risks. I read > a thing the other day that said if you poll people they'll tell you how > dangerous unprotected sex is, where in the real world long car trips are > much more likely to get you hurt of killed... > -Curt > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> And why are you calling an executive order a "law"? > Mitch. > Because all the edicts of a dictator are "law." ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” H. L. Mencken From: Mercedes on behalf of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: 05 January 2016 17:22 To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief They're being dumb, its like arguing with a four year old, you're never going to win and you lose respect for just trying. By digging in their heels and being obstructionist they look consistently bad. Somewhere along the way LaPierre and crowd decided they were vigilante cowboys protecting the homeland, same with the Republican party. Assuming Bernie gets the nod from the Democrats I predict he'll win since I'm still cautiously optimistic that Trump won't run. If Hillary wins the primary all bets are off, it'll totally depend on who runs for the Republicans. If it came down to Hilary and Trump slugging it out I feel like a moderate Libertarian candidate like a Ron Paul could probably sweep in and steal it all away. People would be so disgusted with their choices they'd look for ANYBODY else. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One third of gun sales bypass the background check. On Jan 5, 2016 12:50 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" wrote: > > > > On January 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > > Strangely criminals don't really keep records of who they sell guns too. > This > > law will accomplish exactly zero. What interests me is it won't hurt > anybody > > selling guns legally either, probably won't even moderately inconvenience > > anybody either which is why I'm baffled that the pro-gun folks are > against it. > > They should show what good team players they are by backing Obama on > this, > > he's hit them a softball and not only are they not going to catch it > they're > > going to run over an take a dump on it... > > > You don't think being required to become an FFL would inconvenience anyone > evenly moderately? > Why don't you apply for an FFL and get back to me on that. > > The best part is, there still doesn't seem to be any statement of how many > sales > makes you a 'dealer'. > I sold two brand new guns to the son of an internet friend last month, for > less > than I paid for them more than a year ago. > Am I now an 'unlicensed dealer'? > > And why are you calling an executive order a "law"? > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On January 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Strangely criminals don't really keep records of who they sell guns too. This > law will accomplish exactly zero. What interests me is it won't hurt anybody > selling guns legally either, probably won't even moderately inconvenience > anybody either which is why I'm baffled that the pro-gun folks are against it. > They should show what good team players they are by backing Obama on this, > he's hit them a softball and not only are they not going to catch it they're > going to run over an take a dump on it... You don't think being required to become an FFL would inconvenience anyone evenly moderately? Why don't you apply for an FFL and get back to me on that. The best part is, there still doesn't seem to be any statement of how many sales makes you a 'dealer'. I sold two brand new guns to the son of an internet friend last month, for less than I paid for them more than a year ago. Am I now an 'unlicensed dealer'? And why are you calling an executive order a "law"? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: > “We know that we can’t stop every act of violence. But what if we tried to > stop > even one (by restricting the rights of 300 million)?” People with rights are responsible in the commons - o, try to parse that as red / blue? Thugs are responsible to themselves, or nobody. Gun rights do not die with executive order. Someone said executive order governs the executive branch of government, not the entire populace. Tell me this is RONG, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Quote of the year (so far): “We know that we can’t stop every act of violence. But what if we tried to stop even one (by restricting the rights of 300 million)?” https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/01/04/live-updates-what-president-doing-keep-guns-out-wrong-hands?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=email543-text1&utm_campaign=guns ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Strangely criminals don't really keep records of who they sell guns too. This law will accomplish exactly zero. What interests me is it won't hurt anybody selling guns legally either, probably won't even moderately inconvenience anybody either which is why I'm baffled that the pro-gun folks are against it. They should show what good team players they are by backing Obama on this, he's hit them a softball and not only are they not going to catch it they're going to run over an take a dump on it... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief According to CNN here is what the President has proposed: "President Barack Obama bypassed Congress on Tuesday, unveiling a unilateral initiative designed to curb gun violence in the U.S. through a series of executive actions. The new executive actions do not conflict with the Second Amendment, Obama said from the White House at an event with gun violence victims and their families. "But I also believe that we can find ways to reduce gun violence consistent with the Second Amendment." In an effort to expand background checks for buyers, the White House introduced a new requirement for individuals "in the business of selling firearms" to register as licensed gun dealers, effectively narrowing the so-called "gun show loophole," which exempts most small sellers from keeping formal sales records. The initiative also provides more funding for mental health treatment, FBI staff and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives agents." On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: They're being dumb, its like arguing with a four year old, you're never going to win and you lose respect for just trying. By digging in their heels and being obstructionist they look consistently bad. Somewhere along the way LaPierre and crowd decided they were vigilante cowboys protecting the homeland, same with the Republican party. Assuming Bernie gets the nod from the Democrats I predict he'll win since I'm still cautiously optimistic that Trump won't run. If Hillary wins the primary all bets are off, it'll totally depend on who runs for the Republicans. If it came down to Hilary and Trump slugging it out I feel like a moderate Libertarian candidate like a Ron Paul could probably sweep in and steal it all away. People would be so disgusted with their choices they'd look for ANYBODY else. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond ; Mountain Man Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief So the NRA is too soft for you? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Curt wrote: > A polite person just doesn't bring it up... +1 - TOTALLY!! Thanks. GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. This sentiment... from a person that has never voted blue. GOP has a losing game plan, loosers for players, and blue has dynasty which always wins, becuz it is dynasty. Did I call anyone a name? - to be polite, even the concept of less educated is Rong. Education has nunthn' to do with vote. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On January 5, 2016 at 12:14 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > So the NRA is too soft for you? You talking to Dan/Mao or to me? NRA has, at various times, stood for National Republican Association and Negotiating Rights Away, both were (now-failed) sellout strategies. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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-Curt wrote: > If it came down to Hilary and Trump slugging it out I feel like a moderate > Libertarian candidate like a Ron Paul could probably sweep in and steal it > all away. People would be so disgusted with their choices they'd look for > ANYBODY else. > Third party candidate, and, lack of consensus about uniform disgust will cause an essential failure to dynasty (a known quantity - we like tried & true). Too bad, but the reds are in the pockets of the blues, by design. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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According to CNN here is what the President has proposed: "President Barack Obama bypassed Congress on Tuesday, unveiling a unilateral initiative designed to curb gun violence <http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/obama-executive-action-gun-control/index.html> in the U.S. through a series of executive actions. The new executive actions do not conflict with the Second Amendment, Obama said from the White House at an event with gun violence victims and their families. "But I also believe that we can find ways to reduce gun violence consistent with the Second Amendment." In an effort to expand background checks for buyers, the White House introduced a new requirement for individuals "in the business of selling firearms" to register as licensed gun dealers, effectively narrowing the so-called "gun show loophole," which exempts most small sellers from keeping formal sales records. The initiative also provides more funding for mental health treatment, FBI staff and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives agents." On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > They're being dumb, its like arguing with a four year old, you're never > going to win and you lose respect for just trying. By digging in their > heels and being obstructionist they look consistently bad. Somewhere along > the way LaPierre and crowd decided they were vigilante cowboys protecting > the homeland, same with the Republican party. > Assuming Bernie gets the nod from the Democrats I predict he'll win since > I'm still cautiously optimistic that Trump won't run. If Hillary wins the > primary all bets are off, it'll totally depend on who runs for the > Republicans. > If it came down to Hilary and Trump slugging it out I feel like a moderate > Libertarian candidate like a Ron Paul could probably sweep in and steal it > all away. People would be so disgusted with their choices they'd look for > ANYBODY else. > -Curt > > > From: Andrew Strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond ; Mountain Man < > maontin@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > So the NRA is too soft for you? > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Curt wrote: > > A polite person just doesn't bring it up... > > +1 - TOTALLY!! > Thanks. > GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. > This sentiment... from a person that has never voted blue. > GOP has a losing game plan, loosers for players, and blue has dynasty > which always wins, becuz it is dynasty. > Did I call anyone a name? - to be polite, even the concept of less > educated is Rong. Education has nunthn' to do with vote. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They're being dumb, its like arguing with a four year old, you're never going to win and you lose respect for just trying. By digging in their heels and being obstructionist they look consistently bad. Somewhere along the way LaPierre and crowd decided they were vigilante cowboys protecting the homeland, same with the Republican party. Assuming Bernie gets the nod from the Democrats I predict he'll win since I'm still cautiously optimistic that Trump won't run. If Hillary wins the primary all bets are off, it'll totally depend on who runs for the Republicans. If it came down to Hilary and Trump slugging it out I feel like a moderate Libertarian candidate like a Ron Paul could probably sweep in and steal it all away. People would be so disgusted with their choices they'd look for ANYBODY else. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond ; Mountain Man Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief So the NRA is too soft for you? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Curt wrote: > A polite person just doesn't bring it up... +1 - TOTALLY!! Thanks. GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. This sentiment... from a person that has never voted blue. GOP has a losing game plan, loosers for players, and blue has dynasty which always wins, becuz it is dynasty. Did I call anyone a name? - to be polite, even the concept of less educated is Rong. Education has nunthn' to do with vote. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So the NRA is too soft for you? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curt wrote: > > A polite person just doesn't bring it up... > > +1 - TOTALLY!! > Thanks. > GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. > This sentiment... from a person that has never voted blue. > GOP has a losing game plan, loosers for players, and blue has dynasty > which always wins, becuz it is dynasty. > Did I call anyone a name? - to be polite, even the concept of less > educated is Rong. Education has nunthn' to do with vote. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > ...unwilling to manage the situation at all... Total red / GOP - total looser! Get wise, red. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: > I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which showed > that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, and > supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. Very nice, interesting. Has anyone seen the Making A Murderer netflix series? I breezed thru about 3 episodes and the end. I suspect Steven Avery of Manitowoc is no CEO-type but is a rather occasional criminal that was railroaded. I don't hear opposing views, however, which is suspicious. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > A polite person just doesn't bring it up... +1 - TOTALLY!! Thanks. GOP has lost the election, along with the promises NRA promises. This sentiment... from a person that has never voted blue. GOP has a losing game plan, loosers for players, and blue has dynasty which always wins, becuz it is dynasty. Did I call anyone a name? - to be polite, even the concept of less educated is Rong. Education has nunthn' to do with vote. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree completely but the NRA seems unwilling to manage the situation at all which makes them look obstructive and uncooperative and the anti-gun crowd is making much hay off that. By being pro-instant check they'd take their opponent's weapon away and make ground themselves. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Which will do not much of anything to lower the shootings and deaths (there are plenty of laws about shooting and killing). I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a lot of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related to guns and robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the streets and carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch and release on low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison space and the #blm folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as opposed to "put down" unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... Yesterday half the Charleston PD seemed to be at a location up the road when I drove by, appears that two YBGs had a shootout in the street there, about 150-200yd from the middle school. Of course nobody dint see nuffin, so they will probably be at it again when it warms up a bit in a coupla days. There are plenty of "gun laws" on the books, enforcement of those would do more to cut down on the crime than anything else. These "common sense" laws or regulations or whatever really mostly affect law-abiding citizens, which is not generally where the problems occur. Smoke and mirrors mostly... This post has some interesting info and data on the local events https://www.facebook.com/ThePostandCourier/posts/1153356158015461 --R On 1/5/16 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace > this as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of > being "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them > basically nothing. > I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background checks. > Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now so > it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We refuse > to change anything." > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, part of the initiative is to increase enforcement of existing laws and rules. This was an NRA talking point. Anyone have a problem with that? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which > showed that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, and > supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. > > I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious crime > was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender laws > like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting these guys > off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal behavior of > guys with 20 page criminal records. > > Mitch. > > > Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: > >> I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a lot >> of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related to guns and >> robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the streets and >> carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch and release on >> low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison space and the #blm >> folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as opposed to "put down" >> unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). >> Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I seem to remember an article decades ago, which cited research which showed that there were minor occasional criminals, one time criminals, and supercriminals who worked at with the diligence of a CEO. I don't remember the numbers, but it seems like 85% of the serious crime was done by 15% or less of the criminals. The habitual offender laws like Michigan's "three strikes" statute are aimed at getting these guys off the street, but we keep reading about ongoing criminal behavior of guys with 20 page criminal records. Mitch. Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a lot of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related to guns and robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the streets and carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch and release on low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison space and the #blm folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as opposed to "put down" unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which will do not much of anything to lower the shootings and deaths (there are plenty of laws about shooting and killing). I read the papers around here about the daily/weekly shootings, and a lot of the perps and vics have multiple prior arrests, many related to guns and robberies and shootings, yet they are still walking the streets and carrying and using (illegal) weapons after multiple catch and release on low/no bonds, mostly because there isn't enough prison space and the #blm folks get all upset when one of them is put away (as opposed to "put down" unless it is white on black -- black on black barely gets a notice). Mostly dope/gang related, somebody dissed somebody else... Yesterday half the Charleston PD seemed to be at a location up the road when I drove by, appears that two YBGs had a shootout in the street there, about 150-200yd from the middle school. Of course nobody dint see nuffin, so they will probably be at it again when it warms up a bit in a coupla days. There are plenty of "gun laws" on the books, enforcement of those would do more to cut down on the crime than anything else. These "common sense" laws or regulations or whatever really mostly affect law-abiding citizens, which is not generally where the problems occur. Smoke and mirrors mostly... This post has some interesting info and data on the local events https://www.facebook.com/ThePostandCourier/posts/1153356158015461 --R On 1/5/16 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace this as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of being "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them basically nothing. I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background checks. Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now so it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We refuse to change anything." -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're probably right, a lot of it is fear driven. We live in the safest world we've ever known, crime is down, sickness is down, hunger is down, poverty is down. As a species we're pretty poor at judging risks. I read a thing the other day that said if you poll people they'll tell you how dangerous unprotected sex is, where in the real world long car trips are much more likely to get you hurt of killed... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief More to the point, in the last 5-10 years it seems like we as a society are placing far more significance to one's political affiliation as a measure of social norms. When I was younger and especially as a child growing up in a very politically active household, I never experienced the vitriol of the likes that we see today. I wonder if it's not due to the various news organizations and talking heads that get the masses all whipped into a frenzy. Especially those who cater to people who might be less educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are not of their own thought process. It's one thing to have opposing views, but to disrespect another just because they think differently from you is something that I have a hard time understanding. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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*Slaps the offending wretch with his glove* You sir offend my honor. Theres politically correct, which is stupid pandering to the weak willed and there is polite which is being a gentleman. Politically correct changes "Fat people" to "weight disadvantaged". A polite person just doesn't bring it up... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief There you go - being politically correct. The anti-Obama crowd has dropped all pretense of civility or common decency, basking in their exalted state of political IN-correct-ness.. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: What strikes me as interesting lately is the personal attacks on BO that the right seems to think are totally okay to make, saying that he hates America et al. I mean can't you disagree with somebody without calling them Mr. Poopy pants? 8 years ago if you said Bush was an idiot you were "Against us" and "Giving aid comfort to the enemy." (obscure literary joke) but not its totally okay to call Obama all kinds of names. He is a person after all and while you might disagree I find the name calling the biggest problem we have. How can we expect the government to work when we the people spend most of our time calling each other names. Its like a couple of drunks at a bar... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] the thug in chief Just shredded more of the bill of rights. By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. Will anyone be able to stand up to him? Lenin, junior, marches on. 1st amend ment is gone 2nd is gone 4th is gone power of the purse is gone. The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 treatise on how to collapse the gooberment. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, both with no real world experience. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the NRA had any brains at all (I have my doubts lately) they'd embrace this as "useful discussion and change" which would give them the shine of being "Bipartisan" and "working with the other side" while costing them basically nothing. I have no idea why the NRA hasn't latched on to universal background checks. Pretty much all reputable gun sellers are already using instant check now so it'd make them able to say "We're part of the solution" instead of "We refuse to change anything." -Curt From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief Obummer has accomplished precisely nothing, save to shoot himself in the foot: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429235/obama-gun-control-executive-orders-mistake ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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More to the point, in the last 5-10 years it seems like we as a society are placing far more significance to one's political affiliation as a measure of social norms. When I was younger and especially as a child growing up in a very politically active household, I never experienced the vitriol of the likes that we see today. I wonder if it's not due to the various news organizations and talking heads that get the masses all whipped into a frenzy. Especially those who cater to people who might be less educated and more susceptible to parroting ideas that are not of their own thought process. It's one thing to have opposing views, but to disrespect another just because they think differently from you is something that I have a hard time understanding. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > What strikes me as interesting lately is the personal attacks on BO that the > right seems to think are totally okay to make, saying that he hates America > et al. I mean can't you disagree with somebody without calling them Mr. Poopy > pants? > 8 years ago if you said Bush was an idiot you were "Against us" and "Giving > aid comfort to the enemy." (obscure literary joke) but not its totally okay > to call Obama all kinds of names. He is a person after all and while you > might disagree I find the name calling the biggest problem we have. How can > we expect the government to work when we the people spend most of our time > calling each other names. Its like a couple of drunks at a bar... > -Curt > > > > From: Curly McLain via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM > Subject: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Just shredded more of the bill of rights. > > By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. > > Will anyone be able to stand up to him? > > Lenin, junior, marches on. > > 1st amend ment is gone > 2nd is gone > 4th is gone > power of the purse is gone. > > > The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 > treatise on how to collapse the gooberment. > > http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ > shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, > both with no real world experience. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There you go - being politically correct. The anti-Obama crowd has dropped all pretense of civility or common decency, basking in their exalted state of political IN-correct-ness.. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What strikes me as interesting lately is the personal attacks on BO that > the right seems to think are totally okay to make, saying that he hates > America et al. I mean can't you disagree with somebody without calling them > Mr. Poopy pants? > 8 years ago if you said Bush was an idiot you were "Against us" and > "Giving aid comfort to the enemy." (obscure literary joke) but not its > totally okay to call Obama all kinds of names. He is a person after all and > while you might disagree I find the name calling the biggest problem we > have. How can we expect the government to work when we the people spend > most of our time calling each other names. Its like a couple of drunks at a > bar... > -Curt > > > > From: Curly McLain via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM > Subject: [MBZ] the thug in chief > > Just shredded more of the bill of rights. > > By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. > > Will anyone be able to stand up to him? > > Lenin, junior, marches on. > > 1st amend ment is gone > 2nd is gone > 4th is gone > power of the purse is gone. > > > The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 > treatise on how to collapse the gooberment. > > http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ > shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, > both with no real world experience. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What strikes me as interesting lately is the personal attacks on BO that the right seems to think are totally okay to make, saying that he hates America et al. I mean can't you disagree with somebody without calling them Mr. Poopy pants? 8 years ago if you said Bush was an idiot you were "Against us" and "Giving aid comfort to the enemy." (obscure literary joke) but not its totally okay to call Obama all kinds of names. He is a person after all and while you might disagree I find the name calling the biggest problem we have. How can we expect the government to work when we the people spend most of our time calling each other names. Its like a couple of drunks at a bar... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] the thug in chief Just shredded more of the bill of rights. By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. Will anyone be able to stand up to him? Lenin, junior, marches on. 1st amend ment is gone 2nd is gone 4th is gone power of the purse is gone. The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 treatise on how to collapse the gooberment. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, both with no real world experience. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Obummer has accomplished precisely nothing, save to shoot himself in the foot: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429235/obama-gun-control-executive-orders-mistake ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: > Berium O'Bummer is taking down the nation Nope!! I am taking down the nation. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am reading a book by Orson Scott Card on just this theme. Military decides that US of A has gone soft and destroyed too much of the Constitution, kills POTUS, gits martial law going and strips away the namby pamby liberal crapola. Berium O'Bummer is taking down the nation clay On Jan 4, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Just shredded more of the bill of rights. > > By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. > > Will anyone be able to stand up to him? > > Lenin, junior, marches on. > > 1st amend ment is gone > 2nd is gone > 4th is gone > power of the purse is gone. > > > The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 treatise on > how to collapse the gooberment. > > http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ shows how > b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, both with no real > world experience. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Are Mercedes still allowed? Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 1990 300D Wickford RI On Jan 4, 2016 10:15 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > Just shredded more of the bill of rights. > > By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. > > Will anyone be able to stand up to him? > > Lenin, junior, marches on. > > 1st amend ment is gone > 2nd is gone > 4th is gone > power of the purse is gone. > > > The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 treatise > on how to collapse the gooberment. > > http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ shows > how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, both with > no real world experience. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just shredded more of the bill of rights. By official edict of his royal asinineness, b.o., criminal in chief. Will anyone be able to stand up to him? Lenin, junior, marches on. 1st amend ment is gone 2nd is gone 4th is gone power of the purse is gone. The phrase "living constitution" comes out of woody wilson's 1908 treatise on how to collapse the gooberment. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/mark-levin-on-president-woodrow-wilson/ shows how b.o. is wilson incarnate. Both "progressive," both racist, both with no real world experience. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com