Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Are they ever going to decriminalize pot? It seems to be in about the same situation booze was in near the end of Prohibition in the 1920s: Oh, ancient sin, Oh, bathtub gin, How rare and how robust, Bouquet of tin and porcelain And little grains of rust. Our cares dissolved as you evolved, Your beauty was benumbing. You rose full-armor'd from the bath Like Venus from the plumbing. When hardened hearts in foreign ports Deride your name with scorn, And whisper calumnies and say That you were basely born, I plant a wreath of juniper, My thirsty tonsils ache To fill my skin with bathtub gin Like Father used to make. -- From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. It does not deter use, it just makes felons of a huge number of people. I don't know what the percentage of people in prison who have only non-violent drug possession convictions is, but it's something like half -- to the tune of $100,000 per year in cost! No other nation in the Western world did Prohibition, for just this reason. Drug abuse is a social problem, not a criminal one (except for manufacture and distribution), and there is no penalty in Europe for possession for personal use. Therefore most of the using population isn't criminal, the prisons aren't full of non-violent criminals, and the police have time to work on real crime. The hysteria about pot started in the teens when nice white urban girls started getting turned on to it by, ahem, persons of color attached to the Jazz movement. It was mostly an African/Latino thing before that, but proper white society went into a major speed wobble when the races started mixing. The properties of the substance weren't really the issue. The insanity in the 60's started with a whack case in Texas who found roaches in the back yard after coming home from an extended vacation without the kids -- seems the underage kids had been having a non- stop party for the month the parents were gone and Mommy blew a gasket about the road to heroin. Texas passed a law against possession that called for the death penalty (no lesser sentence available) for detectable amounts of pot. Sheer lunacy, if one can be that kind, and the Texas Supreme Court actually upheld it if I remember correctly. I can understand Carrie Nation's objection to excessive drinking, although she was another nut case bound and determined to force everyone to do what SHE wanted. Public drunkenness was a huge problem around the turn of the century in America, to the point that many industries really only ran Tuesday to Thursday -- by Friday afternoon the work force was usually comatose and weren't able to work until Tuesday morning. This is not an exaggeration, it was REALLY bad, as many European visitors commented. Of course working people to death for less than it cost to live was also rampant. Outlawing alcohol isn't the answer, of course, that just leads to people being poisoned by improperly distilled spirits, economic ruin for a perfectly normal and safe industry (beer, wine, and spirits manufacture), and social chaos when half the population is actively engaged in criminal activity. I think the proper term is contempt for the Law -- we end up with a class of people who commit felonies several times a day, so they end up feeling that ALL laws are just as ridiculous and quickly graduate to things like armed robbery, theft, assault, embezelment, and so forth. I think we will eventually come to our collective senses and de- criminalize drug possession, while simultaneously clamping down on pharmaceutical companies making precursors freely available (the meth problem is easily preventable -- all you have to do is remove the easy access to synthetic pseudo-ephidrine). It worked to stop the Qualude epidemic in the 70's. Can't make psuedoephidrine in the basement, it takes a decent sized chemical synthesis setup and considerable skill, knowledge, and quality control. You can, however, buy the stuff by the ton on the open market, no questions asked, if you have the cash. The major guys have been screaming for years it's too profitable to even verify that the purchaser is actually a bona fide drug manufacturer. Ain't profit great? The main fundamental flaw in the free market system is that it's driven solely and completely by making huge amounts of money (the other serious flaw is that a free market doesn't actually exist, all products require capital investment to make, so if you don't have any, you can't compete. Just try to build a 767 in your basement, for instance!). Making money is all fine and good, but just look at what we've done with fuel use -- it may indeed prove out that short term, even decades long short term, high profits result in a horribly poor public policy. Galbraith, not Keans. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question - now drugs and politics and political financial discussion
Yes, Peter, I agree. In a slightly different direction, an eye opener for me was being in Cuba [legally] for a few weeks some years ago and talking with some party members and just people on the street, as well as meetings with a cabinet minister and even a short visit with Castro - as well as a member of the secret police and the tourist agency. It was easy enough to talk about and show some of the problems with their form of communism, but they have their points also. With limited goods there are two ways to get a handle on distribution: a price tag or a quota system. We obviously use the price tag method, they used a coupon book. It was somewhat interesting to realize a number of people had more money than they could use. The highest paid persons [we will leave out the big exception, that being the top government folk] were top university professors, who might make $300 a month. A physician [I roomed with one for a week] was about on par with a mechanic socially and financially [Cuban M.D.'s over here didn't get their MDiety until they were in the US.] That seems a pittance to us [even in the late 1980's when I was there], but say you made $200/month: Rent was fixed at 10% of income and you could feed a family of 4 for $25 a month. Lots of public transportation [and old American cars] but just about no consumer goods unless you had a passport of knew someone [a foreigner] who did and would take you into those shops [only US $ foreign currency accepted, only pesos given for change]. You have $200/month to spend and the basics cost @50. Clothing / shoes are rationed, as is better food. Health care is free as is education. I took a Presbyterian minister into one of them and he pulled out enough cash to buy three pair of $100 jeans. What else is he going to spend his $ on? I didn't ask how many Cuban pesos it took to get US $100, but I suspect it was significant. It was eye-opening to me to see what I still take to be something of a backwater country [because of Castro mostly] that has a lower infant mortality rate than we do [we learn to be better able to take care of the tiny ones, they make sure the pregnant women get a decent diet], and as an experiment I got on a bus one Sunday morning and rode 4 hours into the county, got out in a small town and walked to the last road in the town and every child playing on the street had decent clothes and shoes. I did not see a single obviously hungry person in the three weeks I was there, and the one beggar we did see [at least according to the cab driver at the time] was doing it by choice outside of a church - his choice, but not a nec3essity to live. Gee, I haven't thought about this stuff for a decade and now I can't shut up. But I will. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. It does not deter use, it just makes felons of a huge number of people. I don't know what the percentage of people in prison who have only non-violent drug possession convictions is, but it's something like half -- to the tune of $100,000 per year in cost! No other nation in the Western world did Prohibition, for just this reason. Drug abuse is a social problem, not a criminal one (except for manufacture and distribution), and there is no penalty in Europe for possession for personal use. Therefore most of the using population isn't criminal, the prisons aren't full of non-violent criminals, and the police have time to work on real crime. The hysteria about pot started in the teens when nice white urban girls started getting turned on to it by, ahem, persons of color attached to the Jazz movement. It was mostly an African/Latino thing before that, but proper white society went into a major speed wobble when the races started mixing. The properties of the substance weren't really the issue. The insanity in the 60's started with a whack case in Texas who found roaches in the back yard after coming home from an extended vacation without the kids -- seems the underage kids had been having a non- stop party for the month the parents were gone and Mommy blew a gasket about the road to heroin. Texas passed a law against possession that called for the death penalty (no lesser sentence available) for detectable amounts of pot. Sheer lunacy, if one can be that kind, and the Texas Supreme Court actually upheld it if I remember correctly. I can understand Carrie Nation's objection to excessive drinking, although she was another nut case bound and determined to force everyone to do what SHE wanted. Public drunkenness was a huge problem around the turn of the century
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Another observation on the genesis of marijuana prohibition - The prohibition against alcohol resulted in an enormous build-up of the police force, FBI, prisons, etc, a whole burgeoning bureaucracy. Then prohibition was nixed - and we had a powerful bureaucracy with no justification for its existence. What to do? A massive propaganda campaign was launched, linking the weed to black/brown men violating white women, to incurable insanity, to a bunch of repugnant, ridiculous, made-up crap. The term marijuana was not widely in vogue, but the term was popularized during this blitz to underscore that it was the recreational substance of Mexicans. The propaganda blitz with its shameless appeal to racism was effective, and the marijuana tax act was passed only a few short years after prohibition (of ETOH) ended, with outright criminalization following closely on its heels. Mission accomplished! The police state was preserved, and has now grown to the point where the incarceration of our citizens is a top industry and we keep a greater percentage of our citizens behind bars than the Soviet Union ever did. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. It does not deter use, it just makes felons of a huge number of people. I don't know what the percentage of people in prison who have only non-violent drug possession convictions is, but it's something like half -- to the tune of $100,000 per year in cost! No other nation in the Western world did Prohibition, for just this reason. Drug abuse is a social problem, not a criminal one (except for manufacture and distribution), and there is no penalty in Europe for possession for personal use. Therefore most of the using population isn't criminal, the prisons aren't full of non-violent criminals, and the police have time to work on real crime. The hysteria about pot started in the teens when nice white urban girls started getting turned on to it by, ahem, persons of color attached to the Jazz movement. It was mostly an African/Latino thing before that, but proper white society went into a major speed wobble when the races started mixing. The properties of the substance weren't really the issue. The insanity in the 60's started with a whack case in Texas who found roaches in the back yard after coming home from an extended vacation without the kids -- seems the underage kids had been having a non- stop party for the month the parents were gone and Mommy blew a gasket about the road to heroin. Texas passed a law against possession that called for the death penalty (no lesser sentence available) for detectable amounts of pot. Sheer lunacy, if one can be that kind, and the Texas Supreme Court actually upheld it if I remember correctly. I can understand Carrie Nation's objection to excessive drinking, although she was another nut case bound and determined to force everyone to do what SHE wanted. Public drunkenness was a huge problem around the turn of the century in America, to the point that many industries really only ran Tuesday to Thursday -- by Friday afternoon the work force was usually comatose and weren't able to work until Tuesday morning. This is not an exaggeration, it was REALLY bad, as many European visitors commented. Of course working people to death for less than it cost to live was also rampant. Outlawing alcohol isn't the answer, of course, that just leads to people being poisoned by improperly distilled spirits, economic ruin for a perfectly normal and safe industry (beer, wine, and spirits manufacture), and social chaos when half the population is actively engaged in criminal activity. I think the proper term is contempt for the Law -- we end up with a class of people who commit felonies several times a day, so they end up feeling that ALL laws are just as ridiculous and quickly graduate to things like armed robbery, theft, assault, embezelment, and so forth. I think we will eventually come to our collective senses and de- criminalize drug possession, while simultaneously clamping down on pharmaceutical companies making precursors freely available (the meth problem is easily preventable -- all you have to do is remove the easy access to synthetic pseudo-ephidrine). It worked to stop the Qualude epidemic in the 70's. Can't make psuedoephidrine in the basement, it takes a decent sized chemical synthesis setup and considerable skill, knowledge, and quality control. You can, however, buy the stuff by the ton on the open market, no questions asked, if you have the cash. The major guys have been screaming for years it's too profitable to even verify that the purchaser is actually a bona fide drug manufacturer. Ain't profit great? The main
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
2-3 AM!!! that's way to early for me to get up. I usually start around 7 AM and that's way early. Everything is usually ready by about 2-5PM depending what I cook or how fast. You can do a decent Boston Butt in about 6 or so hours. I'll have to send a picture of my homebuilt smokers. Yeah I have two, one for big parties, it's made of a 150 gal propane tank and sits on a small trailer, and the other is smaller about the size of a 55 gallon drum for just a small family thing. They were a lot of fun to build. I now have a 250 gallon tank that I am considering putting on a trailer. It would be separated in the middle. One end for a regular grill and the other end for a smoker. Trouble is I don't really need anything that big but it's fun to build. Ah heck whatchya gonna do. I do agree, Lee, that the ETOH is a very important part of the cooking process, as well as a good book, a comfy chair and a sun umbrella to keep me cool. You'd never think that I like to eat a lot, would you Bill? I'll have to get with your big sister and see about some of those pots she grows, are they cast iron? Cause that's what I like to cook with. I always thought they were poured in a foundry. OH! never mind I get it now. ;-D Manfred Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:10:40 -0600 From: Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Exactly. This is why privatizing prisons makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. For a real scare, read The New Industrial State but John Kenneth Galbraith. Peter On May 17, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Lee Einer wrote: Another observation on the genesis of marijuana prohibition - The prohibition against alcohol resulted in an enormous build-up of the police force, FBI, prisons, etc, a whole burgeoning bureaucracy. Then prohibition was nixed - and we had a powerful bureaucracy with no justification for its existence. What to do? A massive propaganda campaign was launched, linking the weed to black/brown men violating white women, to incurable insanity, to a bunch of repugnant, ridiculous, made-up crap. The term marijuana was not widely in vogue, but the term was popularized during this blitz to underscore that it was the recreational substance of Mexicans. The propaganda blitz with its shameless appeal to racism was effective, and the marijuana tax act was passed only a few short years after prohibition (of ETOH) ended, with outright criminalization following closely on its heels. Mission accomplished! The police state was preserved, and has now grown to the point where the incarceration of our citizens is a top industry and we keep a greater percentage of our citizens behind bars than the Soviet Union ever did. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. It does not deter use, it just makes felons of a huge number of people. I don't know what the percentage of people in prison who have only non-violent drug possession convictions is, but it's something like half -- to the tune of $100,000 per year in cost! No other nation in the Western world did Prohibition, for just this reason. Drug abuse is a social problem, not a criminal one (except for manufacture and distribution), and there is no penalty in Europe for possession for personal use. Therefore most of the using population isn't criminal, the prisons aren't full of non-violent criminals, and the police have time to work on real crime. The hysteria about pot started in the teens when nice white urban girls started getting turned on to it by, ahem, persons of color attached to the Jazz movement. It was mostly an African/Latino thing before that, but proper white society went into a major speed wobble when the races started mixing. The properties of the substance weren't really the issue. The insanity in the 60's started with a whack case in Texas who found roaches in the back yard after coming home from an extended vacation without the kids -- seems the underage kids had been having a non- stop party for the month the parents were gone and Mommy blew a gasket about the road to heroin. Texas passed a law against possession that called for the death penalty (no lesser sentence available) for detectable amounts of pot. Sheer lunacy, if one can be that kind, and the Texas Supreme Court actually upheld it if I remember correctly. I can understand Carrie Nation's objection to excessive drinking, although she was another nut case bound and determined to force everyone to do what SHE wanted. Public drunkenness was a huge problem around the turn of the century in America, to the point that many industries really only ran Tuesday to Thursday -- by Friday afternoon the work force was usually comatose and weren't able to work until Tuesday morning. This is not an exaggeration, it was REALLY bad, as many European visitors commented. Of course working people to death for less than it cost to live was also rampant. Outlawing alcohol isn't the answer, of course, that just leads to people being poisoned by improperly distilled spirits, economic ruin for a perfectly normal and safe industry (beer, wine, and spirits manufacture), and social chaos when half the population is actively engaged in criminal activity. I think the proper term is contempt for the Law -- we end up with a class of people who commit felonies several times a day, so they end up feeling that ALL laws are just as ridiculous and quickly graduate to things like armed robbery, theft, assault, embezelment, and so forth. I think we will eventually come to our collective senses and de- criminalize drug possession, while simultaneously clamping down on pharmaceutical companies making precursors freely available (the meth problem is easily preventable -- all you have to do is remove the easy access to synthetic pseudo-ephidrine). It worked to stop the Qualude epidemic in the 70's. Can't make psuedoephidrine in the basement, it takes a decent sized chemical synthesis setup and considerable skill, knowledge, and quality control. You can, however, buy the stuff by the ton on the open market, no questions asked, if you have the cash. The major guys have been
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Peter Frederick wrote: Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. In order to do prohibition, they had to amend the Constitution. Since then, it's just been easier to ignore the Constitution than try to change it to allow a police state. Like all our Wars on Some Drugs, all it did it make crime profitable and provide an excuse for law enforcement to act worse than the other criminals. http://www.ajc.com/training/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/05/13/tesler_0514.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,355796,00.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
We were joking at work the other day that most of the guy's wives don't like to grill -- hard to schedule everything that way with the grill outside and the need for constant attention. I said, well, it's really about making great food, and it requires a good chair, a beer, and a buddy or two to hang around the grill all afternoon. Not industrial cooking, craft cooking The rest of the meal should be stuff from the fridge or quick to heat so you can just lay it out when the meat is done. I'm doing ribs today, need to get them on so we can eat at reasonable hour. Today is mowing day (the grass is a foot tall, I'll be at it all day and part of tomorrow for sure!) and I can walk past the grill every half hour or so and slap on some more sauce and flip them over Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
I agree on the wee hours of the night thing. I'm starting the ribs in a few minutes for 6:00 dinner. As usual I didn't have all the ingredients I wanted, so I used Greek salad dressing instead of Caesar - but it seems to smell about the same. A bit of garlic powder and pepper and I am good to go. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question 2-3 AM!!! that's way to early for me to get up. I usually start around 7 AM and that's way early. Everything is usually ready by about 2-5PM depending what I cook or how fast. You can do a decent Boston Butt in about 6 or so hours. I'll have to send a picture of my homebuilt smokers. Yeah I have two, one for big parties, it's made of a 150 gal propane tank and sits on a small trailer, and the other is smaller about the size of a 55 gallon drum for just a small family thing. They were a lot of fun to build. I now have a 250 gallon tank that I am considering putting on a trailer. It would be separated in the middle. One end for a regular grill and the other end for a smoker. Trouble is I don't really need anything that big but it's fun to build. Ah heck whatchya gonna do. I do agree, Lee, that the ETOH is a very important part of the cooking process, as well as a good book, a comfy chair and a sun umbrella to keep me cool. You'd never think that I like to eat a lot, would you Bill? I'll have to get with your big sister and see about some of those pots she grows, are they cast iron? Cause that's what I like to cook with. I always thought they were poured in a foundry. OH! never mind I get it now. ;-D Manfred Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:10:40 -0600 From: Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question - now drugs and politicsand political financial discussion
Did you visit Cuba before or after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Bill? Gerry - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Peter, I agree. In a slightly different direction, an eye opener for me was being in Cuba [legally] for a few weeks some years ago and talking with some party members and just people on the street, as well as meetings with a cabinet minister and even a short visit with Castro - as well as a member of the secret police and the tourist agency. It was easy enough to talk about and show some of the problems with their form of communism, but they have their points also..snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was there when the USSR was still supporting them. I could check an old passport and get the exact dates, but about two years before the USSR broke up - I was never good with dates. As Castro said, They are paying us a fair price for our sugar and selling us fuel at a fair price i.e. - they were giving them money hand over fist. It was a different sight for me to look out the window when I was in Mantanzas and see Soviet ships in the harbor. I saw a troop of Soviet soldiers coming through the airport and couldn't believe how cheap their uniforms were. The only Soviet folks I ran into on the street didn't speak any English so I couldn't talk with them. They were lovers on vacation and I don't think they especially wanted to talk anyhow. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question - now drugs and politicsand political financial discussion Did you visit Cuba before or after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Bill? Gerry - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Peter, I agree. In a slightly different direction, an eye opener for me was being in Cuba [legally] for a few weeks some years ago and talking with some party members and just people on the street, as well as meetings with a cabinet minister and even a short visit with Castro - as well as a member of the secret police and the tourist agency. It was easy enough to talk about and show some of the problems with their form of communism, but they have their points also..snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Obviously we have at least some folks who like to eat. Forget the chicken for a minute [just cooked what I had], how about country ribs? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Einer Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Only thing I've hurt bad in my smoker was a beef brisket, I couldn't keep in cool enough. Got to try again. Pete On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:10:40 -0600, you wrote: I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
You guys who don't live on the surface of the sun like I do and you don't have a garden? No excuse for that. Bob R Jonesin' for a garden -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
