Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
I and others I have recommended this to have had good results with stubborn lock cylinders: spray the key and the keyhole with 100% silicone spray. Work the key into the cylinder and rotate it back and forth until the cylinder moves freely. YMMV. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question Curt Raymond wrote: I had the exact same symptom on my 240D last year. In my case all the tumblers had seized inside the lock and I had to cut it apart to get them out. I have no idea what you can do in the trunk situation... Kroil? ATF and Acetone? (4-5 drops inside the cylinder) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: It acts sometimes like it's either a key to another lock or is bent or something. This may be happening here, as well, if the key has been the only key you've used for years, it may no longer be in the correct shape to push up the final tumbler, letting the key the rest of the way into the lock. Another thought I just had you may have not gotten the lock into a full vertical position the last time you locked the trunk. Ergo, the lock *looks* straight but is off enough that the tumbler pins aren't fully aligned, keeping the last pin from being able to push into the lock bezel releasing the tumbler. (The pin is against something solid, so can not move) Have you tried gently wiggling the key as you push it into the lock in an attempt to realign the tumblers and get the last pin to fall into place? EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090710/7a7b2163/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
Spray an appropriate lubricant into the lock, wait a day or so, make sure you have right key, firmly attach key to a vibrating sander (or appropriate vibrating mechanism), insert key in lock while vibrating it as necessary, after key is fully inserted, turn it to unlock while continuing to vibrate the key as necessary. Such use of a vibrating sander saved me nearly $1000 on a 124 master (ignition) lock problem I had in Oct 07; lock would NOT turn; vibrating it allowed me to turn it in less than 5 seconds. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: It acts sometimes like it's either a key to another lock or is bent or something. This may be happening here, as well, if the key has been the only key you've used for years, it may no longer be in the correct shape to push up the final tumbler, letting the key the rest of the way into the lock. Another thought I just had you may have not gotten the lock into a full vertical position the last time you locked the trunk. Ergo, the lock *looks* straight but is off enough that the tumbler pins aren't fully aligned, keeping the last pin from being able to push into the lock bezel releasing the tumbler. (The pin is against something solid, so can not move) Have you tried gently wiggling the key as you push it into the lock in an attempt to realign the tumblers and get the last pin to fall into place? EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090710/7a7b2163/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
I'm not sure thats possible with a w123 lock. The pins aren't really pins in the way I'd think of them. They're thin brass plates that are rounded on the narrow ends of their rectangular shape. To get the key OUT they have to all be in the groove that lets them sit OUT the farthest. To make the lock turn the plates have to all draw IN. There are many plates in there, I forget exactly how many, 8 or 9 I think... -Curt Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:14:16 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30907101014u14aeddcbg998eb3e2876a7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: It acts sometimes like it's either a key to another lock or is bent or something. This may be happening here, as well, if the key has been the only key you've used for years, it may no longer be in the correct shape to push up the final tumbler, letting the key the rest of the way into the lock. Another thought I just had you may have not gotten the lock into a full vertical position the last time you locked the trunk. Ergo, the lock *looks* straight but is off enough that the tumbler pins aren't fully aligned, keeping the last pin from being able to push into the lock bezel releasing the tumbler. (The pin is against something solid, so can not move) Have you tried gently wiggling the key as you push it into the lock in an attempt to realign the tumblers and get the last pin to fall into place? EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090710/fd099f8e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure thats possible with a w123 lock. The pins aren't really pins in the way I'd think of them. They're thin brass plates that are rounded on the narrow ends of their rectangular shape. To get the key OUT they have to all be in the groove that lets them sit OUT the farthest. To make the lock turn the plates have to all draw IN. There are many plates in there, I forget exactly how many, 8 or 9 I think... Ah, yes, well that *would* be different wouldn't it? Someone should buy me a W123 so I can better familiarize myself of the locks. EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090710/560faefb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:05:23 -0400 Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, yes, well that *would* be different wouldn't it? Someone should buy me a W123 so I can better familiarize myself of the locks. Either that, or just send you a lock, which would be cheaper. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can send you a lock! -Curt Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:05:23 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30907101205xb017d67x40a7dfa7cf459...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure thats possible with a w123 lock. The pins aren't really pins in the way I'd think of them. They're thin brass plates that are rounded on the narrow ends of their rectangular shape. To get the key OUT they have to all be in the groove that lets them sit OUT the farthest. To make the lock turn the plates have to all draw IN. There are many plates in there, I forget exactly how many, 8 or 9 I think... Ah, yes, well that *would* be different wouldn't it? Someone should buy me a W123 so I can better familiarize myself of the locks. EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090710/7fa4564c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum At 08:40 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
Is the key slot vertical or horizontal? Vertical is the vacuum/air control position and horizontal is the key locked position. Luther Loren Faeth wrote: I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
Yes-on my 240D (and my previous one) the key override vacuum-must be in lock or latch. Squirrel residue from storage? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum At 08:40 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1 ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
the key slot is vertical. Are you sure about key/vacuum positions? I always found it was opposite. Vertical is locked with key and horiz is open/vacuum locked. At 09:25 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Is the key slot vertical or horizontal? Vertical is the vacuum/air control position and horizontal is the key locked position. Luther Loren Faeth wrote: I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
Loren, Are you sure you are using the Owners key and not the Valet key. Only the Owners key will unlock the trunk and glove box. Try the key in the glove box to make sure it will Lock Unlock it. Russ W. Loren Faeth wrote: I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum At 08:40 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
The trunk was locked with the key, so that would not work. mguzzir...@gmail.com wrote: Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
NO squirrels in the building. Some dust, but the trunk lock is protected by position, and by the functional lock door. There did not appear to be any opportunity of foreign material to enter. At 09:35 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Yes-on my 240D (and my previous one) the key override vacuum-must be in lock or latch. Squirrel residue from storage? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum At 08:40 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1 ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
It is the same key that has always worked before, but I will check. As far as I know, the valet key will go into the trunk and glove box, but won't turn. This is a problem that the key won't go into the slot. At 09:48 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Loren, Are you sure you are using the Owners key and not the Valet key. Only the Owners key will unlock the trunk and glove box. Try the key in the glove box to make sure it will Lock Unlock it. Russ W. Loren Faeth wrote: I thought the key lock overrides the vacuum lock. I will try starting the car. the vacuum locks work, so if vacuum overrides air, that will unlock the trunk, but I am skeptical. I know on the 107, the key overrides vacuum At 08:40 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Remove the rear seat, find the vacuum lines that go into the trunk and mitivac each one until the lock unlocks. Onee locks and one unlocks. On Jul 9, 2009 9:34am, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/1ce562cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm 100% sure about them. I've locked/unlocked my SDL trunk about 15 times in the last week. But, if it has been locked by the key, it will have to be turned CCW first to unlock it and allow you to push the button in or allow the vacuum/pressure to work. Luther Loren Faeth wrote: the key slot is vertical. Are you sure about key/vacuum positions? I always found it was opposite. Vertical is locked with key and horiz is open/vacuum locked. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
I had the exact same symptom on my 240D last year. In my case all the tumblers had seized inside the lock and I had to cut it apart to get them out. I have no idea what you can do in the trunk situation... Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:34:34 -0500 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: mailman.267.1247146691.11109.mercedes_okiebenz@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/d96188b8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
On My 240 both keys will fit into the lock. On SWMBO's 240 the Valet key only goes in half or a little past half way in. Go figure. Loren Faeth wrote: It is the same key that has always worked before, but I will check. As far as I know, the valet key will go into the trunk and glove box, but won't turn. This is a problem that the key won't go into the slot. At 09:48 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: Loren, Are you sure you are using the Owners key and not the Valet key. Only the Owners key will unlock the trunk and glove box. Try the key in the glove box to make sure it will Lock Unlock it. Russ W. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question
Curt Raymond wrote: I had the exact same symptom on my 240D last year. In my case all the tumblers had seized inside the lock and I had to cut it apart to get them out. I have no idea what you can do in the trunk situation... Kroil? ATF and Acetone? (4-5 drops inside the cylinder) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks for the info. I will gather up all the keys I have and take them next time. If by chance a valet key was left with the car, then that could be the problem. I will test the keys in the glove box to be sure I have an owner key. I hope either the PB blaster loosens the elements or i have an owners key that will work. At 11:10 AM 7/9/2009, you wrote: I had the exact same symptom on my 240D last year. In my case all the tumblers had seized inside the lock and I had to cut it apart to get them out. I have no idea what you can do in the trunk situation... Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:34:34 -0500 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: mailman.267.1247146691.11109.mercedes_okiebenz@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed 240D (123) has been sitting in a building for almost a year. I tried to unlock the trunk, and the key won't go in all the way. It goes in 1/2-3/4 of the way. I tried spraying in the lock with PB, but that didn't seem to make any difference. I could insert a 3/32 drill rod all the way and I could insert a metal wiper reinforcement (about 1/8 wide) all the way. First I thought an element was stuck, but later thought something was stuck inside the lock. After getting the drill rod and flat metal in, I am back to thinking something is stuck. I figured that I would let the PB soak for a while and see what happens. The trunk was locked with the key when it was parked. I don't think there is any way into the trunk without getting the lock to work, other than as a last resort, drilling out the lock. Is that correct? Yes, it is the right key, it works in the ign and in the doors. Thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/d96188b8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Thanks for the info. I will gather up all the keys I have and take them next time. If by chance a valet key was left with the car, then that could be the problem. I will test the keys in the glove box to be sure I have an owner key. I hope either the PB blaster loosens the elements or i have an owners key that will work. On a different, but related, note: How worn is the key you have on you? I have a house key, that will not always go into my dead bolt. My wife's and my eldest daughter's keys work without problem, but mine has been well used and as such isn't quite true any more. It acts sometimes like it's either a key to another lock or is bent or something. This may be happening here, as well, if the key has been the only key you've used for years, it may no longer be in the correct shape to push up the final tumbler, letting the key the rest of the way into the lock. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/a2f88afb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The problem is theres not much space to work with and on mine the tumbler's were trapped in some kind of waxy substance. I thought maybe it was just my car but one of the replacements from Wilton had a similar waxy substance though the coating wasn't as bad and I was able to drive the tumblers out with a punch. Maybe if you could figure out a way to gently heat the whole arrangement... A torch is a really bad way to do it and it'll take time to get the whole cylinder warm. -Curt Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:34:23 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a561c0f.1090...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I had the exact same symptom on my 240D last year. In my case all the tumblers had seized inside the lock and I had to cut it apart to get them out. I have no idea what you can do in the trunk situation... Kroil? ATF and Acetone? (4-5 drops inside the cylinder) Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/48e851bd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Put the key (or some old key or a piece of metal similar size) in as far as it will go and put the torch to that. It will get hot enough. --R Curt Raymond wrote: The problem is theres not much space to work with and on mine the tumbler's were trapped in some kind of waxy substance. I thought maybe it was just my car but one of the replacements from Wilton had a similar waxy substance though the coating wasn't as bad and I was able to drive the tumblers out with a punch. Maybe if you could figure out a way to gently heat the whole arrangement... A torch is a really bad way to do it and it'll take time to get the whole cylinder warm. -Curt Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:34:23 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 trunk lock question To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a561c0f.1090...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I had the exact same symptom on my 240D last year. In my case all the tumblers had seized inside the lock and I had to cut it apart to get them out. I have no idea what you can do in the trunk situation... Kroil? ATF and Acetone? (4-5 drops inside the cylinder) Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/48e851bd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090709/b24d869b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:04:16 -0500 Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: It is the same key that has always worked before, but I will check. As far as I know, the valet key will go into the trunk and glove box, but won't turn. This is a problem that the key won't go into the slot. I have always seen that the valet key will go in only about half-way. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
