Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Hendrik Fay wrote: wait for the tow truck because our super dooper efficient cars have fried electronics but wait the tow truck is broken down too because the you beaut CDI engine is not working. How many vehicles with EFI are out there? They seem to be pretty reliable... Although I wasn't around at the time, I imagine there were many similar sentiments when that came of age. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Smaller houses waste less fuel. Ain't that the truth! The 3300SF house with the 3-car garage plus the 4-car heated shop cost us 3 times the energy bills! WE had to move back into our 2000SF house since it didn't sell, so now, it shouldn't take long to save up enough money for me to buy this 1973 220D fixer upper. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/645361275.html Only thing is that there isn't a place to park it unless I give up the W126! Decisions, decisions! No, it's not up for sale! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Kevin disclosed us: so now, it shouldn't take long to save up enough money for me to buy this 1973 220D fixer upper. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/645361275.html; I'd be on that like a hobo on a hot dog. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
The guy that sits next to me at work has a 1900sq/ft house he enlarged from 900sq/ft and now he bitches CONSTANTLY about heating it. Geez Jim if you didn't have so much space it'd be easier to heat... My 900sqft 1938 house is easier to heat than my parents 2000sqft 1974 and it'll be easier to heat still after this summer when I re-insulate the attic space. Again every $1 spent on conservation is big money on the other end. I've already seen it, I started insulating the basement space and its made a big difference. Last winter we burned around 40% more oil than we did this season... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:17:06 -0400 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond wrote: houses greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6 for instance? I'm trying to finalize plans for my post frame home. It was 1680ft (30x56) last year but now I'm wondering about 40x56 or 30x72 for a few thousand extra $$. Does 2000 square feet sound like enough for one guy? It'll be about 1/3 living space, 1/6 office space and 1/2 garage/workshop. R20 wall insulation, R50 ceiling, and 300-400 square feet of vertical solar collector on the south side. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I'm trying to finalize plans for my post frame home. It was 1680ft (30x56) last year but now I'm wondering about 40x56 or 30x72 for a few thousand extra $$. Does 2000 square feet sound like enough for one guy? It'll be about 1/3 living space, 1/6 office space and 1/2 garage/workshop. R20 wall insulation, R50 ceiling, and 300-400 square feet of vertical solar collector on the south side. 800 square feet living space. 1600 square feet garage/shop. 100ⁿ square foot indoor storage Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Hendrik Fay wrote: I have never driven a 2.5 but would think for you average commute it would be the go vs the 300E which is a great highway cruiser. How does your government feel about engine modifications? I've seen claims of around 330 horsepower for OM602 2.5L, which might translate to 250-300 hp without the smokescreen. I'm assuming that if you put out enough smoke to blot out the sun you won't be popular with the local authorities. I've seen the Finns claim 6 or 7 litres per 100km (33-39mpg) from modified OM603/W124, provided they can go through an entire tank of fuel without hitting the throttle hard. Apparently one 0-100kph run will make a noticable difference in the average consumption for a tank of fuel. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I've seen the Finns claim 6 or 7 litres per 100km (33-39mpg) from modified OM603/W124, provided they can go through an entire tank of fuel without hitting the throttle hard. Apparently one 0-100kph run will make a noticable difference in the average consumption for a tank of fuel. Somehow I doubt that only ONE would make that much of a difference. But who can do just one? I wonder if their modification skills extend to a valet switch? I could see plenty of call for one of those even for the owner. (Label it Cop-Saver or some such!) Basically set to keep it below the stupid fun and/or black smoke level. That's the beauty of souped-up diesels, they don't tend to suffer drivability or fuel consumption penalties for street use, if you can keep your foot out of it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Thanks for the real world numbers, John. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 89 300TE averaged 17.81 MPG (USA) on california premium across 50,397 miles of driving, mostly city, still highway wasn't anything close to claims. claim is 17 (city),21 (highway) ,19 (mixed) 18.6 mpg when running on non-california gas for 21,374 miles, but more highway miles. This compares to my numbers (all 50K miles of recording) 24.2 MPG for 83 300TDtclaim is 22 (city),25 (highway) ,? (mixed) 25.9 MPG for 92 300TDt claim is 23 (city),27 (highway) ,25 (mixed) 16.6 MPG for 93 500SEL claim is 13 (city),17 (highway) ,15 (mixed) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
That cinches it - it's one 300D 2.5 for the commute, another one to hotrod, then switch them out! How does your government feel about engine modifications? I've seen claims of around 330 horsepower for OM602 2.5L, which might translate to 250-300 hp without the smokescreen. I'm assuming that if you put out enough smoke to blot out the sun you won't be popular with the local authorities. I've seen the Finns claim 6 or 7 litres per 100km (33-39mpg) from modified OM603/W124, provided they can go through an entire tank of fuel without hitting the throttle hard. Apparently one 0-100kph run will make a noticable difference in the average consumption for a tank of fuel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Jim Cathey wrote: Somehow I doubt that only ONE would make that much of a difference. That depends. How many ounces of #2 does it take to make one Black Cloud of Death? I also don't know how much of a change Mauri is talking about. Does he drop from 6.5 liters per 100km to 7.0 for a 50 liter fill? That would require wasting a gallon of fuel, which seems like a lot. OTOH, my brother used to claim his Olds 98 with 455 4bbl would drop the fuel gauge one needle width on a 0-60 run, and that thing had at least a 20 gallon tank. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
My 72 Olds 98 would drop the needle in one 0 - 100 MPH pedal to the floor run. It had a Olds 455 engine. It was a great car, by the way. 13 MPG city, unless I played with it, then mileage dropped below 9 MPG. 19 MPG highway. Regular gas. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline Jim Cathey wrote: Somehow I doubt that only ONE would make that much of a difference. That depends. How many ounces of #2 does it take to make one Black Cloud of Death? I also don't know how much of a change Mauri is talking about. Does he drop from 6.5 liters per 100km to 7.0 for a 50 liter fill? That would require wasting a gallon of fuel, which seems like a lot. OTOH, my brother used to claim his Olds 98 with 455 4bbl would drop the fuel gauge one needle width on a 0-60 run, and that thing had at least a 20 gallon tank. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
premium OK Don wrote: I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
The 5 speed was used in the 140, the 124 still have a 4 speed Hendrik Fay wrote: Depends on which 104, early ones use KE jet, later use motronic and are more efficient. The 103 will go alright on regular but may lose a little mileage, whilst the 104 motronic will require premium. The 104 also use the better 5 speed transmission. Fuel usage between the 300E and 2.5D? Are you serious? The 300E sucks fuel in town but does alright cruising at moderate speeds. The OM603 is one of MB's most fuel efficient non CDI Diesel engines, when comparing the power output. There is a wrecked 300D on ebay at the moment, only problem is that they want 2.5K Oz beans and it is in Melbourne and it is a HK import. If it had memory seats I might get excited http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=130214879163ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=003 Hendrik Loren Faeth wrote: I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier to service than the 104. The M104 is a hotrod, and as such, may be harder to keep your foot out of; therefore yielding effectively less economy when perhaps on paper it might be a little better. My next car will likely be a 104 though... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Also, you said the break even point was ~23mpg, that means to actually save any money, or any real money anyway, you need at least 25mpg but with your small mileage more like 30mpg... -Curt Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:54:49 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Probably wise - but it seemed like it was time to re-evaluate. The 450SLC at 15MPG will cost an extra $1000 per year, so I only drive it on nice Sunday afternoons now. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in your costs are going to be pretty negligible over the range of 15 - 25 MPG, gas or diesel. I'd say drive the car that you LIKE. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
How about we impose larger restrictions on fuel wasters, houses greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6 for instance? Smaller houses waste less fuel. Smaller cars waste less fuel, lets put an end to large pickups not meeting fuel economy standards just because they're supposed to be commercial vehicles. If we'd put on a $1/gal gas tax 4 years ago we might not be in quite the pickle we're in today. I suspect fleet fuel economy has risen 1-2mpg in the last 3 years in line with rising fuel prices. As prices continue to rise fleet economy probably will also... I believe in the RE (renewable energy) mantra, every $1 spent on conservation is worth $5 (maybe more) in production. -Curt Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:47:29 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. If everyone would start calling their congresslizards and Senatoreptiles and demanding that drilling restrictions be relaxed, that Anwar be opened for drilling and that we increase domestic power production by all means, then we might start to get somewhere. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Curt Raymond wrote: How about we impose larger restrictions on fuel wasters, houses greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6 for instance? Smaller houses waste less fuel. I think its possible for the average 1600sqft house built in the 50's-60's etc to consume more energy than a 2000+ sqft house built to todays insulation and building standards. It would be nice if pickups had to conform to EPA regulations though! John (1284 sqft house built in 1954) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Curt Raymond wrote: houses greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6 for instance? I'm trying to finalize plans for my post frame home. It was 1680ft (30x56) last year but now I'm wondering about 40x56 or 30x72 for a few thousand extra $$. Does 2000 square feet sound like enough for one guy? It'll be about 1/3 living space, 1/6 office space and 1/2 garage/workshop. R20 wall insulation, R50 ceiling, and 300-400 square feet of vertical solar collector on the south side. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Before they do any of that, I bet they'll ban and crush all our old cars. :-) Ed 300E On 17/04/2008, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we impose larger restrictions on fuel wasters, houses greater than 2000 square feet with families smaller than 6 for instance? Smaller houses waste less fuel. Smaller cars waste less fuel, lets put an end to large pickups not meeting fuel economy standards just because they're supposed to be commercial vehicles. If we'd put on a $1/gal gas tax 4 years ago we might not be in quite the pickle we're in today. I suspect fleet fuel economy has risen 1-2mpg in the last 3 years in line with rising fuel prices. As prices continue to rise fleet economy probably will also... I believe in the RE (renewable energy) mantra, every $1 spent on conservation is worth $5 (maybe more) in production. -Curt Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:47:29 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. If everyone would start calling their congresslizards and Senatoreptiles and demanding that drilling restrictions be relaxed, that Anwar be opened for drilling and that we increase domestic power production by all means, then we might start to get somewhere. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline + transmission gear numbers
You sure, a 124CE I test drove a while back had the 104 and a 5 speed box. Pretty sure it was KE jet as well but can't remember. I do believe the series 3 with the updated 4 banger and six all got the 5 speed. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The 5 speed was used in the 140, the 124 still have a 4 speed ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline + transmission gear numbers
Probably a US vs the rest of the world thing -- we don't get the good stuff. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sure, a 124CE I test drove a while back had the 104 and a 5 speed box. Pretty sure it was KE jet as well but can't remember. I do believe the series 3 with the updated 4 banger and six all got the 5 speed. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I got 31.5 mpg on the last tank of fuel (I'm running between 31 and 32 without the AC right now). My mother's TE gets about 20 around here, 24 or so, never better, on the highway, although it's been quite a while since it took along trip. She only uses a tank every couple weeks or less. My brother was getting 18 out of his new 300E, but that was before the head gasket and the replacement of all the intake rubber parts -- he thinks it's using somewhat less now, and I still need to re-check the fuel mixture (obviously off due to multiple tears, holes, and loose fittings on the intake boot and idle control valve). I'm guessing more like 25-27 on the highway at low cruising speed and 20 in town, more or less. Not exactly stingy with the fuel, that's why they used a four in Europe, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Fantastic, then we can all sit on the side of the road and wait for the tow truck because our super dooper efficient cars have fried electronics but wait the tow truck is broken down too because the you beaut CDI engine is not working. Hendrik who keeps telling himself, as he watches the numbers climb on the petrol bowser, I didn't pay that much for this car and it is pretty relaible E M wrote: Before they do any of that, I bet they'll ban and crush all our old cars. :-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
If we'd put on a $1/gal gas tax 4 years ago we might not be in quite the pickle we're in today. I'm opposed to 'punitive' taxation. The gov't ends up dependent on the very quantity they're taxing, and incentive to actually promulgating fuel efficiency goes down, at least on their part. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline + transmission gear numbers
I have never seen a 124 with a 5 speed auto, not sure about other parts of the world Hendrik Fay wrote: You sure, a 124CE I test drove a while back had the 104 and a 5 speed box. Pretty sure it was KE jet as well but can't remember. I do believe the series 3 with the updated 4 banger and six all got the 5 speed. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The 5 speed was used in the 140, the 124 still have a 4 speed ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in your costs are going to be pretty negligible over the range of 15 - 25 MPG, gas or diesel. I'd say drive the car that you LIKE. Allan OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Probably wise - but it seemed like it was time to re-evaluate. The 450SLC at 15MPG will cost an extra $1000 per year, so I only drive it on nice Sunday afternoons now. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For 12,000 miles per year, I think the differences in your costs are going to be pretty negligible over the range of 15 - 25 MPG, gas or diesel. I'd say drive the car that you LIKE. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. If everyone would start calling their congresslizards and Senatoreptiles and demanding that drilling restrictions be relaxed, that Anwar be opened for drilling and that we increase domestic power production by all means, then we might start to get somewhere. At 09:41 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the 300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
my 300E required premium, so keep that in mind with the M103. I keep all the gas tabs, but never worked out the cost. I'm a bit heavy footed, and mine gets more in town than highway driving, with lots of quick 0-90 kph bursts. I'd guess high teens, low 20s for mileage. Ed 300E On 16/04/2008, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the ever increasing costs of fuel, I feel the need to once again weigh the costs of operating the OM vs. the M cars. I'm currently addicted to the 124 chassis, so I'll limit the scope to the 300D 2.5 and the 300E. I don't know what the fuel usage of the 300E is, so I'll calculate back to what it would have to get to equal the cost of the Diesel engine. If the 300E uses less fuel, it's the better choice. If it uses more, the Diesel is the winner. Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. Since it's unlikely that fuel has reached it's all time high, I re-calculated based on $5.00/gal. Diesel and $4.00/gal. regular. the years fuel cost is then $2,069 for the 300D, and the 300E would have to get 23.2MPG. So - the question of the day is: how many MPG does a 124 300E get in real life - mixed city/highway driving??? Is there a significant difference in the fuel economy between the 103 and 104 engines in the 124 chassis? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Most diesels I see advertised here come at a premium, with something always referring to, will go a million miles. If true, most of the rest of the car will fall to bits long before a million miles, including the trans, head and everything hanging on the engine. Lots of gassers around for very little, in ready to drive condition. Cheaper to look and pay for a really good one too than an ok one that needs a little work. All things being equal, the difference in asking price between a diesel and gasser will pay for the fuel for a couple of years for the most gassers. From what I see around here anyway. Ed 300E On 16/04/2008, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the 300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
And the 190 2.3 uses regular as well. On 4/16/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier to service than the 104. The M104 is a hotrod, and as such, may be harder to keep your foot out of; therefore yielding effectively less economy when perhaps on paper it might be a little better. My next car will likely be a 104 though... At 10:00 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: I'm keeping the Diesel - the 300D 2.5 anyway. I'm seriously considering getting rid of the others and getting another 124. The question is whether to get another 300D 2.5, or a 300E. Unless the 300E gets 25 MPG or better, I think the Diesel wins again. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thinking Don! As near as I can tell, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in dollars. I'd say run your Diesel as long as you like and curse the fuel prices. The cost of selling your Diesel and buying a similarly decent gasser, then fixing it up ($1000 to 4000) will be higher than the cost savings of Diesel over gas or vice versa. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Having never driven a vergasser 124, I don't know. I do love the Diesels though - I think the 300E gets close to that (others would know better than me), BUT there is another factor to consider. Which one do you enjoy driving more. If the difference is negligible than is it really worth a few dollars a fill up to drive a car that you don't really like? Donald H. Snook 1997 Ford Explorer (For Sale) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Does it burn premium? I'll have to check the price of premium next time - didn't think of that possibility as I drove by today. Yes - the extra power will undoubtedly get used, along with the fuel to feed it. I like easy to work on, but I also like power On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier to service than the 104. The M104 is a hotrod, and as such, may be harder to keep your foot out of; therefore yielding effectively less economy when perhaps on paper it might be a little better. My next car will likely be a 104 though... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
I run 89 octane regular in 103 and 104, as well as the M180 with no ill effects, no ping. This fuel may not be available in the rest of the country. in the 70s it was galled gasohol. It is 90/10 gasoline to ethanol. We have had it available for 30+ years in Iowa. Burned it in my premium only R75/5 too, but usually mixed with some premium. An occasional tank of 87 octane regular in the cars doesn't seem to hurt. Keep in mind though, that the vast majority of my miles are in Diesels. Most states do not have this quality of fuel available on a regular basis, so YMMV. I think I heard at latest count there are about 30 different one state only gasolines required by 30 some states. At 10:08 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: And the 190 2.3 uses regular as well. On 4/16/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot one important detail - I assumed that the 103 and 104 in the 124 cars were meant to run on regular - true or false? Isn't the 380SL/SEL the last gasser to have run on regular? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
My 89 300TE averaged 17.81 MPG (USA) on california premium across 50,397 miles of driving, mostly city, still highway wasn't anything close to claims. claim is 17 (city),21 (highway) ,19 (mixed) 18.6 mpg when running on non-california gas for 21,374 miles, but more highway miles. This compares to my numbers (all 50K miles of recording) 24.2 MPG for 83 300TDtclaim is 22 (city),25 (highway) ,? (mixed) 25.9 MPG for 92 300TDt claim is 23 (city),27 (highway) ,25 (mixed) 16.6 MPG for 93 500SEL claim is 13 (city),17 (highway) ,15 (mixed) On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:02 PM, E M wrote: my 300E required premium, so keep that in mind with the M103. I keep all the gas tabs, but never worked out the cost. I'm a bit heavy footed, and mine gets more in town than highway driving, with lots of quick 0-90 kph bursts. I'd guess high teens, low 20s for mileage. Ed 300E John 1983 300TDt 388k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 220k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 208k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
18.6 mpg when running on non-california gas for 21,374 miles, but more highway miles. Could drive a 560 SL for that kind of mileage. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
Depends on which 104, early ones use KE jet, later use motronic and are more efficient. The 103 will go alright on regular but may lose a little mileage, whilst the 104 motronic will require premium. The 104 also use the better 5 speed transmission. Fuel usage between the 300E and 2.5D? Are you serious? The 300E sucks fuel in town but does alright cruising at moderate speeds. The OM603 is one of MB's most fuel efficient non CDI Diesel engines, when comparing the power output. There is a wrecked 300D on ebay at the moment, only problem is that they want 2.5K Oz beans and it is in Melbourne and it is a HK import. If it had memory seats I might get excited http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=130214879163ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=003 Hendrik Loren Faeth wrote: I have not driven the M104 92 E320 enough to be able to determine fuel economy. Daughter drives it and she never leaves town, so that is not a good measure. My guess there is negligible difference in economy between M103 and M104. The 103 is a good engine, and easier to service than the 104. The M104 is a hotrod, and as such, may be harder to keep your foot out of; therefore yielding effectively less economy when perhaps on paper it might be a little better. My next car will likely be a 104 though... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline
The 300E will never get close to those figures but is a more powerful car but the torque figures should not be too far apart. I live in hilly country so the extra power of the six is great but when I go to fill up it is tear time, especially now that the robbers are charging 1.50 arms per liter. I have never driven a 2.5 but would think for you average commute it would be the go vs the 300E which is a great highway cruiser. Hendrik who loaned the 300TE to his mum so he can fix her 190E Donald Snook wrote: Ok Don wrote: Based on my usual commute to work, I get 29 mpg in the 300D 2.5, and drive it 12,000 miles per year. At the current $3.94 for Diesel, my annual cost is $1,477. Regular is $3.24 at the same station today, so the 300E would have to get 23.8 MPG to equal the fuel cost of the Diesel car. I think the 300E gets close to that (others would know better than me), BUT there is another factor to consider. Which one do you enjoy driving more. If the difference is negligible than is it really worth a few dollars a fill up to drive a car that you don't really like? Donald H. Snook 1997 Ford Explorer (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
