Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So I should turn the idle adjust *after* depressing the throttle? Yes, otherwise you're trying, with fingers and plastic, to pull on a throttle mechanism that is sprung for foot pressure. It's hard to do, hard on the mechanism, and can result in stretched cables and broken-off knobs. The manual even says to push the pedal first. -- Jim Woah! That knob has some travel to it. I'm pretty sure that I got it to full open, or full counter clockwise, however you want to describe it. First time I've seen my car smoke too. Plume of blue smoke accompanied that discovery. On another note, even at full open, with it being 45 degress this morning while chilly isn't anywhere near winter level, car was very difficult to start. Had to crank a long time to get it to finally catch. Is that normal for this vintage of Diesel? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Sounds like you've got another problem. The knob you turned only increases the idle speed by pulling on the same linkage that the accelerator throttle moves, it does nothing to affect starting or air/fuel ratios, I believe. You may have an air leak allowing the injection pump to lose its prime, and/or you may have flaky injector or two, or some other problem. Does the manual priming pump leak fuel when you operate it? If yes, replace with new. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So I should turn the idle adjust *after* depressing the throttle? Yes, otherwise you're trying, with fingers and plastic, to pull on a throttle mechanism that is sprung for foot pressure. It's hard to do, hard on the mechanism, and can result in stretched cables and broken-off knobs. The manual even says to push the pedal first. -- Jim Woah! That knob has some travel to it. I'm pretty sure that I got it to full open, or full counter clockwise, however you want to describe it. First time I've seen my car smoke too. Plume of blue smoke accompanied that discovery. On another note, even at full open, with it being 45 degress this morning while chilly isn't anywhere near winter level, car was very difficult to start. Had to crank a long time to get it to finally catch. Is that normal for this vintage of Diesel? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
The idle knob is ONLY that - pulls/releases the same linkage that the accelerator operates - does nothing whatsoever to change air/fuel ratio any different than whatever the foot accelerator does - controls amt. of fuel to the engine. The idle knob merely holds some accelerator on/down; same as light foot pressure held on the accelerator. Again, you need to hold the accelerator down slightly when you turn the idle knob to facilitate ease of turning it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Sounds like you've got another problem. The knob you turned only increases the idle speed by pulling on the same linkage that the accelerator throttle moves, it does nothing to affect starting or air/fuel ratios, I believe. You may have an air leak allowing the injection pump to lose its prime, and/or you may have flaky injector or two, or some other problem. Does the manual priming pump leak fuel when you operate it? If yes, replace with new. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So I should turn the idle adjust *after* depressing the throttle? Yes, otherwise you're trying, with fingers and plastic, to pull on a throttle mechanism that is sprung for foot pressure. It's hard to do, hard on the mechanism, and can result in stretched cables and broken-off knobs. The manual even says to push the pedal first. -- Jim Woah! That knob has some travel to it. I'm pretty sure that I got it to full open, or full counter clockwise, however you want to describe it. First time I've seen my car smoke too. Plume of blue smoke accompanied that discovery. On another note, even at full open, with it being 45 degress this morning while chilly isn't anywhere near winter level, car was very difficult to start. Had to crank a long time to get it to finally catch. Is that normal for this vintage of Diesel? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: I would guess bad fuel supply? Have you replaced both your fuel filters? If you have black slime in the small filter (probably you can see it in the engine bay, little clear thing) you need some biocide posthaste. Try a marina or the internets... I have been worried about fuel, because the car apparently sat 12 months or more before I got hold of it. However, I've filled the tank twice now since I've owned it ... so if there was sludgey fuel in the tank, I'm afraid it's now been through the engine. Per Marshall, I always start the 300D with the accelerator halfway down. Yeah, that's how the owner's manual says to start the engine as well. Supposed to crank the manual choke counter clockwise, then go half throttle for start. Congrats on the purchase, you'll love it eventually. :) -Tim Eventually? I fell in love before money changed hands :) EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I think you need to fix that manual idle adjustment (chokes are for gassers, you're a Compression Ignition Man now!) Right, manual idle adjustment. No chokes on Diesel. as well as catch-up on things like valve adjustments, Italian tune-ups, check the timing chain stretch, fresh fuel filters/air filter, etc etc. Yeah, the mechanic I am using (Autohaus Dierolf for anyone familiar with Central Indiana) has told me I need what they call a Type 3 Service. Apparently I need a valve adjustment, valve cover gasket (it's leaking a bit) and some other assorted things that go along with it at next oil change. Rough idle at stop could be normal, could be injectors, could be idle speed, could be motor mounts, or combination of all the above. Yeah, apparently the motor mounts are bad too. Figure I'll get those done first, then the other service. -Max EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OOPS! that is correct! I floor the pedal then crank up the idle speed... Yeah, no tach in my 240D. So I should turn the idle adjust *after* depressing the throttle? I think I've been trying to move that thing before touching the throttle. I'll give that a try next time I start it and see how it helps. EdB BTW Thanks to all the help guys, appreciate it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Ed Booher wrote: Yeah, that's how the owner's manual says to start the engine as well. Supposed to crank the manual choke counter clockwise, then go half throttle for start. On the pre-1980 617, I turn the key on, hit the pedal, crank the knob full left, let go of the pedal, wait for the light to go out, count to ten, and start. 2-3 miles down the road, I spin the high idle knob back to the clockwise stop and leave it there for the rest of the day. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ed Booher wrote: Yeah, that's how the owner's manual says to start the engine as well. Supposed to crank the manual choke counter clockwise, then go half throttle for start. On the pre-1980 617, I turn the key on, hit the pedal, crank the knob full left, let go of the pedal, wait for the light to go out, count to ten, and start. 2-3 miles down the road, I spin the high idle knob back to the clockwise stop and leave it there for the rest of the day. Mitch. Rusty, I need a replacement idle adjustment key/knob. That should be something I can get right now, and that nub is hard to turn without they key. (Which I actually have, but is split down the side, and can not longer grip the cable nub underneath) EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
If you're gonna adjust the manual idle adjustment, hold the accelerator down a bit while doing it. It'll be a lot easier on you (hand/wrist, etc.) and the mechanical system you're trying to operate. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OOPS! that is correct! I floor the pedal then crank up the idle speed... Yeah, no tach in my 240D. So I should turn the idle adjust *after* depressing the throttle? I think I've been trying to move that thing before touching the throttle. I'll give that a try next time I start it and see how it helps. EdB BTW Thanks to all the help guys, appreciate it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
So I should turn the idle adjust *after* depressing the throttle? Yes, otherwise you're trying, with fingers and plastic, to pull on a throttle mechanism that is sprung for foot pressure. It's hard to do, hard on the mechanism, and can result in stretched cables and broken-off knobs. The manual even says to push the pedal first. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I am in Atlanta now with the 240D. Everything went perfect until I got to the hotel where we are staying for the ball game. I shut the car off and came back out after registering and the car was completely dead. Nothing was powering on. It turns out I missed tightning one nut. The one on the battery cable. It was about 1.1/2 from the battery. I stuck it on and the car started right up. I had to laugh. Steve On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Steve mguzzir...@gmail.com wrote: This was my first automatic transmission of any kind but it was easier to install than a manual. I pulled the tans and left the engine in place. I believe I could pull one out now in about 3 hours or less if I don't have to fight more than a couple of bolts. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C. Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:23 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Trans dead 3/16/2010 Back on the road 4/3/2010 Congratulations! Used a dent puller with a threaded bar bent in a 90 degree angle to pull out the old seal. I started the installation of the replacement trans at 11:00 this morning and had it installed by 3:30 pm. It went very well. Went out Wow! Had you done an MB transmission before? Did you pull engine at the same time? Inquiring mind wants to know... :) Happy Easter, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I have recently purchased a 240D (W123 1983) and have noticed that the car is very hard to get moving after sitting a long time, like first thing in the morning. I can get her started, and she'll idle, but as soon as I apply load (shift the transmission into gear) she pretty much dies. Now, the key for the manual choke broke off, and I've got the thing twisted as far as I believe I can counter clockwise. It's hard to move it to the left though, so not sure, turn clockwise far easier. However, after I get her convinced to move anymore than about 100 feet. She's fine. Stop at signs and lights under load and start back up again without any real problem. She idles real rough while at stop, in gear though. But she's my first diesel so I might just not be used to the engine characteristics. Any ideas? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Ed, I have recently purchased a 240D (W123 1983) and have noticed that the car Cool! is very hard to get moving after sitting a long time, like first thing in the morning. I can get her started, and she'll idle, but as soon as I apply load (shift the transmission into gear) she pretty much dies. Now, the key I would guess bad fuel supply? Have you replaced both your fuel filters? If you have black slime in the small filter (probably you can see it in the engine bay, little clear thing) you need some biocide posthaste. Try a marina or the internets... Failing that you might have an air leak in your fuel lines. Make sure the hand pump (driver's side of engine) is screwed down tightly, too. You might try wiping down the (probably cloth-covered) injection lines running between cylinders with a paper towel one night, then checking after you've gotten to work to see if they are oozing. Per Marshall, I always start the 300D with the accelerator halfway down. Good news is, my 300D started that way - worse, really, it stalled out on the interstate after the first trip to work - and now is running pretty well. :) Until last week I carried an extra 5gal of diesel in the trunk so I could run an emergency tank if it came to that... for the manual choke broke off, and I've got the thing twisted as far as I believe I can counter clockwise. It's hard to move it to the left though, so not sure, turn clockwise far easier. You can adjust the resting idle slightly, depending which accelerator linkage you have. On mine there is a nylon nut to the left of the IP link that can twist in or out. You probably don't need to go there yet but it might take out some roughness in the interim. However, after I get her convinced to move anymore than about 100 feet. She's fine. Stop at signs and lights under load and start back up again without any real problem. She idles real rough while at stop, in gear though. But she's my first diesel so I might just not be used to the engine characteristics. It's never going to be soft but it shouldn't sound discontinuous. ... Still strikes me as fuel but that's just what I've dealt with recently. Congrats on the purchase, you'll love it eventually. :) -Tim Any ideas? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I think you need to fix that manual idle adjustment (chokes are for gassers, you're a Compression Ignition Man now!) as well as catch-up on things like valve adjustments, Italian tune-ups, check the timing chain stretch, fresh fuel filters/air filter, etc etc. Rough idle at stop could be normal, could be injectors, could be idle speed, could be motor mounts, or combination of all the above. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue I have recently purchased a 240D (W123 1983) and have noticed that the car is very hard to get moving after sitting a long time, like first thing in the morning. I can get her started, and she'll idle, but as soon as I apply load (shift the transmission into gear) she pretty much dies. Now, the key for the manual choke broke off, and I've got the thing twisted as far as I believe I can counter clockwise. It's hard to move it to the left though, so not sure, turn clockwise far easier. However, after I get her convinced to move anymore than about 100 feet. She's fine. Stop at signs and lights under load and start back up again without any real problem. She idles real rough while at stop, in gear though. But she's my first diesel so I might just not be used to the engine characteristics. Any ideas? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I freaked to be honest. My son said just now I went no, no, no. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Yeah, DC doesn't jump too well. Did your heart skip a beat? -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: SteveB mguzzir...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:05:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue I am in Atlanta now with the 240D. Everything went perfect until I got to the hotel where we are staying for the ball game. I shut the car off and came back out after registering and the car was completely dead. Nothing was powering on. It turns out I missed tightning one nut. The one on the battery cable. It was about 1.1/2 from the battery. I stuck it on and the car started right up. I had to laugh. Steve On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Steve mguzzir...@gmail.com wrote: This was my first automatic transmission of any kind but it was easier to install than a manual. I pulled the tans and left the engine in place. I believe I could pull one out now in about 3 hours or less if I don't have to fight more than a couple of bolts. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C. Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:23 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Trans dead 3/16/2010 Back on the road 4/3/2010 Congratulations! Used a dent puller with a threaded bar bent in a 90 degree angle to pull out the old seal. I started the installation of the replacement trans at 11:00 this morning and had it installed by 3:30 pm. It went very well. Went out Wow! Had you done an MB transmission before? Did you pull engine at the same time? Inquiring mind wants to know... :) Happy Easter, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Sounds to me like your Idle speed is too slow. WHen ever you want to crank the idle speed adjustment up (CCW), your foot should be off the pedal so the little knob does not have to fight the return springs. THe starting habit should be: Sit in the seat, close the door, Floor the throttle (halfway will do), wind up the idle adjustment, turn the key to glow, fasten your seat belt, hit the starter. After it starts, let it run with a foot assisted high idle (1000 to 1200 PRM) for 20-30 seconds, then take your foot off and let it run on the idle stop. At this point, it may be ready to back off the idle speed adjustment. THen shift into gear and go. I believe you should adjust the idle speed higher. If your car has a tach, it should idle around 650 rpm or so. (none of my 4 cyls had a tach, so I always do it by ear.) I am not sure what the book says for idle speed, but it will be in the range of 650. There are two ways to adjust the idle speed. One is on the main linkage, there is a stop set screw. The other is with the idle speed adjustment. THe linkage stop should be set for about 650 with the engine warm in warm weather. THen, fix your idle adjustment and set it so that the end at the throttle linkage is snug, but does not pull the throttle off the idle stop (under the same warm engine conditions) THat is with the adjuster out all the way (CW) THen get in the car, rev the engine up to 1500-2000 rpm and crank the idle stop all the way. take your foot off the throttle. The engine should run at 1200 to 1500 RPM (very fast idle). Dial the idle speed adjuster back ccw until you get a good idle speed. In the mean time, until you get your adjuster fixed, set the idle speed stop so the engine runs a little faster, and consider letting the engine warm up a minute or so before you take off. that will help a lot with your condition. Happy Dieselling! I have recently purchased a 240D (W123 1983) and have noticed that the car is very hard to get moving after sitting a long time, like first thing in the morning. I can get her started, and she'll idle, but as soon as I apply load (shift the transmission into gear) she pretty much dies. Now, the key for the manual choke broke off, and I've got the thing twisted as far as I believe I can counter clockwise. It's hard to move it to the left though, so not sure, turn clockwise far easier. However, after I get her convinced to move anymore than about 100 feet. She's fine. Stop at signs and lights under load and start back up again without any real problem. She idles real rough while at stop, in gear though. But she's my first diesel so I might just not be used to the engine characteristics. Any ideas? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:24:19 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds to me like your Idle speed is too slow. WHen ever you want to crank the idle speed adjustment up (CCW), your foot should be off the pedal so the little knob does not have to fight the return springs. Actually, should be, your foot should be ON the pedal ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
OOPS! that is correct! I floor the pedal then crank up the idle speed... On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:24:19 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds to me like your Idle speed is too slow. WHen ever you want to crank the idle speed adjustment up (CCW), your foot should be off the pedal so the little knob does not have to fight the return springs. Actually, should be, your foot should be ON the pedal ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Update on my transmission installation. Trans dead 3/16/2010 Back on the road 4/3/2010 Used a dent puller with a threaded bar bent in a 90 degree angle to pull out the old seal. I started the installation of the replacement trans at 11:00 this morning and had it installed by 3:30 pm. It went very well. Went out and bought Mobil 1 synthetic paying $60.00 for fluid on a transmission that cost $150.00 plus the $100.00 shipping. Spilt about $5.00 worth of fluid on the ground trying to fill up the transmission. Test drove the car and it feels great. Shifts fine, no leaks so far. I may drive it to Atlanta (from Charlotte) and back on Monday when I take my son to opening day for the Braves. Thanks for everyone's input. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Trans dead 3/16/2010 Back on the road 4/3/2010 Congratulations! Used a dent puller with a threaded bar bent in a 90 degree angle to pull out the old seal. I started the installation of the replacement trans at 11:00 this morning and had it installed by 3:30 pm. It went very well. Went out Wow! Had you done an MB transmission before? Did you pull engine at the same time? Inquiring mind wants to know... :) Happy Easter, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
This was my first automatic transmission of any kind but it was easier to install than a manual. I pulled the tans and left the engine in place. I believe I could pull one out now in about 3 hours or less if I don't have to fight more than a couple of bolts. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C. Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:23 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Trans dead 3/16/2010 Back on the road 4/3/2010 Congratulations! Used a dent puller with a threaded bar bent in a 90 degree angle to pull out the old seal. I started the installation of the replacement trans at 11:00 this morning and had it installed by 3:30 pm. It went very well. Went out Wow! Had you done an MB transmission before? Did you pull engine at the same time? Inquiring mind wants to know... :) Happy Easter, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am getting ready to install the replacement transmission on my 240D. Anyone replace the torque converter seals on these that can offer any tips on getting the old one out? It looks fairly simple but would like any suggestions you may have. Once that is replaced I will reinstall the tranny. I plan to put in regular trans fluid to intitally start it up, run it for a couple of minutes or less and then drain the mixed old/new fluid and replace the filter and fluid with mobil synthetic. Steve On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: I'm not sure what the difference are, but if I had any choice I'd go for the 82-84 turbo tranny if I were putting it on a 82-84 turbo car. The turbo makes a lot more torque than the 240D, so probably has higher hydraulic pressure to the clutches and much firmer shifts. The 240D torque converter might have too little resistance for a turbo too. Oops, I'm forgetting that the subject car is a 240D. Turbo tranny might deliver harsh shifts, which may or may not be easily softened with vacuum modulator adjustment. Turbo TQ might have a low stall speed when pitted against a 240D's meager low end torque, which could hamper off the line acceleration. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve wrote: Does anyone know what the difference is from a 722 117 transmission from a 240D (1983) to a 722 118 out of a 300D? I have a opportunity to pick up the 722 118 for my 83, or I could get a 1984 transmission out of a 300D. I wonder if overall length may play a big part in this or gearing. I'm not sure what the difference are, but if I had any choice I'd go for the 82-84 turbo tranny if I were putting it on a 82-84 turbo car. The turbo makes a lot more torque than the 240D, so probably has higher hydraulic pressure to the clutches and much firmer shifts. The 240D torque converter might have too little resistance for a turbo too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Mitch Haley wrote: I'm not sure what the difference are, but if I had any choice I'd go for the 82-84 turbo tranny if I were putting it on a 82-84 turbo car. The turbo makes a lot more torque than the 240D, so probably has higher hydraulic pressure to the clutches and much firmer shifts. The 240D torque converter might have too little resistance for a turbo too. Oops, I'm forgetting that the subject car is a 240D. Turbo tranny might deliver harsh shifts, which may or may not be easily softened with vacuum modulator adjustment. Turbo TQ might have a low stall speed when pitted against a 240D's meager low end torque, which could hamper off the line acceleration. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Does anyone know what the difference is from a 722 117 transmission from a 240D (1983) to a 722 118 out of a 300D? I have a opportunity to pick up the 722 118 for my 83, or I could get a 1984 transmission out of a 300D. I wonder if overall length may play a big part in this or gearing. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
When you go to take the front pump out make sure that you have some way to hold the transmission on it's tail so the pump is up. That way there is a better chance of getting it out without the rest of the guts falling out or getting out of position in relation to each other. Then if it is the front pump and it can be fixed you can easily drop it back into place with the new gasket and seal etc. That said you may need a whole new unit there as the tight tolerances can be easily trashed making the pump non rebuildable. Actually now that I think about it if there is any damage to the front pump I would opt for a complete rebuilt transmission as there will probably be some tiny metal chips in the rest of the guts which will cause the valve body pistons to bind if they get in there. That is very likely as the next place for the oil to go from the front pump is to the valve body. Manfred Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:31:53 -0400 From: SteveB mguzzir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Interesting turn tonight on both my cars. I talked to Don Plowman, the previous owner of my 1987 300D. He replaced the engine and did the trap oxydizer recall on the car. It was his wife's daily driver. He is the senior mechanic for Hendricks Mercedes here in Charlotte. He has worked there for 32 years. We first talked about the turbo that blew on the '87, and then the 240D. After we got past the how much do you want for the car, we discussed the transmission issue. Tomorrow I am pulling the trans pump. It sound quite simple and it would explain what happened. with the car. I will follow up tomorrow. If I didn't get up at 4:10 every morning, I would be out there now working on it. The turbo will have to wait for the weekend as he has me looking for a relay issue. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Interesting turn tonight on both my cars. I talked to Don Plowman, the previous owner of my 1987 300D. He replaced the engine and did the trap oxydizer recall on the car. It was his wife's daily driver. He is the senior mechanic for Hendricks Mercedes here in Charlotte. He has worked there for 32 years. We first talked about the turbo that blew on the '87, and then the 240D. After we got past the how much do you want for the car, we discussed the transmission issue. Tomorrow I am pulling the trans pump. It sound quite simple and it would explain what happened. with the car. I will follow up tomorrow. If I didn't get up at 4:10 every morning, I would be out there now working on it. The turbo will have to wait for the weekend as he has me looking for a relay issue. Steve On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: if you shake it you will hear the insides moving around, but i dont think I would call it a rattle. Steve wrote: I drained the fluid myself. The torque converter has a lot of play in it, rattling when I shake it. I assume it should not be like this? I have no experience with automatic transmissions so I don't know what to expect. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com ] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Steve wrote: OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? Did you drain the fluid, or did it empty itself somehow? I take it there's no visible damage to the TQ? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/22/10 02:33:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
If it has the plug, is it between the TQ and engine or between the TQ and transmission? Steve On Mar 21, 2010 7:06pm, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: some of them will have a plastic or metal plug in the bell housing that holds it in, just remove that. Otherwise, it should slip right off, tip the back of the tranny up and the converter should slip right off the shaft. Steve wrote: It's on the transmission. I HOPE it's bits of twisted metal inside the torque converter. If so, is there a trick to getting it off without causing further damage to the transmission or just give it the old pull and wiggle? Does gentle even prying ever come into play? Steve - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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its just a plastic plug that screws into the side of the bell housing from the outside and sticks out far enough on the side of the bell housing to prevent the converter from falling off the shaft. mguzzir...@gmail.com wrote: If it has the plug, is it between the TQ and engine or between the TQ and transmission? Steve On Mar 21, 2010 7:06pm, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: some of them will have a plastic or metal plug in the bell housing that holds it in, just remove that. Otherwise, it should slip right off, tip the back of the tranny up and the converter should slip right off the shaft. Steve wrote: It's on the transmission. I HOPE it's bits of twisted metal inside the torque converter. If so, is there a trick to getting it off without causing further damage to the transmission or just give it the old pull and wiggle? Does gentle even prying ever come into play? Steve - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
It's usually on the drivers side of the transmission bellhousing between the converter and the engine flange. Like a screw with a finger on the inside that keeps the torque converter from falling out if the transmission is tipped forward. I think it's a quarter or half turn CCW and then it pulls out. Manfred Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:47:41 + From: mguzzir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue If it has the plug, is it between the TQ and engine or between the TQ and transmission? Steve On Mar 21, 2010 7:06pm, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: some of them will have a plastic or metal plug in the bell housing that holds it in, just remove that. Otherwise, it should slip right off, tip the back of the tranny up and the converter should slip right off the shaft. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue It's usually on the drivers side of the transmission bellhousing between the converter and the engine flange. Like a screw with a finger on the inside that keeps the torque converter from falling out if the transmission is tipped forward. I think it's a quarter or half turn CCW and then it pulls out. Manfred Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:47:41 + From: mguzzir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue If it has the plug, is it between the TQ and engine or between the TQ and transmission? Steve On Mar 21, 2010 7:06pm, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: some of them will have a plastic or metal plug in the bell housing that holds it in, just remove that. Otherwise, it should slip right off, tip the back of the tranny up and the converter should slip right off the shaft. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Steve wrote: OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? No. Hydraulic pressure is required. Without it, the bands and clutches don't engage and so the output shaft doesn't turn. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
COOL! Should the torque converter rattle inside? Or how do I test a torque converter? Steve To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Steve wrote: OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? No. Hydraulic pressure is required. Without it, the bands and clutches don't engage and so the output shaft doesn't turn. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Steve wrote: OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? Did you drain the fluid, or did it empty itself somehow? I take it there's no visible damage to the TQ? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve wrote: COOL! Should the torque converter rattle inside? Or how do I test a torque converter? Yes, it can rattle some. The transmission input shaft holds the internal parts in alignment. So some rattle is okay. More rattle than the good amount of rattle is bad. *grin* There is no good way to test a torque converter or auto transmission except on a car - or a test stand. And a test stand is pretty much a car without the drivers seat and a test load rather than drive wheels. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Maybe, but nothing you can tell with _that_ test! AT's are built with planetary gears, you have to apply the brakes to _something_ inside or it all just freewheels. And that requires hydraulic pressure. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I drained the fluid myself. The torque converter has a lot of play in it, rattling when I shake it. I assume it should not be like this? I have no experience with automatic transmissions so I don't know what to expect. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Steve wrote: OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? Did you drain the fluid, or did it empty itself somehow? I take it there's no visible damage to the TQ? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
If it rattles when you shake it, it will also rattle (horribly) when the engine is turning. Take it to a transmission place and see what they think, but I don't remember every having one rattle that was any good. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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if you shake it you will hear the insides moving around, but i dont think I would call it a rattle. Steve wrote: I drained the fluid myself. The torque converter has a lot of play in it, rattling when I shake it. I assume it should not be like this? I have no experience with automatic transmissions so I don't know what to expect. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Steve wrote: OK I got the torque converter off. Is the transmission like a manual that if I turn one end, and it's in gear, the other end will turn? There is no fluid left in the tranny and I turn the driveshaft end the other end does not move. Bad transmission or maybe not? Did you drain the fluid, or did it empty itself somehow? I take it there's no visible damage to the TQ? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/22/10 02:33:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
OK I pulled the tranny out today. How do I remove the torque converter? Steve On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh. OK. That would be the front pump drive. I didn't think they would break that easy though I guess the pump ring itself can fracture. I haven't had much experience in rebuilding the actual units or front pumps, just the simpler IOs of units and seal replacements. Manfred Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:14:50 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 240D Transmission issue I think you are speaking of the splines on the shaft inside the torque converters neck rather then the ears that hold the converter to the flywheel. Neither. I am very familiar with sheared stator splines, which is what prompted the 450SL's tranny swap. The _drive_ ears on the TC are concentric with the stator splines, it's like a big notched screwdriver blade, or a two-toothed spline, surrounding the stator shaft. Sheared stator splines, btw, result in bad off-the-line torque, and a whining sound when stopped. Dirt-simple test: lock the brakes and stand on the gas, noting the RPM. If the stator isn't, umm, static the RPM will be substantially lower than it ought. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I take it then that you didn't remove the TC with the tranny? If the TC is still attached to the engine, you need to remove the cover plate (if it's still there) at the bottom of the engine side of the plate that the transmission bolts to. Once the hole is open to the engine side of the flywheel/flex disk, rotate the crank till you see a pair of bolts. These go hold the TC to flywheel/flexdisk. There will probably be three sets of two bolts (I haven't done this on a 240D, 123 - so am guessing from older and newer cars). Remove all of these bolts, and the TC is free to fall/pull off. THere is a centering post that goes into a hole in the crankshaft, that might be rusty, making it more effort to get the TC off. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:27 PM, SteveB mguzzir...@gmail.com wrote: OK I pulled the tranny out today. How do I remove the torque converter? Steve -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: I take it then that you didn't remove the TC with the tranny? If he did, he can reach into the bellhousing, grab the TQ, and pull. Should come out pretty easy, unless it's got twisted metal bits on the part of the TQ that slides into the front of the tranny. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
It's on the transmission. I HOPE it's bits of twisted metal inside the torque converter. If so, is there a trick to getting it off without causing further damage to the transmission or just give it the old pull and wiggle? Does gentle even prying ever come into play? Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue OK Don wrote: I take it then that you didn't remove the TC with the tranny? If he did, he can reach into the bellhousing, grab the TQ, and pull. Should come out pretty easy, unless it's got twisted metal bits on the part of the TQ that slides into the front of the tranny. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
you pulled the converter with the tranny, right? If not, then you need to unbolt the 6 bolts from the flywheel. You are supposed to unbolt them, then remove the converter with the tranny. SteveB wrote: OK I pulled the tranny out today. How do I remove the torque converter? Steve On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh. OK. That would be the front pump drive. I didn't think they would break that easy though I guess the pump ring itself can fracture. I haven't had much experience in rebuilding the actual units or front pumps, just the simpler IOs of units and seal replacements. Manfred Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:14:50 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 240D Transmission issue I think you are speaking of the splines on the shaft inside the torque converters neck rather then the ears that hold the converter to the flywheel. Neither. I am very familiar with sheared stator splines, which is what prompted the 450SL's tranny swap. The _drive_ ears on the TC are concentric with the stator splines, it's like a big notched screwdriver blade, or a two-toothed spline, surrounding the stator shaft. Sheared stator splines, btw, result in bad off-the-line torque, and a whining sound when stopped. Dirt-simple test: lock the brakes and stand on the gas, noting the RPM. If the stator isn't, umm, static the RPM will be substantially lower than it ought. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 02:33:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
some of them will have a plastic or metal plug in the bell housing that holds it in, just remove that. Otherwise, it should slip right off, tip the back of the tranny up and the converter should slip right off the shaft. Steve wrote: It's on the transmission. I HOPE it's bits of twisted metal inside the torque converter. If so, is there a trick to getting it off without causing further damage to the transmission or just give it the old pull and wiggle? Does gentle even prying ever come into play? Steve - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Good -- yes, it should just slide off with wiggling or gentle, even prying. I've never edealt with a damagede one, so can't advise if it doesn't come off nicely. I would suspect, at the very least, that the front seal will be damaged. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Steve mguzzir...@gmail.com wrote: It's on the transmission. I HOPE it's bits of twisted metal inside the torque converter. If so, is there a trick to getting it off without causing further damage to the transmission or just give it the old pull and wiggle? Does gentle even prying ever come into play? Steve -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Well I sold my SL yesterday, and put the 240D into the garage, so I will drop it tonight. I can't find any information on the transmission in my electronic Benz manual, so if anyone knows the .pdf document name, I could use it. 3 Thanks, Steve On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The transmission look quite straightforward to RR. How difficult is itto line up the trans when installing? Typical or easy or difficult? No different really than the Camaro tranny RR's, or the 450SL tranny RR. That is, a big PITA, but do-able. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I think you are speaking of the splines on the shaft inside the torque converters neck rather then the ears that hold the converter to the flywheel. These are the ones you screw the 6 bolts into from the front. Most of the older American cars that I am more familiar with use only three or four bolts so sometimes if they work loose they have been known to break. Given the strength of the ears and the welding I would tend to doubt that they will break off, though I do seem to remember seeing one ear (of three) many years ago that was broken off. The splines on the shaft though is certainly another place that could cause the problem. Manfred Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:56:07 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 240D Transmission issue If the torque converter ears sheared off you would hear the ears rubbing against the converter as the engine spins. I've heard that before when bolts have sheared and the flex disk rubs against the converter ears, you can't miss it makes a heck of a racket. The band idea or possibly a valvebody problem sound more likely. The 190D wouldn't move when I got it, except sometimes. I think I found that the drive ear was broken off in there when I pulled it out. I forget if it was the TC or the tranny end that was broken. I didn't notice any particular noises. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Oh. OK. That would be the front pump drive. I didn't think they would break that easy though I guess the pump ring itself can fracture. I haven't had much experience in rebuilding the actual units or front pumps, just the simpler IOs of units and seal replacements. Manfred Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:14:50 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 240D Transmission issue I think you are speaking of the splines on the shaft inside the torque converters neck rather then the ears that hold the converter to the flywheel. Neither. I am very familiar with sheared stator splines, which is what prompted the 450SL's tranny swap. The _drive_ ears on the TC are concentric with the stator splines, it's like a big notched screwdriver blade, or a two-toothed spline, surrounding the stator shaft. Sheared stator splines, btw, result in bad off-the-line torque, and a whining sound when stopped. Dirt-simple test: lock the brakes and stand on the gas, noting the RPM. If the stator isn't, umm, static the RPM will be substantially lower than it ought. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I have rebuilt torque converters for $275.00 plus a $100.00 core Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Yes, RR the torque converter. It seems off this would happen though. Have someone work the level while you watch the linkage - that's where I'd start. Those ears are pretty robust. But if that's it you may be able to find a rebuilt TC. I bought one for a 69 280SE (W108) 30 years ago from a place in Tn. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Steve mguzzir...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:26 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Zero drive no matter what I do. So if it's the drive ears, is it rR the torque converter? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue The lever went into park and won't come back out, or you get zero drive no matter where the lever is placed? If the latter, may have sheared the drive ears off the torque converter. Not good. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Rusty Cullens wrote: I have rebuilt torque converters for $275.00 plus a $100.00 core Does the core return have to have good drive ears on it? For Steve: Whoever is pulling the tranny should check to make sure the linkage didn't fall off or a band adjustment screw come loose. The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened and presumably lost drive makes me lean towards a broken band or broken drive ears on the TQ. IIRC, you need the B1 band to go in first or reverse, and don't need the B2 band to go in reverse, so a B2 failure would not cause all drive to fail, you could still back up if you shattered your B2 piston or broke your B2 band. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Yes, it does have to be rebuildable for credit. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Rusty Cullens wrote: I have rebuilt torque converters for $275.00 plus a $100.00 core Does the core return have to have good drive ears on it? For Steve: Whoever is pulling the tranny should check to make sure the linkage didn't fall off or a band adjustment screw come loose. The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened and presumably lost drive makes me lean towards a broken band or broken drive ears on the TQ. IIRC, you need the B1 band to go in first or reverse, and don't need the B2 band to go in reverse, so a B2 failure would not cause all drive to fail, you could still back up if you shattered your B2 piston or broke your B2 band. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Jim Cathey wrote: The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... Right, and if he stuck it in drive, got a bang, then nothing, I'm thinking the linkage is not likely to be the problem. (one way to check would be to shift it in and out of park and see if the shift lever works the parking pawl) What do you think of my sheared the TQ ears or broke a brake band ideas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
It was bang and then nothing. The linkage is moving the arm on the transmission. I called yesterday at 4:30 Rusty. No answer. You part time now? :) Steve On Mar 17, 2010 10:37am, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... Right, and if he stuck it in drive, got a bang, then nothing, I'm thinking the linkage is not likely to be the problem. (one way to check would be to shift it in and out of park and see if the shift lever works the parking pawl) What do you think of my sheared the TQ ears or broke a brake band ideas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
No, I had a sick wife at home and left early. Tom was probably on the phone. Try again now, we are both here. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: mguzzir...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue It was bang and then nothing. The linkage is moving the arm on the transmission. I called yesterday at 4:30 Rusty. No answer. You part time now? :) Steve On Mar 17, 2010 10:37am, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... Right, and if he stuck it in drive, got a bang, then nothing, I'm thinking the linkage is not likely to be the problem. (one way to check would be to shift it in and out of park and see if the shift lever works the parking pawl) What do you think of my sheared the TQ ears or broke a brake band ideas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
The transmission look quite straightforward to RR. How difficult is itto line up the trans when installing? Typical or easy or difficult? Steve On Mar 17, 2010 10:37am, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... Right, and if he stuck it in drive, got a bang, then nothing, I'm thinking the linkage is not likely to be the problem. (one way to check would be to shift it in and out of park and see if the shift lever works the parking pawl) What do you think of my sheared the TQ ears or broke a brake band ideas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
I will pull it and then see what I have to do. Hope your wife is feeling better. Steve -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:17 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue No, I had a sick wife at home and left early. Tom was probably on the phone. Try again now, we are both here. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: mguzzir...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue It was bang and then nothing. The linkage is moving the arm on the transmission. I called yesterday at 4:30 Rusty. No answer. You part time now? :) Steve On Mar 17, 2010 10:37am, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... Right, and if he stuck it in drive, got a bang, then nothing, I'm thinking the linkage is not likely to be the problem. (one way to check would be to shift it in and out of park and see if the shift lever works the parking pawl) What do you think of my sheared the TQ ears or broke a brake band ideas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Steve wrote: I will pull it and then see what I have to do. Hope your wife is feeling better. What's faster on a 240D, pulling the tranny, or pulling the engine with tranny attached? At least you'll have fewer wires to deal with than OK Don's 190D. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
The transmission look quite straightforward to RR. How difficult is itto line up the trans when installing? Typical or easy or difficult? No different really than the Camaro tranny RR's, or the 450SL tranny RR. That is, a big PITA, but do-able. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
If the torque converter ears sheared off you would hear the ears rubbing against the converter as the engine spins. I've heard that before when bolts have sheared and the flex disk rubs against the converter ears, you can't miss it makes a heck of a racket. The band idea or possibly a valvebody problem sound more likely. Manfred Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:37:14 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Jim Cathey wrote: The suddenness and the fact that you were in drive when it happened I thought it was that he put it in neutral and then back into drive with the throttle on. BANG! Then no go... Right, and if he stuck it in drive, got a bang, then nothing, I'm thinking the linkage is not likely to be the problem. (one way to check would be to shift it in and out of park and see if the shift lever works the parking pawl) What do you think of my sheared the TQ ears or broke a brake band ideas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
The lever went into park and won't come back out, or you get zero drive no matter where the lever is placed? If the latter, may have sheared the drive ears off the torque converter. Not good. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Zero drive no matter what I do. So if it's the drive ears, is it rR the torque converter? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue The lever went into park and won't come back out, or you get zero drive no matter where the lever is placed? If the latter, may have sheared the drive ears off the torque converter. Not good. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Yes, RR the torque converter. It seems off this would happen though. Have someone work the level while you watch the linkage - that's where I'd start. Those ears are pretty robust. But if that's it you may be able to find a rebuilt TC. I bought one for a 69 280SE (W108) 30 years ago from a place in Tn. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Steve mguzzir...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:26 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Zero drive no matter what I do. So if it's the drive ears, is it rR the torque converter? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue The lever went into park and won't come back out, or you get zero drive no matter where the lever is placed? If the latter, may have sheared the drive ears off the torque converter. Not good. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue
Looks like the trans comes out this weekend. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Yes, RR the torque converter. It seems off this would happen though. Have someone work the level while you watch the linkage - that's where I'd start. Those ears are pretty robust. But if that's it you may be able to find a rebuilt TC. I bought one for a 69 280SE (W108) 30 years ago from a place in Tn. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Steve mguzzir...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:26 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue Zero drive no matter what I do. So if it's the drive ears, is it rR the torque converter? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Transmission issue The lever went into park and won't come back out, or you get zero drive no matter where the lever is placed? If the latter, may have sheared the drive ears off the torque converter. Not good. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
