Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
On 09/07/2012 5:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I have no tolerance for Lexus:) Never will. Toyota as a company irks me. My three most hated cars: 1. Lexus (all models) 2. Prius 3. Camry I have to say I am more or less neutral on Lexus. Don't want one. Don't really care one way ot t'oher. I think what irks me about Prius and Camry is the people who tend to buy them. They are smug and convinced they did the right thing because of what something like Consumer Reports told them. Especially with the Camry. Boring but solid is what they seek. At one time it might have been reasonably true but recent events have shaken that a bit haven't they? I have almost run over a Prius or two as the driver's are so intent upon not having the engine kick in that they will drive them at 2 mph. More on the Prius. I never wanted one but I am becoming more interested. I have some clients who drive taxicabs. They use Prius and say the cars are bullet proof. I am told that they put high mileage on them and they literally need nothing. Combine that with pretty good acceleration and mileage and they would no doubt make a good city car. I don't think I want to do long highway trips on one but from home to my office is maybe a mile and a half or two and it would be fine for that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
Couldn't you lump Honda Civics in with the Camrys? They are just as endemic... Dan On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/07/2012 5:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I have no tolerance for Lexus:) Never will. Toyota as a company irks me. My three most hated cars: 1. Lexus (all models) 2. Prius 3. Camry I have to say I am more or less neutral on Lexus. Don't want one. Don't really care one way ot t'oher. I think what irks me about Prius and Camry is the people who tend to buy them. They are smug and convinced they did the right thing because of what something like Consumer Reports told them. Especially with the Camry. Boring but solid is what they seek. At one time it might have been reasonably true but recent events have shaken that a bit haven't they? I have almost run over a Prius or two as the driver's are so intent upon not having the engine kick in that they will drive them at 2 mph. More on the Prius. I never wanted one but I am becoming more interested. I have some clients who drive taxicabs. They use Prius and say the cars are bullet proof. I am told that they put high mileage on them and they literally need nothing. Combine that with pretty good acceleration and mileage and they would no doubt make a good city car. I don't think I want to do long highway trips on one but from home to my office is maybe a mile and a half or two and it would be fine for that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
I'm not a fan of any Japanese or Korean cars but Toyota takes the cake. After their recent safety issues and subsequent attempted denial and cover-up of these issues I'm really turned off. The whole Lexus copycating MB and BMW styling and then surpassing MB in sales really angers me. Honda generally does their own thing and makes a generally more attractive car. Not much antipathy towards Honda. Hyundai, however has downright blatantly stolen BMW and Mercedes styling cues with the Genesis. Front looks like a Benz, rear looks like a BMW. Why don't those losers get some creativity and stop stealing other marques' designs with the intention of competing in the same market segment? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Couldn't you lump Honda Civics in with the Camrys? They are just as endemic... Dan On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/07/2012 5:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I have no tolerance for Lexus:) Never will. Toyota as a company irks me. My three most hated cars: 1. Lexus (all models) 2. Prius 3. Camry I have to say I am more or less neutral on Lexus. Don't want one. Don't really care one way ot t'oher. I think what irks me about Prius and Camry is the people who tend to buy them. They are smug and convinced they did the right thing because of what something like Consumer Reports told them. Especially with the Camry. Boring but solid is what they seek. At one time it might have been reasonably true but recent events have shaken that a bit haven't they? I have almost run over a Prius or two as the driver's are so intent upon not having the engine kick in that they will drive them at 2 mph. More on the Prius. I never wanted one but I am becoming more interested. I have some clients who drive taxicabs. They use Prius and say the cars are bullet proof. I am told that they put high mileage on them and they literally need nothing. Combine that with pretty good acceleration and mileage and they would no doubt make a good city car. I don't think I want to do long highway trips on one but from home to my office is maybe a mile and a half or two and it would be fine for that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
Points well taken, but if I understand correctly (and if I don't I am sure someone will take me to task) hasn't Hyundai done rather well in the owner satisfaction category? Dan On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not a fan of any Japanese or Korean cars but Toyota takes the cake. After their recent safety issues and subsequent attempted denial and cover-up of these issues I'm really turned off. The whole Lexus copycating MB and BMW styling and then surpassing MB in sales really angers me. Honda generally does their own thing and makes a generally more attractive car. Not much antipathy towards Honda. Hyundai, however has downright blatantly stolen BMW and Mercedes styling cues with the Genesis. Front looks like a Benz, rear looks like a BMW. Why don't those losers get some creativity and stop stealing other marques' designs with the intention of competing in the same market segment? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Couldn't you lump Honda Civics in with the Camrys? They are just as endemic... Dan On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/07/2012 5:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I have no tolerance for Lexus:) Never will. Toyota as a company irks me. My three most hated cars: 1. Lexus (all models) 2. Prius 3. Camry I have to say I am more or less neutral on Lexus. Don't want one. Don't really care one way ot t'oher. I think what irks me about Prius and Camry is the people who tend to buy them. They are smug and convinced they did the right thing because of what something like Consumer Reports told them. Especially with the Camry. Boring but solid is what they seek. At one time it might have been reasonably true but recent events have shaken that a bit haven't they? I have almost run over a Prius or two as the driver's are so intent upon not having the engine kick in that they will drive them at 2 mph. More on the Prius. I never wanted one but I am becoming more interested. I have some clients who drive taxicabs. They use Prius and say the cars are bullet proof. I am told that they put high mileage on them and they literally need nothing. Combine that with pretty good acceleration and mileage and they would no doubt make a good city car. I don't think I want to do long highway trips on one but from home to my office is maybe a mile and a half or two and it would be fine for that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. On 7/9/12, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So this morning mama rings me a 4:26AM (don't ask) and in fumbling for the phone I did not get the call. Try to call her like 6 times, then a voice mail pops up, she says the car is dead, was smoking bad, would not start again after stopping. Anyway I finally reach her, she has called AAA to get a free tow back to the house, says some guy (at 4:30AM...) saw a puddle of oil under the car. Ohsh*t. So anyway after awhile a flat bed arrives with her and the car, she goes on her way. I checked the oil, it was fine. Car then started right up and ran OK. h. So then I check coolant and it is completely dry. Ohsh*t. I filled it back up and see it leaking out the front of the engine, I guess it is coming from the water pump which must have munched. Looks like the water pump is in some sort of aluminum housing with a little banjo bolt/line coming out of it then going to the block just above. Anyone know what all that is about? I am figuring the car did overheat and the smoke was steam blowing out, but maybe she was lucky and caught it (or by circumstances was caught) before the engine got damaged. Given it started and ran fine, I am hoping --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
On 09/07/2012 11:05 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning mama rings me a 4:26AM (don't ask) and in fumbling for the phone I did not get the call. Try to call her like 6 times, then a voice mail pops up, she says the car is dead, was smoking bad, would not start again after stopping. Anyway I finally reach her, she has called AAA to get a free tow back to the house, says some guy (at 4:30AM...) saw a puddle of oil under the car. Ohsh*t. So anyway after awhile a flat bed arrives with her and the car, she goes on her way. I checked the oil, it was fine. Car then started right up and ran OK. h. So then I check coolant and it is completely dry. Ohsh*t. I filled it back up and see it leaking out the front of the engine, I guess it is coming from the water pump which must have munched. Looks like the water pump is in some sort of aluminum housing with a little banjo bolt/line coming out of it then going to the block just above. Anyone know what all that is about? I am figuring the car did overheat and the smoke was steam blowing out, but maybe she was lucky and caught it (or by circumstances was caught) before the engine got damaged. Given it started and ran fine, I am hoping --R ___ OT response but it could maybe be worse. We have an old 4Runner with the 3.0 V6 and they have a history of head gasket failures. Toyota would provide a new engine for quite a number of years if it was damaged beyond repair but I don't think they will do that now for a 1995.. In any event, ours started to leak bad back in April or May and we parked it. My younger son normally uses it as a winter vehicle and he was about to switch to his summer car in any event so it was not a huge issue at the time. However, we want it running for the coming winter so he has started to work on it. Being a wise mechanic he wanted to know what was leaking before tearing into it. Saturday morning he checked it out. Brought home a boroscope from the shop trying to have a look at some suspect hoses etc. Then pressurized the system. Fluid started to leak out between the head and the block in a nice spray pattern. So, it will have to be torn down. Hope the block is OK. Apparently some etch to the point of not being repairable. If we need much more than gaskets it may not be worth fixing. It is a 1995 with about 150K miles on it but was quite rusty before he welded it up. So, it is sound but not real pretty and as such not worth a whole lot. If the block looks salvagable, we will need a timing belt and maybe the idlers, a water pump and a knock sensor plus the gaskets and to have the rad repaired or replaced as it leaks a bit too. Up to about $1K in parts may be OK but not much beyond I should think. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
On 09/07/2012 11:13 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. One would think it should be possible to rig up some form of warning device that would give an indication long before the engine quits or one notices the gauge etc. Inboard outboard boats have an audible warning if they begin to overheat. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
I was thinking about that when she told me she did not see a red warning light. I should try to rig something up, just a little temp sensor and a buzzer/light or something. --R On 7/9/12 12:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 09/07/2012 11:13 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. One would think it should be possible to rig up some form of warning device that would give an indication long before the engine quits or one notices the gauge etc. Inboard outboard boats have an audible warning if they begin to overheat. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OM617, right? Maybe Andrew still has one? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
The problem with the typical temperature sensor is that when it is in free air, it doesn't work. It had to be in contact with the liquid to be measured. Case in point: When I was at Kohler we started using Ford industrial engines on our small (100kW) gas units. Unfortunately, some of the units like to develop cooling system leaks during operation, which would cause the system to drain down far enough that the engine would overheat and seize up. Not good. These had high water temperature senders that would shut the unit down if it overheated, which in this situation, did not happen. The engines would come back to us visibly failed farm overheating, so bad that paint would be burned off the sides in some instances. Long story short, when we discovered the leaking cooling systems, we ended up putting a float switch in the top tank of the radiator, which would also shut down the engine. Our overheating failures dropped significantly after doing this. There are now electronic senders that work off of temperature differentials that provide the same signal. If someone was enterprising enough, they could install one if these in their radiator and use it to light a light. Dan On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I was thinking about that when she told me she did not see a red warning light. I should try to rig something up, just a little temp sensor and a buzzer/light or something. --R On 7/9/12 12:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 09/07/2012 11:13 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. One would think it should be possible to rig up some form of warning device that would give an indication long before the engine quits or one notices the gauge etc. Inboard outboard boats have an audible warning if they begin to overheat. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
How about some form of water pressure sensor? One would think that when the level drops, the pump would not be putting out full pressure due to air/cavitation etc? Or a temperature sensor located lower on the block? If fluid is not moving well, one would think the temperature would rise? Randy On 09/07/2012 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The problem with the typical temperature sensor is that when it is in free air, it doesn't work. It had to be in contact with the liquid to be measured. Case in point: When I was at Kohler we started using Ford industrial engines on our small (100kW) gas units. Unfortunately, some of the units like to develop cooling system leaks during operation, which would cause the system to drain down far enough that the engine would overheat and seize up. Not good. These had high water temperature senders that would shut the unit down if it overheated, which in this situation, did not happen. The engines would come back to us visibly failed farm overheating, so bad that paint would be burned off the sides in some instances. Long story short, when we discovered the leaking cooling systems, we ended up putting a float switch in the top tank of the radiator, which would also shut down the engine. Our overheating failures dropped significantly after doing this. There are now electronic senders that work off of temperature differentials that provide the same signal. If someone was enterprising enough, they could install one if these in their radiator and use it to light a light. Dan On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I was thinking about that when she told me she did not see a red warning light. I should try to rig something up, just a little temp sensor and a buzzer/light or something. --R On 7/9/12 12:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 09/07/2012 11:13 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. One would think it should be possible to rig up some form of warning device that would give an indication long before the engine quits or one notices the gauge etc. Inboard outboard boats have an audible warning if they begin to overheat. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
Good thinking, but wouldn't you have pressure even in the instance of low coolant level? Dan On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about some form of water pressure sensor? One would think that when the level drops, the pump would not be putting out full pressure due to air/cavitation etc? Or a temperature sensor located lower on the block? If fluid is not moving well, one would think the temperature would rise? Randy On 09/07/2012 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The problem with the typical temperature sensor is that when it is in free air, it doesn't work. It had to be in contact with the liquid to be measured. Case in point: When I was at Kohler we started using Ford industrial engines on our small (100kW) gas units. Unfortunately, some of the units like to develop cooling system leaks during operation, which would cause the system to drain down far enough that the engine would overheat and seize up. Not good. These had high water temperature senders that would shut the unit down if it overheated, which in this situation, did not happen. The engines would come back to us visibly failed farm overheating, so bad that paint would be burned off the sides in some instances. Long story short, when we discovered the leaking cooling systems, we ended up putting a float switch in the top tank of the radiator, which would also shut down the engine. Our overheating failures dropped significantly after doing this. There are now electronic senders that work off of temperature differentials that provide the same signal. If someone was enterprising enough, they could install one if these in their radiator and use it to light a light. Dan On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I was thinking about that when she told me she did not see a red warning light. I should try to rig something up, just a little temp sensor and a buzzer/light or something. --R On 7/9/12 12:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 09/07/2012 11:13 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. One would think it should be possible to rig up some form of warning device that would give an indication long before the engine quits or one notices the gauge etc. Inboard outboard boats have an audible warning if they begin to overheat. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
OK the good news is that mama smelled something when she shut the car off, then saw the smoke so I figure it had not yet drained completely and was still cooling some so no damage. One hopes. On the temp sensor, would not it be best to put some sort of contact thermothingie on the head somewhere to monitor temps and when it gets over whatever temp to set off an alarm? In any case, a new water pump should be on the way. --R On 7/9/12 3:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Good thinking, but wouldn't you have pressure even in the instance of low coolant level? Dan On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about some form of water pressure sensor? One would think that when the level drops, the pump would not be putting out full pressure due to air/cavitation etc? Or a temperature sensor located lower on the block? If fluid is not moving well, one would think the temperature would rise? Randy On 09/07/2012 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The problem with the typical temperature sensor is that when it is in free air, it doesn't work. It had to be in contact with the liquid to be measured. Case in point: When I was at Kohler we started using Ford industrial engines on our small (100kW) gas units. Unfortunately, some of the units like to develop cooling system leaks during operation, which would cause the system to drain down far enough that the engine would overheat and seize up. Not good. These had high water temperature senders that would shut the unit down if it overheated, which in this situation, did not happen. The engines would come back to us visibly failed farm overheating, so bad that paint would be burned off the sides in some instances. Long story short, when we discovered the leaking cooling systems, we ended up putting a float switch in the top tank of the radiator, which would also shut down the engine. Our overheating failures dropped significantly after doing this. There are now electronic senders that work off of temperature differentials that provide the same signal. If someone was enterprising enough, they could install one if these in their radiator and use it to light a light. Dan On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I was thinking about that when she told me she did not see a red warning light. I should try to rig something up, just a little temp sensor and a buzzer/light or something. --R On 7/9/12 12:19 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 09/07/2012 11:13 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. One would think it should be possible to rig up some form of warning device that would give an indication long before the engine quits or one notices the gauge etc. Inboard outboard boats have an audible warning if they begin to overheat. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
Randy Bennell wrote: How about some form of water pressure sensor? One would think that when the level drops, the pump would not be putting out full pressure due to air/cavitation etc? Pressure in the system comes from the heat. I don't think that would work dependably. Or a temperature sensor located lower on the block? If fluid is not moving well, one would think the temperature would rise? The heat is generated at the head. With no coolant at the head, the rest of the coolant won't get much heat. I don't think that would be dependable. Maybe a liquid level detector? Or cylinder head temperature? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
Lexus. Ughh:( Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:13 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. On 7/9/12, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So this morning mama rings me a 4:26AM (don't ask) and in fumbling for the phone I did not get the call. Try to call her like 6 times, then a voice mail pops up, she says the car is dead, was smoking bad, would not start again after stopping. Anyway I finally reach her, she has called AAA to get a free tow back to the house, says some guy (at 4:30AM...) saw a puddle of oil under the car. Ohsh*t. So anyway after awhile a flat bed arrives with her and the car, she goes on her way. I checked the oil, it was fine. Car then started right up and ran OK. h. So then I check coolant and it is completely dry. Ohsh*t. I filled it back up and see it leaking out the front of the engine, I guess it is coming from the water pump which must have munched. Looks like the water pump is in some sort of aluminum housing with a little banjo bolt/line coming out of it then going to the block just above. Anyone know what all that is about? I am figuring the car did overheat and the smoke was steam blowing out, but maybe she was lucky and caught it (or by circumstances was caught) before the engine got damaged. Given it started and ran fine, I am hoping --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/07/2012 2:55 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Lexus. Ughh:( Sent from my iPhone Well, my recollection is that there was a Lexus that looked a lot like an MB so the styling was OK. Toyota used to have a good mechanical reputation so if the one that looks like an MB came from that era, it might be not bad. How is that for justification? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I sold my engine to a dude from VA for $325. )) On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OM617, right? Maybe Andrew still has one? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You must learn to be more tolerant, Dimitri. I felt the same way until I read the road test report. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Lexus. Ughh:( Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:13 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. On 7/9/12, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So this morning mama rings me a 4:26AM (don't ask) and in fumbling for the phone I did not get the call. Try to call her like 6 times, then a voice mail pops up, she says the car is dead, was smoking bad, would not start again after stopping. Anyway I finally reach her, she has called AAA to get a free tow back to the house, says some guy (at 4:30AM...) saw a puddle of oil under the car. Ohsh*t. So anyway after awhile a flat bed arrives with her and the car, she goes on her way. I checked the oil, it was fine. Car then started right up and ran OK. h. So then I check coolant and it is completely dry. Ohsh*t. I filled it back up and see it leaking out the front of the engine, I guess it is coming from the water pump which must have munched. Looks like the water pump is in some sort of aluminum housing with a little banjo bolt/line coming out of it then going to the block just above. Anyone know what all that is about? I am figuring the car did overheat and the smoke was steam blowing out, but maybe she was lucky and caught it (or by circumstances was caught) before the engine got damaged. Given it started and ran fine, I am hoping --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have no tolerance for Lexus:) Never will. Toyota as a company irks me. My three most hated cars: 1. Lexus (all models) 2. Prius 3. Camry Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:48 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: You must learn to be more tolerant, Dimitri. I felt the same way until I read the road test report. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Lexus. Ughh:( Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 12:13 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: My son experienced two 300SD overheating snafus, cooking the engine in the process both times. Each time the cause was a cracked plastic radiator neck, while he was driving fast on the h'way and didn't notice in time. Since then he was switched to Miatas, Subaru Outbacks, and most recently a Lexus under warranty. On 7/9/12, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So this morning mama rings me a 4:26AM (don't ask) and in fumbling for the phone I did not get the call. Try to call her like 6 times, then a voice mail pops up, she says the car is dead, was smoking bad, would not start again after stopping. Anyway I finally reach her, she has called AAA to get a free tow back to the house, says some guy (at 4:30AM...) saw a puddle of oil under the car. Ohsh*t. So anyway after awhile a flat bed arrives with her and the car, she goes on her way. I checked the oil, it was fine. Car then started right up and ran OK. h. So then I check coolant and it is completely dry. Ohsh*t. I filled it back up and see it leaking out the front of the engine, I guess it is coming from the water pump which must have munched. Looks like the water pump is in some sort of aluminum housing with a little banjo bolt/line coming out of it then going to the block just above. Anyone know what all that is about? I am figuring the car did overheat and the smoke was steam blowing out, but maybe she was lucky and caught it (or by circumstances was caught) before the engine got damaged. Given it started and ran fine, I am hoping --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
I'd just replace the pump and hope for the best. The pump is just a relatively small flange with the impeller on the inside and the pulley on the outside, Inside the flange is the bearing and the seal. There is weep hole on the bottom to let coolant out in case the seal starts to leak. These things weren't too expensive in the past but I haven't bought one in years. Here's a video that shows the pump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9je3Xe6ig The 617 is a pretty tough engine and it may still be serviceable. Having said that, overheating and zero oil are two of the things that can wreck them. Still, I'd put water in it, warm it up, and run a compression test before throwing in the towel. Pistons/rings, cylinder bores, and valves are the most likely to show damage and a compression test should reveal potential problems pretty fast. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare So this morning mama rings me a 4:26AM (don't ask) and in fumbling for the phone I did not get the call. Try to call her like 6 times, then a voice mail pops up, she says the car is dead, was smoking bad, would not start again after stopping. Anyway I finally reach her, she has called AAA to get a free tow back to the house, says some guy (at 4:30AM...) saw a puddle of oil under the car. Ohsh*t. So anyway after awhile a flat bed arrives with her and the car, she goes on her way. I checked the oil, it was fine. Car then started right up and ran OK. h. So then I check coolant and it is completely dry. Ohsh*t. I filled it back up and see it leaking out the front of the engine, I guess it is coming from the water pump which must have munched. Looks like the water pump is in some sort of aluminum housing with a little banjo bolt/line coming out of it then going to the block just above. Anyone know what all that is about? I am figuring the car did overheat and the smoke was steam blowing out, but maybe she was lucky and caught it (or by circumstances was caught) before the engine got damaged. Given it started and ran fine, I am hoping --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare
The PO of my '81 300TD and I both overheated it a couple times and ruined the headgasket. Car still started and ran great but would belch white smoke if idled for more than a couple minutes and eventually would fill #1 with water if the radiator cap was left on over night. It'd be worth running it to see what happens. Even then in a nice-ish car its still probably worth fixing. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:41:13 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD Morning Scare Message-ID: CF4E66A0E76E46B689434C8567AFF094@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I'd just replace the pump and hope for the best. The pump is just a relatively small flange with the impeller on the inside and the pulley on the outside, Inside the flange is the bearing and the seal. There is weep hole on the bottom to let coolant out in case the seal starts to leak. These things weren't too expensive in the past but I haven't bought one in years. Here's a video that shows the pump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9je3Xe6ig The 617 is a pretty tough engine and it may still be serviceable. Having said that, overheating and zero oil are two of the things that can wreck them. Still, I'd put water in it, warm it up, and run a compression test before throwing in the towel. Pistons/rings, cylinder bores, and valves are the most likely to show damage and a compression test should reveal potential problems pretty fast. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
