Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-23 00:16, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

"the "government money" comes from the citizen taxpayers." And also a
wealth tax, called inflation, on people that own dollars.


Wealth tax on steroids:
Give me all your gold, and I'll give you $20.50 an ounce.
Don't give me all your gold, and I'll throw you in prison.
...
Thanks for the gold, the dollars I gave you for it are now worth 1/35th 
an ounce.


There are two things FDR did in the 1930s that I think you should shoot 
a politician in the face for. One was the great gold robbery, the other 
was packing the court. There was no need to get revenge for the court 
packing scheme which failed because not enough Democrats supported it, 
but I can't believe all those people committed suicide during the 1930s 
without any of them hitching a ride to DC and wasting the President.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Actually I have heard inflation referred to as "the cruellest tax".


Rick

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"the "government money" comes from the citizen taxpayers." And also a wealth 
tax, called inflation, on people that own dollars.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

"the "government money" comes from the citizen taxpayers." And also a wealth 
tax, called inflation, on people that own dollars.

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Exactly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 21/12/2020 6:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point 
>> now they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you 
>> have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are 
>> not paying then the government should be paying their rent.  The government 
>> should also be paying for any damages that occur.
>> 
> I trust you are aware that the "government money" comes from the citizen 
> taxpayers. How much more are you personally willing to contribute by way of 
> taxes to pay for these programs where the government pays rent for people 
> etc? If you prefer that the government tax wealthy corporations to cover 
> these expenses, then get ready to pay higher prices wherever you shop. There 
> is no "free lunch". One way or another, we will pay.
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

A case could be made for a class action suit against local governments who 
engage in the practice of forcing landlords to be unable to evict.  That smells 
very much of an illegal and unconstitutional takings.  Federal crime which 
heads to the SCOTUS.  It will take years to litigate, but that is ok, lots of 
damages and liquidation of useless social experimental programs can result.

Were I in the unenviable position to have a tenant in my SEA home, and no 
payment or rents, under the illegal mandate I can not evict this year.  Hmmm, 
Losses would be in the $36k range, not accounting for damages to the property 
itself.

The poor mensch with apartment complex must be seeing at least that much every 
month.  Hundreds and millions of $$$ lost due to “Summer of Love” idiocy and 
criminal stupidity.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-22 12:03, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> On 21/12/2020 6:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point 
>>> now they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you 
>>> have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are 
>>> not paying then the government should be paying their rent.  The government 
>>> should also be paying for any damages that occur.
>> I trust you are aware that the "government money" comes from the
>> citizen taxpayers. How much more are you personally willing to
>> contribute by way of taxes to pay for these programs where the
>> government pays rent for people etc?
> 
> I think Kleb would rather be able to evict non-paying vandals from his house, 
> but if gov't is going to take his house and donate it to the vandals, he 
> wants gov't to buy the house first.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

It now falls on insurance companies to keep landlords whole.  I am sure the 
rent free tenants are not keeping the residences in good condition.   I could 
not find paying ones capable of maintaining the homes in livable conditions.  
Some Hebrew Lightning will descend from the heavens and cleanse the abodes of 
resident and filth in one stroke.  Standard policy then covers that loss, 
landlord has funds and bare land that can be redeveloped to a higher standard 
and sold off when the markets rebound.

Of course the renters will be found to have been crackhead drug smokers or 
imbeciles unlearned in how to operate heating equipment for food and warming

Clay


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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are not paying then 
> the government should be paying their rent.  The government should also be 
> paying for any damages that occur."
> 
> Isn't it interesting that state governors (not the feds) mandated these 
> lockdowns but those states are all broke and can't print money.  I don't 
> think the treasury (i.e. us) should be paying for this stupidity any more 
> than for the state's other unfunded obligations.  In fact, clowns like Cuomo 
> and DeBlasio should sued be held personally responsible for the damage. 


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> One of the other directors at work has a number of rental properties
> he’s amassed over the years, like 15-20. I asked him the other day of
> any of his renters had bailed on him, and he said that luckily, they
> had not. I think his properties are towards the higher end of the
> rental scale for around here, which might have something to do with
> it.

Same, I know a guy who is co-owner of a rental management company. They
mostly rent to students which has its own set of difficulties but for
the most part they have continued to pay the rent.

Owning rental property is an investment and landlords should be expected
to shoulder ordinary investment risk and to be responsible for having
enough savings to ride out market downturns. But for the government to
say nobody has to pay rent and you can't evict them for any reason
goes beyond the "rules of the game" as far as I'm concerned.

That said if I were a landlord and had a good tenant who had fallen
behind due to COVID issues, I'd try to be as lenient as I could.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Exactly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 21/12/2020 6:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point 
>> now they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you 
>> have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are 
>> not paying then the government should be paying their rent.  The government 
>> should also be paying for any damages that occur.
>> 
> I trust you are aware that the "government money" comes from the citizen 
> taxpayers. How much more are you personally willing to contribute by way of 
> taxes to pay for these programs where the government pays rent for people 
> etc? If you prefer that the government tax wealthy corporations to cover 
> these expenses, then get ready to pay higher prices wherever you shop. There 
> is no "free lunch". One way or another, we will pay.
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Well, I beg to differ. The citizens are essentially the guarantors of 
the government debt. When the government spends money it does not have, 
it is still ultimately intended to come from your pocket as the 
government does not have money or earn money.


RB


On 22/12/2020 11:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

I trust you are aware that the "government money" >comes from the citizen 
taxpayers.

It would be wonderful if that was the case.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiatmoney.asp

https://youtu.be/2qjCj8phzaM

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp

It's not.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>I trust you are aware that the "government money" >comes from the citizen 
>taxpayers.

It would be wonderful if that was the case.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiatmoney.asp

https://youtu.be/2qjCj8phzaM

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp

It's not.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Very succinctly put.

-D


> On Dec 22, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-22 12:03, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> On 21/12/2020 6:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point 
>>> now they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you 
>>> have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are 
>>> not paying then the government should be paying their rent.  The government 
>>> should also be paying for any damages that occur.
>> I trust you are aware that the "government money" comes from the
>> citizen taxpayers. How much more are you personally willing to
>> contribute by way of taxes to pay for these programs where the
>> government pays rent for people etc?
> 
> I think Kleb would rather be able to evict non-paying vandals from his house, 
> but if gov't is going to take his house and donate it to the vandals, he 
> wants gov't to buy the house first.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-22 12:03, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 21/12/2020 6:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the 
point now they government can not allow you to manage the own property 
that you have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep 
tenants who are not paying then the government should be paying their 
rent.  The government should also be paying for any damages that 
occur.



I trust you are aware that the "government money" comes from the
citizen taxpayers. How much more are you personally willing to
contribute by way of taxes to pay for these programs where the
government pays rent for people etc?


I think Kleb would rather be able to evict non-paying vandals from his 
house, but if gov't is going to take his house and donate it to the 
vandals, he wants gov't to buy the house first.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 21/12/2020 6:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point now 
they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you have paid 
for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are not paying 
then the government should be paying their rent.  The government should also be 
paying for any damages that occur.

I trust you are aware that the "government money" comes from the citizen 
taxpayers. How much more are you personally willing to contribute by way 
of taxes to pay for these programs where the government pays rent for 
people etc? If you prefer that the government tax wealthy corporations 
to cover these expenses, then get ready to pay higher prices wherever 
you shop. There is no "free lunch". One way or another, we will pay.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Another good reason to not be a landlord right now. I can’t imagine how 
frustrating it would be to have renters who weren’t obligated to pay rent. A 
horribly one-sided approach to a problem. Landlords should get assistance as 
well if people aren't going to be required to pay rent.

One of the other directors at work has a number of rental properties he’s 
amassed over the years, like 15-20. I asked him the other day of any of his 
renters had bailed on him, and he said that luckily, they had not. I think his 
properties are towards the higher end of the rental scale for around here, 
which might have something to do with it.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And NONE of these governmental nannies are going without a paycheck
> through all of the lockdowns and other nonsense they are imposing on the
> rest of us. They don't even follow their own rules half the time. See
> Dr. Birx gathering her extended family for Thanksgiving after telling
> everyone else not to do that.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the
>> point now they government can not allow you to manage the own property
>> that you have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep
>> tenants who are not paying then the government should be paying their
>> rent.  The government should also be paying for any damages that
>> occur.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://youtu.be/IoxXdxS00yE


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

"If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are not paying then 
the government should be paying their rent.  The government should also be 
paying for any damages that occur."

Isn't it interesting that state governors (not the feds) mandated these 
lockdowns but those states are all broke and can't print money.  I don't think 
the treasury (i.e. us) should be paying for this stupidity any more than for 
the state's other unfunded obligations.  In fact, clowns like Cuomo and 
DeBlasio should sued be held personally responsible for the damage. 



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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

And NONE of these governmental nannies are going without a paycheck
through all of the lockdowns and other nonsense they are imposing on the
rest of us. They don't even follow their own rules half the time. See
Dr. Birx gathering her extended family for Thanksgiving after telling
everyone else not to do that.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the
> point now they government can not allow you to manage the own property
> that you have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep
> tenants who are not paying then the government should be paying their
> rent.  The government should also be paying for any damages that
> occur.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point now 
they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you have paid 
for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are not paying 
then the government should be paying their rent.  The government should also be 
paying for any damages that occur. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a little Texas landlording story I found on the 'net:
> 
> When we leave our place we have no choice but to see the local meth head in 
> action. I've seen pig stys that are FAR better kept. The other night when I 
> took my trash up to the receptacle I saw him outside under his "car port". He 
> was doing something and hunched over a folding table wearing a pair of 
> overalls and an old football helmet. Guy is about 40 and up close he looks 
> about 80 and is covered with scabs. His wife was outside the otherday and had 
> taken all the screens of the windows. No window washing took place. Screens 
> are just scattered around the junk car on jacks blocking the way into the car 
> port. They are WYY gone. That shit must simply own your mind and 
> soul and shit in your body as a hobby.
> 
> Lady that owns the duplex is losing her mind because our Governor put a 
> moratorium on evictions in place back in March. She can't get him out and he 
> hasn't paid her since then AND has absolutely destroyed what was at one time 
> a nice little duplex. Now it's a scab on our community.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Here's a little Texas landlording story I found on the 'net:

When we leave our place we have no choice but to see the local meth head 
in action. I've seen pig stys that are FAR better kept. The other night 
when I took my trash up to the receptacle I saw him outside under his 
"car port". He was doing something and hunched over a folding table 
wearing a pair of overalls and an old football helmet. Guy is about 40 
and up close he looks about 80 and is covered with scabs. His wife was 
outside the otherday and had taken all the screens of the windows. No 
window washing took place. Screens are just scattered around the junk 
car on jacks blocking the way into the car port. They are 
WYY gone. That shit must simply own your mind and soul and 
shit in your body as a hobby.


Lady that owns the duplex is losing her mind because our Governor put a 
moratorium on evictions in place back in March. She can't get him out 
and he hasn't paid her since then AND has absolutely destroyed what was 
at one time a nice little duplex. Now it's a scab on our community.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We have a large pool of officers and their families coming into the area due to 
SOCOM and MacDil AFB being here. Probably a third of my current neighborhood 
consists of active duty officers and retirees. They make for great renters, 
despite the sometime quick changes that can result from reassignments and TDY. 
However, the housing allowance they get is well over what most rents are if 
they have a family, so renting to them is easy and there is always someone 
right behind them if they leave.

My former neighbor across the street has been renting their house to military 
only for the last five years and has only had about 2-3 months out of that time 
with the house unoccupied. We would have gone that route as well had we chosen 
to keep the place and rent.

That being said, I just didn’t want the hassle of being a landlord. That, and 
the last mortgage we had on the place, a 15 year note, would have made for the 
cash flow to be minimal as well. We certainly would have turned a profit after 
taxes and expenses, but not enough that we thought worthwhile. Had we owned the 
place outright or had a lower mortgage payment, it might have been more 
attractive.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan writes:
> 
>> It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell off the 
>> former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very good decision.
> 
> For you, it was probably the best decision. Someone else may have had a 
> successful go at it. Being a landlord is not for everyone. You have to be 
> fair but extremely firm. A bit of a d*ck even. That, and the laws in your 
> locale may not favor landlords or property owners, and the laws can be 
> changed at a politician's whim. The recent moratorium on evictions is a good 
> example. I'm sure some states and municipalities have statutes in place that 
> do not allow winter evictions, so some property owners are going to be out 
> nearly a years rent.
> 
> If I was in Kaleb's shoes, one of those properties would be gone. That said, 
> there may be other reasons he can't currently sell.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan writes:

>It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell off the 
>former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very good decision.

For you, it was probably the best decision. Someone else may have had a 
successful go at it. Being a landlord is not for everyone. You have to be fair 
but extremely firm. A bit of a d*ck even. That, and the laws in your locale may 
not favor landlords or property owners, and the laws can be changed at a 
politician's whim. The recent moratorium on evictions is a good example. I'm 
sure some states and municipalities have statutes in place that do not allow 
winter evictions, so some property owners are going to be out nearly a years 
rent.

If I was in Kaleb's shoes, one of those properties would be gone. That said, 
there may be other reasons he can't currently sell.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

At the start. Sold for $15k over the listing price, had it under contract in 
less than three days after we listed it. Four offers, three full price. Closed 
in less than 30 days, at the end of March. Used a fixed price listing service 
($700) and only paid the buyer’s agent 2%. You would have been proud.

-D


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did you sell it before or after the COVID price increase?
> Mitch
> 
> On 2020-12-19 20:01, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell
>> off the former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very
>> good decision.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Did you sell it before or after the COVID price increase?
Mitch

On 2020-12-19 20:01, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell
off the former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very
good decision.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell off the 
former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very good decision.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's going be a heck of a water bill unless it's on a pump.  After hearing 
> all the horror stories about renters, I feel extremely lucky to have had 3 
> renters over 6 years who generally paid their rent on time and didn't damage 
> anything.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 12/17/2020 2:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well now. That should saturate the septic field.
>> Ugh.
>> Sell now.
>> Take the money.
>> Pay off whatever needs paid off.
>> Be done.
>> 
>> If you wait three more years to be "done", you will probably have missed a 
>> golden opportunity to sell.
>> 
>> I think I know why you refuse to sell. I have "been there, done that", so if 
>> you want some friendly knowledgeable advice, shoot me an email off list.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: December 17, 2020 12:53 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you
>> 
>> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>>> weeks straight?
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

That's going be a heck of a water bill unless it's on a pump.  After 
hearing all the horror stories about renters, I feel extremely lucky to 
have had 3 renters over 6 years who generally paid their rent on time 
and didn't damage anything.


LarryT

On 12/17/2020 2:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Well now. That should saturate the septic field.
Ugh.
Sell now.
Take the money.
Pay off whatever needs paid off.
Be done.

If you wait three more years to be "done", you will probably have missed a 
golden opportunity to sell.

I think I know why you refuse to sell. I have "been there, done that", so if 
you want some friendly knowledgeable advice, shoot me an email off list.


Rick

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2

weeks straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How much do you get for the leeches?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 1:54 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Floyd says:
>
> >I got a month of gas free.
>
> That almost calls for a banned response.
>
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Floyd says:

>I got a month of gas free.

That almost calls for a banned response.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> I would have expected the yard to be
flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.

If it has been a dry autumn, the leech field probably just worked as it should.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

About 125 cubic feet.
Had a toilet running for two weeks at my Mom's empty house in Oct.
Water, sewage and garbage bill is normally $58 a month. For Oct the bill 
was over $200.00


Russ W

On 12/17/2020 11:52, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Possibly but not likely.

On 12/17/2020 7:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


I am not sure where the hell it all went.  The septic tank is either
500 gal or 1k, can't remember which.  I would have expected the yard
to be flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.

Don't rule out the possibility that the water utility screwed up the
latest meter reading. Did they double-check it?

Allan

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Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I am not sure where the hell it all went.  The septic tank is either
> 500 gal or 1k, can't remember which.  I would have expected the yard
> to be flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.

Don't rule out the possibility that the water utility screwed up the
latest meter reading. Did they double-check it?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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I think this is the one I'll get - always wanted to know how much power was
being used where 0 and they took all the work out of figuring it out.
https://iotawatt.com/index.html


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:25 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter?
>
> You need an integrating wattmeter.  Basically a whole-house Kill-A-Watt
> type device.  It could clamp onto the feed wires for current, and tap them
> directly in the breaker box for voltage.  Then it integrates the
> instantaneous
> product of current and voltage over a lengthy time, which accounts for both
> the power factor as well as normal load variation.
>
> It's not an inherently complex device, witness the Kill-A-Watt, but
> getting one that's
> intended to do the job you need...  Well, I thought you used to be able to
> buy them.
>
> You need to check for the unexpected, too.  I used to live next door to a
> guy
> who wondered why his apt. power bill was so much larger than mine, yet
> when we
> compared use patterns there shouldn't have been much, if any difference.
> Turns
> out the apartment complex's exterior lighting was tapped off of his
> meter.  Once that
> was known he got a rent break from management.  I wonder if the current
> occupants
> know this?
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its funny because smart meters were supposed to solve every problem with 
electricity, save big money, prevent brownouts but it sure doesn't seem to have 
worked. We still have a dumb meter and I'd like to keep it.
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 7:44:50 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Claremore, OK has a HUGE problem with electric going on the last several 
years, has been quite a deal which they deny there is any problem.  
There are people who have small little 1000sqft houses that hardly run 
anything electric with $800 a month electric bills, this is after they 
went to smart meters.

On 12/17/2020 3:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
>overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if 
>anything but IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged tens 
>of thousands for power at a house that was shut...
>
> -Curt
>
>      On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:10:00 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via 
>Mercedes  wrote:
>  
>  Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
>
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Drat!

Same sort of thing at my home.   I get bills bi-monthly for water/garbage.  
Last time I used water was 12/27/2019 in SEA.  Got the bill for September and 
it shows massive water usage and $180 bill.  Had my neighbor take a walk 
through to see if he found flowing water or anything out of the ordinary.  He 
reports nothing obvious.  Last time I had water usage like that, it was a VERY 
dry summer and I watered the garden, had kids taking showers galore, washing 
four cars, and being teens, having to do loads of wash.  Gave the municipality 
a call and they claim stupidity, but will hold it in abeyance until the next 
reading.  Most recent bill showed even more usage, to the point I am thinking 
the line from the meter to the home has failed and is washing away the 
foundations.  Neighbor once more finds nothing, but does note that there is 
half consumed food and soda in the kitchen, which he had not noticed on his 
many previous visits to raid my tool cupboard.  

SQUATTERS!?

He does another walk through a few days later and still finds no obvious water 
consumers running wild.  Figure it was time to get a real plumber in to see 
about that main line.  They show up yesterday and wander the home.  Turns out 
it was a busted valve on the master throne, as well as worn flapper and float 
causing chronic, but inaudible, consumption.  Total cost = $1k in repair and 
billing.  And I am still not able to get out of GWN and home until summer.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yep.  The water company called this morning saying they were out reading 
> meters and noticed we must have a huge leak or something because there was 
> 90k usage this past month.  The renter has been out of town since the 5th for 
> training and we figure the moron must have turned the heat off and caused the 
> pipes to freeze.  I get there expecting to open the front door and all the 
> furniture comes rushing out with flood waters.  Do not see anything wrong so 
> I turn water back on.  One of the toilets is running.  Apparently the handle 
> somehow stuck up and did not close the flapper.  Its as been running full 
> blast since then.  I flushed it 10 times and it never stuck so it was just a 
> fluke.  Just one of those things that happens sometimes.  Anyway, yes the 
> bill is their problem and the bill is almost $700.  I would not be surprised 
> if the septic tank will now need to be pumped.



Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Claremore, OK has a HUGE problem with electric going on the last several 
years, has been quite a deal which they deny there is any problem.  
There are people who have small little 1000sqft houses that hardly run 
anything electric with $800 a month electric bills, this is after they 
went to smart meters.


On 12/17/2020 3:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if anything but 
IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged tens of thousands for power 
at a house that was shut...

-Curt

 On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:10:00 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you

clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
awhile.

I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
because of a running toilet in a rental property.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2

weeks straight?

Sent from my iPhone

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On 2020-12-17 18:24, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I would not be surprised if the septic tank will now need to be pumped.


It probably has less shit in it than you've ever seen before.
Might be pure water after a flushing like that.

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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh the contract is pretty air tight in these matters, so yes, he is 
fully on the hook .


On 12/17/2020 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
That's the complete toll for water use though right? I have doubts 
about running that much water through a toilet at all in 2 weeks...


I can't imagine putting up with a toilet running for 2 weeks straight, 
it'd drive me insane.


There ought to be a clause in the rental agreement about not reporting 
faults to the landlord and holding tenants liable. Probably illegal 
though, imagine holding somebody responsible for their actions, or 
inactions for that matter.


-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:



Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>
> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am not sure where the hell it all went.  The septic tank is either 500 
gal or 1k, can't remember which.  I would have expected the yard to be 
flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.


On 12/17/2020 3:04 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:

WOW! 90K gallons would be enough to fill our pool just over four times! That is 
insane!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2

weeks straight?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh boy

On 12/17/2020 2:57 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year because 
of a running toilet in a rental property.

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep.  The water company called this morning saying they were out reading 
meters and noticed we must have a huge leak or something because there 
was 90k usage this past month.  The renter has been out of town since 
the 5th for training and we figure the moron must have turned the heat 
off and caused the pipes to freeze.  I get there expecting to open the 
front door and all the furniture comes rushing out with flood waters.  
Do not see anything wrong so I turn water back on.  One of the toilets 
is running.  Apparently the handle somehow stuck up and did not close 
the flapper.  Its as been running full blast since then.  I flushed it 
10 times and it never stuck so it was just a fluke.  Just one of those 
things that happens sometimes.  Anyway, yes the bill is their problem 
and the bill is almost $700.  I would not be surprised if the septic 
tank will now need to be pumped.


On 12/17/2020 1:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

You have a tenant now? Isn't the water bill their problem? Especially if
they allowed the toilet to run for 2 weeks without telling you? Or is
water included in their rent?

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


Yep

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Many variables but 2 GPM should be ballpark, so about 40,000 gal.   Or enough 
to fill a 40 ft by 200 dt swimming pool 7 ft deep.  Obviously this is not a 
septic tank situation.

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Yep

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>> straight?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Would like to get one for the water line while I am at it.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 2:14 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> True but at least I can cross check the total Kwh.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:21 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Karl, do you have a 'smart' meter?  Those basically allow the power
>> company
>> to charge you a different rate for electricity used at different times of
>> the day.  If your state utility / laws / regulations allow it, the power
>> company can charge you in ways that will be impossible to figure out if
>> they're fair and legal or not.
>>
>> Dr. Bill Wattenburg used to have a radio talk show (maybe he still does?)
>> and he detailed the problems with CA utilities back in the Enron days, I'm
>> repeating what he talked about.  He also went into a lengthy diatribe of
>> how the power companies will increase your line voltage above 115 volts,
>> sometimes as high as 125 volts, so you use more power and they can charge
>> you more money.  He did a major study when brownouts where plaguing CA 15
>> years ago or so, and his study indicated that the brownouts could easily
>> end if the power companies reduced the line voltage so that your house saw
>> 110 volts, with no damage or noticeable difference in how your appliances
>> etc. operated.  No harm to households, just less power overall used, but
>> the power companies refused to do that because they made more money with
>> higher line voltages and the politicians refused to force a change because
>> they benefit from the crisis, even if it is a manufactured crisis.  Sound
>> familiar?
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device
>> you
>> > clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
>> > awhile.
>> >
>> > I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> > > because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
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>> > > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for
>> 2
>> > > weeks straight?
>> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Answer: enough water to cause the immediate sale of the toilet and the
house that holds it.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks
> straight?
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes. Validate the meter reading. I dont trust these new digital meters.
Something funny going on as we are paying about double what we paid about 3
years ago.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> What do you mean by “cross check”? Are you just wanting to compare your
> readings with the power company’s?
>
> “Sense” is probably the latest and the best from a consumer standpoint if
> you want accuracy and lots of features.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yajpxty4 
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device
> you
> > clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> > awhile.
> >
> > I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> >> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> >> weeks straight?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You can get devices that will detect and stop this.

For example 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/MOEN-Flo-by-Moen-0-75-in-Water-Leak-Detector-with-Automatic-Water-Shut-Off-Valve-900-001/309096191

Allan


Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes  writes:

> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year 
> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>> straight?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Where do you live?  Where are your properties?  I used to live up there, 
first house was a triple dekka in Dawchestah, I didn't have too many 
problems with tenants except when a coupla girls moved out and left an 
old VW wagon in the driveway which then did not allow me to use the 
driveway.  That resolved after a month or so, somehow, they came and got 
the thing.


--FT

On 12/17/20 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

In this retarded liberal state of MA, landlords have no rights. I just shoveled 
a bunch of sidewalks and walkways today because MA state law prohibits the 
landlord from forcing the tenant to do it so they don’t.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

True but at least I can cross check the total Kwh.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:21 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl, do you have a 'smart' meter?  Those basically allow the power company
> to charge you a different rate for electricity used at different times of
> the day.  If your state utility / laws / regulations allow it, the power
> company can charge you in ways that will be impossible to figure out if
> they're fair and legal or not.
>
> Dr. Bill Wattenburg used to have a radio talk show (maybe he still does?)
> and he detailed the problems with CA utilities back in the Enron days, I'm
> repeating what he talked about.  He also went into a lengthy diatribe of
> how the power companies will increase your line voltage above 115 volts,
> sometimes as high as 125 volts, so you use more power and they can charge
> you more money.  He did a major study when brownouts where plaguing CA 15
> years ago or so, and his study indicated that the brownouts could easily
> end if the power companies reduced the line voltage so that your house saw
> 110 volts, with no damage or noticeable difference in how your appliances
> etc. operated.  No harm to households, just less power overall used, but
> the power companies refused to do that because they made more money with
> higher line voltages and the politicians refused to force a change because
> they benefit from the crisis, even if it is a manufactured crisis.  Sound
> familiar?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device
> you
> > clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> > awhile.
> >
> > I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> > > because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> > > weeks straight?
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Can you legally evict the tenants?  Or would you have to buy them out?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:25 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Yeah, interest rates are dead low, people are spending stupid money for
> houses, now is a great time to unload it.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/17/20 2:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > You are into some serious self abuse, buddy. Take Rick’s advice, cut and
> run.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >>>
> >>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>  How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

In this retarded liberal state of MA, landlords have no rights. I just shoveled 
a bunch of sidewalks and walkways today because MA state law prohibits the 
landlord from forcing the tenant to do it so they don’t.

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  That's the complete toll for water use though right? I have doubts about 
> running that much water through a toilet at all in 2 weeks...
> I can't imagine putting up with a toilet running for 2 weeks straight, it'd 
> drive me insane.
> There ought to be a clause in the rental agreement about not reporting faults 
> to the landlord and holding tenants liable. Probably illegal though, imagine 
> holding somebody responsible for their actions, or inactions for that matter.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>>> weeks straight?
 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Central Maine Power is the absolute worst utility company that I’ve ever dealt 
with.

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
> overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if 
> anything but IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged 
> tens of thousands for power at a house that was shut...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:10:00 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
> 
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Right after grad school I lived in an apartment that had gas heat and 
stove.  It was on the 3rd floor of a big old house so I did not need a 
lot of heat as the lower floors sorta migrated up to me, and I was not 
around much anyway what with working.  So my bills would maybe be 
$20/month if that in the winter.  One month I get a bill for $13k.  
h.  So I called the gas company, went and read the meter, and she 
says well that is the reading we have too so I'm not sure what 
happened.  A week or two goes by and this woman calls me back, 
apparently for some reason the meter got swapped and no one bothered to 
write down the old meter reading, so I got billed for about a trillion 
ft3 of gas.  She waived that bill and just restarted it from that last 
reading, I got a month of gas free.


--FT

On 12/17/20 4:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

There's also the classic "We replaced your meter with a new one",
but they 'neglected' to reset the base reading, so you get charged
the power difference between the old meter's reading and the new's.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There's also the classic "We replaced your meter with a new one",
but they 'neglected' to reset the base reading, so you get charged
the power difference between the old meter's reading and the new's.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 That's the complete toll for water use though right? I have doubts about 
running that much water through a toilet at all in 2 weeks...
I can't imagine putting up with a toilet running for 2 weeks straight, it'd 
drive me insane.
There ought to be a clause in the rental agreement about not reporting faults 
to the landlord and holding tenants liable. Probably illegal though, imagine 
holding somebody responsible for their actions, or inactions for that matter.
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons 

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
> 
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>> 
>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter?

You need an integrating wattmeter.  Basically a whole-house Kill-A-Watt
type device.  It could clamp onto the feed wires for current, and tap them
directly in the breaker box for voltage.  Then it integrates the instantaneous
product of current and voltage over a lengthy time, which accounts for both
the power factor as well as normal load variation.

It's not an inherently complex device, witness the Kill-A-Watt, but getting one 
that's
intended to do the job you need...  Well, I thought you used to be able to buy 
them.

You need to check for the unexpected, too.  I used to live next door to a guy
who wondered why his apt. power bill was so much larger than mine, yet when we
compared use patterns there shouldn't have been much, if any difference.  Turns
out the apartment complex's exterior lighting was tapped off of his meter.  
Once that
was known he got a rent break from management.  I wonder if the current 
occupants
know this?

-- Jim


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if 
anything but IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged tens 
of thousands for power at a house that was shut...

-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:10:00 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
awhile.

I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Karl, do you have a 'smart' meter?  Those basically allow the power company
to charge you a different rate for electricity used at different times of
the day.  If your state utility / laws / regulations allow it, the power
company can charge you in ways that will be impossible to figure out if
they're fair and legal or not.

Dr. Bill Wattenburg used to have a radio talk show (maybe he still does?)
and he detailed the problems with CA utilities back in the Enron days, I'm
repeating what he talked about.  He also went into a lengthy diatribe of
how the power companies will increase your line voltage above 115 volts,
sometimes as high as 125 volts, so you use more power and they can charge
you more money.  He did a major study when brownouts where plaguing CA 15
years ago or so, and his study indicated that the brownouts could easily
end if the power companies reduced the line voltage so that your house saw
110 volts, with no damage or noticeable difference in how your appliances
etc. operated.  No harm to households, just less power overall used, but
the power companies refused to do that because they made more money with
higher line voltages and the politicians refused to force a change because
they benefit from the crisis, even if it is a manufactured crisis.  Sound
familiar?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
>
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> > because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> > weeks straight?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What do you mean by “cross check”? Are you just wanting to compare your 
readings with the power company’s?

“Sense” is probably the latest and the best from a consumer standpoint if you 
want accuracy and lots of features.

https://tinyurl.com/yajpxty4 

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
> 
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They tell me the housing market is hot hot hot. This would be a great time to 
sell...
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 2:08:04 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Well now. That should saturate the septic field.
Ugh.
Sell now.
Take the money.
Pay off whatever needs paid off.
Be done.

If you wait three more years to be "done", you will probably have missed a 
golden opportunity to sell.

I think I know why you refuse to sell. I have "been there, done that", so if 
you want some friendly knowledgeable advice, shoot me an email off list.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hmmm, three minutes a gallon would be 20GPH, or about 500GPD, 3500GPW...

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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
awhile.

I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

WOW! 90K gallons would be enough to fill our pool just over four times! That is 
insane!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 12 Passenger 144WB 1850 miles, Low Mileage Lutgart
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>>> weeks straight?
 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year because 
of a running toilet in a rental property.

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

What you want to do is find someone from the tech industry who is
bailing out of California. They are so used to the insane prices there
that everywhere else in the country looks like pocket change. They are
making offers 20% above your ask just so they don't have to bother with
any negotiation.

Allan

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Yeah, interest rates are dead low, people are spending stupid money for 
> houses, now is a great time to unload it.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/17/20 2:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> You are into some serious self abuse, buddy. Take Rick’s advice, cut and run.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

 -D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 
> weeks straight?
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons 

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah, interest rates are dead low, people are spending stupid money for 
houses, now is a great time to unload it.


--FT

On 12/17/20 2:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

You are into some serious self abuse, buddy. Take Rick’s advice, cut and run.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Yep

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You have a tenant now? Isn't the water bill their problem? Especially if
they allowed the toilet to run for 2 weeks without telling you? Or is
water included in their rent?

Allan

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>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>> 
>> -D
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>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>>> straight?
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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You are into some serious self abuse, buddy. Take Rick’s advice, cut and run.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>>> straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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Yep

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
> 
> -D
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>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>> straight?
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Well now. That should saturate the septic field.
Ugh.
Sell now.
Take the money.
Pay off whatever needs paid off.
Be done.

If you wait three more years to be "done", you will probably have missed a 
golden opportunity to sell.

I think I know why you refuse to sell. I have "been there, done that", so if 
you want some friendly knowledgeable advice, shoot me an email off list.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>
> -D
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> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
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> > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

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