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Anyone who eats okra and likes it doesn't need health insurance. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: haha - Good one... ;-) LarryT On 8/15/2013 5:51 PM, G Mann wrote: Hype and Chains .. Hype and Chains... now tap your little red shoes together 3 times On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Right on Roger!! ;-) Just keep saying hope change, hope and change LOL - LarryT On 8/14/2013 9:03 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: LarryT, I'm with you 100% regarding the ACA train wreck!!! Isn't transparency in government wonderful? Still waiting to see it. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:44:50 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: There is no shortage of facts, it's just that no two sets agree perception is reality. Actually, perception is not reality. Reality, given time, will show its head and, given the ACA's background, will bite us most severely. As my Dad used to say, The truth will out. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Right on Roger!! ;-) Just keep saying hope change, hope and change LOL - LarryT On 8/14/2013 9:03 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: LarryT, I'm with you 100% regarding the ACA train wreck!!! Isn't transparency in government wonderful? Still waiting to see it. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hype and Chains .. Hype and Chains... now tap your little red shoes together 3 times On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Right on Roger!! ;-) Just keep saying hope change, hope and change LOL - LarryT On 8/14/2013 9:03 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: LarryT, I'm with you 100% regarding the ACA train wreck!!! Isn't transparency in government wonderful? Still waiting to see it. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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haha - Good one... ;-) LarryT On 8/15/2013 5:51 PM, G Mann wrote: Hype and Chains .. Hype and Chains... now tap your little red shoes together 3 times On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Right on Roger!! ;-) Just keep saying hope change, hope and change LOL - LarryT On 8/14/2013 9:03 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: LarryT, I'm with you 100% regarding the ACA train wreck!!! Isn't transparency in government wonderful? Still waiting to see it. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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(BTW, this isn't directed at Roger Hale) What's wrong with the ACA? Need a compelling reason to keep it at arms length? How about these reasons? A whole new monster will have to be fed when we already have a deficit situation. How financially bad must the fed make things before people see a disaster? it continues ONLY because they can print money - and the more they print the less we have is worth - but they MUST print more as that's the only way to pay their bills. A good reason to not jump on board aca? How about it's not the government's charter to provide health care? (or many of the other things that are driving this country farther and farther into debt? Like Detroit? Good that's that's where we are heading - it'll just take the USA longer cause we can print money) The Constitution has served us pretty well for over 200 years - now people want to deviate from it on the promise (and nothing else BUT a promise) of a street hustler who never had a real job, refuses to release education and other records, is distributing jobs as czars like a card dealer in Vegas and then allows those people who have zero congressional oversight to make high salaries while they create humongous regulations that will control every minute factor of our lives? Is that compellingenough? There are plenty of ways to improve the greatest health care system the world has seen without throwing it in the trash and giving it to a bunch of government bureaucrats! (tort reform, allowing insurers to cross state lines for 2) We don't know who these people are! How do we know they have our best interest at heart? They may be fine people but they are so well protected by the bureaucracy we will never know - until we see the regulations they are cranking out faster than the mint is cranking out sheets of 100 dollar bills! We used to be able to count on the news media to vet these kinds of people for us. Now they have their own agenda - and we're not a big part of it. They only dig through the trash of those perceived as conservatives so it can be splashed on the TV News. How can people not see the problem with what's going on? You seem to be willing to _hope_ for the best and if that's not what you get, oh well, maybe we'll like socialism? Well, no one in the history of the world has found it preferable to freedom, but hey! maybe we'll be the 1st? Yeah, that's it sheesh Creating a new financial monster using the federal government to administer it, who as a whole, has the _worst _track record of anyone who ever tried to successfully operate a traditional business, arethe LAST thing we should consider. There is NO reason to think it will succeed other than wishful thinking. We need to operate on facts, not wishes. I would think that this would be _so _obvious that even our most highly educated could see it! LarryT 91 300D On 8/8/2013 5:35 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Gary, Let's see...2000 page bill nobody read, changes made to a law by the president and NOT congress, 16,000 pages of regulations that few have actually read. By the time you wait and see what's in it, everyone (except the politicians) will be screwed, including you. ACA is sorta like the Fair Tax...looks reasonable on paper, but a pure train wreck to try to implement. Everyone knows what is wrong with our current health care system, but can congress address those problems, no, they pass a new law to create new/different problems. Just sayin'.. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry wrote: We need to operate on facts, not wishes. Now... that is wishful thinking!! We need to operate on facts? There are zero facts today. It is all wish. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is no shortage of facts, it's just that no two sets agree perception is reality. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: We need to operate on facts, not wishes. Now... that is wishful thinking!! We need to operate on facts? There are zero facts today. It is all wish. mao -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT, I'm with you 100% regarding the ACA train wreck!!! Isn't transparency in government wonderful? Still waiting to see it. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, if 12-18million illegal aliens can break the law by illegally crossing our border (an infraction that can get you shot or imprisioned (as in mexico) in most countries) and our fed govt takes the tactic of ignoring those law breakers -- if we can get a similar number to refuse to enroll will they come after us? Why would they justify chasing down 12-18 million people for not signing on to insurance when they won't chase down a similar number who broke a law (illegally crossing our border0 that is one of the few things the constitution says the federal Government is authorized to do? IMO if we can get a similar number of people to refuse to sign they will find something else to do... Of course, the illegal aliens are potential demorat voters so the powers that be tend to be permissive - while those who might refuse to sign the insurance plan are people who might also be members of Tea Parties. And we already now the administrations vision of the TP. Speaking of illegal aliens breaking a law that the fed now chooses to stop prosecuting, when will they decide murder is OK? Or train/bank robbery? The fed has already chosen to ignore law breakers who intimidate voters. Why not murderers? What has become of America? BTW, I missed the last gun thread --- if I may add a small comment -- instead of doing deep background checks for all gun transfers, how about deep background checks for people wanting to run for office (the job done previously by the news media) and posting any law breaking history on the internet? LarryT 91 300D On 8/8/2013 9:38 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Mountain Man wrote: Craig wrote: Not so, refuse2enroll.com Positively!! But, that makes us outlaws. The law demands that we enroll. ...hmmm... sounds like more biz for private prisons... perhaps... They gotta punish outlaws, no? Or, do outlaws get the dealth panel? mao The lack of enforcement tools takes all the fun out of not paying. However, since I'll be filing a protest return explaining why I'm not even discussing my health insurance with them, there's a fair chance they'll try to prosecute me for exercising my First Amendment rights in the form of a 'tax protest'. http://www.imctr.com/Content.aspx?id=2683 Refusing to Pay The penalty will be paid to the IRS along with an individual’s taxes. The IRS cannot criminally prosecute individuals who refuse to pay the penalty. Also, the IRS cannot file a notice of federal tax lien (NFTL) or “levy any property in an effort to collect the penalty” (CRS, page 7). However, the government could deduct the penalty amount from any IRS tax-funded checks or other government payments. For more information on how the government plans on collecting delinquent payments, click here » Chief Justice John Roberts acknowledged that the penalty amount “will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more.” He, also, went on to add that some Americans may find it a “reasonable financial decision” to pay the penalty rather than purchase insurance. Exemptions, Exemptions Individuals who are not required to file a tax return, or whose income is below the federal poverty line are among those who will be exempt from the mandate’s penalty. For 2012 poverty thresholds, click here » Other exemptions include: * Financial hardship * Religious objections * Those without coverage for less than three months * Undocumented immigrants * Incarcerated individuals * Members of Indian tribes * Those not able to pay for coverage that exceeds 8% of household income ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And we, who are SUPPOSED to be represented, have NO ONE speaking for us. Yep, SOP. business as usual. We get screwed again. Personally I'd like to see DC leave things the hell alone. Go back to maybe 205 or so and lock all laws - remove everything passed after that point and from then on, only laws can be removed from the books but not added. You'd think that after 239 years they would run out of things to make illegal. bzt! wrong! ;-) LarryT On 8/8/2013 6:13 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: the unions don't like it, and the congressional staff don't like it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you said i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare Unfortunately with obamacare there will be no choice - you can wait and see, but you will only see one thing - what they are willing to provide. - the traditional insurance companies are already leaving those states where they cannot make a profit. governments don't need to make a profit - they have the ability to tax .. you will be forced to take whatever the govt wants to give and there will be no competing places to take your business. What the government gives the govt can take away. the comments about being able to keep our insurance companies and doctors may sound great -- until you realize the regulations are written precisely to force the insurance companies out of business, bingo, no more competition. Many doctors are following suit and retiring early or leaving the profession. Soon, the government will be running the medical industry. just like they ran Soc Security, Amtrak, Medicare and all the other business they are running - even though they have no business running businesses. LarryT On 8/1/2013 11:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare. lots of propaganda now but reality will be someone different. maybe good. maybe bad. i will reserve judgment until i see it in action it's like that new google nexus 7. looks GREAT on paper, but i won't consider buying it until it's been out for a few months and has some kind of track record in actual performance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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right, i wish to see what they are willing to provide. we currently have the most broken healthcare non-system in the history of the world and more an more people are being shut out of it. i'd rather take my shot with obamacare rather that stay with the current disaster and i will reserve judgment on it until i see it in action. i may end up unhappy with the results of this but it is the course i intend to take unless someone changes my mind with compelling new facts or logic On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: you said i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare Unfortunately with obamacare there will be no choice - you can wait and see, but you will only see one thing - what they are willing to provide. - the traditional insurance companies are already leaving those states where they cannot make a profit. governments don't need to make a profit - they have the ability to tax .. you will be forced to take whatever the govt wants to give and there will be no competing places to take your business. What the government gives the govt can take away. the comments about being able to keep our insurance companies and doctors may sound great -- until you realize the regulations are written precisely to force the insurance companies out of business, bingo, no more competition. Many doctors are following suit and retiring early or leaving the profession. Soon, the government will be running the medical industry. just like they ran Soc Security, Amtrak, Medicare and all the other business they are running - even though they have no business running businesses. LarryT On 8/1/2013 11:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare. lots of propaganda now but reality will be someone different. maybe good. maybe bad. i will reserve judgment until i see it in action it's like that new google nexus 7. looks GREAT on paper, but i won't consider buying it until it's been out for a few months and has some kind of track record in actual performance. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It will be a worse disaster, so sayeth my in-house medical professional. Think of the IRS, Post Office, DMV, building inspections, and welfare office all running the medical system. --R On 8/8/13 4:11 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: right, i wish to see what they are willing to provide. we currently have the most broken healthcare non-system in the history of the world and more an more people are being shut out of it. i'd rather take my shot with obamacare rather that stay with the current disaster and i will reserve judgment on it until i see it in action. i may end up unhappy with the results of this but it is the course i intend to take unless someone changes my mind with compelling new facts or logic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Whatever you do, do not get bamboozled into SilverScript Rx coverage! These folks are a JOKE! G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary, Let's see...2000 page bill nobody read, changes made to a law by the president and NOT congress, 16,000 pages of regulations that few have actually read. By the time you wait and see what's in it, everyone (except the politicians) will be screwed, including you. ACA is sorta like the Fair Tax...looks reasonable on paper, but a pure train wreck to try to implement. Everyone knows what is wrong with our current health care system, but can congress address those problems, no, they pass a new law to create new/different problems. Just sayin'.. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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--R wrote: It will be a worse disaster, so sayeth my in-house medical professional. Think of the IRS, Post Office, DMV, building inspections, and welfare office all running the medical system. Probably. But... we have not seen it implemented or run. While watching it run or be implemented seems awful, we have zero choice in the matter. More wringing hands and zero choices. Freedom is just a word for nothing left to lose. Plenty of bad things are prophesied, many have not been seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Roger wrote: Everyone knows what is wrong with our current health care system, but.. Yes we do. Read The Law at mises.org or fee.org. Huge money pot waiting to be raided, i.e. insurance $$ is the pot. Eliminate the pot of $$, things have a chance to be priced at market levels. Same with public works, road building, education, military, defense, banking, etc. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I actually one night read whatever version was posted before they voted on something that needed to be passed before we could find out what was in it. I think it was something like 1200 pages, but it was double and triple spaced and had very little on each page. A good part of the law addressed lots of other laws, and adding money to various programs that had nothing to do with health (or medical) care, or maybe peripherally. The parts that were related to health/medical care were pretty much incomprehensible, and referred to setting up various other boards and commissions and such to suss out the details. So basically there was not a lot in there to do with health/medical care and it just sorta kicked it down the road to these various other groups to try to figure out. So basically it spread a lot of money around, and gave the responsibility to bureaucrats who apparently would not really be answerable to any guiding or managing force. I think that is why it is a train wreck and nobody really knows what the hell it actually is, or does, or when, or how. Lucky us. I find it interesting that the unions don't like it, and the congressional staff don't like it. --R On 8/8/13 5:35 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Let's see...2000 page bill nobody read, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 18:13:49 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Lucky us. I find it interesting that the unions don't like it, and the congressional staff don't like it. The unions indeed do not like it. The congressional staff, however, have just been taken care of; they will get their monetary supplements to pay for their coverage. We have to pay for our own. Yes, lucky us. Craig refuse2enroll.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:07:37 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: --R wrote: It will be a worse disaster, so sayeth my in-house medical professional. Think of the IRS, Post Office, DMV, building inspections, and welfare office all running the medical system. Probably. But... we have not seen it implemented or run. While watching it run or be implemented seems awful, we have zero choice in the matter. Not so, refuse2enroll.com More wringing hands and zero choices. Freedom is just a word for nothing left to lose. Plenty of bad things are prophesied, many have not been seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: Not so, refuse2enroll.com Positively!! But, that makes us outlaws. The law demands that we enroll. ...hmmm... sounds like more biz for private prisons... perhaps... They gotta punish outlaws, no? Or, do outlaws get the dealth panel? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man wrote: Craig wrote: Not so, refuse2enroll.com Positively!! But, that makes us outlaws. The law demands that we enroll. ...hmmm... sounds like more biz for private prisons... perhaps... They gotta punish outlaws, no? Or, do outlaws get the dealth panel? mao The lack of enforcement tools takes all the fun out of not paying. However, since I'll be filing a protest return explaining why I'm not even discussing my health insurance with them, there's a fair chance they'll try to prosecute me for exercising my First Amendment rights in the form of a 'tax protest'. http://www.imctr.com/Content.aspx?id=2683 Refusing to Pay The penalty will be paid to the IRS along with an individual’s taxes. The IRS cannot criminally prosecute individuals who refuse to pay the penalty. Also, the IRS cannot file a notice of federal tax lien (NFTL) or “levy any property in an effort to collect the penalty” (CRS, page 7). However, the government could deduct the penalty amount from any IRS tax-funded checks or other government payments. For more information on how the government plans on collecting delinquent payments, click here » Chief Justice John Roberts acknowledged that the penalty amount “will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more.” He, also, went on to add that some Americans may find it a “reasonable financial decision” to pay the penalty rather than purchase insurance. Exemptions, Exemptions Individuals who are not required to file a tax return, or whose income is below the federal poverty line are among those who will be exempt from the mandate’s penalty. For 2012 poverty thresholds, click here » Other exemptions include: * Financial hardship * Religious objections * Those without coverage for less than three months * Undocumented immigrants * Incarcerated individuals * Members of Indian tribes * Those not able to pay for coverage that exceeds 8% of household income ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm going to say the same thing i said before. the current system is unsustainable and sinking. i'd like to see what the new one has to offer in practical terms before passing judgment. it may be the worse disaster of all time, but i'm not commenting until i see it in action On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Gary, Let's see...2000 page bill nobody read, changes made to a law by the president and NOT congress, 16,000 pages of regulations that few have actually read. By the time you wait and see what's in it, everyone (except the politicians) will be screwed, including you. ACA is sorta like the Fair Tax...looks reasonable on paper, but a pure train wreck to try to implement. Everyone knows what is wrong with our current health care system, but can congress address those problems, no, they pass a new law to create new/different problems. Just sayin'.. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: If people refuse to enroll in Obamaʼs Exchanges, Obamacare can be stopped until it is repealed. I like this information, but... Somehow... I doubt much will happen. People love to have health care and want it at prices reflecting Wall Mart sourcing and demanded by the gov't proves best price and care. Sheeple, in otherwords. Too many other fundamental problems will preclude this happening. Debt, education, banking, military, transportation, etc. Not me? I don't visit people. I guess I could try to alienate myself from the checkout counter person at the grocery store. I bet they get all sorts of people doing that. Then too, I don't have $$ to do any health stuff at all, yet I need meds to function, so I live in my kids basement - yes, really. In essence, I refuse2enroll. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare. lots of propaganda now but reality will be someone different. maybe good. maybe bad. i will reserve judgment until i see it in action it's like that new google nexus 7. looks GREAT on paper, but i won't consider buying it until it's been out for a few months and has some kind of track record in actual performance. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: If people refuse to enroll in Obamaʼs Exchanges, Obamacare can be stopped until it is repealed. I like this information, but... Somehow... I doubt much will happen. People love to have health care and want it at prices reflecting Wall Mart sourcing and demanded by the gov't proves best price and care. Sheeple, in otherwords. Too many other fundamental problems will preclude this happening. Debt, education, banking, military, transportation, etc. Not me? I don't visit people. I guess I could try to alienate myself from the checkout counter person at the grocery store. I bet they get all sorts of people doing that. Then too, I don't have $$ to do any health stuff at all, yet I need meds to function, so I live in my kids basement - yes, really. In essence, I refuse2enroll. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
