Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
On 8/21/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why you need to be a chicken liver like me and shy away from tasks such as thermostat RRs. Perhaps there is virtue in my fear. Or is it that caution is the better part of valor. Heck, now I'm just making stuff up. You're not alone, Brian. For example, when I was first learning how to do my own repairs, I shied away from brake jobs for a long time (despite knowing that they were only a little more difficult than an oil change) for fear of screwing up something so critical to safe driving. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
Well, if I recall, your car did need work and you tried to fix it but ran into a problem. Don't feel bad - most of us have been there and done that. Just figure out what is was that went wrong so that you don't repeat the scenario next time. Put the cost down as educational expense. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Now quit that! Gump will be coming out of the shop this week. I swear I thought I could do the fix, though it was not a real needed repair. How was I to know I would booger it all up? clay On 21 Aug 2007, at 14:06, R A Bennell wrote: Ah So! Remember first rule of car repair! Do not fix things that are not broken! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Very good insight. Of course maybe I just like your input because it makes me feel happier than the news that I might need valve seals or worse in an engine that supposedly ony has about 115k mi. on it. :) Brian On 8/21/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so bear with me if someone else has already suggested this. Since you talk about backing out of the garage and up the hill, is it not possible that it is just because you are putting the vehicle under load when it is not yet warmed up? More smoke and a bit of oil might just be an issue while it is cold. I had a situation with my old 68 Chevy pickup a few years back. I was trying to back a travel trailer up an incline in a spot with little room to manouver and as such could get no run at it at all. By the time I got the trailer up the hill the truck was blowing blue smoke real bad. I assumed that I had damaged the motor by forcing it to move the trailer up the hill at low speed. However, that was in 1991. I still have the truck and it is not using oil. It did not seem to suffer any long term issue. It just did it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see
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Just to ad another bit of info: I happened to back my car into a little spot to take the dogs to the beach last evening. As I did so, I got the same smoke and burning oil smell. This is really the only time the care smokes noticeably and definitely the only time it smells this way (to my knowledge). Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
It was a more cosmetic than actual needed repair. The manual shift was sloppy, the bushings at the trans were dead, so I put new ones in. Screwed up the engagement of gears and seem to have locked it. To prevent repeats, I will now take car and idiot self to BiL who earns a living mechanically, and we will have oversight as I screw things up. He will then step forward to apply corrective whacks with snap on tools upside my head so that I cease further work. Then we will figure out how to unfornicate the mess I made so as not to require expensive visits to AAA shop On 22 Aug 2007, at 10:41, R A Bennell wrote: Well, if I recall, your car did need work and you tried to fix it but ran into a problem. Don't feel bad - most of us have been there and done that. Just figure out what is was that went wrong so that you don't repeat the scenario next time. Put the cost down as educational expense. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Now quit that! Gump will be coming out of the shop this week. I swear I thought I could do the fix, though it was not a real needed repair. How was I to know I would booger it all up? clay On 21 Aug 2007, at 14:06, R A Bennell wrote: Ah So! Remember first rule of car repair! Do not fix things that are not broken! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Very good insight. Of course maybe I just like your input because it makes me feel happier than the news that I might need valve seals or worse in an engine that supposedly ony has about 115k mi. on it. :) Brian On 8/21/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so bear with me if someone else has already suggested this. Since you talk about backing out of the garage and up the hill, is it not possible that it is just because you are putting the vehicle under load when it is not yet warmed up? More smoke and a bit of oil might just be an issue while it is cold. I had a situation with my old 68 Chevy pickup a few years back. I was trying to back a travel trailer up an incline in a spot with little room to manouver and as such could get no run at it at all. By the time I got the trailer up the hill the truck was blowing blue smoke real bad. I assumed that I had damaged the motor by forcing it to move the trailer up the hill at low speed. However, that was in 1991. I still have the truck and it is not using oil. It did not seem to suffer any long term issue. It just did it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
It seems than at Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:52:25 -0500, Peter wrote: Time for valve guide seals -- at a steep rearward angle, oil covers the valve stems on the back cylinder (or two) and if you have worn valve guide seals (or more likely, worn guides) oil will get sucked down and burn. Make sure the drain hole in the back of the head is clear. If he's _backing_ up the hill, the oil will end up at the _front_ of the engine. Otherwise, this is a viable explanation. (just exchange the words front and back) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
Zoltan Finks wrote: Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. You need valve seals or guides AND seals. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:20:14 -0500, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. You need valve seals or guides AND seals. Marshall -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That depends how bad they are, I have heard stories of cars using liters of oil per 100ks, however from personal experience it is nothing unmanageable. I had a Missingbitzi 4 cylinder petrol car that had leaky valve stem seals in all the time I owned it and from memory I put about 1 litre for every 500k's into it or in other words 1 liter every time I fueled up. Luther wrote: How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? As much oil as you've got when it gets bad enough! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bad enough is being able to wiggle 3 of the stems back and forth by hand? On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:50:47 -0500, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? As much oil as you've got when it gets bad enough! Marshall -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well look at it this way, you just change the filter and add oil. Think of the time you will save if you never need to recycle the used oil. That reminds me, I just resealed my 117 motor in the 560SEL, but forgot to replace valve guide seals. I guess I will need to do that next year. The 117s need them around 150-180k miles. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Luther wrote: How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? As much oil as you've got when it gets bad enough! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This could also be a failing diaphram in the vacuum pump. Ask me how I know. --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need valve seals or guides AND seals. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That reminds me, I just resealed my 117 motor in the 560SEL, but forgot to replace valve guide seals. I guess I will need to do that next year. The 117s need them around 150-180k miles. At least it's fairly easy to do those in place, no need to remove the heads. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How do you know? --R Zach wrote: This could also be a failing diaphram in the vacuum pump. Ask me how I know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the oil sloshes forward while the car is tilte4d forward it can briefly pool behind the vacuum pump diaphram, if there is a crack in the rubber it can get sucked through and be pumped into the intake with a resulting cloud of smoke... In my case it was while going down a steep hill and then slowing down suddenly, the quantity was sufficient to make the engine run uncontrolled on the motor oil with a corresponding cloud of smoke... -Zach --- Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know? --R Zach wrote: This could also be a failing diaphram in the vacuum pump. Ask me how I know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
I admit that I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so bear with me if someone else has already suggested this. Since you talk about backing out of the garage and up the hill, is it not possible that it is just because you are putting the vehicle under load when it is not yet warmed up? More smoke and a bit of oil might just be an issue while it is cold. I had a situation with my old 68 Chevy pickup a few years back. I was trying to back a travel trailer up an incline in a spot with little room to manouver and as such could get no run at it at all. By the time I got the trailer up the hill the truck was blowing blue smoke real bad. I assumed that I had damaged the motor by forcing it to move the trailer up the hill at low speed. However, that was in 1991. I still have the truck and it is not using oil. It did not seem to suffer any long term issue. It just did it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very good insight. Of course maybe I just like your input because it makes me feel happier than the news that I might need valve seals or worse in an engine that supposedly ony has about 115k mi. on it. :) Brian On 8/21/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so bear with me if someone else has already suggested this. Since you talk about backing out of the garage and up the hill, is it not possible that it is just because you are putting the vehicle under load when it is not yet warmed up? More smoke and a bit of oil might just be an issue while it is cold. I had a situation with my old 68 Chevy pickup a few years back. I was trying to back a travel trailer up an incline in a spot with little room to manouver and as such could get no run at it at all. By the time I got the trailer up the hill the truck was blowing blue smoke real bad. I assumed that I had damaged the motor by forcing it to move the trailer up the hill at low speed. However, that was in 1991. I still have the truck and it is not using oil. It did not seem to suffer any long term issue. It just did it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah So! Remember first rule of car repair! Do not fix things that are not broken! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Very good insight. Of course maybe I just like your input because it makes me feel happier than the news that I might need valve seals or worse in an engine that supposedly ony has about 115k mi. on it. :) Brian On 8/21/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so bear with me if someone else has already suggested this. Since you talk about backing out of the garage and up the hill, is it not possible that it is just because you are putting the vehicle under load when it is not yet warmed up? More smoke and a bit of oil might just be an issue while it is cold. I had a situation with my old 68 Chevy pickup a few years back. I was trying to back a travel trailer up an incline in a spot with little room to manouver and as such could get no run at it at all. By the time I got the trailer up the hill the truck was blowing blue smoke real bad. I assumed that I had damaged the motor by forcing it to move the trailer up the hill at low speed. However, that was in 1991. I still have the truck and it is not using oil. It did not seem to suffer any long term issue. It just did it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage
Now quit that! Gump will be coming out of the shop this week. I swear I thought I could do the fix, though it was not a real needed repair. How was I to know I would booger it all up? clay On 21 Aug 2007, at 14:06, R A Bennell wrote: Ah So! Remember first rule of car repair! Do not fix things that are not broken! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Very good insight. Of course maybe I just like your input because it makes me feel happier than the news that I might need valve seals or worse in an engine that supposedly ony has about 115k mi. on it. :) Brian On 8/21/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so bear with me if someone else has already suggested this. Since you talk about backing out of the garage and up the hill, is it not possible that it is just because you are putting the vehicle under load when it is not yet warmed up? More smoke and a bit of oil might just be an issue while it is cold. I had a situation with my old 68 Chevy pickup a few years back. I was trying to back a travel trailer up an incline in a spot with little room to manouver and as such could get no run at it at all. By the time I got the trailer up the hill the truck was blowing blue smoke real bad. I assumed that I had damaged the motor by forcing it to move the trailer up the hill at low speed. However, that was in 1991. I still have the truck and it is not using oil. It did not seem to suffer any long term issue. It just did it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I drive. Another note: I recently added oil. The level was just above the add mark, and this with the engine completely cold and not run for a day or so. So I assumed that if it were to be run and cooled and the level checked, the level would be a bit lower. So I intended to add a pint, which I thought would bring the level up to half way between the add and full marks - where it should be, right? But I accidentally added 2/3 of a quart. So perhaps its being a bit fuller than it likes contributes to the described smoking condition? Brian 83 240D On 8/21/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I smelled burning oil. Was wondering if somehow the angle of the car coupled with the inertia of moving backward could cause the engine to burn some oil? I don't know how this would specifically work, it's just a bit of general detective work. Brian 83 240D - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's why you need to be a chicken liver like me and shy away from tasks such as thermostat RRs. Perhaps there is virtue in my fear. Or is it that caution is the better part of valor. Heck, now I'm just making stuff up. Brian On 8/21/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now quit that! Gump will be coming out of the shop this week. I swear I thought I could do the fix, though it was not a real needed repair. How was I to know I would booger it all up? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Time for valve guide seals -- at a steep rearward angle, oil covers the valve stems on the back cylinder (or two) and if you have worn valve guide seals (or more likely, worn guides) oil will get sucked down and burn. Make sure the drain hole in the back of the head is clear. If you are seeing smoke, it's substantial. You may also be spilling oil out of the recovery apparatus in the air filter housing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
