Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act
You asked what exactly qualifies one for the position of Presidency? For one thing, some experience - 2 years of staying in the background doesnt; count - there needs to be some leadership shown. Also, someone with business background and economics would help so they might understand how the laws they pass affect the lives of real people. Add to that honesty, integrity, toughness as you suggest. These qualities would be what I would hope for in Congress or the Pres. Unfortunately all we ever elect (mostly) are lawyers who have never held a real job. BTW, by real job I mean something where they need to find/depend on customers, meet payroll and complete the gazillion gov forms and jump thru the other loops the gov comes up with. The fact that our economy grows at a record rate is nothing short of miraculous considering all the roadblocks the Gov puts up! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act Well this begs the question, what exactly qualifies one for the position of Presidency? Is is honesty, integrity, toughness, the ability to compromise, looking good on TV, great social skills, having rich mates, or what? End of the day the President is just a mouth piece for the real powers. We all know what happens if the Pres don't play ball. So I guess the answer is that Obama can create an illusion that the voters can believe in. Once in office it don't matter if he can't tie his own shoe laces, as long as the voters think he can. There may well lots of better qualified people but if they come across as lame on TV then they are not gonna win. Hendrik who is ineligible for the position because I wasn't born in the US of A Rich Thomas wrote: I think I asked you before, and you never answered -- what exactly does Obama have in the way of experience or skills, other than giving a good speech, that would qualify him to be CEO of a trillion-dollar economy? I have asked many of my liberal friends (I have lots!) and I can never SNIPPED ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act
Hi Rich, I doubt you'll get a serious answer to your question. I had similar reservations about Clinton (besides his obvious problem with the truth) but at least he had the experience of running Ark. Not the largest organization in the world but better than nothing. osama does not even have this qualification. I find it odd that some people say they vote Democrat all the time - they haven't really accomplished anything in the last 50 years. Not that the Republicans have done much better - their expansion of govt outpaced the Dems recently. Pork has no favorites when it comes to parties. Naturally I'd like to see some candidates who can read and actually understand the Constitution - so when they put their hand on the Bible and swear to protect the Constitution they might actually do it. For all the good it does they could forget the swearing in and just say, Congratulation Dude, you won - now go to work, unless you want to hang around here and help clean up after this stupid inaugural parade? We need a bunch of them in Congress as well as the WH before things will start to look up. But I suspect for now, the candidates - for all their intelligence - cannot comprehend the meaning of the Constitution. For all his other faults, Ron Paul at least has a voting record to show what he stands for. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act I think I asked you before, and you never answered -- what exactly does Obama have in the way of experience or skills, other than giving a good speech, that would qualify him to be CEO of a trillion-dollar economy? I have asked many of my liberal friends (I have lots!) and I can never get an answer from them, as they appear to have no idea either. He's clearly a smart guy, but there are lots of smart people around, and he gives great speeches, and there are lots of people who give great speeches, but other than that, I can't really see anything that remotely qualifies him for the job of president. Would you hire him to run Exxon, or Microsoft, or IBM, or British Airways, or any other large multinational company? What would his qualifications be for that job, which is clearly less demanding than being president of the US? I ask this question in all seriousness, really trying to understand what exactly it is that would make him a good leader of our country, and a significant part of the planet. And please don't say, yeah but what about Bush -- that is not an answer, that is the same kind of non-answer most of my lib friends provide because they can't give a good answer (and they get really noodgie when I keep pressing them). I have this fleeting feeling occasionally, that well, a guy like that might be OK, but then I think realistically, and have no answer to that question. I have worked with too many fast-talkers who are nothing but BS to have a pretty sensitive bullshitometer, and BHO sends it right up my scale. Educate me (and us, or those who care anyway). BTW I think the discussion on this topic has been very mature and interesting -- it shows we are a group of pretty good people who actually care and think. Must be why we all buy old clapped-out Benzes. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I am trying really hard to keep my mouth shut here, but must interject. As a Dem Official (county level), my best guess is Obama/Richardson. You have a black and a Hispanic -- and a Kaleb coronary. In my opinion, Richardson would be the candidate if he didn't have my sort of laid-back way of talking. Reminds me of me. He doesn't grab the microphone and make folks stand up and cheer. But he is a really smart and experienced guy. Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act
Don wrote No one who is qualified, would run for, much less accept, the Presidency Amen to THAT!! I can't see why anyone would open themselves to the scrutiny of the media - people who will literally do anything to dig up some dirt - especially if the media dislikes them. I guess some people want power so bad that they'll do anything to get it. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act Hey, I resemble that remark! (though my last two are pretty nice!) To answer your question, the best I can do is repeat No one who is qualified, would run for, much less accept, the Presidency! . Must be why we all buy old clapped-out Benzes. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Naturally I'd like to see some candidates who can read and actually understand the Constitution Well, that leaves out democrat senators Russ Feingold and John McCain. Not to mention BHO, HRC, GWB, etc, etc. If you wanted to prosecute violation of an oath to uphold the Constitution as an act of treason, 535 public hangings on the Mall would be a nice start. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don, much as I love the guy, I have it third hand but on VERY good authority that Richardson could NEVER be the veep candidate. I can't disclose why, but take it from me - it won't happen. He will, however, make a truly rgeat greatest Sec. of State. :)) Mercedes content: 1983 300TD (3) On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying really hard to keep my mouth shut here, but must interject. As a Dem Official (county level), my best guess is Obama/Richardson. You have a black and a Hispanic -- and a Kaleb coronary. In my opinion, Richardson would be the candidate if he didn't have my sort of laid-back way of talking. Reminds me of me. He doesn't grab the microphone and make folks stand up and cheer. But he is a really smart and experienced guy. Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act
Didn't the clintons have some financial ties to the Saudi royal family? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act At least he hasn't been bailed out of his failed business ventures by the Saudi Royal Family. I'd hire him in a heartbeat over GWB twice a second. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought that was the Riadys in Indonesia. Wonder if they are realted to Obama's father in law. LarryT wrote: Didn't the clintons have some financial ties to the Saudi royal family? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act At least he hasn't been bailed out of his failed business ventures by the Saudi Royal Family. I'd hire him in a heartbeat over GWB twice a second. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That might get their attention - perhaps their replacements might give some thoughts to the words they say. Political promises are nothing but Lies - nothing else. I hate it when the media dismisses campaign promises as irrelevant as if they have no bearing on anything. If we cannot believe what they say when campaigning why should we *ever* believe them? Actually, I hold the media responsible for most of the problems in this country. They should be watching those 535 men women like eagles and report on their service to the country. Not make wild dramatic accusations, etc but report on their actual activity. One thing about elections in general - why do Repub senators when running for higher office drop out of the senate while the dems hold on to their seat? don't they think they'll win? BTW, has Mccain resigned his senate seat yet? Maybe he's waiting for his medicare to kick in? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act LarryT wrote: Naturally I'd like to see some candidates who can read and actually understand the Constitution Well, that leaves out democrat senators Russ Feingold and John McCain. Not to mention BHO, HRC, GWB, etc, etc. If you wanted to prosecute violation of an oath to uphold the Constitution as an act of treason, 535 public hangings on the Mall would be a nice start. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: BTW, has Mccain resigned his senate seat yet? Maybe he's waiting for his medicare to kick in? If he wins the POTUS election, I expect him to resign in November or December. If he loses, he'll probably wait for the 2010 or 2016 elections to quit. Obama actually started paying some attention to the Senate about six months ago, a job he tried very hard not to perform in 2005-2007. If you don't introduce anything or vote on anything, then there's nothing people can complain about, except maybe accuse you of embezzlement when you cash a paycheck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hitler also promised to change things, look how that turned out. Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf, when you look forward to Obama as POTUS, is that just a prediction, or something you wish for? The only optomism I now feel for this race is the possibility that the Republicrat Party might get less than 2/3 of the vote. Under 3/4 would still make me happy. I recently saw a poll that put McLame and Osama at 44% and 40%, don't remember which was winning, but 84% seems way too high considering the dissatisfaction I've been hearing about. I wanna see one of these creeps win the presidency with 30% of the vote, that'll give him the mandate he deserves. I hadn't checked CPUSA in many months, so I thought they weren't coming close to endorsing a candidate yet. I did some reading there today, and it seems like the National Party Chair is pushing Obama, although he does say that HRC's stated positions are better from the Communist point of view: http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/928/1/147/ Not since Bobby Kennedy has a leader stepped on the stage with as much promise to reconfigure politics and the underlying assumptions that inform debate and policy choices. His ability to articulate a vision, give voice to people’s hopes, and use the platform of politics to educate millions is extraordinary. On paper, it’s true that some of Clinton’s positions, not to mention those of Edwards and Kucinich, are better than Obama’s. But in many ways policy statements and party platforms are not the main things that should shape judgments about a presidential candidate’s potential or the prospects for change. This is looking at politics too narrowly. It doesn’t take into account who can inspire and unite this massive upsurge, or who can articulate a moral and political vision to tens of millions, or who has the capacity to assemble political majorities in the post-election period, or who has the ability to win a landslide victory against McCain and the Republicans in November. On these counts, advantage goes to Obama in the eyes of many voters. That isn’t to say that Clinton wouldn’t be a worthy adversary to McCain. She would. Nor is it to suggest that she couldn’t win in a landslide. She can. But it would be much more difficult. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lets pray not Wonko the Sane wrote: Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well this begs the question, what exactly qualifies one for the position of Presidency? Is is honesty, integrity, toughness, the ability to compromise, looking good on TV, great social skills, having rich mates, or what? End of the day the President is just a mouth piece for the real powers. We all know what happens if the Pres don't play ball. So I guess the answer is that Obama can create an illusion that the voters can believe in. Once in office it don't matter if he can't tie his own shoe laces, as long as the voters think he can. There may well lots of better qualified people but if they come across as lame on TV then they are not gonna win. Hendrik who is ineligible for the position because I wasn't born in the US of A Rich Thomas wrote: I think I asked you before, and you never answered -- what exactly does Obama have in the way of experience or skills, other than giving a good speech, that would qualify him to be CEO of a trillion-dollar economy? I have asked many of my liberal friends (I have lots!) and I can never SNIPPED ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act
Rolf, when you look forward to Obama as POTUS, is that just a prediction, or something you wish for? The only optomism I now feel for this race is the possibility that the Republicrat Party might get less than 2/3 of the vote. Under 3/4 would still make me happy. I recently saw a poll that put McLame and Osama at 44% and 40%, don't remember which was winning, but 84% seems way too high considering the dissatisfaction I've been hearing about. I wanna see one of these creeps win the presidency with 30% of the vote, that'll give him the mandate he deserves. I hadn't checked CPUSA in many months, so I thought they weren't coming close to endorsing a candidate yet. I did some reading there today, and it seems like the National Party Chair is pushing Obama, although he does say that HRC's stated positions are better from the Communist point of view: http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/928/1/147/ Not since Bobby Kennedy has a leader stepped on the stage with as much promise to reconfigure politics and the underlying assumptions that inform debate and policy choices. His ability to articulate a vision, give voice to peoples hopes, and use the platform of politics to educate millions is extraordinary. On paper, its true that some of Clintons positions, not to mention those of Edwards and Kucinich, are better than Obamas. But in many ways policy statements and party platforms are not the main things that should shape judgments about a presidential candidates potential or the prospects for change. This is looking at politics too narrowly. It doesnt take into account who can inspire and unite this massive upsurge, or who can articulate a moral and political vision to tens of millions, or who has the capacity to assemble political majorities in the post-election period, or who has the ability to win a landslide victory against McCain and the Republicans in November. On these counts, advantage goes to Obama in the eyes of many voters. That isnt to say that Clinton wouldnt be a worthy adversary to McCain. She would. Nor is it to suggest that she couldnt win in a landslide. She can. But it would be much more difficult. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Both perhaps. I personally will be happy with either candidate. I voted for McCain (I vote Dem in the real races) in the primaries under the premise that I vote for the person I like the most on the other side, if my side loses its still hopefully win win. The hurdles I see for the GOP are many and large. 1. McCain is dog old and another 4 years pushing it. 2. He did a lot of flip flopping under Bush. He went from the party rebel to towing the line. I used to have a lot of respect for him, he did what every Vet should do, speak up. 3. Any GOP is candidate will have a hard time distancing themselves from what is probably going to be the worst presidency ever. 4. He isn't making any real changes in Iraq, I have yet to hear him say anything about what he plans to do about our current state of diplomatic affairs. 5. Every American is tightening their belts, GOP always does poorly during these times because they come across as pro business (which they are). 6. Obama is an incredible public speaker, the best we have had since Reagan. (and he might even be better). 7. Americans are all ready for a change, even if most of us don't know what change that is. 8. Unlike McCain, Obama has little to no history to mudsling against. The tv can talk about his priest all day long but we are all going to get tired of church and state discussions. The clincher will be the VP ticket for him. Rice might do the trick. There is no way Hillary could ever win in a landslide. I really truly wish McCain had won the GOP nod in '00. With Obama in the real race now I think that the youths and minorities are going to come out voting in full swing. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf, when you look forward to Obama as POTUS, is that just a prediction, or something you wish for? The only optomism I now feel for this race is the possibility that the Republicrat Party might get less than 2/3 of the vote. Under 3/4 would still make me happy. I recently saw a poll that put McLame and Osama at 44% and 40%, don't remember which was winning, but 84% seems way too high considering the dissatisfaction I've been hearing about. I wanna see one of these creeps win the presidency with 30% of the vote, that'll give him the mandate he deserves. I hadn't checked CPUSA in many months, so I thought they weren't coming close to endorsing a candidate yet. I did some reading there today, and it seems like the National Party Chair is pushing Obama, although he does say that HRC's stated positions are better from the Communist point of view: http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/928/1/147/ Not since Bobby Kennedy has a leader stepped on the stage with as much promise to reconfigure politics and the underlying assumptions that inform debate and policy choices. His ability to articulate a vision, give voice to people’s hopes, and use the platform of politics to educate millions is extraordinary. On paper, it’s true that some of Clinton’s positions, not to mention those of Edwards and Kucinich, are better than Obama’s. But in many ways policy statements and party platforms are not the main things that should shape judgments about a presidential candidate’s potential or the prospects for change. This is looking at politics too narrowly. It doesn’t take into account who can inspire and unite this massive upsurge, or who can articulate a moral and political vision to tens of millions, or who has the capacity to assemble political majorities in the post-election period, or who has the ability to win a landslide victory against McCain and the Republicans in November. On these counts, advantage goes to Obama in the eyes of many voters. That isn’t to say that Clinton wouldn’t be a worthy adversary to McCain. She would. Nor is it to suggest that she couldn’t win in a landslide. She can. But it would be much more difficult. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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History shows that the VP choice is worth about a 2 pct. point bounce. Besides, he needs a running mate with a domestic policy background (e.g., a popular Gov.) to round out the ticket. Another foreign policy specialist won't do that On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both perhaps. I personally will be happy with either candidate. I voted for McCain (I vote Dem in the real races) in the primaries under the premise that I vote for the person I like the most on the other side, if my side loses its still hopefully win win. The hurdles I see for the GOP are many and large. 1. McCain is dog old and another 4 years pushing it. 2. He did a lot of flip flopping under Bush. He went from the party rebel to towing the line. I used to have a lot of respect for him, he did what every Vet should do, speak up. 3. Any GOP is candidate will have a hard time distancing themselves from what is probably going to be the worst presidency ever. 4. He isn't making any real changes in Iraq, I have yet to hear him say anything about what he plans to do about our current state of diplomatic affairs. 5. Every American is tightening their belts, GOP always does poorly during these times because they come across as pro business (which they are). 6. Obama is an incredible public speaker, the best we have had since Reagan. (and he might even be better). 7. Americans are all ready for a change, even if most of us don't know what change that is. 8. Unlike McCain, Obama has little to no history to mudsling against. The tv can talk about his priest all day long but we are all going to get tired of church and state discussions. The clincher will be the VP ticket for him. Rice might do the trick. There is no way Hillary could ever win in a landslide. I really truly wish McCain had won the GOP nod in '00. With Obama in the real race now I think that the youths and minorities are going to come out voting in full swing. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf, when you look forward to Obama as POTUS, is that just a prediction, or something you wish for? The only optomism I now feel for this race is the possibility that the Republicrat Party might get less than 2/3 of the vote. Under 3/4 would still make me happy. I recently saw a poll that put McLame and Osama at 44% and 40%, don't remember which was winning, but 84% seems way too high considering the dissatisfaction I've been hearing about. I wanna see one of these creeps win the presidency with 30% of the vote, that'll give him the mandate he deserves. I hadn't checked CPUSA in many months, so I thought they weren't coming close to endorsing a candidate yet. I did some reading there today, and it seems like the National Party Chair is pushing Obama, although he does say that HRC's stated positions are better from the Communist point of view: http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/928/1/147/ Not since Bobby Kennedy has a leader stepped on the stage with as much promise to reconfigure politics and the underlying assumptions that inform debate and policy choices. His ability to articulate a vision, give voice to people's hopes, and use the platform of politics to educate millions is extraordinary. On paper, it's true that some of Clinton's positions, not to mention those of Edwards and Kucinich, are better than Obama's. But in many ways policy statements and party platforms are not the main things that should shape judgments about a presidential candidate's potential or the prospects for change. This is looking at politics too narrowly. It doesn't take into account who can inspire and unite this massive upsurge, or who can articulate a moral and political vision to tens of millions, or who has the capacity to assemble political majorities in the post-election period, or who has the ability to win a landslide victory against McCain and the Republicans in November. On these counts, advantage goes to Obama in the eyes of many voters. That isn't to say that Clinton wouldn't be a worthy adversary to McCain. She would. Nor is it to suggest that she couldn't win in a landslide. She can. But it would be much more difficult. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL
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While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: I don't see any advantage to Obama having Hillary as the VP. Granted, it will tend to bring some of the votes over to him for those who see her as an asset to the administration, but I can't imagine those who are pissed about her losing the nomination will do it, knowing that the VP position is pretty much a dead end. As for Obama, I think he would be nuts to sign her on as his veep. I would be looking over my shoulder all the time if I was him, half expecting her to try and push her husband's agenda and undermining any efforts to enact policies or laws that don't advance she (and her husband's) political agendas. Just my $0.02, for what it's worth... Dan --- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: History shows that the VP choice is worth about a 2 pct. point bounce. Besides, he needs a running mate with a domestic policy background (e.g., a popular Gov.) to round out the ticket. Another foreign policy specialist won't do that On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both perhaps. I personally will be happy with either candidate. I voted for McCain (I vote Dem in the real races) in the primaries under the premise that I vote for the person I like the most on the other side, if my side loses its still hopefully win win. The hurdles I see for the GOP are many and large. 1. McCain is dog old and another 4 years pushing it. 2. He did a lot of flip flopping under Bush. He went from the party rebel to towing the line. I used to have a lot of respect for him, he did what every Vet should do, speak up. 3. Any GOP is candidate will have a hard time distancing themselves from what is probably going to be the worst presidency ever. 4. He isn't making any real changes in Iraq, I have yet to hear him say anything about what he plans to do about our current state of diplomatic affairs. 5. Every American is tightening their belts, GOP always does poorly during these times because they come across as pro business (which they are). 6. Obama is an incredible public speaker, the best we have had since Reagan. (and he might even be better). 7. Americans are all ready for a change, even if most of us don't know what change that is. 8. Unlike McCain, Obama has little to no history to mudsling against. The tv can talk about his priest all day long but we are all going to get tired of church and state discussions. The clincher will be the VP ticket for him. Rice might do the trick. There is no way Hillary could ever win in a landslide. I really truly wish McCain had won the GOP nod in '00. With Obama in the real race now I think that the youths and minorities are going to come out voting in full swing. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf, when you look forward to Obama as POTUS, is that just a prediction, or something you wish for? The only optomism I now feel for this race is the possibility that the Republicrat Party might get less than 2/3 of the vote. Under 3/4 would still make me happy. I recently saw a poll that put McLame and Osama at 44% and 40%, don't remember which was winning, but 84% seems way too high considering the dissatisfaction I've been hearing about. I wanna see one of these creeps win the presidency with 30% of the vote, that'll give him the mandate he deserves. I hadn't checked CPUSA in many months, so I thought they weren't coming close to endorsing a candidate yet. I did some reading there today, and it seems like the National Party Chair is pushing Obama, although he does say that HRC's stated positions are better from the Communist point of view: http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/928/1/147/ Not since Bobby Kennedy has a leader stepped on the stage with as much promise to reconfigure politics and the underlying assumptions that inform debate and policy choices. His ability to articulate a vision, give voice to people's hopes, and use the platform of politics to educate millions is extraordinary. On paper, it's true that some of Clinton's positions, not to mention those of Edwards and Kucinich, are better than Obama's. But in many ways policy statements and party platforms are not the main things that should shape judgments about a presidential candidate's potential or the prospects for change. This is looking at politics too narrowly. It doesn't take into account who can inspire and unite this massive upsurge, or who can articulate a moral and political vision to tens of millions, or who has the capacity to assemble political majorities in the post-election period, or who has the ability to win a landslide victory against McCain and the Republicans in November. On these counts, advantage goes to Obama
Re: [MBZ] Further OT politics, was America's Climate Security Act
I don't really like the way she got nasty when things weren't going her way. This is what probably caused her to fail, rather than focusing on a vision for the future she choose to do the easy thing. This shows a lack of fortitude, which is a requirement of the presidency. I really don't think she has what it takes to lead the US (after the KKK shots Obama), especially seeing that there might be a rough road ahead. However what are the alternatives for a VP? Personally I think someone 'traditional' would be best, cause you gotta remember that there are a lot of racists and sexists people out there but luckily they are usually one and the same and those types vote right wing no matter what. Hendrik LWB250 wrote: While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: I don't see any advantage to Obama having Hillary as the VP. Granted, it will tend to bring some of the votes over to him for those who see her as an asset to the administration, but I can't imagine those who are pissed about her losing the nomination will do it, knowing that the VP position is pretty much a dead end. As for Obama, I think he would be nuts to sign her on as his veep. I would be looking over my shoulder all the time if I was him, half expecting her to try and push her husband's agenda and undermining any efforts to enact policies or laws that don't advance she (and her husband's) political agendas. Just my $0.02, for what it's worth... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am trying really hard to keep my mouth shut here, but must interject. As a Dem Official (county level), my best guess is Obama/Richardson. You have a black and a Hispanic -- and a Kaleb coronary. In my opinion, Richardson would be the candidate if he didn't have my sort of laid-back way of talking. Reminds me of me. He doesn't grab the microphone and make folks stand up and cheer. But he is a really smart and experienced guy. Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I haven't followed the secondary stuff with the Dems, so I have absolutely no idea who might be under consideration for the veep. Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying really hard to keep my mouth shut here, but must interject. As a Dem Official (county level), my best guess is Obama/Richardson. You have a black and a Hispanic -- and a Kaleb coronary. In my opinion, Richardson would be the candidate if he didn't have my sort of laid-back way of talking. Reminds me of me. He doesn't grab the microphone and make folks stand up and cheer. But he is a really smart and experienced guy. Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. You're probably right. I mentioned that privately to Andy after he suggested Osama needed a governor. It would explain why Richardson endorsed Osama, I just about fainted when that was announced. Eddie Kennedy surprised me, I thought he'd endorse Edwards or Clinton after Edwards dropped out, but hearing the endorsement from Richardson just floored me. Richardson has a better Republican record than 80% of the Republican party members currently serving in DC, and Osama makes Kennedy look conservative. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I really don't think she has what it takes to lead the US (after the KKK shots Obama), She wants it so bad, with a BO/HC ticket I'd think that he should be worried about her bumping him off, either literally or figuratively. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: She wants it so bad, with a BO/HC ticket I'd think that he should be worried about her bumping him off, either literally or figuratively. I was trying biting my tongue and leaving Vince Foster out of this discussion. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think I asked you before, and you never answered -- what exactly does Obama have in the way of experience or skills, other than giving a good speech, that would qualify him to be CEO of a trillion-dollar economy? I have asked many of my liberal friends (I have lots!) and I can never get an answer from them, as they appear to have no idea either. He's clearly a smart guy, but there are lots of smart people around, and he gives great speeches, and there are lots of people who give great speeches, but other than that, I can't really see anything that remotely qualifies him for the job of president. Would you hire him to run Exxon, or Microsoft, or IBM, or British Airways, or any other large multinational company? What would his qualifications be for that job, which is clearly less demanding than being president of the US? I ask this question in all seriousness, really trying to understand what exactly it is that would make him a good leader of our country, and a significant part of the planet. And please don't say, yeah but what about Bush -- that is not an answer, that is the same kind of non-answer most of my lib friends provide because they can't give a good answer (and they get really noodgie when I keep pressing them). I have this fleeting feeling occasionally, that well, a guy like that might be OK, but then I think realistically, and have no answer to that question. I have worked with too many fast-talkers who are nothing but BS to have a pretty sensitive bullshitometer, and BHO sends it right up my scale. Educate me (and us, or those who care anyway). BTW I think the discussion on this topic has been very mature and interesting -- it shows we are a group of pretty good people who actually care and think. Must be why we all buy old clapped-out Benzes. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I am trying really hard to keep my mouth shut here, but must interject. As a Dem Official (county level), my best guess is Obama/Richardson. You have a black and a Hispanic -- and a Kaleb coronary. In my opinion, Richardson would be the candidate if he didn't have my sort of laid-back way of talking. Reminds me of me. He doesn't grab the microphone and make folks stand up and cheer. But he is a really smart and experienced guy. Obama / Richardson is a winning ticket. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do my best to avoid discussing politics, here is my take on the current situation with the Democrats: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey, I resemble that remark! (though my last two are pretty nice!) To answer your question, the best I can do is repeat No one who is qualified, would run for, much less accept, the Presidency! . Must be why we all buy old clapped-out Benzes. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At least he hasn't been bailed out of his failed business ventures by the Saudi Royal Family. I'd hire him in a heartbeat over GWB twice a second. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bo/Hick I like that! a new term in the language! A good one to join bohunk, hochunk and the like At 09:11 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote: I really don't think she has what it takes to lead the US (after the KKK shots Obama), She wants it so bad, with a BO/HC ticket I'd think that he should be worried about her bumping him off, either literally or figuratively. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
