Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I normally carry a can with me in the tool box.  Makes play dates at PnP much 
nicer.  Last visit to the PnP the can leaked… all the fluid… into my tool box.  
I will not need to worry about rusty tools for a VERY LONG TIME.  Now I need to 
get another can.

clay

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kroil.  Wonderful stuff, does everything people says it will and more.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:25 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok,  I will take a stab at loosening the connections before I take on the 
>> whole job.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clay sez:
>>> 
 ‎ I am thinking FIRE, or maybe >penetrating lube.
>>> 
>>> Heat, then quench with cold water from a spray bottle. Repeat several 
>>> times. Remember, brake fluid, and brake caliper components (think rubber 
>>> bits) are designed to withstand temps to several hundred degrees 
>>> Fahrenheit. Get it hot, but not TOO hot. Oh yeah, and have fire protection 
>>> on hand... Brake fluid happens to be flammable. 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Smells good too, unlike PB Blaster...
-Curt


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Kroil.  Wonderful stuff, does everything people says it will and more.

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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:25 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok,  I will take a stab at loosening the connections before I take on the 
> whole job.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Clay sez:
>> 
>>> ‎ I am thinking FIRE, or maybe >penetrating lube.
>> 
>> Heat, then quench with cold water from a spray bottle. Repeat several times. 
>> Remember, brake fluid, and brake caliper components (think rubber bits) are 
>> designed to withstand temps to several hundred degrees Fahrenheit. Get it 
>> hot, but not TOO hot. Oh yeah, and have fire protection on hand... Brake 
>> fluid happens to be flammable. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Kroil.  Wonderful stuff, does everything people says it will and more.

Dan


> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:25 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Ok,  I will take a stab at loosening the connections before I take on the 
> whole job.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Clay sez:
>> 
>>> ‎ I am thinking FIRE, or maybe >penetrating lube.
>> 
>> Heat, then quench with cold water from a spray bottle. Repeat several times. 
>> Remember, brake fluid, and brake caliper components (think rubber bits) are 
>> designed to withstand temps to several hundred degrees Fahrenheit. Get it 
>> hot, but not TOO hot. Oh yeah, and have fire protection on hand... Brake 
>> fluid happens to be flammable. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

Ok,  I will take a stab at loosening the connections before I take on the whole 
job.

clay

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay sez:
> 
>> ‎ I am thinking FIRE, or maybe >penetrating lube.
> 
> Heat, then quench with cold water from a spray bottle. Repeat several times. 
> Remember, brake fluid, and brake caliper components (think rubber bits) are 
> designed to withstand temps to several hundred degrees Fahrenheit. Get it 
> hot, but not TOO hot. Oh yeah, and have fire protection on hand... Brake 
> fluid happens to be flammable. 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd say start soaking them with penetrating oil, leave all the dirt and rust 
etc. in place to act as sponge to hold more oil and let them stew.  I'll bet if 
you can keep them wet with oil for 24 hours or longer, they'll come apart like 
butter.
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Clay sez:

>‎ I am thinking FIRE, or maybe >penetrating lube.

Heat, then quench with cold water from a spray bottle. Repeat several times. 
Remember, brake fluid, and brake caliper components (think rubber bits) are 
designed to withstand temps to several hundred degrees Fahrenheit. Get it hot, 
but not TOO hot. Oh yeah, and have fire protection on hand... Brake fluid 
happens to be flammable. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I just got them home and spent the rest of the day washing not the calipers.   
I got a full set of lug bolts that needed cleaning, as well as all the other 
bolts.  I will give the dirty nasty calipers a cleaning and see if the guts 
swap out.  The hoses use the same outside 13mm? wrench.  I have not applied 
massive effort to them, in case they are stuck and I do not want to break 
anything before I have a good solution to loosen the connections.  I am 
thinking FIRE, or maybe penetrating lube.



> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 21, 2016 at 11:30 PM clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> They look exactly the same based on what I pulled off, but for the filth.
>> Are they the same?
> 
> Do the pads swap over from one caliper to the other?
> Are the pistons the same diameter?
> Are the hose fittings the same thread?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

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> On October 21, 2016 at 11:30 PM clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  They look exactly the same based on what I pulled off, but for the filth.
>  Are they the same?

Do the pads swap over from one caliper to the other?
Are the pistons the same diameter?
Are the hose fittings the same thread?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I went to the PnP today and scored a little bit.  I got calipers off a 560SEL, 
as well as the main brake line from the underside of the car.  I had to cut out 
the line, but left the connections so that I might be able to separate them and 
install with ease.  It is all boogered up at the moment..

The 300SD gave up a set of new motor mounts and newer calipers with full pads.  
I think I should install the new caliper set and maybe rebuild the other.  From 
looking at a plethora of parts sources, the SD uses a 123# part, where the SEL 
was a 126#.  They look exactly the same based on what I pulled off, but for the 
filth.  Are they the same?

Moss does not grow on me much.  I got a delivery of brand new motor mounts 
yesterday.  Pads should be here by Monday, the E brake shoes came today.  

clay



> On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> SAE unions and tubing nuts and flares are double flares. 
> Metric unions, tubing nuts and flares are bubble flares.
> 
> On old American iron, I use SAE and double flares.
> On new American iron, and Mercedes I use bubble flares.
> 
> SAE stuff.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/AGS-Steel-Tube-16-24-BLF11B/dp/B00U1MVUN8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8=1476992693=8-5=double+flare+nuts+and+unions
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Inverted-Flare-Brake-Union-threads/dp/B01KNGVB6W/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1476992832=8-3=Inverted+Flare+Union
> 
> Metric stuff.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Bubble-Flare-Metric-Thread-276010/dp/B004QS2ZDW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1476992925=8-2=bubble+flare+nut
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Bubble-Flare-Brake-Union-276000/dp/B006HI66XY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1476992862=8-2=bubble+flare+union
> 
> Both work with 3/16" (5mm) lines.
> 
> This is the tool I use, and it rocks.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Eastwood-25304-Professional-Tubing-Flaring/dp/B002QBRHD4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1476993131=8-1=eastwood+flare+tool
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

SAE unions and tubing nuts and flares are double flares. 
Metric unions, tubing nuts and flares are bubble flares.

On old American iron, I use SAE and double flares.
On new American iron, and Mercedes I use bubble flares.

SAE stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/AGS-Steel-Tube-16-24-BLF11B/dp/B00U1MVUN8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8=1476992693=8-5=double+flare+nuts+and+unions

https://www.amazon.com/Inverted-Flare-Brake-Union-threads/dp/B01KNGVB6W/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1476992832=8-3=Inverted+Flare+Union

Metric stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/Bubble-Flare-Metric-Thread-276010/dp/B004QS2ZDW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1476992925=8-2=bubble+flare+nut

https://www.amazon.com/Bubble-Flare-Brake-Union-276000/dp/B006HI66XY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1476992862=8-2=bubble+flare+union

Both work with 3/16" (5mm) lines.

This is the tool I use, and it rocks.

https://www.amazon.com/Eastwood-25304-Professional-Tubing-Flaring/dp/B002QBRHD4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1476993131=8-1=eastwood+flare+tool

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:


It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
splice section of hard line.  Not sure if you can get female fittings or
not.


They're called flare unions I believe. You use female unions with a male 
inverted nut on both sides, the inside of the union seals against the double 
flared pipe.
I bought four metric unions at NAPA long ago to splice 6" into both rusty lines 
under the back seat of a 76 Civic. Why they both rusted at only that one spot 
inside the car I'll never know, the battery was under the hood.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Parking brake shoes/cables are a total PITA.  Have new springs on hand.  
I can't think of anything that is more difficult to work on.  I might 
even choose to do an evapectomy over changing park brake cables.



clay via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 10:21 PM
That does sound better than dropping a few K for some busted knuckle 
dragger to so much what I could.


I have tried to install parking shoes on the 300SE. It was a mess. No 
instructions, but it looked simple. The springs were a PITA


clay



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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I would much prefer the ability to splice

clay

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All of this looks like fairly straightforward DIY.  Bending brake tubing
> can be done, and a double-flare tool is not particularly expensive.  I
> bought one for the Ebola Fishtank, though I no longer know where it is.
> Somewhere, no doubt...  Practice putting flares on the ends of scraps
> before you tackle the big boy.
> 
> It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
> splice section of hard line.  Not sure if you can get female fittings or
> not.
> 
> My _guess_ is that all W126 use the same braking parts.  Or, rebuild the
> calipers you have.  If you can get the kits, they're cheap.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

Used may be better than what it on the car at the moment.   I can sort of test 
the PnP parts when I pull them.  I am pretty sure the shop just whipped out a 
catalogue instead of doing more than shine a light  on it.  The on my ones 
could be rebuilt once they come off.  Or they could be just fine

clay




> On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Used brake parts are such a crap shoot I can't see it being worth doing. What 
> would you pay for used calipers vs what you'd pay for remans with a good 
> warranty?
> Pads is cheap, buy good ones.
> I'd NEVER use a used brake line. Hard lines aren't expensive. The expensive 
> part is when the fittings strip trying to get the old ones apart.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
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> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:52 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
> 
> I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been 
> getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local wrench 
> twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make whole.
> 
> What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is where 
> the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.  Rear 
> rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.  Front 
> tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park cable may 
> be perished.
> 
> I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and 
> pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am 
> not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.
> 
> I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different 
> calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get 
> a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?  
> Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a 
> SD?
> 
> The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in the 
> petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I 
> think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove 
> the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will 
> be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.  I will 
> also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.
> 
> Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for 
> cheap dollars.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

That does sound better than dropping a few K for some busted knuckle dragger to 
so much what I could.

I have tried to install parking shoes on the 300SE.  It was a mess.  No 
instructions, but it looked simple.   The springs were a PITA

clay



> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brake lines are no big deal if you have a tube bender and the old one to 
> copy, and a flare tool that will work with whatever flare the tube has on it. 
>  Don't forget to put your fittings on before flaring!  (I know this!)  You 
> can get the tube at the FLAPS, probably borrow the tools from them.  Rebuilt 
> calipers aren't that much, or a knacker set if they are not too buggered up.  
> I don't know about the parking brake, I don't think I have dealt with that.  
> Rotors are rather cheap too.
> 
> Remember, these cars were designed for field repairs in some fairly 
> godforsaken places.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 10/19/16 8:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>> My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
>> buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
>> could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
>> future.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
>> Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: clay
>> Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
>> 
>> I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
>> getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
>> wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
>> whole.
>> 
>> What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
>> where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
>> Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
>> Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
>> cable may be perished.
>> 
>> I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
>> pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
>> not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.
>> 
>> I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
>> calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
>> a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
>> Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
>> SD?
>> 
>> The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
>> the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
>> think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
>> the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
>> be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
>> also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.
>> 
>> Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
>> cheap dollars.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I just got some tube from FleaBay on order.  The tube bender is in the tool 
box.  I will have to see how to stick the ends onto it.

clay


> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
> buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
> could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
> future.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
> Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: clay
> Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
> 
> I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
> getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
> wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
> whole.
> 
> What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
> where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
> Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
> Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
> cable may be perished.
> 
> I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
> pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
> not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.
> 
> I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
> calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
> a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
> Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
> SD?
> 
> The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
> the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
> think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
> the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
> be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
> also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.
> 
> Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
> cheap dollars.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1To do a double flare, all you need is the special thimble and 
a regular flare tool.  I buy the special thimbles from snappy, but they 
are NOT guaranteed by snappy.  I buy 2 for each time I have to make a 
brake line.  I usually end up breaking one.


BY ALL MEANS, make several trial runs on scrap steel lines.  You need 
some lube compatible with brake fluid to lube the double flare as you do it.



Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 8:41 PM
All of this looks like fairly straightforward DIY. Bending brake tubing
can be done, and a double-flare tool is not particularly expensive. I
bought one for the Ebola Fishtank, though I no longer know where it is.
Somewhere, no doubt... Practice putting flares on the ends of scraps
before you tackle the big boy.

It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
splice section of hard line. Not sure if you can get female fittings or
not.

My _guess_ is that all W126 use the same braking parts. Or, rebuild the
calipers you have. If you can get the kits, they're cheap.

-- Jim
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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 7:37 PM
Brake lines are no big deal if you have a tube bender and the old one 
to copy, and a flare tool that will work with whatever flare the tube 
has on it.  Don't forget to put your fittings on before flaring!  (I 
know this!)  You can get the tube at the FLAPS, probably borrow the 
tools from them.  Rebuilt calipers aren't that much, or a knacker set 
if they are not too buggered up.  I don't know about the parking 
brake, I don't think I have dealt with that.  Rotors are rather cheap 
too.


Remember, these cars were designed for field repairs in some fairly 
godforsaken places.


--R




Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 7:13 PM
My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK 
if he

buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
future.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
clay via

Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: clay
Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

I have no parking brake in Polei. Also have a fluid leak that has been
getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3. Sent the car to local
wrench twister down the block. He came back with an estimate of $2k to 
make

whole.

What is not good. Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle. That is
where the leak be. Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
Front tie rod ends are perished. Wanted to charge to do alignment. Park
cable may be perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself. I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
pads. Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot. I am
not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC). So, were I 
to get
a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to 
install?
Is there a change from early to late calipers? Like I could use them 
from a

SD?

The hard line is a question. There must be the same line that is used in
the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well. It is only the one line I
think. If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same? OR, should I remove
the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line? I will
be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands. I will
also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship 
me for

cheap dollars.


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

All of this looks like fairly straightforward DIY.  Bending brake tubing
can be done, and a double-flare tool is not particularly expensive.  I
bought one for the Ebola Fishtank, though I no longer know where it is.
Somewhere, no doubt...  Practice putting flares on the ends of scraps
before you tackle the big boy.

It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
splice section of hard line.  Not sure if you can get female fittings or
not.

My _guess_ is that all W126 use the same braking parts.  Or, rebuild the
calipers you have.  If you can get the kits, they're cheap.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Used brake parts are such a crap shoot I can't see it being worth doing. What 
would you pay for used calipers vs what you'd pay for remans with a good 
warranty?
Pads is cheap, buy good ones.
I'd NEVER use a used brake line. Hard lines aren't expensive. The expensive 
part is when the fittings strip trying to get the old ones apart.
-Curt


  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:52 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
   
I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been getting 
topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local wrench twister 
down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is where 
the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.  Rear rotor 
wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.  Front tie rod 
ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park cable may be 
perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and 
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am not 
at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different 
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get a 
set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?  Is 
there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in the 
petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I think.  
If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove the hard 
line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will be doing all 
this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.  I will also need to 
install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for 
cheap dollars.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Brake lines are no big deal if you have a tube bender and the old one to 
copy, and a flare tool that will work with whatever flare the tube has 
on it.  Don't forget to put your fittings on before flaring!  (I know 
this!)  You can get the tube at the FLAPS, probably borrow the tools 
from them.  Rebuilt calipers aren't that much, or a knacker set if they 
are not too buggered up.  I don't know about the parking brake, I don't 
think I have dealt with that.  Rotors are rather cheap too.


Remember, these cars were designed for field repairs in some fairly 
godforsaken places.


--R


On 10/19/16 8:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
future.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: clay
Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
cable may be perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
cheap dollars.


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
future.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: clay
Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
cable may be perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
cheap dollars.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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