Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

DC and MD each requires title transfer before you can register a new
vehicle in either state.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:33 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Good question, and one I can’t answer as I’ve never lived in a state that
> did bill of sale sales. There are people here who do, so I would defer to
> them.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So, in the states that permit transfer by bill of sale, how do they
> know the vendor owns the vehicle? Do they rely on the registration as is
> done here? If not, it would seem fairly easy to circumvent the issue by
> transferring a vehicle between a few people and back to the person who
> wants the vehicle but has no evidence of ownership to permit registration.
> >
> >
> >> On 10/03/2020 7:33 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Randy,
> >>
> >> Here in the States you’re required to have a title issued by the state
> for any vehicles you own. On top of that you typically pay an annual
> registration fee, which can be based on value, age, or just a flat fee
> depending on the state. The registration fee covers your tags or license
> plate for that annual fee.
> >>
> >> Not all states require titles to buy or sell a car. Some allow a bill
> of sale, most of which are based on the age of the vehicle, like if it’s 20
> years old or older for example. There can be a title for these older
> vehicles, but it’s not required.
> >>
> >> Florida, for example, requires titles for everything regardless of age.
> Georgia (I think) allows a bill of sale for older vehicles.
> >>
> >> There is no consistency with any of this, as it’s all determined by the
> state, not federal, government.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>  On Mar 9, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  On 09/03/2020 12:10 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>   I’m wondering how they avoid cars that have liens on them, that is,
> do they check the VIN with a source that would have information like this,
> such as the state where the transaction took place?
> 
>  -D
> 
> >>> How does it all work in the USA? Do you have some sort of "title" to
> the vehicle? I once bought a Chevy Suburban here in Manitoba and received
> the Texas title from the owner even though I did not need it. Here, the
> vehicle registration form is part of the package that includes the licence
> plate and the insurance (since we have a government run monopoly insurance
> program). We are able to sell things like utility trailers without much
> trouble. Most people seem unable to produce documentation for things like
> utility trailers and the authorities permit us to provide a bill of sale
> saying it is a homemade trailer and no one asks many questions but a car of
> a truck requires that the form on the back of the registration document be
> signed and provided to the buyer along with the bill of sale. If you cannot
> find it, you have to go to an authorized agent and pay to get a replacement
> registration document. We had to do that when we were unable to find the
> papers for an old Toyota 4Runner that we sold. There may be some means of
> getting proper paperwork for a vehicle if you cannot find the last
> registered owner but it would no doubt be difficult and expensive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good question, and one I can’t answer as I’ve never lived in a state that did 
bill of sale sales. There are people here who do, so I would defer to them.

-D

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, in the states that permit transfer by bill of sale, how do they know the 
> vendor owns the vehicle? Do they rely on the registration as is done here? If 
> not, it would seem fairly easy to circumvent the issue by transferring a 
> vehicle between a few people and back to the person who wants the vehicle but 
> has no evidence of ownership to permit registration.
> 
> 
>> On 10/03/2020 7:33 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Randy,
>> 
>> Here in the States you’re required to have a title issued by the state for 
>> any vehicles you own. On top of that you typically pay an annual 
>> registration fee, which can be based on value, age, or just a flat fee 
>> depending on the state. The registration fee covers your tags or license 
>> plate for that annual fee.
>> 
>> Not all states require titles to buy or sell a car. Some allow a bill of 
>> sale, most of which are based on the age of the vehicle, like if it’s 20 
>> years old or older for example. There can be a title for these older 
>> vehicles, but it’s not required.
>> 
>> Florida, for example, requires titles for everything regardless of age. 
>> Georgia (I think) allows a bill of sale for older vehicles.
>> 
>> There is no consistency with any of this, as it’s all determined by the 
>> state, not federal, government.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Mar 9, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
 On 09/03/2020 12:10 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
  I’m wondering how they avoid cars that have liens on them, that is, do 
 they check the VIN with a source that would have information like this, 
 such as the state where the transaction took place?
 
 -D
 
>>> How does it all work in the USA? Do you have some sort of "title" to the 
>>> vehicle? I once bought a Chevy Suburban here in Manitoba and received the 
>>> Texas title from the owner even though I did not need it. Here, the vehicle 
>>> registration form is part of the package that includes the licence plate 
>>> and the insurance (since we have a government run monopoly insurance 
>>> program). We are able to sell things like utility trailers without much 
>>> trouble. Most people seem unable to produce documentation for things like 
>>> utility trailers and the authorities permit us to provide a bill of sale 
>>> saying it is a homemade trailer and no one asks many questions but a car of 
>>> a truck requires that the form on the back of the registration document be 
>>> signed and provided to the buyer along with the bill of sale. If you cannot 
>>> find it, you have to go to an authorized agent and pay to get a replacement 
>>> registration document. We had to do that when we were unable to find the 
>>> papers for an old Toyota 4Runner that we sold. There may be some means of 
>>> getting proper paperwork for a vehicle if you cannot find the last 
>>> registered owner but it would no doubt be difficult and expensive.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So, in the states that permit transfer by bill of sale, how do they know 
the vendor owns the vehicle? Do they rely on the registration as is done 
here? If not, it would seem fairly easy to circumvent the issue by 
transferring a vehicle between a few people and back to the person who 
wants the vehicle but has no evidence of ownership to permit registration.



On 10/03/2020 7:33 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Randy,

Here in the States you’re required to have a title issued by the state for any 
vehicles you own. On top of that you typically pay an annual registration fee, 
which can be based on value, age, or just a flat fee depending on the state. 
The registration fee covers your tags or license plate for that annual fee.

Not all states require titles to buy or sell a car. Some allow a bill of sale, 
most of which are based on the age of the vehicle, like if it’s 20 years old or 
older for example. There can be a title for these older vehicles, but it’s not 
required.

Florida, for example, requires titles for everything regardless of age. Georgia 
(I think) allows a bill of sale for older vehicles.

There is no consistency with any of this, as it’s all determined by the state, 
not federal, government.

-D


On Mar 9, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:


On 09/03/2020 12:10 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
  I’m wondering how they avoid cars that have liens on them, that is, do they 
check the VIN with a source that would have information like this, such as the 
state where the transaction took place?

-D


How does it all work in the USA? Do you have some sort of "title" to the 
vehicle? I once bought a Chevy Suburban here in Manitoba and received the Texas title 
from the owner even though I did not need it. Here, the vehicle registration form is part 
of the package that includes the licence plate and the insurance (since we have a 
government run monopoly insurance program). We are able to sell things like utility 
trailers without much trouble. Most people seem unable to produce documentation for 
things like utility trailers and the authorities permit us to provide a bill of sale 
saying it is a homemade trailer and no one asks many questions but a car of a truck 
requires that the form on the back of the registration document be signed and provided to 
the buyer along with the bill of sale. If you cannot find it, you have to go to an 
authorized agent and pay to get a replacement registration document. We had to do that 
when we were unable to find the papers for an old Toyota 4Runner that we sold. There may 
be some means of getting proper paperwork for a vehicle if you cannot find the last 
registered owner but it would no doubt be difficult and expensive.



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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Randy,

Here in the States you’re required to have a title issued by the state for any 
vehicles you own. On top of that you typically pay an annual registration fee, 
which can be based on value, age, or just a flat fee depending on the state. 
The registration fee covers your tags or license plate for that annual fee.

Not all states require titles to buy or sell a car. Some allow a bill of sale, 
most of which are based on the age of the vehicle, like if it’s 20 years old or 
older for example. There can be a title for these older vehicles, but it’s not 
required.

Florida, for example, requires titles for everything regardless of age. Georgia 
(I think) allows a bill of sale for older vehicles.

There is no consistency with any of this, as it’s all determined by the state, 
not federal, government.

-D

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 09/03/2020 12:10 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>  I’m wondering how they avoid cars that have liens on them, that is, do they 
>> check the VIN with a source that would have information like this, such as 
>> the state where the transaction took place?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> How does it all work in the USA? Do you have some sort of "title" to the 
> vehicle? I once bought a Chevy Suburban here in Manitoba and received the 
> Texas title from the owner even though I did not need it. Here, the vehicle 
> registration form is part of the package that includes the licence plate and 
> the insurance (since we have a government run monopoly insurance program). We 
> are able to sell things like utility trailers without much trouble. Most 
> people seem unable to produce documentation for things like utility trailers 
> and the authorities permit us to provide a bill of sale saying it is a 
> homemade trailer and no one asks many questions but a car of a truck requires 
> that the form on the back of the registration document be signed and provided 
> to the buyer along with the bill of sale. If you cannot find it, you have to 
> go to an authorized agent and pay to get a replacement registration document. 
> We had to do that when we were unable to find the papers for an old Toyota 
> 4Runner that we sold. There may be some means of getting proper paperwork for 
> a vehicle if you cannot find the last registered owner but it would no doubt 
> be difficult and expensive.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/03/2020 12:10 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

  I’m wondering how they avoid cars that have liens on them, that is, do they 
check the VIN with a source that would have information like this, such as the 
state where the transaction took place?

-D

How does it all work in the USA? Do you have some sort of "title" to the 
vehicle? I once bought a Chevy Suburban here in Manitoba and received 
the Texas title from the owner even though I did not need it. Here, the 
vehicle registration form is part of the package that includes the 
licence plate and the insurance (since we have a government run monopoly 
insurance program). We are able to sell things like utility trailers 
without much trouble. Most people seem unable to produce documentation 
for things like utility trailers and the authorities permit us to 
provide a bill of sale saying it is a homemade trailer and no one asks 
many questions but a car of a truck requires that the form on the back 
of the registration document be signed and provided to the buyer along 
with the bill of sale. If you cannot find it, you have to go to an 
authorized agent and pay to get a replacement registration document. We 
had to do that when we were unable to find the papers for an old Toyota 
4Runner that we sold. There may be some means of getting proper 
paperwork for a vehicle if you cannot find the last registered owner but 
it would no doubt be difficult and expensive.




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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You wanna buy it?

--FT

On 3/9/20 12:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other sucker.

Sent from my iPhone




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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah except to do that you need to get the owner's consent on that form, 
but getting a title report is only $6.  That dmv.com site is a private 
company, they want $15 to run a report which seems like it might include 
the lienholder info.  I'll see if my cuz can dig it up, if not I'll get 
a lawyer friend to check the "anticipation of litigation" box.  I might 
sue his *ss


--FT

On 3/9/20 2:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like $6 to go through the state:

https://www.dmv.com/sc/south-carolina/vehicle-history-reports

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 12:56 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The guy couldn’t find out what lender held the lien. I need to find that
out, do some negotiations

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other

sucker.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

So y'all might recall I got this dead 05 ML500, really nice but Start

Error won't crank, for $675, got it out of hock at a tow yard.  The guy who
"owned" it was going to get me the title...

I think he took off out of town one step ahead of somebody or some

agency or something...

I found this dude in NJ who supposedly could get me a clean title,

somehow (it somehow involves Vermont...).  Anyway he found out that there
is a lien on the vehicle from a bank loan so he will not be able to do this
for me...

Now I'm trying to see if he knows what bank has the lien, maybe I can

negotiate with them on it...

This is such a trip... I should start wunnathem youtuber channels, Fun

Times Bottom Feeding...

--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

"I got my title back from TitleMax!"  Yeah they should be able to get that,
buy her a coffee or a beer next family reunion.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My cousin works for TitleMax corporate office, I'm gonna ask her if any
> of her peeps can find out who holds the title, that outfit must deal
> with that kind of stuff all the time.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My cousin works for TitleMax corporate office, I'm gonna ask her if any 
of her peeps can find out who holds the title, that outfit must deal 
with that kind of stuff all the time.


--FT

On 3/9/20 2:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe these guys can help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFvfVL-I8w=1s

Or maybe Kaleb can run a carfax and that will show who holds the title?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 12:56 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The guy couldn’t find out what lender held the lien. I need to find that
out, do some negotiations

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other

sucker.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

So y'all might recall I got this dead 05 ML500, really nice but Start

Error won't crank, for $675, got it out of hock at a tow yard.  The guy who
"owned" it was going to get me the title...

I think he took off out of town one step ahead of somebody or some

agency or something...

I found this dude in NJ who supposedly could get me a clean title,

somehow (it somehow involves Vermont...).  Anyway he found out that there
is a lien on the vehicle from a bank loan so he will not be able to do this
for me...

Now I'm trying to see if he knows what bank has the lien, maybe I can

negotiate with them on it...

This is such a trip... I should start wunnathem youtuber channels, Fun

Times Bottom Feeding...

--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like $6 to go through the state:

https://www.dmv.com/sc/south-carolina/vehicle-history-reports

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 12:56 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The guy couldn’t find out what lender held the lien. I need to find that
> out, do some negotiations
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other
> sucker.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So y'all might recall I got this dead 05 ML500, really nice but Start
> Error won't crank, for $675, got it out of hock at a tow yard.  The guy who
> "owned" it was going to get me the title...
> >>
> >> I think he took off out of town one step ahead of somebody or some
> agency or something...
> >>
> >> I found this dude in NJ who supposedly could get me a clean title,
> somehow (it somehow involves Vermont...).  Anyway he found out that there
> is a lien on the vehicle from a bank loan so he will not be able to do this
> for me...
> >>
> >> Now I'm trying to see if he knows what bank has the lien, maybe I can
> negotiate with them on it...
> >>
> >> This is such a trip... I should start wunnathem youtuber channels, Fun
> Times Bottom Feeding...
> >>
> >> --
> >> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

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Watch some videos on this channel. 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHZGktwWZsmZ5xhObw70aOw

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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Maybe these guys can help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFvfVL-I8w=1s

Or maybe Kaleb can run a carfax and that will show who holds the title?
-
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Charleston SC


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 12:56 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The guy couldn’t find out what lender held the lien. I need to find that
> out, do some negotiations
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other
> sucker.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So y'all might recall I got this dead 05 ML500, really nice but Start
> Error won't crank, for $675, got it out of hock at a tow yard.  The guy who
> "owned" it was going to get me the title...
> >>
> >> I think he took off out of town one step ahead of somebody or some
> agency or something...
> >>
> >> I found this dude in NJ who supposedly could get me a clean title,
> somehow (it somehow involves Vermont...).  Anyway he found out that there
> is a lien on the vehicle from a bank loan so he will not be able to do this
> for me...
> >>
> >> Now I'm trying to see if he knows what bank has the lien, maybe I can
> negotiate with them on it...
> >>
> >> This is such a trip... I should start wunnathem youtuber channels, Fun
> Times Bottom Feeding...
> >>
> >> --
> >> --FT
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Have you got a bill of sale?

With that and Vermont you should be able to wash the title. However, I’m 
wondering how they avoid cars that have liens on them, that is, do they check 
the VIN with a source that would have information like this, such as the state 
where the transaction took place?

-D

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
>> On 09/03/2020 12:03 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> You can do your own vermont title.   instructions are online.  However they 
>> charge sales tax on the NADA value of the vehicle, not on actual price.   In 
>> the case of my Calif 240D, they want something like $400 sales tax plus 
>> other fees.
> 
> 
> BUT, if it is the only fairly easy way to get a title, it should be worth it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/03/2020 12:03 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
You can do your own vermont title.   instructions are online.  However 
they charge sales tax on the NADA value of the vehicle, not on actual 
price.   In the case of my Calif 240D, they want something like $400 
sales tax plus other fees.



BUT, if it is the only fairly easy way to get a title, it should be 
worth it.




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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You can do your own vermont title.   instructions are online.  However 
they charge sales tax on the NADA value of the vehicle, not on actual 
price.   In the case of my Calif 240D, they want something like $400 
sales tax plus other fees.



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 9, 2020 at 11:55 AM
The guy couldn’t find out what lender held the lien. I need to find 
that out, do some negotiations


--FT
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The guy couldn’t find out what lender held the lien. I need to find that out, 
do some negotiations 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other sucker. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So y'all might recall I got this dead 05 ML500, really nice but Start Error 
>> won't crank, for $675, got it out of hock at a tow yard.  The guy who 
>> "owned" it was going to get me the title...
>> 
>> I think he took off out of town one step ahead of somebody or some agency or 
>> something...
>> 
>> I found this dude in NJ who supposedly could get me a clean title, somehow 
>> (it somehow involves Vermont...).  Anyway he found out that there is a lien 
>> on the vehicle from a bank loan so he will not be able to do this for me...
>> 
>> Now I'm trying to see if he knows what bank has the lien, maybe I can 
>> negotiate with them on it...
>> 
>> This is such a trip... I should start wunnathem youtuber channels, Fun Times 
>> Bottom Feeding...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 saga continues

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Sounds like you can part it out or try and unload it on some other sucker. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So y'all might recall I got this dead 05 ML500, really nice but Start Error 
> won't crank, for $675, got it out of hock at a tow yard.  The guy who "owned" 
> it was going to get me the title...
> 
> I think he took off out of town one step ahead of somebody or some agency or 
> something...
> 
> I found this dude in NJ who supposedly could get me a clean title, somehow 
> (it somehow involves Vermont...).  Anyway he found out that there is a lien 
> on the vehicle from a bank loan so he will not be able to do this for me...
> 
> Now I'm trying to see if he knows what bank has the lien, maybe I can 
> negotiate with them on it...
> 
> This is such a trip... I should start wunnathem youtuber channels, Fun Times 
> Bottom Feeding...
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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