Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
LOL, the 44 year old K161 in my Cub Cadet seems to have done all right The day my buddy blew a coolant hose on his '91 Thundercat but my '70 Ski-Doo kept thumping he was re-thinking liquid cooled... Of course he can go like 10x faster than my Ski-Doo but I look cooler. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:51:07 -0800 From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks to everyone for their comments. Lots of surfing and found out that this is a good deal with the wheel kit, electric start and free shipping. Prefer Honda but at 3 times the cost, I will settle for 3 or so debicles increase in noise. Now that comment about air cooled engines has destroyed a life long dream to own a older 911! Thanks again, John (getting ready for the Big One) Freer - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that comment about air cooled engines has destroyed a life long dream to own a older 911! Well don't let one contrary opinion spoil a dream! Air cooled engines have some unique cooling issues, but overall it works well and on the plus side you don't have a water pump to fail, hoses to burst, radiators to clog and/or leak, etc. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Allan Streib wrote: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that comment about air cooled engines has destroyed a life long dream to own a older 911! IIRC, the 911 isn't really air cooled. Oil cooled might be a better description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than the water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IIRC, the 911 isn't really air cooled. Oil cooled might be a better description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than the water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators? That might be -- I don't know much about Porches, but I'd be surprised if it didn't also have fan-forced air cooling on the cylinders, pretty easy setup on a boxer engine. Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right. I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than actually cooling the engine though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right. I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than actually cooling the engine though. You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right. I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than actually cooling the engine though. You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe. Huh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Yes, clearly the oil has to be cooled. However given the size of the oil cooler and the rate of flow of the oil and the size of the oil galleys etc. I don't think it would have much of a cooling effect on the engine itself. Some, but not much. I was specifically saying Huh? to the to-may-toe, to-mah-toe. I did not understand what that meant in this context. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh, maybe because the oil was part of the means for cooling the engine? head scratch Absolutely. If the oil wasn't cooled, it would turn into a watery sludge in a matter of minutes - that is, if the engine didn't fail first from the tremendous heat load in the various components. Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right. I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than actually cooling the engine though. You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe. Huh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Uh, maybe because the oil was part of the means for cooling the engine? head scratch Absolutely. If the oil wasn't cooled, it would turn into a watery sludge in a matter of minutes - that is, if the engine didn't fail first from the tremendous heat load in the various components. Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right. I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than actually cooling the engine though. You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe. Huh? -- Jim Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
I was specifically saying Huh? to the to-may-toe, to-mah-toe. I did not understand what that meant in this context. I meant that the heat in the oil had to come from somewhere, and its disappearance indicated that the engine was (at least partially) oil-cooled. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
you don't have a water pump to fail, hoses to burst, radiators to clog and/or leak, etc. As in the case of the Corvair, KEEP THAT FAN TURNIN'! We drove that car on the hottest of days (well over 100F) with no problem. An old air-cooled 911 would be quite fun too. A friend of mine had a '75, not sure if it was air or water-cooled. He also had a W116 '74 450SEL which was quite a nice car in 1989. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
I had a retired teacher that lived next door to me, and she had a beautiful early model Corvair. People were always trying to buy it off of her (and this was in the late 70s.) I was always amazed by the right angle belt drive Dan --- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you don't have a water pump to fail, hoses to burst, radiators to clog and/or leak, etc. As in the case of the Corvair, KEEP THAT FAN TURNIN'! We drove that car on the hottest of days (well over 100F) with no problem. An old air-cooled 911 would be quite fun too. A friend of mine had a '75, not sure if it was air or water-cooled. He also had a W116 '74 450SEL which was quite a nice car in 1989. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Yeah no argument. I guess I was taken aback by the assertion earlier in the thread that the 911 engine was primarily oil cooled, I thought that the majority of the heat would be removed by the airflow over the cylinder and head fins. Certainly don't have much knowledge of air cooled design though; the role of the oil cooler may well be larger than I imagined. Allan On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I was specifically saying Huh? to the to-may-toe, to-mah-toe. I did not understand what that meant in this context. I meant that the heat in the oil had to come from somewhere, and its disappearance indicated that the engine was (at least partially) oil-cooled. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Those little portable units have their place, but you should not expect too much from them. Typical scenario is that they are air cooled and after a few hours will detect an over temperature condition in the gen head or the engine and will do a safety shutdown. You can get a used light tower generator off ebay for about twice the price of the unit at Costco. Look for one with a water cooled Kubota diesel engine. They will run for weeks non-stop without problems. Here is what I'm talking about: http://cgi.ebay.com/PORTABLE-LIGHT-TOWER-GENERATOR-6KW-DIESEL-TRAILER-UNIT_W0QQitemZ190189204531QQihZ009QQcategoryZ61574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -Dave Walton On Jan 13, 2008 12:05 AM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TIS this something new? Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCtopnav=prodid=11245396cm_mmc=BCEmail_261-_-Focus-_-14-_-CumminsOnanHomesite6500 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Why would one of these overheat unless there was an overload or the cooling system was blocked in some way? There are many thousands of air cooled gensets in emergency standby service, all of which, if properly maintained, will run for hundreds of hours without any attention. The Cummins name comes from the fact that in the early 90s Cummins Engine bought out the Onan Corporation, one of the big three genset manufacturers in the U.S. Therefore, everything became Cummins for the most part, or Cummins-Onan in some cases. Dan (who has 20+ years experience in the generator industry) --- dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those little portable units have their place, but you should not expect too much from them. Typical scenario is that they are air cooled and after a few hours will detect an over temperature condition in the gen head or the engine and will do a safety shutdown. You can get a used light tower generator off ebay for about twice the price of the unit at Costco. Look for one with a water cooled Kubota diesel engine. They will run for weeks non-stop without problems. Here is what I'm talking about: http://cgi.ebay.com/PORTABLE-LIGHT-TOWER-GENERATOR-6KW-DIESEL-TRAILER-UNIT_W0QQitemZ190189204531QQihZ009QQcategoryZ61574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -Dave Walton On Jan 13, 2008 12:05 AM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TIS this something new? Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCtopnav=prodid=11245396cm_mmc=BCEmail_261-_-Focus-_-14-_-CumminsOnanHomesite6500 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Because they are pieces of crap to begin with. Those cheap sets are designed to sell, not work. I don't doubt that you can get a decent air-cooled genset - but it will cost more than $800. Personally, I stay away from anything air cooled: cars, skidsteers, generators... People only buy them because they are cheap. There is NO inherent advantage in running an air cooled 4-cycle engine. Well, okay - I did think of one thing - my lawnmower. In that case, I can sacrifice longevity for light weight. -Dave Walton On Jan 13, 2008 8:30 AM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would one of these overheat unless there was an overload or the cooling system was blocked in some way? There are many thousands of air cooled gensets in emergency standby service, all of which, if properly maintained, will run for hundreds of hours without any attention. The Cummins name comes from the fact that in the early 90s Cummins Engine bought out the Onan Corporation, one of the big three genset manufacturers in the U.S. Therefore, everything became Cummins for the most part, or Cummins-Onan in some cases. Dan (who has 20+ years experience in the generator industry) --- dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those little portable units have their place, but you should not expect too much from them. Typical scenario is that they are air cooled and after a few hours will detect an over temperature condition in the gen head or the engine and will do a safety shutdown. You can get a used light tower generator off ebay for about twice the price of the unit at Costco. Look for one with a water cooled Kubota diesel engine. They will run for weeks non-stop without problems. Here is what I'm talking about: http://cgi.ebay.com/PORTABLE-LIGHT-TOWER-GENERATOR-6KW-DIESEL-TRAILER-UNIT_W0QQitemZ190189204531QQihZ009QQcategoryZ61574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -Dave Walton On Jan 13, 2008 12:05 AM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TIS this something new? Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCtopnav=prodid=11245396cm_mmc=BCEmail_261-_-Focus-_-14-_-CumminsOnanHomesite6500 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Is this thing gas or diesel? John Freer wrote: TIS this something new? Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCtopnav=prodid=11245396cm_mmc=BCEmail_261-_-Focus-_-14-_-CumminsOnanHomesite6500 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Because they are pieces of crap to begin with. Those cheap sets are designed to sell, not work. As appears to be that $1k Costco diesel set that I have a defunct example of. Some bad design on the electrical end of things. But I still have hopes I can resurrect it, and by all accounts the air-cooled diesel engine is a fairly decent design. And it really is surprisingly quiet for a 3600 RPM air-cooled diesel. That enclosure is very functional. My $400 45kW Kohler is a _very_ nice generator, but did have three rusted cylinders. Something of a kit, that was. And something less than portable! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
dave walton wrote: Because they are pieces of crap to begin with. Those cheap sets are designed to sell, not work. I don't doubt that you can get a decent air-cooled genset - but it will cost more than $800. Been using a $350 Coleman/BriggsStratton 11hp 5kw for 20+ years. Would probably pay $600-700 today. Replaced the spark plug 2-3 times, broke the rope on the recoil start once, had to take the starter apart again last year and clean/lube it when it didn't want to retract properly and the rope jammed. Either I'm getting older or it's getting harder to start, but once started it keeps going, as long as you're willing to refuel it every 3 hours (small engine mounted fuel tank). The carb has never been off it and the ignition has never been messed with. It got used infrequently, but 16 hours a day when it was needed. Back in the 1980s a power failure might last a week, now it's almost never more than 10 hours. Now it's surplus. It's been replaced by an automated air cooled propane engine 7kw Generac Guardian ($1500). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
I want to thank you for your generous offer. If I may be so bold, may I ask how you stored all the DVDs? Dave H... -- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators Is this thing gas or diesel? John Freer wrote: TIS this something new? Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCtopnav=prodid=11245396cm_mmc=BCEmail_261-_-Focus-_-14-_-CumminsOnanHomesite6500 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? Cummins owns Onan. (Or perhaps they're both owned by the same parent.) Branding exercise, in other words. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
It seems than at Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:05:14 -0800, John wrote: TIS this something new? Looks like a good deal but wonder where Cummins comes into the picture? http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCtopnav=prodid=11245396cm_mmc=BCEmail_261-_-Focus-_-14-_-CumminsOnanHomesite6500 John Onan is a Cummins brand. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
