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have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. The 1996-1998 (early) Dodge diesel uses the P7100 inline injection pump. That's your 240D-style engine right there. Not light-duty, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 07/08/2013 6:14 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:12:22 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? Sorry, I cannot answer that question. Craig I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy Cummins has been building Diesel engines for 100 years and know how to do it. (read My Days with the Diesel by Clessie Cummins) The problem with the cummins/dogde is weight. That is a heavy sucker. IH v8 engines are good, but the inline 6 (DT466 etc.) is great. same as the 1066 through 1486 tractors. Frod did their best fro screw up the IH engine from what I've heard. I think that contributed heavily to the divorce. The frod IH was not as good as the International IH v8 Diesel engine. Frod's ol tractor division could build a Diesel, and they had automotive versions for the RTW. That was sold off and is now a part of CNH, along with Case, what is left of IH farm, and a few others. It seems like they have dropped the frod name, as the new blue tractor are New Holland I head the frod 240 and 300 gas engines were the same block as the tractor engines. I'm not sure about that, but I know the 240 block was heavy. Right now, I don't think frod or gummit motors could build a good Diesel. The isuzu in the GM stuff seems to be ok, but I'm not sure the jury is on on that yet. Isuzu pretty much ripped off the Mercedes OM engines for some models, like the thermoking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's my information. based on Ford diesel truck discussion board at the time, the issue with IH / Ford was actually with EPA. Story I've repeatedly heard is that Ford was found to have fudged the EPA emission numbers in order to make the ever tighter EPA restrictions, without incurring the extreme costs to pay IH to make the engines more EPA Compliant EPA slapped Ford with HUGE fines and an order that they could not use the engines without compliance. Ford rushed [really rushed, way beyond development plans] their own 6.0 diesel engine, with all the EPA junk jammed on it, but not nicely... That engine almost lost Ford the diesel truck market. It certainly lost Ford millions in warranty work and customer goodwill. As quickly as possible, Ford has developed a new, better, diesel engine.. but it will not have the long legs of history the IH 7.3 diesel has with billions of miles of use and decades of success. I personally own 5, all have over 200,000 miles, all are healthy and expected to be for many miles to come. The 'new diesels although EPA compliant, already have developed issues... time will tell.. with enough customers money... and miles.. just how those all get sorted. Worthy of note. International Harvester continued to use and produce the 7.3 engine after their major client [Ford] canceled the nearly 20 yr contract. The engines they use/used were EPA compliant, so... it seems more like it was an executive spitting contest than a hard mechanical issue. Bottom line... Ford remains at the top of the heap still in truck sales and profit, even in these depression era times.. Grant... On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:14 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:12:22 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? Sorry, I cannot answer that question. Craig I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Ford 6.0 is an IH engine. It is a good, solid design that Ford screwed up by not listening to IH. The 6.0 should not have been released in the US market before clean enough fuel was available here. IIRC the original design is German and works just fine with European fuel. Ford was stupid. They introduced that engine in E350 van cab and chassis setups...ambulances. The 6.0 does not like to sit and idle. It will clog itself up and be a total nightmare. A life saving application MAY not be the best platform to learn that on. Americans still think a diesel should sit and idle, no. They think they can run offroad diesel in a 6.0 with no trouble, wrong. If Ford had listened to IH and not rushed an altered version of a successful engine to market there would not be such trouble. Mike On Aug 8, 2013 12:25 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: It's my information. based on Ford diesel truck discussion board at the time, the issue with IH / Ford was actually with EPA. Story I've repeatedly heard is that Ford was found to have fudged the EPA emission numbers in order to make the ever tighter EPA restrictions, without incurring the extreme costs to pay IH to make the engines more EPA Compliant EPA slapped Ford with HUGE fines and an order that they could not use the engines without compliance. Ford rushed [really rushed, way beyond development plans] their own 6.0 diesel engine, with all the EPA junk jammed on it, but not nicely... That engine almost lost Ford the diesel truck market. It certainly lost Ford millions in warranty work and customer goodwill. As quickly as possible, Ford has developed a new, better, diesel engine.. but it will not have the long legs of history the IH 7.3 diesel has with billions of miles of use and decades of success. I personally own 5, all have over 200,000 miles, all are healthy and expected to be for many miles to come. The 'new diesels although EPA compliant, already have developed issues... time will tell.. with enough customers money... and miles.. just how those all get sorted. Worthy of note. International Harvester continued to use and produce the 7.3 engine after their major client [Ford] canceled the nearly 20 yr contract. The engines they use/used were EPA compliant, so... it seems more like it was an executive spitting contest than a hard mechanical issue. Bottom line... Ford remains at the top of the heap still in truck sales and profit, even in these depression era times.. Grant... On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:14 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:12:22 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? Sorry, I cannot answer that question. Craig I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 08/08/2013 11:08 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy Cummins has been building Diesel engines for 100 years and know how to do it. (read My Days with the Diesel by Clessie Cummins) The problem with the cummins/dogde is weight. That is a heavy sucker. IH v8 engines are good, but the inline 6 (DT466 etc.) is great. same as the 1066 through 1486 tractors. Frod did their best fro screw up the IH engine from what I've heard. I think that contributed heavily to the divorce. The frod IH was not as good as the International IH v8 Diesel engine. Frod's ol tractor division could build a Diesel, and they had automotive versions for the RTW. That was sold off and is now a part of CNH, along with Case, what is left of IH farm, and a few others. It seems like they have dropped the frod name, as the new blue tractor are New Holland I head the frod 240 and 300 gas engines were the same block as the tractor engines. I'm not sure about that, but I know the 240 block was heavy. Right now, I don't think frod or gummit motors could build a good Diesel. The isuzu in the GM stuff seems to be ok, but I'm not sure the jury is on on that yet. Isuzu pretty much ripped off the Mercedes OM engines for some models, like the thermoking. ___ If I had really deep pockets, I would consider a brand new Dodge with the Cummins. I am not sure I want to buy an older one with a lot of miles on it. Some of them tend to get worked really hard. I expect, barring some accidental destruction, I could make a new Dodge last me the rest of my days. However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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G Mann wrote: It's my information. based on Ford diesel truck discussion board at the time, the issue with IH / Ford was actually with EPA. Story I've repeatedly heard is that Ford was found to have fudged the EPA emission numbers in order to make the ever tighter EPA restrictions, without incurring the extreme costs to pay IH to make the engines more EPA Compliant You're talking about the 444E / 7.3 PSD? I remember something about Ford eliminating the flow through fuel rails and just terminating the rail at the #8 injector. The only factory cure I can recall was the long lead injector that retarded the timing for that cylinder. Didn't entirely make the knock go away, but it made the engine a little less efficient. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I was in the market for a new light duty pickup it would be a Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 gasser. Nice ride, best prices I have seen, efficient, powerful, reliable. Mike On Aug 8, 2013 1:02 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/08/2013 11:08 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy Cummins has been building Diesel engines for 100 years and know how to do it. (read My Days with the Diesel by Clessie Cummins) The problem with the cummins/dogde is weight. That is a heavy sucker. IH v8 engines are good, but the inline 6 (DT466 etc.) is great. same as the 1066 through 1486 tractors. Frod did their best fro screw up the IH engine from what I've heard. I think that contributed heavily to the divorce. The frod IH was not as good as the International IH v8 Diesel engine. Frod's ol tractor division could build a Diesel, and they had automotive versions for the RTW. That was sold off and is now a part of CNH, along with Case, what is left of IH farm, and a few others. It seems like they have dropped the frod name, as the new blue tractor are New Holland I head the frod 240 and 300 gas engines were the same block as the tractor engines. I'm not sure about that, but I know the 240 block was heavy. Right now, I don't think frod or gummit motors could build a good Diesel. The isuzu in the GM stuff seems to be ok, but I'm not sure the jury is on on that yet. Isuzu pretty much ripped off the Mercedes OM engines for some models, like the thermoking. __**_ If I had really deep pockets, I would consider a brand new Dodge with the Cummins. I am not sure I want to buy an older one with a lot of miles on it. Some of them tend to get worked really hard. I expect, barring some accidental destruction, I could make a new Dodge last me the rest of my days. However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy wrote: However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Oh. It's kinda old - huh? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 08/08/2013 1:16 PM, Fmiser wrote: Randy wrote: However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Oh. It's kinda old - huh? -- Philip ___ That and the fact that crew cab trucks back then were work trucks. I don't need an 8 foot box behind a crew cab when I try to park the thing. Randy who is full of excuses ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interesting comment. Along with my 83 300d, I also drive an r3500 Chevy crewcab with 6.2 and sm465 4 speed tranny. The 6.2 is efficient but not powerful like a Cummins or Powerstroke. If you drive it completely the opposite of the Benz it is cheap to run and reliable. If you run it hard it will eat fuel like a small block gasser in a way too big truck. Just got done replacing the engine, trans and many other parts after 4 years of veggie oil abuse, hauling junk and trips all over the east coast. $500 for 50k mile rv engine, $100 for quiet, low miles tranny, and maybe $1000 into random other crap and it is as good as brand new. Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on, requires almost no special tools, likes lower rpm's but will need an occasional Italian tuneup, does not like wvo without conversion(rotary pump vs. inline on MBZ) and will destroy pumps right away if you try it(I learned the hard way). Mike On Aug 8, 2013 2:17 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Randy wrote: However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Oh. It's kinda old - huh? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was looking at trucksa few months ago, I ruled out the GMs due to NO room behind the seat (single cab, basic truck). The Dodge had the lowest payload capacity of the three in a bottom of the line truck, so it got ruled out. The discount, no haggle, fixed price via the EAA membership sealed the deal, and we got a Frod, single cab, 8 ft. bed, electric windows and locks (because we are getting old), new because I'm spending all my free time playing with airplanes now. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was thinking about diesel pickups yesterday. If VW can make a 2.0l 4cyl diesel with 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque why can't somebody make a 4.0l v6 with 200hp 400lb/ft and put it in a 1/2 ton pickup? The answer is that of course they can and a discussion at work on Monday explains why they don't. My boss just bought a 2013 Passat TDI, he loves it and on his long highway commute it makes perfect sense. A co-worker also has a long highway commute and was thinking of buying a hybrid. We explained how her thinking is exactly backwards of sense and how with a TDI she can have a bigger, faster, more comfortable car that gets the same or slightly better mileage. She was absolutely convinced that diesel = slow, smokey, won't start cold until we took her for a ride in the Passat. Now she knows truth and will probably buy one. The interesting thing about the TDI is that one ride makes you a believer, low down torque is awesome. Unfortunately American diesels are LOUD. The pickups are absurdly loud to begin with and then the idiots dork them out with big stacks and whatnot and just turn up the fuel until they belch black smoke... -Curt Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 12:01:47 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: 5203cefb.70...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If I had really deep pockets, I would consider a brand new Dodge with the Cummins. I am not sure I want to buy an older one with a lot of miles on it. Some of them tend to get worked really hard. I expect, barring some accidental destruction, I could make a new Dodge last me the rest of my days. However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Didn't I say that a year ago? :-) On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The interesting thing about the TDI is that one ride makes you a believer, low down torque is awesome. -Curt -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hahahaha. Mine is like driving a narrow school bus. Long, slow, crude vinyl, plastic and steel interior and usually full of kids. Mike On Aug 8, 2013 2:29 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/08/2013 1:16 PM, Fmiser wrote: Randy wrote: However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Oh. It's kinda old - huh? -- Philip __**_ That and the fact that crew cab trucks back then were work trucks. I don't need an 8 foot box behind a crew cab when I try to park the thing. Randy who is full of excuses __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, the one I rented recently was a nice ride. I wish I knew which engine it had, I'm guessing v6. I just checked Chevy's website and it turns out thats a 4.3l. I'm actually pretty impressed with it for such a large vehicle. Pulling a 240D on a trailer (not a tow dolly) isn't a minor job. If I were going to have one I'd think hard about the v8. Fueleconomy.gov says the v6 in a 4wd will do 19mpg combined, the v8 18mpg. Thats pretty dammed impressive in a full size truck. My 2003 Ranger is rated for 15 (!) combined, we usually average around 19 on long highway trips, I bet that Silverado will push 25 if you keep your foot out of it. Ford doesn't have 2014 F150 data up yet but the 2013 3.5l turbo v6 only does 17mpg combined. GM claims 285hp 305 lb/ft of torque out of the 4.3 but it must be up very high in the power band. I kept it in 3rd gear climbing hills on the highway at 60mph, its got very long legs which I find kind of silly in a 6spd. Ford claims 365/420 out of the 3.5l eco-boost which I think is absurd. Both GM and Ford must be quoting crank power to begin with and its got to be up in the stratosphere for revs. Ford also says 16/22mpg, same as the GM v8. Tossing Dodge into the mix you have to go back to 2012 to get numbers on fueleconomy.gov 14/19 isn't a big loss from the others considering we're talking a v8, 290hp and 320lb/ft. I'd have to drive them all to decide but on paper I'd have the Silverado. The only complaint I have, and this is a complaint about all new cars in general is the feeling of being divorced from the road. For normal highway driving this is no big problem, but as soon as you go offroad and need to decide how much power is too much power or is this water hole too deep or is there too much mud here you have no confidence because you can't feel anything. My dad has a Jeep Liberty thats like that. One of my favorite thing about the Ranger as a woods truck is the wealth of good feedback it gives you. -Curt Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:22:02 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: CALHJ_1Abmuh-ubQ8qCfv-F5BeFL=iveayfxjy2frh33+yjn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If I was in the market for a new light duty pickup it would be a Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 gasser. Nice ride, best prices I have seen, efficient, powerful, reliable. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Michael wrote: Interesting comment. Along with my 83 300d, I also drive an r3500 Chevy crewcab with 6.2 and sm465 4 speed tranny. The 6.2 is efficient but not powerful like a Cummins or Powerstroke. If you drive it completely the opposite of the Benz it is cheap to run and reliable. If you run it hard it will eat fuel like a small block gasser in a way too big truck. No - not _that_ much fuel. And while the 465 is a strong transmission, without an overdrive you have to drive slow on the highway to keep the RPM down where the fuel use is low. NV4500 is a good candidate. Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on I disagree. My 123s are much less likely to have seized fasteners, has more replaceable components, and is engineered for maintenance. I think. :) requires almost no special tools And a similar vintage Mercedes does? likes lower rpm's but will need an occasional Italian tuneup Hmm. Lower RPM is necessary for low fuel use, and it isn't fond of running long term against the governor. But it doesn't seem to mind being run up, say, to climb a hill. does not like wvo without conversion(rotary pump vs. inline on MBZ) and will destroy pumps right away. And the Mercedes is destroyed - just not quite as fast? If I could find a Mercedes older than mid-1990's that could seat more than 8 people, still have interior cargo room, and pull a 9,000 lb [4,000 kg] trailer I would gladly consider replacing my Suburban. Meanwhile, I'm on the lookout for a pickup like what Randy doesn't want. Crewcab, 4WD, manual transmission, 8ft or longer bed, single wheel 1-ton, diesel, pre-1995 preferred as this is to be for rough farm-truck duty. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm preaching it brother. Still I like the Jetta and the 6spd manual better. I think the Passat stretches the lines out and makes it kind of look like a frog. The 6spd manual is a hoot and a hollar. -Curt Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:56:38 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: canzcij_evgze4os85wx+c4wwf88v1grwmbcfeuheato-ku9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Didn't I say that a year ago? :-) On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The interesting thing about the TDI is that one ride makes you a believer, low down torque is awesome. -Curt -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Anything like that around here is beat. Its already been a farm truck, or garage truck, or yard truck or worst of all a quarry truck. It maybe doesn't have big mileage but tons of hours and a body that is totally beat and they want $5000 for it... -Curt Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 14:24:17 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: 20130808142417.58b4a...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, I'm on the lookout for a pickup like what Randy doesn't want. Crewcab, 4WD, manual transmission, 8ft or longer bed, single wheel 1-ton, diesel, pre-1995 preferred as this is to be for rough farm-truck duty. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I saw a really nice new VW diesel pickup in Argentina, it was sort of the mid-sized size but was really nice. --R On 8/8/13 2:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I was thinking about diesel pickups yesterday. If VW can make a 2.0l 4cyl diesel with 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque why can't somebody make a 4.0l v6 with 200hp 400lb/ft and put it in a 1/2 ton pickup? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 08/08/2013 1:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I was thinking about diesel pickups yesterday. If VW can make a 2.0l 4cyl diesel with 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque why can't somebody make a 4.0l v6 with 200hp 400lb/ft and put it in a 1/2 ton pickup? The answer is that of course they can and a discussion at work on Monday explains why they don't. My boss just bought a 2013 Passat TDI, he loves it and on his long highway commute it makes perfect sense. A co-worker also has a long highway commute and was thinking of buying a hybrid. We explained how her thinking is exactly backwards of sense and how with a TDI she can have a bigger, faster, more comfortable car that gets the same or slightly better mileage. She was absolutely convinced that diesel = slow, smokey, won't start cold until we took her for a ride in the Passat. Now she knows truth and will probably buy one. The interesting thing about the TDI is that one ride makes you a believer, low down torque is awesome. Unfortunately American diesels are LOUD. The pickups are absurdly loud to begin with and then the idiots dork them out with big stacks and whatnot and just turn up the fuel until they belch black smoke... -Curt My recollection is that just before the economic collapse and the bankruptcy of GM etc, there was talk of the NA big 3 producing a V6 diesel engine in 1/2 ton trucks. All that sort of fell apart with the recession etc. I was waiting for that to happen as, like I have said more than once, I really do not need a 3/4 ton with a 7 liter engine. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My very limited experience with diesel trucks is all fairly remote. As I said, earlier, my son is a mechanic and does some work on diesel pickups. He tells me how messy, difficult and expensive they are to repair. He was working on a late model GM Duramax recently. (an 08 if I recall correctly) A bit of a long story but someone had hired the shop to install a rebuilt engine in the truck. Tom could not get it to run properly. He was convinced it needed injectors but they run something like $800 each and the truck owner did not want to pay for them so they checked a few other things and improved it somewhat and the owner took it away. It may come back yet I suspect. Tom felt that the rebuild was pretty bad as he thought they should have checked and rebuilt the injectors along with the engine. In any event, he spent the better part of a week trying to make it run right and the shop got paid for his time but they never got it to work the way it should. He said at the outset, it could not get into the shop unless he took a run a it because there was a lip of about an inch at the entrance to the shop. By the time he was done with it, he said you could drive it at highway speeds but it still had no real power like it should have. He had replaced the worst 3 injectors but suspected the rest needed to be done too. He had also discovered some broken wires and repaired them. I cannot recall exactly what that related to but it was in under the valve covers so maybe to injectors? What year is your Chevy Mike? Randy On 08/08/2013 1:36 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Interesting comment. Along with my 83 300d, I also drive an r3500 Chevy crewcab with 6.2 and sm465 4 speed tranny. The 6.2 is efficient but not powerful like a Cummins or Powerstroke. If you drive it completely the opposite of the Benz it is cheap to run and reliable. If you run it hard it will eat fuel like a small block gasser in a way too big truck. Just got done replacing the engine, trans and many other parts after 4 years of veggie oil abuse, hauling junk and trips all over the east coast. $500 for 50k mile rv engine, $100 for quiet, low miles tranny, and maybe $1000 into random other crap and it is as good as brand new. Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on, requires almost no special tools, likes lower rpm's but will need an occasional Italian tuneup, does not like wvo without conversion(rotary pump vs. inline on MBZ) and will destroy pumps right away if you try it(I learned the hard way). Mike On Aug 8, 2013 2:17 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Randy wrote: However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Oh. It's kinda old - huh? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The wires are for the injectors. They are known to go bad and the hatness needs to be replaced so the injectors get the power they need before worrying about replacing any. Injector voltage is critical in a PSD. My truck is a 1990. Mike On Aug 8, 2013 4:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: My very limited experience with diesel trucks is all fairly remote. As I said, earlier, my son is a mechanic and does some work on diesel pickups. He tells me how messy, difficult and expensive they are to repair. He was working on a late model GM Duramax recently. (an 08 if I recall correctly) A bit of a long story but someone had hired the shop to install a rebuilt engine in the truck. Tom could not get it to run properly. He was convinced it needed injectors but they run something like $800 each and the truck owner did not want to pay for them so they checked a few other things and improved it somewhat and the owner took it away. It may come back yet I suspect. Tom felt that the rebuild was pretty bad as he thought they should have checked and rebuilt the injectors along with the engine. In any event, he spent the better part of a week trying to make it run right and the shop got paid for his time but they never got it to work the way it should. He said at the outset, it could not get into the shop unless he took a run a it because there was a lip of about an inch at the entrance to the shop. By the time he was done with it, he said you could drive it at highway speeds but it still had no real power like it should have. He had replaced the worst 3 injectors but suspected the rest needed to be done too. He had also discovered some broken wires and repaired them. I cannot recall exactly what that related to but it was in under the valve covers so maybe to injectors? What year is your Chevy Mike? Randy On 08/08/2013 1:36 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Interesting comment. Along with my 83 300d, I also drive an r3500 Chevy crewcab with 6.2 and sm465 4 speed tranny. The 6.2 is efficient but not powerful like a Cummins or Powerstroke. If you drive it completely the opposite of the Benz it is cheap to run and reliable. If you run it hard it will eat fuel like a small block gasser in a way too big truck. Just got done replacing the engine, trans and many other parts after 4 years of veggie oil abuse, hauling junk and trips all over the east coast. $500 for 50k mile rv engine, $100 for quiet, low miles tranny, and maybe $1000 into random other crap and it is as good as brand new. Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on, requires almost no special tools, likes lower rpm's but will need an occasional Italian tuneup, does not like wvo without conversion(rotary pump vs. inline on MBZ) and will destroy pumps right away if you try it(I learned the hard way). Mike On Aug 8, 2013 2:17 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Randy wrote: However, I also have to admit that I really do not need a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton with a gas engine probably makes a whole lot more sense. I just like the diesel. Unfortunately, the new diesels have become so fancy that there is no hope of having a lighter duty pickup with an engine as trouble free as my old MB. IF only there was. Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Oh. It's kinda old - huh? -- Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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See below On Aug 8, 2013 3:24 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Fmiser wrote: Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Michael wrote: Interesting comment. Along with my 83 300d, I also drive an r3500 Chevy crewcab with 6.2 and sm465 4 speed tranny. The 6.2 is efficient but not powerful like a Cummins or Powerstroke. If you drive it completely the opposite of the Benz it is cheap to run and reliable. If you run it hard it will eat fuel like a small block gasser in a way too big truck. No - not _that_ much fuel. And while the 465 is a strong transmission, without an overdrive you have to drive slow on the highway to keep the RPM down where the fuel use is low. NV4500 is a good candidate. A 4500 would be very nice. Can't afford one now though. The 6.2 is efficient but like you say, it is terrible if you run it at high rpm. I get around 20+ on average, I get 15 or less if running too fast on the highway. No idea right now as the speedo is broken but I put a bit taller tires on the back and it seems pretty good with the new engine. Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on I disagree. My 123s are much less likely to have seized fasteners, has more replaceable components, and is engineered for maintenance. I think. :) My truck is not badly rusted and being the OBS Chevy it is super easy and cheap to work on. It is a work truck, maintenance is easy, there is nothing in the way of anything. Took me about 3 hours to swap out the injector pump. requires almost no special tools And a similar vintage Mercedes does? Ever change a Benz injector pump? How about a 6.2? A few wrenches for the GM, locking pins, drip tubes, etc for the MBZ. likes lower rpm's but will need an occasional Italian tuneup Hmm. Lower RPM is necessary for low fuel use, and it isn't fond of running long term against the governor. But it doesn't seem to mind being run up, say, to climb a hill. I am not afraid to run the Benz to the floor all of the time. The Chevy wouldn't take that for as long in my opinion. does not like wvo without conversion(rotary pump vs. inline on MBZ) and will destroy pumps right away. And the Mercedes is destroyed - just not quite as fast? Pretty much. The Bosch inline will run and start on cold wvo. The Stanadyne db2 on the 6.2 will break the main shaft right away with cold wvo. If I could find a Mercedes older than mid-1990's that could seat more than 8 people, still have interior cargo room, and pull a 9,000 lb [4,000 kg] trailer I would gladly consider replacing my Suburban. Nothing out there like your 'burban...they are awesome. Meanwhile, I'm on the lookout for a pickup like what Randy doesn't want. Crewcab, 4WD, manual transmission, 8ft or longer bed, single wheel 1-ton, diesel, pre-1995 preferred as this is to be for rough farm-truck duty. Mine has everything but 4wd. It is for sale. Want details? Mike -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 08/08/2013 4:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: The wires are for the injectors. They are known to go bad and the hatness needs to be replaced so the injectors get the power they need before worrying about replacing any. Injector voltage is critical in a PSD. My truck is a 1990. Mike On Aug 8, 2013 4:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: He was using a code reader of some sort that was giving him readouts that suggested certain injectors if my memory is accurate. He took some of the m apart and found all sorts of crud inside which is why he was unhappy with the re-build. He suggested to the boss that they just send it back and demand a proper job but the boss was convinced it was something that they had done on the install so T?om was very frustrated with it. I will ask him to tell me again this evening and try to retain until tomorrow. Since I have no personal experience with such an engine most of it is over my head and I find it hard to remember the details. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Amarok, I saw it too when I was there in 2011. They look awesome, same engine as the Jetta/Passat -Curt Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 16:22:15 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: 5203fdf7.5000...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I saw a really nice new VW diesel pickup in Argentina, it was sort of the mid-sized size but was really nice. --R On 8/8/13 2:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I was thinking about diesel pickups yesterday. If VW can make a 2.0l 4cyl diesel with 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque why can't somebody make a 4.0l v6 with 200hp 400lb/ft and put it in a 1/2 ton pickup? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 02:48 PM 8/8/2013, Curt wrote: I was thinking about diesel pickups yesterday. If VW can make a 2.0l 4cyl diesel with 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque why can't somebody make a 4.0l v6 with 200hp 400lb/ft and put it in a 1/2 ton pickup? Dodge is supposed to have a V6 diesel option in their 2014 half ton pickup for $2800 extra. I continue to beat around a 2008 Silverado 4.3 4WD on my WV hill farm. No problems yet. I did have to replace the stock tires with mudders. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Man's ingenuity was good. He saw it plainly where he stood, Yet found it easy to resist. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC when Ford first decided to test market diesel pickups, they bought (1000?) engines from IH. Those pickups sold out rapidly. Then they contractes with IH to supply engines. Then they leased the rights to manufacture them. The IH engines were bullet proof. When Ford started making them, the engines were not and they've had various problems ever since. Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy Cummins has been building Diesel engines for 100 years and know how to do it. (read My Days with the Diesel by Clessie Cummins) The problem with the cummins/dogde is weight. That is a heavy sucker. IH v8 engines are good, but the inline 6 (DT466 etc.) is great. same as the 1066 through 1486 tractors. Frod did their best fro screw up the IH engine from what I've heard. I think that contributed heavily to the divorce. The frod IH was not as good as the International IH v8 Diesel engine. Frod's ol tractor division could build a Diesel, and they had automotive versions for the RTW. That was sold off and is now a part of CNH, along with Case, what is left of IH farm, and a few others. It seems like they have dropped the frod name, as the new blue tractor are New Holland I head the frod 240 and 300 gas engines were the same block as the tractor engines. I'm not sure about that, but I know the 240 block was heavy. Right now, I don't think frod or gummit motors could build a good Diesel. The isuzu in the GM stuff seems to be ok, but I'm not sure the jury is on on that yet. Isuzu pretty much ripped off the Mercedes OM engines for some models, like the thermoking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3209/6059 - Release Date: 08/08/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Michael wrote: Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on Fmiser wrote: I disagree. My 123s are much less likely to have seized fasteners, has more replaceable components, and is engineered for maintenance. I think. :) Michael wrote: My truck is not badly rusted and being the OBS Chevy it is super easy and cheap to work on. It is a work truck, maintenance is easy, there is nothing in the way of anything. Took me about 3 hours to swap out the injector pump. requires almost no special tools And a similar vintage Mercedes does? Ever change a Benz injector pump? Yup. So special tools needed for that job. I think the only special tool I regularly use on my 123s is a 9/16 inch wrench I ground down so it's a bit thinner (for adjusting valves). How about a 6.2? A few wrenches for the GM, locking pins, drip tubes, etc for the MBZ. Using the air bubble method, I just used one of the existing injector lines. And on the OM616 and OM617 no pin is used. If I could find a Mercedes older than mid-1990's that could seat more than 8 people, still have interior cargo room, and pull a 9,000 lb [4,000 kg] trailer I would gladly consider replacing my Suburban. Nothing out there like your 'burban...they are awesome. Yeah - I've owned one for more than 25 years. Meanwhile, I'm on the lookout for a pickup like what Randy doesn't want. Crewcab, 4WD, manual transmission, 8ft or longer bed, single wheel 1-ton, diesel, pre-1995 preferred as this is to be for rough farm-truck duty. Mine has everything but 4wd. It is for sale. Want details? Not without four wheel drive. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am thinking about making it 4wd Haven't decided on stock Chevy or a Cummins and HP60. Mike On Aug 8, 2013 7:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Fmiser wrote: Well, what's wrong with a late '80s GM with the Detroit 6.2L? Not as trouble free as an MB, but close. Michael wrote: Comparing to the Benz.it is WAY easier to work on Fmiser wrote: I disagree. My 123s are much less likely to have seized fasteners, has more replaceable components, and is engineered for maintenance. I think. :) Michael wrote: My truck is not badly rusted and being the OBS Chevy it is super easy and cheap to work on. It is a work truck, maintenance is easy, there is nothing in the way of anything. Took me about 3 hours to swap out the injector pump. requires almost no special tools And a similar vintage Mercedes does? Ever change a Benz injector pump? Yup. So special tools needed for that job. I think the only special tool I regularly use on my 123s is a 9/16 inch wrench I ground down so it's a bit thinner (for adjusting valves). How about a 6.2? A few wrenches for the GM, locking pins, drip tubes, etc for the MBZ. Using the air bubble method, I just used one of the existing injector lines. And on the OM616 and OM617 no pin is used. If I could find a Mercedes older than mid-1990's that could seat more than 8 people, still have interior cargo room, and pull a 9,000 lb [4,000 kg] trailer I would gladly consider replacing my Suburban. Nothing out there like your 'burban...they are awesome. Yeah - I've owned one for more than 25 years. Meanwhile, I'm on the lookout for a pickup like what Randy doesn't want. Crewcab, 4WD, manual transmission, 8ft or longer bed, single wheel 1-ton, diesel, pre-1995 preferred as this is to be for rough farm-truck duty. Mine has everything but 4wd. It is for sale. Want details? Not without four wheel drive. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The duramax is a great engine Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think the new diesel engine is Ford designed and produced. Did they not have some dispute with IH and that resulted in departure from use of the IH engines? My mechanic son has done a fair amount of work on diesel pickups in the last year or two. Ford head gaskets etc. GM injectors etc. Expensive and difficult to work on. Either the Dodge with the Cummins is better or his shop does not attract them as I don't think he has done any work on motors in those trucks. The last one I recall him commenting on was suspension work. Randy Cummins has been building Diesel engines for 100 years and know how to do it. (read My Days with the Diesel by Clessie Cummins) The problem with the cummins/dogde is weight. That is a heavy sucker. IH v8 engines are good, but the inline 6 (DT466 etc.) is great. same as the 1066 through 1486 tractors. Frod did their best fro screw up the IH engine from what I've heard. I think that contributed heavily to the divorce. The frod IH was not as good as the International IH v8 Diesel engine. Frod's ol tractor division could build a Diesel, and they had automotive versions for the RTW. That was sold off and is now a part of CNH, along with Case, what is left of IH farm, and a few others. It seems like they have dropped the frod name, as the new blue tractor are New Holland I head the frod 240 and 300 gas engines were the same block as the tractor engines. I'm not sure about that, but I know the 240 block was heavy. Right now, I don't think frod or gummit motors could build a good Diesel. The isuzu in the GM stuff seems to be ok, but I'm not sure the jury is on on that yet. Isuzu pretty much ripped off the Mercedes OM engines for some models, like the thermoking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
Used truck prices are very high right now, actually used vehicle prices in general are very high right now. I've been kind of keeping an eye out and anything in the $10-$15k range is pretty well beat. I think it makes a lot of sense to buy new, especially since the manufacturers are giving HUGE incentives, especially for financing. You should be able to get 0% financing or close to it, thats free money... The other day when my 240D played its most recent game I ended up with a 2013 Chevy SIlverado. I dunno what engine but it had plenty of power in the top end though not much down low. Towing a 240D on a trailer was an interesting experience. Fortunately it had a manual automatic (I dunno what you call those now) and we spent a lot of time in 3rd (of 6) gear climbing the hills to my house. It was a crew cab like yours, plenty big and comfortable. Didn't seem to use much fuel but I can't really gauge as I didn't drive it that much. -Curt Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:03:32 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: 52027de4.60...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am starting to think I should update my truck. My current 02 F150 Supercrew has been good but is essentially, 12 model years old and has about 280K Kil on it. It is getting some rust in the rocker panels and the front seats are wearing out and need repairs. Apart from that, it is really quite good. It is worth very little and the plan would be to pass it on to my younger son and find something newer. I generally do not buy new. I bought this one in mid 2006 with about 146K kil on it then. I have had relatively good luck with it so far. I have replaced things like tires and brakes and batteries but not much else. 3 or 4 COP's but they were not the fault of the truck. It related to a short on an aftermarket remote starter that had been installed prior to my ownership. I have not heard great things about some of the Ford trucks in the later years. They tend to have some engine issues that mine has not. The brand new Fords have a different bunch of engines that may be better but again, I don't usually buy new. If I stay away from Ford that really leaves me with GM and Dodge as I have no plans to buy a Toyota or any of the other import trucks. I have never owned a Chrysler product but might be willing to try a Ram truck. I am tempted to diesels for obvious reasons but don't really need a 3/4 ton so that is likely not going to happen. I want another crew cab setup as I think that is best thing to come along in a long while. Thoughts?? What are you seeing in prices in the USA? Looking at trucks on line last night seems to indicate that the prices are high here. For example, the used truck place that I bought my current truck from has an 07 or 08 GM crew that is pretty loaded and has 140K kil on it listed for $23K. I paid about $17K for this current one in 06. A decent new one would run $36K plus taxes of 13%. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:03:32 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have not heard great things about some of the Ford trucks in the later years. They tend to have some engine issues that mine has not. The brand new Fords have a different bunch of engines that may be better but again, I don't usually buy new. The bad Ford diesels are 2004 - 2006 Ford F250 with the 6 liter diesel engine. A friend of mine and a friend of his had these and both had MANY problems. Apparently, before that time Ford bought their engines. For 2004, they decided to make their own engines -- which had many problems. In 2007, they went back to purchasing engines. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
The bad Ford diesels are 2004 - 2006 Ford F250 with the 6 liter diesel engine. A friend of mine and a friend of his had these and both had MANY problems. Apparently, before that time Ford bought their engines. For 2004, they decided to make their own engines -- which had many problems. In 2007, they went back to purchasing engines. Craig oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:12:22 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? Sorry, I cannot answer that question. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
