Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Rick!!


On 12/22/2017 4:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Just have the shop ‎close to home take pictures (and give an estimate, if you 
are so inclined). Email them to me, and I will post a link. If they want a few 
dollars, I'll start a gofundme page to raise $50 to pay for the inspection and 
pictures.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Just have the shop ‎close to home take pictures (and give an estimate, if you 
are so inclined). Email them to me, and I will post a link. If they want a few 
dollars, I'll start a gofundme page to raise $50 to pay for the inspection and 
pictures.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

    Hi All,

    Yeah, that's a good idea, it never hurts to get another opinion..  
The problem is the distance to the shop that did the work.  The meds. I 
take make it hard for me to drive distances as falling asleep is a real 
possibility.  That means my wife will have to come along and either 
drive or watch me to keep me awake.   The shop I went to yesterday is 
much closer - maybe 5-8 miles.   My wife is so busy I prefer not to 
bother her with any more duties.


    But you all make great valid points.   I may take it back to the 
place who did the structural inspection and see if they can provide an 
estimate to fix it or make an analysis of the damage.


    Thanks for all the comments gang.  The urgent nature of the problem 
is now behind us.  ;-)  Hopefully I will soon get some answers to the 
situation with my 91 300D & decide on a way to get rid of it.


Larry Turner



On 12/20/2017 5:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 20/12/2017 4:43 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
My feelings exactly.    I understand the difficulty doing diagnosis 
from a distance and rust complicates the whole situation.   I may see 
if there are any shops in the area that would give me a estimate of 
what the cost might be to cut out the rusted metal and reattach the 
suspension as it was supposed to be. ;-)


But thanks for the words of caution.  This will be at most a 
secondary car until I decide what to do with it.


\Thanks again,

Larry -

Why not go back to the shop that told you it was bad and have them 
actually show you what they think it wrong with it, and take some photos?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 23:30:39 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes
 wrote:

> But today I made a breakthrough.  I drove the '06 E350 to a local
> chassis/brake/suspension/tire shop  So I rec'd a good health exam
> and more importantly,  I can now drive places by myself to help her do
> some of the chores she has been 100% responsible for during the last
> year or so.  She has always worried about me and I hope that is behind
> us at least partly.. 

Congratulations! May you continue to heal!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for sharing the good news !
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Congrats on the achievement.  That's gotta feel good!


Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 21, 2017 at 10:30 PM
Things have been very busy lately.  Getting ready for Christmas, 
finding a new car, going to PT, etc etc.  even the little things, I am 
useless at doing.  But today I made a breakthrough.  I drove the '06 
E350 to a local chassis/brake/suspension/tire shop that is well 
respected around here and I have used before.I had them check out 
the suspension & steering and to have the tires balanced and rotated. 
The owner and the technician both took the car for test drives and 
went over what they saw with me.  They could find no specific 
problems.  They also confirmed that new axles had been installed on 
the front (it's AWD).  So I rec'd a good health exam and more 
importantly,  I can now drive places by myself to help her do some of 
the chores she has been 100% responsible for during the last year or 
so.  She has always worried about me and I hope that is behind us at 
least partly.. i'm sure she'll still watch after me but now I can help 
and will get the 91 300D into a shop ( or the same shop) to confirm 
their diagnosis.


The owner of the shop where I went today is also a diesel guy with a 
2013 E350D BT . We talked about what the other shop found and he 
agrees with the diagnosis (sight unseen).   hope to get it by sometime 
in the near future for him to look at.


Time for bed gang!

Later

Larry



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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Things have been very busy lately.  Getting ready for Christmas, finding 
a new car, going to PT, etc etc.  even the little things, I am useless 
at doing.  But today I made a breakthrough.  I drove the '06 E350 to a 
local chassis/brake/suspension/tire shop that is well respected around 
here and I have used before.    I had them check out the suspension & 
steering and to have the tires balanced and rotated. The owner and the 
technician both took the car for test drives and went over what they saw 
with me.  They could find no specific problems.  They also confirmed 
that new axles had been installed on the front (it's AWD).  So I rec'd a 
good health exam and more importantly,  I can now drive places by myself 
to help her do some of the chores she has been 100% responsible for 
during the last year or so.  She has always worried about me and I hope 
that is behind us at least partly.. i'm sure she'll still watch after me 
but now I can help and will get the 91 300D into a shop ( or the same 
shop) to confirm their diagnosis.


The owner of the shop where I went today is also a diesel guy with a 
2013 E350D BT . We talked about what the other shop found and he agrees 
with the diagnosis (sight unseen).   hope to get it by sometime in the 
near future for him to look at.


Time for bed gang!

Later

Larry


On 12/20/2017 6:11 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:47:11 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


Why not go back to the shop that told you it was bad and have them
actually show you what they think it wrong with it, and take some
photos?

Yes, what he said!

They condemned it; they should be able (and willing) to show you why.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

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I tried to turn left from a city street and the steering shaft "unscrewed". 
Here I was going down a city street with no steering, or so I first thought. If 
I held down with considerable force on the steering wheel, the car would turn 
right but only turning left enough to keep driving straight ahead while pushing 
down hard on the steering wheel. I managed to get back to the shop by making 
nothing but right turns and installed a steering gear and column from a 
junkyard. That '56 station wagon was my last Chevy.
Gerry 



Curley McLain wrote:
> I had a rear subframe bolt break on my original SDL.  I was close to 
> home.  I heard it break (Impossible not to hear and feel)   I pulled 
> over and saw parts down, but not dragging, so I drove it out to  dead 
> Dougie (who was not dead then) and paid him to fix it while I saddled up 
> and left town with another steed.   I would not want to drive an SDL 
> with a broken subframe bolt far or fast.
> 
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > December 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM
> > Different beast altogether, but we had an 86 Taurus that suffered 
> > rusting of the front subframe mounts. Actually the washers around the 
> > bolts on the bottom rusted through which permitted the rear of the 
> > subframe to drop down some. My wife was driving it home from work at 
> > lunchtime when one broke. She heard it and wondered what it was but 
> > the car seemed ok so she did not worry about it. On the way home in 
> > the evening, the 2nd one broke and then the car did  not steer quite 
> > right so she mentioned it to me when I got home.
> > It did not come undone, thankfully, but it partly pulled the steering 
> > linkage apart.
> > I went to the dealer looking for parts and was advised that it was a 
> > common issue and there was an upgrade kit with heavier galvanized 
> > washers.
> > Would have been nice if Ford had let us know it was something to be 
> > concerned about before it happened.
> > Fortunately my wife was close to home and on a slow residential street 
> > when it happened. It might have been much more exciting if she had 
> > been on a highway at speed and hit a bump or something that triggered 
> > the rusted parts to give way.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Larry sez:

>‎Getting old ain't for sissies.

You got that right.

>‎But I am hoping I will one day get rid of >the walker and move to a cane 

http://www.upliftingmobility.com/improving-mobility/

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Craig sez:

>‎They condemned it; they should be able >(and willing) to show you (and us) 
>why.

There. I fixed it.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:47:11 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Why not go back to the shop that told you it was bad and have them 
> actually show you what they think it wrong with it, and take some
> photos?

Yes, what he said!

They condemned it; they should be able (and willing) to show you why.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You would think so. Don't know of any accidents caused by this issue but 
it did not make me happy. The car was not all that old at the time and 
not rusty underneath.


RB

On 20/12/2017 5:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

Wow - that sounds like a candidate for a NHTSA recall

Larry


On 12/20/2017 2:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Different beast altogether, but we had an 86 Taurus that suffered 
rusting of the front subframe mounts. Actually the washers around the 
bolts on the bottom rusted through which permitted the rear of the 
subframe to drop down some. My wife was driving it home from work at 
lunchtime when one broke. She heard it and wondered what it was but 
the car seemed ok so she did not worry about it. On the way home in 
the evening, the 2nd one broke and then the car did  not steer quite 
right so she mentioned it to me when I got home.
It did not come undone, thankfully, but it partly pulled the steering 
linkage apart.
I went to the dealer looking for parts and was advised that it was a 
common issue and there was an upgrade kit with heavier galvanized 
washers.
Would have been nice if Ford had let us know it was something to be 
concerned about before it happened.
Fortunately my wife was close to home and on a slow residential 
street when it happened. It might have been much more exciting if she 
had been on a highway at speed and hit a bump or something that 
triggered the rusted parts to give way.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Wow - that sounds like a candidate for a NHTSA recall

Larry


On 12/20/2017 2:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Different beast altogether, but we had an 86 Taurus that suffered 
rusting of the front subframe mounts. Actually the washers around the 
bolts on the bottom rusted through which permitted the rear of the 
subframe to drop down some. My wife was driving it home from work at 
lunchtime when one broke. She heard it and wondered what it was but 
the car seemed ok so she did not worry about it. On the way home in 
the evening, the 2nd one broke and then the car did  not steer quite 
right so she mentioned it to me when I got home.
It did not come undone, thankfully, but it partly pulled the steering 
linkage apart.
I went to the dealer looking for parts and was advised that it was a 
common issue and there was an upgrade kit with heavier galvanized 
washers.
Would have been nice if Ford had let us know it was something to be 
concerned about before it happened.
Fortunately my wife was close to home and on a slow residential street 
when it happened. It might have been much more exciting if she had 
been on a highway at speed and hit a bump or something that triggered 
the rusted parts to give way.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hi Mitch,

I'm not sure how much major car work I will ever do again.  My left knee 
has had 5 major surgeries and doing all those operations they have 
shortened my leg by almost 2".  May not sound like a lot but the knee 
uses muscles to fully extend the leg and losing bone length reduces 
leverage.  Even now, 6 months after surgery I cannot fully extend my 
leg.  Having a lift would change things but that's not in the cards.


So the short answer is I will probably never be crawling over, under and 
around like I used to.  I have lost much of my endurance to boot.  Your 
comment about me pulling the hub carrier is interesting.  But I am 
unable to squat, kneel or even get on my butt - problem being mostly the 
transition of getting up and getting down.  Getting old ain't for sissies.


But I am hoping I will one day get rid of the walker and move to a cane 
- hopefully my balance will improve.  The nerve disease Wilton and I 
have does different things to different people.  For me it was loss of 
feeling in my feet (although the pain seems to get through just fine) 
which causes the balance problem.


Thanks for all your help guys,

Larry


On 12/20/2017 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 20, 2017 at 9:51 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
when the rear links and the subframe mounts are loose, the rear end will
get squirrelly, especially crossing RR tracks.  Even at that point, the
car is still drivable.

And from the mechanics' description, either the subframe mount rubbers are shot 
(normal expected behavior after 20 years), or the chassis is rusting out around 
the holes where the mounts bolt up (can fail softly like worn mounts, or maybe 
catastrophically under extreme loads).

How far downhill is LarryT? Is it just a matter of waiting until his knee is 
working again before ripping the subframe out of a car and replacing wheel 
bearings and all suspension bushings, or are his days of major car projects 
gone forever? The wheel bearings will be a very cheap job if Larry can just 
walk the bare hubs into the shop.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/12/2017 4:43 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
My feelings exactly.    I understand the difficulty doing diagnosis 
from a distance and rust complicates the whole situation.   I may see 
if there are any shops in the area that would give me a estimate of 
what the cost might be to cut out the rusted metal and reattach the 
suspension as it was supposed to be. ;-)


But thanks for the words of caution.  This will be at most a secondary 
car until I decide what to do with it.


\Thanks again,

Larry -

Why not go back to the shop that told you it was bad and have them 
actually show you what they think it wrong with it, and take some photos?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

My feelings exactly.    I understand the difficulty doing diagnosis from 
a distance and rust complicates the whole situation.   I may see if 
there are any shops in the area that would give me a estimate of what 
the cost might be to cut out the rusted metal and reattach the 
suspension as it was supposed to be. ;-)


But thanks for the words of caution.  This will be at most a secondary 
car until I decide what to do with it.


\Thanks again,

Larry -


On 12/20/2017 9:08 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes wrote:

If you plan to continue driving it, I suggest you go back to the shop and talk 
to the folks who said it was bad. Get them to put it on the hoist and take some 
good photos of the rusty area that they think condemns it. Do not rely on our 
comments on this list based on a couple of photos that probably do  not show 
the spot that is of concern

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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-12-20  7:22 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner <l02tur...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP 
My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350
Thanks Guys,

All ya'll said sounds very reasonable (and I was glad to hear all you
said).   The reason I believe the "terminal" prediction from my shop is
they had the car for replacement of the bad rear wheel bearing.  (BTW, I
put new Bilsteins on a couple of years ago) They had the car on the lift
prepping to do the bearing when they saw the place where the rust had
separated the "chassis from the suspension" to use their words.  They
had a repair that would have paid them $600 or so in labor and they
suggested I not do that because of the rust problem.   I know no one is
suggesting the shop mis-diagnosed but seems like with $600 on the line
they would have to be pretty sure the problem was real.  Another plus on
the shops side is the technicians are a couple of  W124 enthusiasts.
It's nice to run into guys who love these great old cars as much as I do.

Thanks for the suggestions that she is safe, so far, other than the
(loud) bearing, there is no reason to suspect a problem!  It tracks
perfectly, doesn't make any strange sounds other than the bearing - no
bumps, grinding or other noise I would associate with a body/suspension
separation.   It is VERY nice to have confirmation that we have backup
vehicle that will get us anywhere we are likely to go.

I assume that when the damage gets worse, I will 'feel' something in the
rear - maybe it'll be tail happy?  Course, I won't be driving fast in a
car that's questionable - especially around curves.  But I'm just
guessing.  I really appreciate the comments about how durable your rusty
MBs have been!  Very helpful.!

Larry

;-)


On 12/19/2017 12:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I think the rusty hole is a drain in the floor of the trunk.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What Mitch said!

I don't see any problems in those pictures.  It looks like a car in pretty
good condition.  I am puzzled by the oval hole.   I have seen a very rusty
124 being driven long mile trips.  My 126 certainly qualifies as a
rustbucket, and has a break in the frame, but I am not afraid to drive it
anywhere.    The rustiest car I ever drove was the 115 300D I junked.  I
drove it 750 miles home with the rear fenders flapping in the wind, and it
left jetsam at every bump in the road.

I am certainly not afraid to drive it or buy it.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>

December 18, 2017 at 1:53 PM

What the others said.
The control arms attach to the subframe, right?
And the subframe attaches to the body?

If the subframe to body mount is rusted away, she's dead.
If the body is rusted where the top of the shock attaches, that's
repairable but indicative of the car's impending demise.
If the subframe is rusted where the control arm attaches, it's an
expensive fix to replace the subframe.

Otherwise, all I see is a very new shock, and surface rust on the spring
seat.
I'm not sure what's up with that oval hole in the picture, it looks too
precisely shaped to be a rust through, is it a dirty but intentional
factory hole?

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had that on my Ranger, Angie drove it and didn't notice. We had both replaced 
when it failed out state mandated inspection...

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 3:48:26 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My son recently had a rear spring shackle break on an 02 F150 Supercrew. 
Rusted enough to break off. Front was still attached so no big deal but 
it does make one think when parts like that give it up.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My son recently had a rear spring shackle break on an 02 F150 Supercrew. 
Rusted enough to break off. Front was still attached so no big deal but 
it does make one think when parts like that give it up.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I had a rear subframe bolt break on my original SDL.  I was close to 
home.  I heard it break (Impossible not to hear and feel)   I pulled 
over and saw parts down, but not dragging, so I drove it out to  dead 
Dougie (who was not dead then) and paid him to fix it while I saddled up 
and left town with another steed.   I would not want to drive an SDL 
with a broken subframe bolt far or fast.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM
Different beast altogether, but we had an 86 Taurus that suffered 
rusting of the front subframe mounts. Actually the washers around the 
bolts on the bottom rusted through which permitted the rear of the 
subframe to drop down some. My wife was driving it home from work at 
lunchtime when one broke. She heard it and wondered what it was but 
the car seemed ok so she did not worry about it. On the way home in 
the evening, the 2nd one broke and then the car did  not steer quite 
right so she mentioned it to me when I got home.
It did not come undone, thankfully, but it partly pulled the steering 
linkage apart.
I went to the dealer looking for parts and was advised that it was a 
common issue and there was an upgrade kit with heavier galvanized 
washers.
Would have been nice if Ford had let us know it was something to be 
concerned about before it happened.
Fortunately my wife was close to home and on a slow residential street 
when it happened. It might have been much more exciting if she had 
been on a highway at speed and hit a bump or something that triggered 
the rusted parts to give way.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The front crossmember rusted through on my 1975 Civic, where the track rod 
attached.
One day, I hit the brakes and the car did an immediate left turn when the left 
front suspension slowed down faster than the rest of the car. Scary stuff, and 
the control arm was still firmly attached to the car, just suddenly able to 
move forward and back. That was the day I decided that I much prefer my control 
arms to be triangular with fore and aft mounts to the body, instead of 
attaching to the body at one point and depending on other parts to limit travel 
in unwanted directions. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Different beast altogether, but we had an 86 Taurus that suffered 
rusting of the front subframe mounts. Actually the washers around the 
bolts on the bottom rusted through which permitted the rear of the 
subframe to drop down some. My wife was driving it home from work at 
lunchtime when one broke. She heard it and wondered what it was but the 
car seemed ok so she did not worry about it. On the way home in the 
evening, the 2nd one broke and then the car did  not steer quite right 
so she mentioned it to me when I got home.
It did not come undone, thankfully, but it partly pulled the steering 
linkage apart.
I went to the dealer looking for parts and was advised that it was a 
common issue and there was an upgrade kit with heavier galvanized washers.
Would have been nice if Ford had let us know it was something to be 
concerned about before it happened.
Fortunately my wife was close to home and on a slow residential street 
when it happened. It might have been much more exciting if she had been 
on a highway at speed and hit a bump or something that triggered the 
rusted parts to give way.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/12/2017 8:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:


when the rear links and the subframe mounts are loose, the rear end 
will get squirrelly, especially crossing RR tracks.  Even at that 
point, the car is still drivable. 


What happens with braking in a corner?
I once drove a loaner car from an autobody shop that scared the heck out 
of me when I braked a bit in a corner. I don't know what was wrong with 
it as I only had it for a day and only experienced the thrill on one 
occasion but I would not want to have it happen often.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

What he said. ‎Then send me the photos and I'll post another link. I suspect 
the sub frame is rusted, which doesn't have to be terminal, but it wouldn't be 
cheap to have someone else fix it. 

Rick
  Original Message  
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

If you plan to continue driving it, I suggest you go back to the shop and talk 
to the folks who said it was bad. Get them to put it on the hoist and take some 
good photos of the rusty area that they think condemns it. Do not rely on our 
comments on this list based on a couple of photos that probably do  not show 
the spot that is of concern
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 20, 2017 at 9:51 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

> when the rear links and the subframe mounts are loose, the rear end will 
> get squirrelly, especially crossing RR tracks.  Even at that point, the 
> car is still drivable.

And from the mechanics' description, either the subframe mount rubbers are shot 
(normal expected behavior after 20 years), or the chassis is rusting out around 
the holes where the mounts bolt up (can fail softly like worn mounts, or maybe 
catastrophically under extreme loads). 

How far downhill is LarryT? Is it just a matter of waiting until his knee is 
working again before ripping the subframe out of a car and replacing wheel 
bearings and all suspension bushings, or are his days of major car projects 
gone forever? The wheel bearings will be a very cheap job if Larry can just 
walk the bare hubs into the shop. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The very rusty 124 300D I saw had every panel rusted through along the 
bottom seams. (an probably more places)  I did not look at it closely, 
but I was amazed at how rusty it was.   The owner and his SWMBO both 
loved the car.   They came to look at my really clean SDL that was for 
sale.   They ended up buying the SDL.


when the rear links and the subframe mounts are loose, the rear end will 
get squirrelly, especially crossing RR tracks.  Even at that point, the 
car is still drivable.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 20, 2017 at 7:22 AM
Thanks Guys,

All ya'll said sounds very reasonable (and I was glad to hear all you 
said).   The reason I believe the "terminal" prediction from my shop 
is they had the car for replacement of the bad rear wheel bearing.  
(BTW, I put new Bilsteins on a couple of years ago) They had the car 
on the lift prepping to do the bearing when they saw the place where 
the rust had separated the "chassis from the suspension" to use their 
words.  They had a repair that would have paid them $600 or so in 
labor and they suggested I not do that because of the rust problem.   
I know no one is suggesting the shop mis-diagnosed but seems like with 
$600 on the line they would have to be pretty sure the problem was 
real.  Another plus on the shops side is the technicians are a couple 
of  W124 enthusiasts.  It's nice to run into guys who love these great 
old cars as much as I do.


Thanks for the suggestions that she is safe, so far, other than the 
(loud) bearing, there is no reason to suspect a problem!  It tracks 
perfectly, doesn't make any strange sounds other than the bearing - no 
bumps, grinding or other noise I would associate with a 
body/suspension separation.   It is VERY nice to have confirmation 
that we have backup vehicle that will get us anywhere we are likely to 
go.


I assume that when the damage gets worse, I will 'feel' something in 
the rear - maybe it'll be tail happy?  Course, I won't be driving fast 
in a car that's questionable - especially around curves.  But I'm just 
guessing.  I really appreciate the comments about how durable your 
rusty MBs have been!  Very helpful.!


Larry

;-)




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Curley McLain 
December 18, 2017 at 9:35 PM
What Mitch said!

I don't see any problems in those pictures.  It looks like a car in 
pretty good condition.  I am puzzled by the oval hole.   I have seen a 
very rusty 124 being driven long mile trips.  My 126 certainly 
qualifies as a rustbucket, and has a break in the frame, but I am not 
afraid to drive it anywhere.The rustiest car I ever drove was the 
115 300D I junked.  I drove it 750 miles home with the rear fenders 
flapping in the wind, and it left jetsam at every bump in the road.


I am certainly not afraid to drive it or buy it.




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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

If you plan to continue driving it, I suggest you go back to the shop and talk 
to the folks who said it was bad. Get them to put it on the hoist and take some 
good photos of the rusty area that they think condemns it. Do not rely on our 
comments on this list based on a couple of photos that probably do  not show 
the spot that is of concern

Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Larry Turner via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-12-20  7:22 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner <l02tur...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
[MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350 
Thanks Guys,

All ya'll said sounds very reasonable (and I was glad to hear all you 
said).   The reason I believe the "terminal" prediction from my shop is 
they had the car for replacement of the bad rear wheel bearing.  (BTW, I 
put new Bilsteins on a couple of years ago) They had the car on the lift 
prepping to do the bearing when they saw the place where the rust had 
separated the "chassis from the suspension" to use their words.  They 
had a repair that would have paid them $600 or so in labor and they 
suggested I not do that because of the rust problem.   I know no one is 
suggesting the shop mis-diagnosed but seems like with $600 on the line 
they would have to be pretty sure the problem was real.  Another plus on 
the shops side is the technicians are a couple of  W124 enthusiasts.  
It's nice to run into guys who love these great old cars as much as I do.

Thanks for the suggestions that she is safe, so far, other than the 
(loud) bearing, there is no reason to suspect a problem!  It tracks 
perfectly, doesn't make any strange sounds other than the bearing - no 
bumps, grinding or other noise I would associate with a body/suspension 
separation.   It is VERY nice to have confirmation that we have backup 
vehicle that will get us anywhere we are likely to go.

I assume that when the damage gets worse, I will 'feel' something in the 
rear - maybe it'll be tail happy?  Course, I won't be driving fast in a 
car that's questionable - especially around curves.  But I'm just 
guessing.  I really appreciate the comments about how durable your rusty 
MBs have been!  Very helpful.!

Larry

;-)


On 12/19/2017 12:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> I think the rusty hole is a drain in the floor of the trunk.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> What Mitch said!
>>
>> I don't see any problems in those pictures.  It looks like a car in pretty
>> good condition.  I am puzzled by the oval hole.   I have seen a very rusty
>> 124 being driven long mile trips.  My 126 certainly qualifies as a
>> rustbucket, and has a break in the frame, but I am not afraid to drive it
>> anywhere.    The rustiest car I ever drove was the 115 300D I junked.  I
>> drove it 750 miles home with the rear fenders flapping in the wind, and it
>> left jetsam at every bump in the road.
>>
>> I am certainly not afraid to drive it or buy it.
>>
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> December 18, 2017 at 1:53 PM
>>>
>>> What the others said.
>>> The control arms attach to the subframe, right?
>>> And the subframe attaches to the body?
>>>
>>> If the subframe to body mount is rusted away, she's dead.
>>> If the body is rusted where the top of the shock attaches, that's
>>> repairable but indicative of the car's impending demise.
>>> If the subframe is rusted where the control arm attaches, it's an
>>> expensive fix to replace the subframe.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, all I see is a very new shock, and surface rust on the spring
>>> seat.
>>> I'm not sure what's up with that oval hole in the picture, it looks too
>>> precisely shaped to be a rust through, is it a dirty but intentional
>>> factory hole?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks Guys,

All ya'll said sounds very reasonable (and I was glad to hear all you 
said).   The reason I believe the "terminal" prediction from my shop is 
they had the car for replacement of the bad rear wheel bearing.  (BTW, I 
put new Bilsteins on a couple of years ago) They had the car on the lift 
prepping to do the bearing when they saw the place where the rust had 
separated the "chassis from the suspension" to use their words.  They 
had a repair that would have paid them $600 or so in labor and they 
suggested I not do that because of the rust problem.   I know no one is 
suggesting the shop mis-diagnosed but seems like with $600 on the line 
they would have to be pretty sure the problem was real.  Another plus on 
the shops side is the technicians are a couple of  W124 enthusiasts.  
It's nice to run into guys who love these great old cars as much as I do.


Thanks for the suggestions that she is safe, so far, other than the 
(loud) bearing, there is no reason to suspect a problem!  It tracks 
perfectly, doesn't make any strange sounds other than the bearing - no 
bumps, grinding or other noise I would associate with a body/suspension 
separation.   It is VERY nice to have confirmation that we have backup 
vehicle that will get us anywhere we are likely to go.


I assume that when the damage gets worse, I will 'feel' something in the 
rear - maybe it'll be tail happy?  Course, I won't be driving fast in a 
car that's questionable - especially around curves.  But I'm just 
guessing.  I really appreciate the comments about how durable your rusty 
MBs have been!  Very helpful.!


Larry

;-)


On 12/19/2017 12:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I think the rusty hole is a drain in the floor of the trunk.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What Mitch said!

I don't see any problems in those pictures.  It looks like a car in pretty
good condition.  I am puzzled by the oval hole.   I have seen a very rusty
124 being driven long mile trips.  My 126 certainly qualifies as a
rustbucket, and has a break in the frame, but I am not afraid to drive it
anywhere.The rustiest car I ever drove was the 115 300D I junked.  I
drove it 750 miles home with the rear fenders flapping in the wind, and it
left jetsam at every bump in the road.

I am certainly not afraid to drive it or buy it.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 

December 18, 2017 at 1:53 PM

What the others said.
The control arms attach to the subframe, right?
And the subframe attaches to the body?

If the subframe to body mount is rusted away, she's dead.
If the body is rusted where the top of the shock attaches, that's
repairable but indicative of the car's impending demise.
If the subframe is rusted where the control arm attaches, it's an
expensive fix to replace the subframe.

Otherwise, all I see is a very new shock, and surface rust on the spring
seat.
I'm not sure what's up with that oval hole in the picture, it looks too
precisely shaped to be a rust through, is it a dirty but intentional
factory hole?

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think the rusty hole is a drain in the floor of the trunk.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What Mitch said!
>
> I don't see any problems in those pictures.  It looks like a car in pretty
> good condition.  I am puzzled by the oval hole.   I have seen a very rusty
> 124 being driven long mile trips.  My 126 certainly qualifies as a
> rustbucket, and has a break in the frame, but I am not afraid to drive it
> anywhere.The rustiest car I ever drove was the 115 300D I junked.  I
> drove it 750 miles home with the rear fenders flapping in the wind, and it
> left jetsam at every bump in the road.
>
> I am certainly not afraid to drive it or buy it.
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> December 18, 2017 at 1:53 PM
>>
>> What the others said.
>> The control arms attach to the subframe, right?
>> And the subframe attaches to the body?
>>
>> If the subframe to body mount is rusted away, she's dead.
>> If the body is rusted where the top of the shock attaches, that's
>> repairable but indicative of the car's impending demise.
>> If the subframe is rusted where the control arm attaches, it's an
>> expensive fix to replace the subframe.
>>
>> Otherwise, all I see is a very new shock, and surface rust on the spring
>> seat.
>> I'm not sure what's up with that oval hole in the picture, it looks too
>> precisely shaped to be a rust through, is it a dirty but intentional
>> factory hole?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What Mitch said!

I don't see any problems in those pictures.  It looks like a car in 
pretty good condition.  I am puzzled by the oval hole.   I have seen a 
very rusty 124 being driven long mile trips.  My 126 certainly qualifies 
as a rustbucket, and has a break in the frame, but I am not afraid to 
drive it anywhere.The rustiest car I ever drove was the 115 300D I 
junked.  I drove it 750 miles home with the rear fenders flapping in the 
wind, and it left jetsam at every bump in the road.


I am certainly not afraid to drive it or buy it.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 18, 2017 at 1:53 PM
What the others said.
The control arms attach to the subframe, right?
And the subframe attaches to the body?

If the subframe to body mount is rusted away, she's dead.
If the body is rusted where the top of the shock attaches, that's 
repairable but indicative of the car's impending demise.
If the subframe is rusted where the control arm attaches, it's an 
expensive fix to replace the subframe.


Otherwise, all I see is a very new shock, and surface rust on the 
spring seat.
I'm not sure what's up with that oval hole in the picture, it looks 
too precisely shaped to be a rust through, is it a dirty but 
intentional factory hole?


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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What the others said.
The control arms attach to the subframe, right?
And the subframe attaches to the body?

If the subframe to body mount is rusted away, she's dead.
If the body is rusted where the top of the shock attaches, that's repairable 
but indicative of the car's impending demise. 
If the subframe is rusted where the control arm attaches, it's an expensive fix 
to replace the subframe.
 
Otherwise, all I see is a very new shock, and surface rust on the spring seat. 
I'm not sure what's up with that oval hole in the picture, it looks too 
precisely shaped to be a rust through, is it a dirty but intentional factory 
hole?

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, your link works. No, I don't see the parts in question.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Larry sez:
>
> >I sent the photos again last night - did you get them?
>
> Yes, I did. I don't see any damage though.
> The control arm mount(s) are more inboard
> (toward the center of the car) than what the pictures show.
>
> Please let me know if this link works or not.
> I have never shared files with M$ One Drive.
>
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjF3p3F8nFD-gmcHbdWpRwSNIZji
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

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I don’t see any damage. Either it was a lie or the photos are in the wrong area.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Larry sez:
> 
>> I sent the photos again last night - did you get them?
> 
> Yes, I did. I don't see any damage though.
> The control arm mount(s) are more inboard
> (toward the center of the car) than what the pictures show.
> 
> Please let me know if this link works or not.
> I have never shared files with M$ One Drive.
> 
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjF3p3F8nFD-gmcHbdWpRwSNIZji
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Larry sez:

>I sent the photos again last night - did you get them?

Yes, I did. I don't see any damage though.
The control arm mount(s) are more inboard
(toward the center of the car) than what the pictures show.

Please let me know if this link works or not.
I have never shared files with M$ One Drive.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjF3p3F8nFD-gmcHbdWpRwSNIZji

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hi Rick,

I sent the photos again last night - did you get them?

Larry


On 12/16/2017 10:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Larry asks:


‎BTW, did the photos of the rear wheel >area of my 91 300D make it to the list?

Nope, they sure didn't.
If you want, send them to me in a private email, and I will put them on a cloud 
photo service (probably Dropbox or Picasa) and post a link.

rickkno...@hotmail.com

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Larry asks:

>‎BTW, did the photos of the rear wheel >area of my 91 300D make it to the list?

Nope, they sure didn't. 
If you want, send them to me in a private email, and I will put them on a cloud 
photo service (probably Dropbox or Picasa) and post a link. 

rickkno...@hotmail.com

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

BTW, did the photos of the rear wheel area of my 91 300D make it to the 
list?    My mail seems to drop messages for some reason.


LarryT


On 12/16/2017 11:04 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

` re the Cruze, Thanks for the offer.  But i will pass.

    I am now committed to the 06 E350 AWD.  It appears to be maxed out 
with options - lumbar adj, heated seats, c changer in trunk, Harmon 
Karden Stereo, etc. And everything works!  I found an owners manual on 
the MB website (over 500 pages!) and as luck will have it, I found in 
my "Library" of MB lit picked up over the years at the dealer - a 
large format sales brochure for the 2006 E Class.  I also have an 06 S 
Class brochure i asked for in a moment of lusting for extreme luxury ;-)


    All very interesting stuff as I like to gather as much research 
material on my cars as possible.  I plan to pick the car up Monday - 
the owners is going to have the car detailed today and also get a 
fresh Va State Inspection.   The owner had a recent tuneup and has he 
receipt which i will get.  I guess the thing a gasser has going for it 
is all the ignition components that used to require regular maint now 
last 100K instead of 10 or 15K.  Also had the 4 axles replaced.


One thing - the Battery light was on in the speedo - he said there are 
2 batteries - one for the optional equip and another for the engine.  
The light is on because he replaced the battery for the optional 
equipment and the dealer needs to reset the "replace battery " light 
so it updates the battery to the optional equip. I visualize it's like 
when the battery is disconnected for a while and the radio must be 
reset.  Anyway, he's going to take care of it as well.


Hopefully by Monday afternoon my wife will have a newer car to go places.

Thanks for all the help guys  -  I hope to be walking without a walker 
(at least I'm 100% out of the wheelchair)  and driving a diesel MB 
again one day soon.


Merry Christmas!

Larry


On 12/14/2017 2:23 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Want me to ask Mao to deliver it to you?

Did you ask?
Let's chat that up?
Mao

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

`    re the Cruze, Thanks for the offer.  But i will pass.

    I am now committed to the 06 E350 AWD.  It appears to be maxed out 
with options - lumbar adj, heated seats, c changer in trunk, Harmon 
Karden Stereo, etc. And everything works!  I found an owners manual on 
the MB website (over 500 pages!) and as luck will have it, I found in my 
"Library" of MB lit picked up over the years at the dealer - a large 
format sales brochure for the 2006 E Class.  I also have an 06 S Class 
brochure i asked for in a moment of lusting for extreme luxury ;-)


    All very interesting stuff as I like to gather as much research 
material on my cars as possible.  I plan to pick the car up Monday - the 
owners is going to have the car detailed today and also get a fresh Va 
State Inspection.   The owner had a recent tuneup and has he receipt 
which i will get.  I guess the thing a gasser has going for it is all 
the ignition components that used to require regular maint now last 100K 
instead of 10 or 15K.  Also had the 4 axles replaced.


One thing - the Battery light was on in the speedo - he said there are 2 
batteries - one for the optional equip and another for the engine.  The 
light is on because he replaced the battery for the optional equipment 
and the dealer needs to reset the "replace battery " light so it updates 
the battery to the optional equip. I visualize it's like when the 
battery is disconnected for a while and the radio must be reset.  
Anyway, he's going to take care of it as well.


Hopefully by Monday afternoon my wife will have a newer car to go places.

Thanks for all the help guys  -  I hope to be walking without a walker 
(at least I'm 100% out of the wheelchair)  and driving a diesel MB again 
one day soon.


Merry Christmas!

Larry


On 12/14/2017 2:23 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Want me to ask Mao to deliver it to you?

Did you ask?
Let's chat that up?
Mao

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Mitch wrote:
> Want me to ask Mao to deliver it to you?

Did you ask?
Let's chat that up?
Mao

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Our '96 Infiniti I30, gasser, had about 85k miles in a little over three
years of life when we bought it at auction for about 50% of the wholesale
cost.  It has been a great car, for a gasser.  It has three redeeming
features: 5-speed manual, cloth seats, and no sunroof.  235k miles now.

My point: don't be afraid of an auction car.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 14, 2017 at 9:18 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> There’s a TRD that parks next to me at work.  I have referred to it as such 
> with the owner present. They don’t seem to appreciate my levity.  Too bad.

Yeah, Toyota Racing Division makes for an unfortunate acronym, one that's 
immediately obvious to everybody I know, so I don't know why it continues to 
escape the notice of Toyota. 

Then there's Honda Racing Corporation, which was a fine name until Mrs Clinton 
became a politician.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

There’s a TRD that parks next to me at work.  I have referred to it as such 
with the owner present. They don’t seem to appreciate my levity.  Too bad.

-D

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never been able to take a couple of vehicles seriously;  1. the TRD  Why 
> would anyone name their hunk o junk TuRD?   2.  The Passat.  Why would anyone 
> name a car Pissant?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've never been able to take a couple of vehicles seriously;  1. the 
TRD  Why would anyone name their hunk o junk TuRD?   2.  The Passat.  
Why would anyone name a car Pissant?



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 14, 2017 at 7:49 AM
Having driven a gas Cruze, its an okay car but the Jetta is betta. 
Sorry, couldn't resist.The only thing I don't like about the Jetta and 
I've only seen this in the gas version is that the steering wheel 
profile, the part where you put your hands I mean, isn't round, its 
oval shaped and since I don't drive in the 10 and 2 system its 
uncomfortable for me. Ford has cars like that now, I'm wondering if 
its some kind of govt. bunkus.
IIRC a current generation Jetta is pretty much the same size as a 124 
car. If its too small look at a Passat which is a bit bigger.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Having driven a gas Cruze, its an okay car but the Jetta is betta. Sorry, 
couldn't resist.The only thing I don't like about the Jetta and I've only seen 
this in the gas version is that the steering wheel profile, the part where you 
put your hands I mean, isn't round, its oval shaped and since I don't drive in 
the 10 and 2 system its uncomfortable for me. Ford has cars like that now, I'm 
wondering if its some kind of govt. bunkus.
IIRC a current generation Jetta is pretty much the same size as a 124 car. If 
its too small look at a Passat which is a bit bigger.
-Curt
 

On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 8:17:35 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I'd rather have a 2016 Cruze (current generation) than a 2014 Jetta. 
Want me to ask Mao to deliver it to you?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'd rather have a 2016 Cruze (current generation) than a 2014 Jetta. 
Want me to ask Mao to deliver it to you?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 14, 2017 at 7:18 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It appears the car was sold by the salvage site after the car was 
> repossessed.  After getting the Carfax, VIN check and other background, 
> I am confident the car never had a salvage title.

Yes, some banks send repos to CoPart and Insurance Auto Auction. 
Probably puts it physically one step above a recovered theft car with no 
obvious damage, in both cases it's driven by somebody who didn't pay for it. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

It appears the car was sold by the salvage site after the car was 
repossessed.  After getting the Carfax, VIN check and other background, 
I am confident the car never had a salvage title.


What some said about our change in lifestyle now that we are both 
retired makes a lot of sense.   With no more round trips to work our 
driving is really much reduced and I can see  how a diesel might not get 
hot enough to force any condensation inside the engine.  so it sounds 
like a gasser is the logical choice.


We hope to test the E350 today as well as a 2014  Jetta gasser. I am 
still apprehensive about a newer gas car, there are so many electronic 
devices and all the problems that come with it.  Too bad there's not a 
new 91 300D or even an '85 300D (W123) but with all the creature 
comforts my wife is looking for.  I fear she will be disappointed when 
we get the MB or VW (but I think the VW will be to small for me to get 
in and out of with my leg)  but that's another issue.


Thanks to everyone for all the help!  ;-)

LarryT


On 12/13/2017 5:06 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 13, 2017 at 3:23 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Yeah,, I saw that Salvage Site ad also - then I read they also sell
clean titles.  Well, it's clear i need to do more DD.

It might be that Carfax has some accident report or salvage sale history that 
VehicleHistory didn't pick up, but VehicleHistory even had the accident report 
for my 2017 Cruze, and the CoPart auction for my 2016 Cruze but not my 2017 
Cruze or my ML350.

My ML350 had a clear Carfax last I knew, it was a total loss for Comprehensive 
not Collision.

Here's what Vehiclehistory says happened to my 2017:
07-20-2017  County :Erie
State :OH
Vehicle Description : 2017 Chevrolet Cruze
Type of Crash: Sideswipe, Same Direction
Vehicle Type: Compact For: Personal Use
Vehicle Body Style: Compact
Impact Type: Motor Vehicle In Transport
Vehicle Maneuver: Vehicle Straight Ahead
Posted Speed: 70 MPH
Estimated Speed: 70 MPH
Vehicle Action: Both Striking And Struck
Initial Impact: Left Rear
Harmful Event 1: Motor Vehicle In Transport
Harmful Event 2: Ran Off Road Left
Harmful Event 3: Median Concrete Barrier
Vehicle Parked?: No
Struck Fixed Object?: Yes
Vehicle Struck Animal?: No
Damage Area 1: Left Rear
Most Damaged Area: Left Front
Damage Severity: Disabling Damage
Vehicle Disabled?: Yes
Towing Indicator?: Yes
Occupant Extricated?: No
Driver Airbag Status: Deployed Both Front/side
Pass. Airbag Deployed?: Yes

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 13, 2017 at 3:31 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks -
> 
> Not sure who I should thank for this - but whoever sent it,, Thanks!
> 
> Now, I need to decide if I trust CarFax or the report when they say it 
> was never a salvage vehicle.

The title should say whether it was salvage or not. 
Maybe that salvage auction listing accumulation site has wholesale auctions too?

Carfax thinks a dealer took it in trade and flipped it at the wholesale auction 
last year.
Unfortunately I don't think I can search the auction history that far back. 

9/19/16
136,786 mi.
Auto Auction
Eastern Region Listed as a dealer vehicle
Vehicle sold at auction

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 13, 2017 at 3:23 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeah,, I saw that Salvage Site ad also - then I read they also sell 
> clean titles.  Well, it's clear i need to do more DD.

It might be that Carfax has some accident report or salvage sale history that 
VehicleHistory didn't pick up, but VehicleHistory even had the accident report 
for my 2017 Cruze, and the CoPart auction for my 2016 Cruze but not my 2017 
Cruze or my ML350. 

My ML350 had a clear Carfax last I knew, it was a total loss for Comprehensive 
not Collision. 

Here's what Vehiclehistory says happened to my 2017:
07-20-2017  County :Erie
State :OH
Vehicle Description : 2017 Chevrolet Cruze
Type of Crash: Sideswipe, Same Direction
Vehicle Type: Compact For: Personal Use
Vehicle Body Style: Compact
Impact Type: Motor Vehicle In Transport
Vehicle Maneuver: Vehicle Straight Ahead
Posted Speed: 70 MPH
Estimated Speed: 70 MPH
Vehicle Action: Both Striking And Struck
Initial Impact: Left Rear
Harmful Event 1: Motor Vehicle In Transport
Harmful Event 2: Ran Off Road Left
Harmful Event 3: Median Concrete Barrier
Vehicle Parked?: No
Struck Fixed Object?: Yes
Vehicle Struck Animal?: No
Damage Area 1: Left Rear
Most Damaged Area: Left Front
Damage Severity: Disabling Damage
Vehicle Disabled?: Yes
Towing Indicator?: Yes
Occupant Extricated?: No
Driver Airbag Status: Deployed Both Front/side
Pass. Airbag Deployed?: Yes

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks -

Not sure who I should thank for this - but whoever sent it,, Thanks!

Now, I need to decide if I trust CarFax or the report when they say it 
was never a salvage vehicle.


Thanks,

Larry


On 12/13/2017 12:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

CARFAX History-Based Retail Value
$5,970
TAP TO VIEW
Vehicle History Report™
2006 MERCEDES-BENZ E3504M AWD
VIN: WDBUF87J86X180971
SEDAN 4 DR
3.5L V6 F DOHC 24V
GASOLINE
ALL WHEEL DRIVE
No accidents reported to CARFAX
No other damage reported to CARFAX
5 Previous owners
18 Service history records
Types of owners: Personal lease, Personal
142,732 Last reported odometer reading
This CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to 
CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have 
been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a 
vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next 
used car.

CARFAX Title History
CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt | Fire
Flood | Hail | LemonGuaranteed
No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits  Guaranteed
No Problem
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state 
Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title 
problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will 
buy this vehicle back.  View Terms
CARFAX Additional History
Not all accidents / issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss
No total loss reported to CARFAX.   
Structural Damage
No structural damage reported to CARFAX.
Airbag Deployment
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
Odometer Check
No indication of an odometer rollback.  
Accident / Damage
No accidents or damage reported to CARFAX.  
Manufacturer Recall
Check with an authorized Mercedes-Benz dealer for any open recalls. No 
Recalls Reported
CARFAX Detailed History
Owner 1
Purchased: 2005Personal lease vehicle
Mileage:Source: Comments:
5/16/05
10 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Pre-delivery inspection completed
6/30/05
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Vehicle sold
7/14/05
48 mi.
New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Roanoke, TX
Title #GD20051950399Title issued or updated
First owner reported
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Two states? Vehicle leasing companies often title a car in one state but 
register it to be driven in another.
9/13/05
2,779 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Electrical system checked
Engine checked
Body computer/module reprogrammed
9/22/05
3,007 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Body computer/module reprogrammed
11/30/05
5,609 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Oil and filter changed
1/23/06
8,102 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Engine checked
Tires rotated
2/15/06
9,180 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Engine checked
4/17/06
9,189 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Seatbelts checked
4/20/06
11,165 mi.
Auto Auction
PennsylvaniaListed as a dealer vehicle
Vehicle sold at auction
Millions of used vehicles are bought and sold at auction every year.
4/21/06
Prestige Motors Inc.
PARAMUS, NJ
201-265-7800
prestigemb.com  Vehicle sold
Owner 2
Purchased: 2006
Personal vehicle
12,888 mi./yr
Mileage:Source: Comments:
4/25/06
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported
5/17/06
11,169 mi.
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport News, VATitle or registration issued
New owner reported
1/16/07
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport News, VARegistration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
1/9/08
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport News, VARegistration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
1/17/09
57,291 mi.
Tysinger Motor Company Inc.
Hampton, VA
757-865-8000
tysinger.comMaintenance inspection completed
1/21/09
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport News, VARegistration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
3/24/09
60,023 mi.
Tysinger Motor Company Inc.
Hampton, VA
757-865-8000
tysinger.comRecommended maintenance performed
Maintenance inspection completed
Engine oil filler cap/seal replaced
1/21/10
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport News, VARegistration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
12/16/10
80,844 mi.
Tysinger Motor Company Inc.
Hampton, VA
757-865-8000
tysinger.comMaintenance inspection completed
Headlight bulb(s) replaced
Headlight(s) replaced
1/20/11
Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport News, VARegistration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
8/24/11
91,305 mi.
Tysinger Motor Company Inc.
Hampton, VA
757-865-8000
tysinger.comMaintenance inspection completed
Recommended maintenance performed
Tire(s) 

Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks!  Exactly what I needed!  BTW, the Edmunds price at the bottom 
put the price closer to $5000 so that gives me some negotiating power.

Sincerely,
Larry

On 12/13/2017 10:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 13, 2017 at 10:16 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Hi again,

  We're considering a '06 E350 and I need someone to run the Carfax
if possible?  the VIN is WDBUF87J86X180971

Wow, it's a Designo:
https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/WDBUF87J86X180971

Been in Virginia its whole life:
https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report.php?vin=WDBUF87J86X180971

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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

CARFAX History-Based Retail Value
$5,970
TAP TO VIEW 
Vehicle History Report™
2006 MERCEDES-BENZ E3504M AWD
VIN: WDBUF87J86X180971
SEDAN 4 DR
3.5L V6 F DOHC 24V
GASOLINE
ALL WHEEL DRIVE
No accidents reported to CARFAX
No other damage reported to CARFAX
5 Previous owners
18 Service history records
Types of owners: Personal lease, Personal
142,732 Last reported odometer reading
This CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to 
CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have 
been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a 
vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next 
used car.

CARFAX Title History
CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt | Fire 
Flood | Hail | LemonGuaranteed
No Problem 
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits  Guaranteed
No Problem 
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state 
Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title 
problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will 
buy this vehicle back.  View Terms
CARFAX Additional History
Not all accidents / issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss
No total loss reported to CARFAX.   
Structural Damage
No structural damage reported to CARFAX.
Airbag Deployment
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
Odometer Check
No indication of an odometer rollback.  
Accident / Damage
No accidents or damage reported to CARFAX.  
Manufacturer Recall
Check with an authorized Mercedes-Benz dealer for any open recalls. No 
Recalls Reported
CARFAX Detailed History
Owner 1
Purchased: 2005Personal lease vehicle 
Mileage:Source: Comments:
5/16/05
10 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc. 
PARAMUS, NJ 
201-265-7800 
prestigemb.com  Pre-delivery inspection completed
6/30/05
Prestige Motors Inc. 
PARAMUS, NJ 
201-265-7800 
prestigemb.com  Vehicle sold
7/14/05
48 mi.
New Jersey 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Roanoke, TX 
Title #GD20051950399Title issued or updated
First owner reported
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle 
Two states? Vehicle leasing companies often title a car in one state but 
register it to be driven in another.
9/13/05
2,779 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc. 
PARAMUS, NJ 
201-265-7800 
prestigemb.com  Electrical system checked
Engine checked
Body computer/module reprogrammed 
9/22/05
3,007 mi.
Prestige Motors Inc. 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here is the build ticket from the EPC:

http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E=WDBUF87J86X180971

-D


> On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi again,
> 
> We're considering a '06 E350 and I need someone to run the Carfax if 
> possible?  the VIN is WDBUF87J86X180971
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/7/2017 2:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 14:15:37 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> My understanding from an off-list message from Larry is that the
>>> suspension connection point on the body is rusted.  I think that means
>>> that a rear axle sub-frame bushing mount is no longer a mount attached
>>> to the body.
>> I know we have tried to get pictures from Larry before without success,
>> but:
>> 
>> 
>> Larry: Please provide a picture of the affected area so we can
>>judge the accuracy of the information you were given!
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 13, 2017 at 10:46 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow, it's a Designo:
> https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/WDBUF87J86X180971

Oops, I misread the vindecoderz page, it's not Designo, but it does have rear 
window blinds. 
This site gives a more readable options list:
http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/vin_check?su=my9wwl-3mx4o

And that clean vehiclehistory report is suspect, because I found this:

www.salvagebid.com/268727427-2006-mercedes-benz-e/
Sep 1, 2016 - Vin – WDBUF87J86X180971: Bid and win 2006 Mercedes-benz E 6 Cyl 
for sale at YORKTOWN, VA by September 01, 2016. Bid and win clean and salvage 
titled cars on Salvagebid.com, at the lowest price.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 13, 2017 at 10:16 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi again,
> 
>  We're considering a '06 E350 and I need someone to run the Carfax 
> if possible?  the VIN is WDBUF87J86X180971

Wow, it's a Designo:
https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/WDBUF87J86X180971

Been in Virginia its whole life:
https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report.php?vin=WDBUF87J86X180971

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Re: [MBZ] RIP My 91 300D Now Possible '06 E350

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hi again,

    We're considering a '06 E350 and I need someone to run the Carfax 
if possible?  the VIN is WDBUF87J86X180971


    Thanks again!

LarryT



On 12/7/2017 2:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 14:15:37 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:


My understanding from an off-list message from Larry is that the
suspension connection point on the body is rusted.  I think that means
that a rear axle sub-frame bushing mount is no longer a mount attached
to the body.

I know we have tried to get pictures from Larry before without success,
but:


 Larry: Please provide a picture of the affected area so we can
judge the accuracy of the information you were given!


Craig

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