Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Maybe one of the mods involved changes that affected the accuracy of the
odometer / trip-meter, so it wasn't really getting such terrific mileage?

Anyone else remember the Car Talk story about the mechanics messing with
their boss's car, secretly adding fuel to his tank so he thought he was
getting unbelievable mileage?  After a while of adding fuel, so he thought
he was getting REALLY good mileage, they started decreasing the amount they
were adding and then started draining fuel from his tank, and he became
convinced his car was a real turd.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:59 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I personally drove a 77 full size Olds Cutlass with a 350 V8 on loan from
> the dealership which got 35 mpg on the highway doing 70-75 with the AC on
> in July. I wanted the car, but the dealership said they couldn't sell it
> because as their loaner they'd made mods which didn't meet EPA
> rules/regulations.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
As was featured in a Gomer Pyle episode...
-Curt


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Maybe one of the mods involved changes that affected the accuracy of the
odometer / trip-meter, so it wasn't really getting such terrific mileage?

Anyone else remember the Car Talk story about the mechanics messing with
their boss's car, secretly adding fuel to his tank so he thought he was
getting unbelievable mileage?  After a while of adding fuel, so he thought
he was getting REALLY good mileage, they started decreasing the amount they
were adding and then started draining fuel from his tank, and he became
convinced his car was a real turd.

-
Max
Charleston SC



On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:59 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I personally drove a 77 full size Olds Cutlass with a 350 V8 on loan from
> the dealership which got 35 mpg on the highway doing 70-75 with the AC on
> in July. I wanted the car, but the dealership said they couldn't sell it
> because as their loaner they'd made mods which didn't meet EPA
> rules/regulations.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I could see myself fitting in really well around their place.  Not to mention 
the pasta would be good, too.

Dan

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> On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe one of the mods involved changes that affected the accuracy of the
> odometer / trip-meter, so it wasn't really getting such terrific mileage?
> 
> Anyone else remember the Car Talk story about the mechanics messing with
> their boss's car, secretly adding fuel to his tank so he thought he was
> getting unbelievable mileage?  After a while of adding fuel, so he thought
> he was getting REALLY good mileage, they started decreasing the amount they
> were adding and then started draining fuel from his tank, and he became
> convinced his car was a real turd.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:59 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I personally drove a 77 full size Olds Cutlass with a 350 V8 on loan from
>> the dealership which got 35 mpg on the highway doing 70-75 with the AC on
>> in July. I wanted the car, but the dealership said they couldn't sell it
>> because as their loaner they'd made mods which didn't meet EPA
>> rules/regulations.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
I suspect I am but Gomer lives on in syndication. I remember watching the 
episode many years ago, near as I can remember Gomer buys the car from some 
other guy in his unit, the guy thinks he's really getting Gomer good because 
the car gets lousy gas mileage. So another guy sneaks gas into the car every 
night while Gomer owns it so it barely uses any gas at all. Finally the other 
guy begs Gomer to sell him the car back so the prankster starts stealing gas 
from him so now the car gets really awful gas mileage...
I remember thinking that it was a pretty funny prank...
-Curt


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 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:05 PM
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That's before my time.  I thought you were younger than I?

-
Max
Charleston SC



On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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As was featured in a Gomer Pyle episode...
-Curt

   



  
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
That's before my time.  I thought you were younger than I?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> As was featured in a Gomer Pyle episode...
> -Curt
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
Meade, Curt, 
The 77 Cutlass actually got that mileage. I was suspicious so I compared its 
odometer against the mile markers on Interstate 65 in Indiana. The odometer was 
accurate. The engine really got around 35 mpg. That's why when I returned it to 
retrieve my 77 Olds Omega, I offered them a lot of "boot" to swap me, but they 
would not. My 77 Omega was lucky to get 18-20 mpg with a V6. Of course, now 
that engine is used in the Buick Lesabre as the 3800 which lasts forever and 
gets 26 mpg (of course it's now FI where mine still had a carb). I'm not trying 
to spin a yarn for you guys as I was actually there, driving the car, and 
experienced the results. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
One of them was an asshole, not sure which but it doesn't matter, though 
it means they probably both were.  I went to their garage in about 1978 
as someone had recommended it, don't even remember what for now, and 
walked in and hung around for a few minutes until someone paid attention 
to me though I was very clearly intruding on whatever they had going on 
(damn customers!), I stated my need and asked if they could take care of 
it, guy gave me some smart-ass answer and basically treated me like he 
had no time for me, so I left wondering how they could stay in business 
acting like that. Kinda shocking actually and as you notice it is still 
a botheration.  The garage was a mess too, in some old warehouse 
building in Cambridge right behind campus, which I think must be gone or 
repurposed now, not that the venue matters much on how well one takes 
care of their business.  I don't think they would have room for Mercedes 
Martha.


Of course I was walking in still having my Indiana view of the world and 
had not yet acclimated to the Cambridge/Boston way of doing things.  I 
never did acclimate and looking back not sure how I managed to live 
there for 22 years.  Do not miss it at all.  On another aspect keeping 
with the tone of the subj line, living here in the center of the 
Confederacy and slavery, I find people around me to be much less racist 
and much more tolerant and accepting than most people in the liberal 
Boston area.  Very odd.  I had a brief conversation about that recently 
with one of our County Council members, a black guy very active in the 
black community, and he could not believe it.


--R

On 10/21/15 3:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I could see myself fitting in really well around their place.  Not to mention 
the pasta would be good, too.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

Maybe one of the mods involved changes that affected the accuracy of the
odometer / trip-meter, so it wasn't really getting such terrific mileage?

Anyone else remember the Car Talk story about the mechanics messing with
their boss's car, secretly adding fuel to his tank so he thought he was
getting unbelievable mileage?  After a while of adding fuel, so he thought
he was getting REALLY good mileage, they started decreasing the amount they
were adding and then started draining fuel from his tank, and he became
convinced his car was a real turd.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:59 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I personally drove a 77 full size Olds Cutlass with a 350 V8 on loan from
the dealership which got 35 mpg on the highway doing 70-75 with the AC on
in July. I wanted the car, but the dealership said they couldn't sell it
because as their loaner they'd made mods which didn't meet EPA
rules/regulations.


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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
No idea I don't drive it much.  It is a lot of fun though, mash the 
throttle at 60 and it rockets to 90 in a flash and minimal awareness of 
speed.  It also rockets to 60 very quickly, tremendous torque.


--R

On 10/20/15 8:02 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

How does the M-ship mileage compare to EPA window sticker ratin


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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes 
Maybe there is some issue and I can get my compensation for the ML, 
or make them give us a new one!  I was frauded!  I'm a victim!  I 
was violated!  Reparations!  Somebody Do Something!


--R



I am still waiting for stacks of jacksons, franklins and/or grants to 
be sent by people who claim to their ancestors were brought to this 
country against their will, because this state sent way more folks, 
including some of my ancestors/relatives, per capita (and beating 
many states by number also) to free their ancestors sorry a $$ es.


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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Actually my '05 isn't really a bottom feeder, once I replace the driver's 
fender and give it a polish it'll be a pretty nice car.
That said I was considering a Craigslist ad, Boston is a pretty liberal place, 
theres lots of TDIs running around here, no doubt owned by idiot tree huggers.
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, 
and Existential Crises
   
Curt should be all over this whole thing, get a newer TDI and stop 
fooling with the bottom feeder level dizzels.  He could be a bottom 
feeder but get an upper level dizzel while helping alleviate green white 
guilt.

--R

On 10/20/15 1:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> Simple... almost all RV's have provision for a receiver hitch to tow a
> trailer or a car behind.. so... make the "green swap" for the "illegal
> diesel" .. get two of them.. tow one with one to the RV... Rent a flat bed
> trailer to haul the "offensive illegal diesel" with the RV.. and convoy the
> whole lot to where ever you can flip them.. Live in the RV while you are
> doing it..
>
> Better yet.. pick up one of the flatbed oilfield semi trailers and trucks,
> and haul a whole bunch of "offensive illegal diesels" ...
>
> How about a Craigslist add for the area first to "Buy your offensive legal
> diesel" ... for scrap of course..
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I like the Prii-swap idea, I wonder if you could drive one and tow
>> another, do the same back to Chuck town.
>>
>> Need to figure out how to work in the abandoned RVs in North Dakota, left
>> behind now that the oil boom has gone bust.
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
There are only two teams, Predator and Prey ... pick which side you want to
play on .. hahaha..

Seems some of those who invested in the TDI for only the uber green theme
may be playing for the Prey team... Go get'tum tiger ..

Nothing satisfies the palate of the "green white guilt predator" like a
tasty meal of veggie fed tree hugger. ;))

[snark off]

Grant...

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually my '05 isn't really a bottom feeder, once I replace the driver's
> fender and give it a polish it'll be a pretty nice car.
> That said I was considering a Craigslist ad, Boston is a pretty liberal
> place, theres lots of TDIs running around here, no doubt owned by idiot
> tree huggers.
> -Curt
>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:49 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful
> Introspection, and Existential Crises
>
> Curt should be all over this whole thing, get a newer TDI and stop
> fooling with the bottom feeder level dizzels.  He could be a bottom
> feeder but get an upper level dizzel while helping alleviate green white
> guilt.
>
> --R
>
> On 10/20/15 1:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Simple... almost all RV's have provision for a receiver hitch to tow a
> > trailer or a car behind.. so... make the "green swap" for the "illegal
> > diesel" .. get two of them.. tow one with one to the RV... Rent a flat
> bed
> > trailer to haul the "offensive illegal diesel" with the RV.. and convoy
> the
> > whole lot to where ever you can flip them.. Live in the RV while you are
> > doing it..
> >
> > Better yet.. pick up one of the flatbed oilfield semi trailers and
> trucks,
> > and haul a whole bunch of "offensive illegal diesels" ...
> >
> > How about a Craigslist add for the area first to "Buy your offensive
> legal
> > diesel" ... for scrap of course..
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I like the Prii-swap idea, I wonder if you could drive one and tow
> >> another, do the same back to Chuck town.
> >>
> >> Need to figure out how to work in the abandoned RVs in North Dakota,
> left
> >> behind now that the oil boom has gone bust.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
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> >> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread clay via Mercedes 
PNW has a great over population of VW veggie burners.  The greenie weenies 
liked getting farther per gallon, and being able to toss in veggie oils or BioD 
for that extra sunshine blessing.  I am not so sure the nasty smoke was such a 
guilt issue for them, as it was sticking it to the petro people.



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On Oct 20, 2015, at 9:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> There are only two teams, Predator and Prey ... pick which side you want to
> play on .. hahaha..
> 
> Seems some of those who invested in the TDI for only the uber green theme
> may be playing for the Prey team... Go get'tum tiger ..
> 
> Nothing satisfies the palate of the "green white guilt predator" like a
> tasty meal of veggie fed tree hugger. ;))
> 
> [snark off]
> 
> Grant...
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Actually my '05 isn't really a bottom feeder, once I replace the driver's
>> fender and give it a polish it'll be a pretty nice car.
>> That said I was considering a Craigslist ad, Boston is a pretty liberal
>> place, theres lots of TDIs running around here, no doubt owned by idiot
>> tree huggers.
>> -Curt
>>  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful
>> Introspection, and Existential Crises
>> 
>> Curt should be all over this whole thing, get a newer TDI and stop
>> fooling with the bottom feeder level dizzels.  He could be a bottom
>> feeder but get an upper level dizzel while helping alleviate green white
>> guilt.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 10/20/15 1:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Simple... almost all RV's have provision for a receiver hitch to tow a
>>> trailer or a car behind.. so... make the "green swap" for the "illegal
>>> diesel" .. get two of them.. tow one with one to the RV... Rent a flat
>> bed
>>> trailer to haul the "offensive illegal diesel" with the RV.. and convoy
>> the
>>> whole lot to where ever you can flip them.. Live in the RV while you are
>>> doing it..
>>> 
>>> Better yet.. pick up one of the flatbed oilfield semi trailers and
>> trucks,
>>> and haul a whole bunch of "offensive illegal diesels" ...
>>> 
>>> How about a Craigslist add for the area first to "Buy your offensive
>> legal
>>> diesel" ... for scrap of course..
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I like the Prii-swap idea, I wonder if you could drive one and tow
>>>> another, do the same back to Chuck town.
>>>> 
>>>> Need to figure out how to work in the abandoned RVs in North Dakota,
>> left
>>>> behind now that the oil boom has gone bust.
>>>> --
>>>> Max Dillon
>>>> Charleston SC
>>>> '87 300TD
>>>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
I was reading an article in the paper about this while eating lunch, it 
looks like the lawyers are lining up to "help" the owners of these 
things, with various remedies being considered, including compensation, 
buyback, replacement, etc. depending on what they can sort out in the 
different states/fed level.  Of course the lawyers would get 30% on the 
deal, owners would probably get a coupon to buy another VW, and all this 
would take about 8 years to wind its way along.


I wonder if there might be a market in going to the greenies and 
offering them cash right now for the car to be done with it, they could 
then go buy a Pious and feel better.  If you could get them 
cheap enough you could probably ride out the process and make some money 
off the deal, or just sell them "as is" to others who would be willing 
to ride out the process with some potential of getting something out of 
it.  You'd have to calculate values and such but I bet some $$ could be 
made off it if you wanted to fool with the whole deal.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
How does the M-ship mileage compare to EPA window sticker rating?
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On October 20, 2015 7:35:33 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Maybe there is some issue and I can get my compensation for the ML, or 
>make them give us a new one!  I was frauded!  I'm a victim!  I was 
>violated!  Reparations!  Somebody Do Something!
>
>--R
>
>
>
>On 10/20/15 6:16 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> I'm still waiting for the Mercedes shoe to drop. I'm suspicious of
>the discrepancy between the EPA MPG numbers (low) and actual observed
>numbers (high). Might MB have also planted EPA pollution test defeat
>code, which decreased mileage during the test while decreasing
>pollution?
>>
>> My understanding is that a contributing factor in the case of VW is
>the relatively loose European model for vehicle pollution standards
>testing, which invites some serious "gaming" of the testing to improve
>performance.  If VW decided to play fast and loose "over there" and
>then fell down that slippery slope for the U.S.A. EPA testing, could
>the same have happened to Mercedes?  BMW?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes 

(Reuters) - The U.S. regulator that exposed Volkswagen's rigging of emissions 
tests is investigating more than two dozen diesel car models made by BMW , 
Chrysler, General Motors , Land Rover and Mercedes-Benz to find out whether 
they engaged in similar cheating, the Financial Times reported...snip

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-regulator-extends-diesel-emissions-probe-to-other-car-models-ft-2015-10

...
> I'm still waiting for the Mercedes shoe to drop. I'm suspicious of the 
> discrepancy between the EPA MPG numbers (low) and actual observed numbers 
> (high). Might MB have also planted EPA pollution test defeat code, which 
> decreased mileage during the test while decreasing pollution?
> 
> My understanding is that a contributing factor in the case of VW is the 
> relatively loose European model for vehicle pollution standards testing, 
> which invites some serious "gaming" of the testing to improve performance.  
> If VW decided to play fast and loose "over there" and then fell down that 
> slippery slope for the U.S.A. EPA testing, could the same have happened to 
> Mercedes?  BMW?
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
I'm still waiting for the Mercedes shoe to drop. I'm suspicious of the 
discrepancy between the EPA MPG numbers (low) and actual observed numbers 
(high). Might MB have also planted EPA pollution test defeat code, which 
decreased mileage during the test while decreasing pollution?

My understanding is that a contributing factor in the case of VW is the 
relatively loose European model for vehicle pollution standards testing, which 
invites some serious "gaming" of the testing to improve performance.  If VW 
decided to play fast and loose "over there" and then fell down that slippery 
slope for the U.S.A. EPA testing, could the same have happened to Mercedes?  
BMW?
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
Maybe there is some issue and I can get my compensation for the ML, or 
make them give us a new one!  I was frauded!  I'm a victim!  I was 
violated!  Reparations!  Somebody Do Something!


--R



On 10/20/15 6:16 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm still waiting for the Mercedes shoe to drop. I'm suspicious of the 
discrepancy between the EPA MPG numbers (low) and actual observed numbers 
(high). Might MB have also planted EPA pollution test defeat code, which 
decreased mileage during the test while decreasing pollution?

My understanding is that a contributing factor in the case of VW is the relatively loose European 
model for vehicle pollution standards testing, which invites some serious "gaming" of the 
testing to improve performance.  If VW decided to play fast and loose "over there" and 
then fell down that slippery slope for the U.S.A. EPA testing, could the same have happened to 
Mercedes?  BMW?



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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
Guys, 
I'm not sure what the fuss is here. I've never purchased a new car including 
back into the 70s which ever met the mileage listed on the sticker. I think VW 
should sue the EPA for restriction of trade or some such nonsense. Either way, 
I agree, the lawyers will end up richer, the government gets more money in 
fines, and the buyer gets hosed. I personally drove a 77 full size Olds Cutlass 
with a 350 V8 on loan from the dealership which got 35 mpg on the highway doing 
70-75 with the AC on in July. I wanted the car, but the dealership said they 
couldn't sell it because as their loaner they'd made mods which didn't meet EPA 
rules/regulations. So, does the EPA / government care about mileage or control? 
Anyway, it's all BS to me and just my .02. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
Curt should be all over this whole thing, get a newer TDI and stop 
fooling with the bottom feeder level dizzels.  He could be a bottom 
feeder but get an upper level dizzel while helping alleviate green white 
guilt.


--R

On 10/20/15 1:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Simple... almost all RV's have provision for a receiver hitch to tow a
trailer or a car behind.. so... make the "green swap" for the "illegal
diesel" .. get two of them.. tow one with one to the RV... Rent a flat bed
trailer to haul the "offensive illegal diesel" with the RV.. and convoy the
whole lot to where ever you can flip them.. Live in the RV while you are
doing it..

Better yet.. pick up one of the flatbed oilfield semi trailers and trucks,
and haul a whole bunch of "offensive illegal diesels" ...

How about a Craigslist add for the area first to "Buy your offensive legal
diesel" ... for scrap of course..

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I like the Prii-swap idea, I wonder if you could drive one and tow
another, do the same back to Chuck town.

Need to figure out how to work in the abandoned RVs in North Dakota, left
behind now that the oil boom has gone bust.
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
Simple... almost all RV's have provision for a receiver hitch to tow a
trailer or a car behind.. so... make the "green swap" for the "illegal
diesel" .. get two of them.. tow one with one to the RV... Rent a flat bed
trailer to haul the "offensive illegal diesel" with the RV.. and convoy the
whole lot to where ever you can flip them.. Live in the RV while you are
doing it..

Better yet.. pick up one of the flatbed oilfield semi trailers and trucks,
and haul a whole bunch of "offensive illegal diesels" ...

How about a Craigslist add for the area first to "Buy your offensive legal
diesel" ... for scrap of course..

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like the Prii-swap idea, I wonder if you could drive one and tow
> another, do the same back to Chuck town.
>
> Need to figure out how to work in the abandoned RVs in North Dakota, left
> behind now that the oil boom has gone bust.
> --
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> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
This American Life had a good segment on October 11th where they contacted ad 
agencies and asked for possible ad campaigns that Volkswagen could use to 
regain public trust.  The title of the show was “Put a Bow On It”.  That wasn’t 
the main subject, it was how Jack in the Box recovered from the food poisoning 
debacle that happened some years back when a number of people died form eating 
there...

It was pretty funny.  Really.

Dan

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> PBS news tonight had a segment on greenieweenies in Portland who are shocked! 
> (SHOCKED!) and horribly dismayed about their VW TDIs not being as 
> green as they were told and are now suing VeeDub over it.  Many 
> owners appear to be having existential crises over it too, and are feeling 
> remorseful guilt about promoting the VW dizzel to their family, friends, and 
> neighbors.  Some are feeling ill over the whole thing and facing an Agonizing 
> Reappraisal over their vehicular choices.  There is also the element that VW 
> was started by Nazis that plays into the agony, though this element was 
> generally suppressed in their calculations because it was fairly remote, but 
> now it is becoming an ascendant aspect of their dismay.
> 
> Story also mentioned that resale value on the things was tanking. Sounds like 
> an excellent time to go to Portland and start buying nice examples, maybe 
> find some old Piouses to take out for trades to help the 
> global-warming-climate-change-disruption-greenhouse-gas-spewing dizzel owners 
> assuage their first-world green white guilt.  Buyer's market!
> 
> It would be a mitzvah.  They need our help!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
We saw Ira Glass in concert a couple years ago, he puts on a pretty good show.
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Okie Benz <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> 
 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, 
and Existential Crises
   
This American Life had a good segment on October 11th where they contacted ad 
agencies and asked for possible ad campaigns that Volkswagen could use to 
regain public trust.  The title of the show was “Put a Bow On It”.  That wasn’t 
the main subject, it was how Jack in the Box recovered from the food poisoning 
debacle that happened some years back when a number of people died form eating 
there...

It was pretty funny.  Really.

Dan

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> PBS news tonight had a segment on greenieweenies in Portland who are shocked! 
> (SHOCKED!) and horribly dismayed about their VW TDIs not being as 
> green as they were told and are now suing VeeDub over it.  Many 
> owners appear to be having existential crises over it too, and are feeling 
> remorseful guilt about promoting the VW dizzel to their family, friends, and 
> neighbors.  Some are feeling ill over the whole thing and facing an Agonizing 
> Reappraisal over their vehicular choices.  There is also the element that VW 
> was started by Nazis that plays into the agony, though this element was 
> generally suppressed in their calculations because it was fairly remote, but 
> now it is becoming an ascendant aspect of their dismay.
> 
> Story also mentioned that resale value on the things was tanking. Sounds like 
> an excellent time to go to Portland and start buying nice examples, maybe 
> find some old Piouses to take out for trades to help the 
> global-warming-climate-change-disruption-greenhouse-gas-spewing dizzel owners 
> assuage their first-world green white guilt.  Buyer's market!
> 
> It would be a mitzvah.  They need our help!
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-19 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
I like the Prii-swap idea, I wonder if you could drive one and tow another, do 
the same back to Chuck town.

Need to figure out how to work in the abandoned RVs in North Dakota, left 
behind now that the oil boom has gone bust.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat OT: Liberal Hand-wringing, Painful Introspection, and Existential Crises

2015-10-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
My personal view on the whole global warming/man kind is bad/ go green as
long as it can't be seen/ mentality is that to buy into it, you must accept
false science which is sold as gospel truth [never figured how atheist tree
hugger could have "gospel anything", but that is yet another quandary].

Since there is a demonstrated predilection for self denial and acceptance
of misrepresentation of facts, it seems to me successful advertising should
be based on yet another blitz of half truths and outright lies. The "new
green" invention that "heals all mistakes in software and judgement".

Slap a little organic peanut butter on that and sell it..

Or, organize a "citizens buyback program" based on the "cash for clunkers"
and crush a token few on camera with a big media splash to as-wage the
injured egos, while shipping the rest to a sales lot in an area where
people don't really believe the EPA dogma, own guns, and vote red state.
Take a tidy profit in the middle..

Hey... I'm a Capitalist.. I see profit potential..

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This American Life had a good segment on October 11th where they contacted
> ad agencies and asked for possible ad campaigns that Volkswagen could use
> to regain public trust.  The title of the show was “Put a Bow On It”.  That
> wasn’t the main subject, it was how Jack in the Box recovered from the food
> poisoning debacle that happened some years back when a number of people
> died form eating there...
>
> It was pretty funny.  Really.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Oct 19, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > PBS news tonight had a segment on greenieweenies in Portland who are
> shocked! (SHOCKED!) and horribly dismayed about their VW TDIs not being as
> green as they were told and are now suing VeeDub over it.  Many
> owners appear to be having existential crises over it too, and are feeling
> remorseful guilt about promoting the VW dizzel to their family, friends,
> and neighbors.  Some are feeling ill over the whole thing and facing an
> Agonizing Reappraisal over their vehicular choices.  There is also the
> element that VW was started by Nazis that plays into the agony, though this
> element was generally suppressed in their calculations because it was
> fairly remote, but now it is becoming an ascendant aspect of their dismay.
> >
> > Story also mentioned that resale value on the things was tanking. Sounds
> like an excellent time to go to Portland and start buying nice examples,
> maybe find some old Piouses to take out for trades to help the
> global-warming-climate-change-disruption-greenhouse-gas-spewing dizzel
> owners assuage their first-world green white guilt.  Buyer's market!
> >
> > It would be a mitzvah.  They need our help!
> >
> > --R
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