Re: [MBZ] Starting in second - sigh
HA...here we go again. Mine starts out in second gear, I back into my garage. On 1/25/06, Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend ATE Super Amber. I'm not sure what's optimum for the in-dash indicators though. T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:56:45 -0500, you wrote: you wrote:US model diesels start in first Now after all the bandwidth that has been spent on this issue the last few days, I've started to get confused as to how my car was starting. So, this morning I paid particular attention. I started the engine. Backed out of the driveway. Egad! My car starts in reverse! I'm thinking its been doing this for a long time. Should I change to M1 blinker fluid or is it too late. Pete Arnold ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Woodlandtaylors wrote: Yes, All the non-turbo's I have start in second, as does my 1989 300CE as does my 1987 420SEL. The turbo's 300 CD, D SD I have all start in first gear and they have to climb out of the driveway when cold, when hot (normal operating temperature) climbing the drive in second is no problem. I did read in my operator's manual for the 300CE second gear starts were due to emissions. Dennis T My early '84 190D 2.2 starts in 1st! Later normally aspirated 190Ds started in 2nd unless the accelerator is pressed more than 40% down - then they shift to 1st. I believed that my 190D 2.5 started in 1st, but the documents say the pedal must be depressed more than 40% for that to happen. Maybe that's how I always drove it! I can't check it now as I converted it to a 5 spd about 5 years ago (and I did drive IT aggressively with the 5 spd in it) after my daughter demolished my 190D 2.2 5 spd. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Dave M. wrote: Different years models have the 2nd gear start. My 1986 and 1990 300E's both started in second gear, and I believe all years did. My 1987 300D starts in first gear, and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The E420 and E500 both start in second, although this can be rectified with electronic wizardry (I have the BergWerks 1st gear start kit in my car), or with a RENNtech valve body (at over 4x the cost). Not many gas 124's started in first, if any... I forget if/when MB finally got away from this annoying practice. -dm -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Do you always floor them on take-off? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
no John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Do you always floor them on take-off? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Well, Marshall, I think my '90 Diesel W124 is working correctly. It was a zone car and completely checked out before being titled as new when we bought it at HBL. Norbert was one of the checkers. Since HBL changed hands, the folks at ASC have treated us better, and their best people have worked on this car, too. So I'll enjoy the easy starts, better economy, very little creep while stopped, and the really great kick when I push the pedal down about 3/4 on a start! I will keep checking on this, however - and if it turns out the car is not working correctly, I'll post an apology. Werner - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second Werner Fehlauer wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner When properly adjusted, most turbo diesels SHOULD sit in second and drop into 1st as soon as you push on the accelerator (unless you are pointed down hill and BARELY touch the pedal). A few sit in first AND start in first. If your's doesn't then it need adjustment. The attachment outlines the idle and starting gear for most Mercedes transmissions from Automatic Transmission Maintenance Diagnosis (thru 1989) published by Mercedes 1989. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
I just read my owners manual for the '90 300D 2.5, US. There is no mention of starting in second. It does have a bold warning that states: It is dangerous to shift the selector lever out of P od N is the engine speed is higher than idle speed. If your foot is not on the brake pedal, the car could accelerate quickly forward or in reverse. You could lose control of the car and hit something. Only shift into gear when the engine is idling normally. That seems to me to validate Marshall's statement that the second gear start of the ealier models was to prevent creeping. I know that this car starts in first every time, whether I'm flooring it or not. So does the '87 300SDL. My 115 300D's all started in second unless I floored them, or shifted into and back out of L first. The 450SLC starts in first, but it only has three gears, and first goes all the way to 57 MPH or so - I think they just eliminated first gear from the tranny --- On 1/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 02:18 PM, Dave M. wrote: and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The Euro 124 w/2.5 diesel, owner's manual that I have mentions the 2nd gear start and I have driven US versions, they all started in 2nd. I have not driven a gas 124. I have only driven two or 3 '90s 124 diesels and I REALLY didn't notice. All of the pre 90s 124 diesels I've driven started in first (just like the Mercedes document shows http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060124/417df177/Trans_Start.pdf All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall My new 86 190D 2.5 Euro definitely starts in 2nd unless I put my foot into it a little further. I'll give it to you verbatim from the 124 Euro manual #124 584 14 96 order # 6550 5614 02 page 56: Note: In selector lever posititon D and 3 the vehicle will start off in 2nd gear when accelerating gently. The vehicle will start off in 1st gear when accelerating briskly. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
So the breaking point is either pre/post '90, euro/US, or both. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall My new 86 190D 2.5 Euro definitely starts in 2nd unless I put my foot into it a little further. I'll give it to you verbatim from the 124 Euro manual #124 584 14 96 order # 6550 5614 02 page 56: Note: In selector lever posititon D and 3 the vehicle will start off in 2nd gear when accelerating gently. The vehicle will start off in 1st gear when accelerating briskly. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Marshall Booth wrote: John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 02:18 PM, Dave M. wrote: and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The Euro 124 w/2.5 diesel, owner's manual that I have mentions the 2nd gear start and I have driven US versions, they all started in 2nd. I have not driven a gas 124. I have only driven two or 3 '90s 124 diesels and I REALLY didn't notice. All of the pre 90s 124 diesels I've driven started in first (just like the Mercedes document shows http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060124/417df177/Trans_Start.pdf All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall You are correct Johnny B. The 602 non-turbo (and 601s made AFTER 3/84 - my 190D 2.2 was an early '84) starts in 2nd unless the accelerator is pressed down 40% or more. Three of my 201 have had manual transmissions so they don't count. See the chart referred to above. Only place I know that covers a LOT of transmissions in one place. The chart seems to cover everything thru '89, but I really don't have an authoritative source for information on '90 and later cars. ALL turbodiesel engines start in 1st thru '89. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:38 PM, OK Don wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall Come to think of it my 84 2.2 started in 1st every time. The PO had the trans rebuilt and it worked great. People could be installing shift kits that force a 1st gear start. Lots of variables. I'll sum up my feelings on the issue; I don't mind them starting in 2nd as long as I have the option to get it into 1st. If you drive gently and rarely force the trans back into 1st gear= less shifting=less slipping=less heat = longer life. If you drop the hammer or drive briskly at every start a tranny that always starts in first is best for you. I adapt very easily to whatever I drive. Having been a mechanic for so long, I get a mental picture of what's going on as I drive. Then I get to do the balancing act between having fun at the wheel and trying to make the long haul unscathed. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Starting in Second
Marshall wrote: In the early '90s Mercedes saw the error of their ways and allowed the gas transmissions to start in 1st. Cars built a year or two before 1st gear starts became standard COULD be converted (it was NOT a cheap conversion - required that the valve body be removed and some pieces replaced) but cars with transmissions build before that (about '89 and earlier I think) can't be converted (you'd need a completely replace the valve body). When I said my car started in second, I said that because I thought that was the case with all these cars. I don't know that mine starts in second, I only know that it is pretty slow from a standstill. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 123K
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
you wrote:US model diesels start in first
My 78 240D US diesel always starts in 2nd unless I floor it to engage the
passing gear button. Or manually pull it into 1st with the gearshift lever.
The owners manuals states this is the case - so it;s not a malfunction -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only
exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned
start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st.
For further clarification, check your specific owners manual.
On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is
why they are little slow off the line.
I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model.
A few questions? Why did
Mercedes do this?
To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel
economy.
If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st?
Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down.
Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too?
Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and
some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware
of.
I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Yes,
All the non-turbo's I have start in second, as does my 1989 300CE as does my
1987 420SEL. The turbo's 300 CD, D SD I have all start in first gear and
they have to climb out of the driveway when cold, when hot (normal operating
temperature) climbing the drive in second is no problem. I did read in my
operator's manual for the 300CE second gear starts were due to emissions.
Dennis T
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you wrote:US model diesels start in first
My 78 240D US diesel always starts in 2nd unless I floor it to engage the
passing gear button. Or manually pull it into 1st with the gearshift lever.
The owners manuals states this is the case - so it;s not a malfunction -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only
exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned
start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st.
For further clarification, check your specific owners manual.
On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is
why they are little slow off the line.
I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model.
A few questions? Why did
Mercedes do this?
To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel
economy.
If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st?
Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down.
Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too?
Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and
some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware
of.
I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:56:45 -0500, you wrote: you wrote:US model diesels start in first Now after all the bandwidth that has been spent on this issue the last few days, I've started to get confused as to how my car was starting. So, this morning I paid particular attention. I started the engine. Backed out of the driveway. Egad! My car starts in reverse! I'm thinking its been doing this for a long time. Should I change to M1 blinker fluid or is it too late. Pete Arnold
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second - sigh
I recommend ATE Super Amber. I'm not sure what's optimum for the in-dash indicators though. T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:56:45 -0500, you wrote: you wrote:US model diesels start in first Now after all the bandwidth that has been spent on this issue the last few days, I've started to get confused as to how my car was starting. So, this morning I paid particular attention. I started the engine. Backed out of the driveway. Egad! My car starts in reverse! I'm thinking its been doing this for a long time. Should I change to M1 blinker fluid or is it too late. Pete Arnold
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? It may have been emissions related (similar to why the Corvette skips 2 3, or used to), or it may have been difficult to get smooth-enough shifting for easy boulevard cruising. Anyway, it should start in 1 if you really mash it, or put it in L first. Our 560 SL's do. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel economy. If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down. Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware of. I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st. For further clarification, check your specific owners manual. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel economy. If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down. Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware of. I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner - Original Message - From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st. For further clarification, check your specific owners manual. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel economy. If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down. Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware of. I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
OK, but the question specific was to a US model W126 gas model. I know nuttin' about W124's or Euro anything! On 1/24/06, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner - Original Message - From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st. For further clarification, check your specific owners manual. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel economy. If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down. Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware of. I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. I didn't think it was supposed to. Granted, that is a 722.4 and not a 722.3, but the 87 300D and TD I have both start from first. K
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Different years models have the 2nd gear start. My 1986 and 1990 300E's both started in second gear, and I believe all years did. My 1987 300D starts in first gear, and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The E420 and E500 both start in second, although this can be rectified with electronic wizardry (I have the BergWerks 1st gear start kit in my car), or with a RENNtech valve body (at over 4x the cost). Not many gas 124's started in first, if any... I forget if/when MB finally got away from this annoying practice. -dm -- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:40:34 -0800 From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second OK, but the question specific was to a US model W126 gas model. I know nuttin' about W124's or Euro anything! On 1/24/06, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
We've had this 1990 W124 2.5 Diesel since new, and it has always started in 2nd when not running red light drags. And the literature we got with the car said that is the way it was supposed to operate - and 220k miles later, it still runs the same! Werner - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second Different years models have the 2nd gear start. My 1986 and 1990 300E's both started in second gear, and I believe all years did. My 1987 300D starts in first gear, and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The E420 and E500 both start in second, although this can be rectified with electronic wizardry (I have the BergWerks 1st gear start kit in my car), or with a RENNtech valve body (at over 4x the cost). Not many gas 124's started in first, if any... I forget if/when MB finally got away from this annoying practice. -dm -- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:40:34 -0800 From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second OK, but the question specific was to a US model W126 gas model. I know nuttin' about W124's or Euro anything! On 1/24/06, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? It was NOT emissions related, but related to creep when stopped when you took your foot off the brake. In the early '90s Mercedes saw the error of their ways and allowed the gas transmissions to start in 1st. Cars built a year or two before 1st gear starts became standard COULD be converted (it was NOT a cheap conversion - required that the valve body be removed and some pieces replaced) but cars with transmissions build before that (about '89 and earlier I think) can't be converted (you'd need a completely replace the valve body). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
