Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yup   We are living 1984 and animal house mashed together.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 8, 2017 at 10:35 AM

Totalitarian dictatorship needs at least one enemy strong enough to 
force the country to band together. Orwell got that right in '1984', 
with a perpetual state of warfare. If the war ended, you just started 
another war, and changed the history books to reflect the fact that 
your new enemy was always the enemy.


Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 8, 2017 at 9:51 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Not just 'Dolfie, but lotsa "leaders have done this.  The kim clan Norks 
> have been using the USA as a strawman to generate hatred so that the 
> populace does not overthrow them for decades.

Totalitarian dictatorship needs at least one enemy strong enough to force the 
country to band together. Orwell got that right in '1984', with a perpetual 
state of warfare. If the war ended, you just started another war, and changed 
the history books to reflect the fact that your new enemy was always the enemy. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not just 'Dolfie, but lotsa "leaders have done this.  The kim clan Norks 
have been using the USA as a strawman to generate hatred so that the 
populace does not overthrow them for decades.


I still contend that some dark operative from somewhere should have 
turned kim jong ill  into kim jong dead.  That and if someone had 
neutered billy bob 50 years ago would have eliminated the Nork problem 
the current Prez has to deal with.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 8, 2017 at 6:51 AM

When your candidate for President openly insults and denigrates half 
the voting age population, your party has, as they say, "jumped the 
shark". Scapegoating can work, it did for Hitler, but only if the 
people you're attacking are a tiny minority and a majority of the 
voting public supports your attacks. You try to make enemies out of 
40-50% of the voters, and you're committing political suicide, even if 
98% of the media elites cheer you on while you're doing it.




Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That’s deplorable 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 7:51 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 7, 2017 at 9:17 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Too right, but I said that about the Republicans 4 years ago. In the last 4 
>> years its not that the Republicans have risen, the Democrats have just sunk 
>> down into the gutter with them.
> 
> When your candidate for President openly insults and denigrates half the 
> voting age population, your party has, as they say, "jumped the shark". 
> Scapegoating can work, it did for Hitler, but only if the people you're 
> attacking are a tiny minority and a majority of the voting public supports 
> your attacks. You try to make enemies out of 40-50% of the voters, and you're 
> committing political suicide, even if 98% of the media elites cheer you on 
> while you're doing it.
> 
> I've got to thank the Dem leadership for rigging the election and trying to 
> stuff HRC down our throats, otherwise I believe we'd now have our first 
> openly Socialist President since I've been eligible to vote.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 7, 2017 at 9:17 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Too right, but I said that about the Republicans 4 years ago. In the last 4 
> years its not that the Republicans have risen, the Democrats have just sunk 
> down into the gutter with them.

When your candidate for President openly insults and denigrates half the voting 
age population, your party has, as they say, "jumped the shark". Scapegoating 
can work, it did for Hitler, but only if the people you're attacking are a tiny 
minority and a majority of the voting public supports your attacks. You try to 
make enemies out of 40-50% of the voters, and you're committing political 
suicide, even if 98% of the media elites cheer you on while you're doing it.

I've got to thank the Dem leadership for rigging the election and trying to 
stuff HRC down our throats, otherwise I believe we'd now have our first openly 
Socialist President since I've been eligible to vote.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 7, 2017 at 9:15 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> In the last election I'd have voted none of the above.

Last Presidential election was the first since 2000 that I wouldn't have voted 
none of the above if the choices were Republican, Democrat and none of the 
above. Mainly because I was tired of politicians and all the establishment 
politicians of both sides were united in opposition to one of the 2016 
candidates, partly because that candidate was saying a lot of the right things, 
even if he didn't really mean them. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Too right, but I said that about the Republicans 4 years ago. In the last 4 
years its not that the Republicans have risen, the Democrats have just sunk 
down into the gutter with them.
-Curt
 

On Monday, November 6, 2017, 11:51:44 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Both parties are doing a pretty good job of suicide right now.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> November 6, 2017 at 2:43 PM
> I'd like to dope slap Rand Paul for saying the party was the most 
> important thing...
> The country is the most important thing, I wouldn't mind if both 
> parties died tomorrow.
>
> -Curt
>

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Not harsh enough.
We need an entry on our ballot for "None of the above". If a plurality of votes 
are for none of the above we run the election again but those two idiots can't 
run. If a majority of voters choose none of the above we run the election again 
and those two absolute mouth breathing turdburgers can't ever run for anything 
again, not even dog catcher...
In the last election I'd have voted none of the above.

-Curt
 

On Monday, November 6, 2017, 8:22:01 PM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 How about we fire the whole bunch, make it so none of them can hold office
or be elected again, and start with a whole new bunch of citizens. Give
them each a copy of the state or federal constitution and the order they
had to stay within it's limits or be fired on the spot?

Just as a starting point... absolute term limits of two terms, for a life
limit. ie, serve, go back to work. Voters retain the absolute right to
terminate any elected official.

To harsh?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hear hear!
> I always vote the person although sadly my choices have been lacking. Very
> occasionally do I get to vote for somebody I think is worth it. Angus King
> when he was governor of Maine comes to mind. I'm not super excited about
> his time in the Senate but he's not my senator...
> I'm kind of liking Susan Collins at the moment too. She went to high
> school with my aunt.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>    On Monday, November 6, 2017, 5:23:23 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On November 6, 2017 at 3:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That wouldn't be good for the country.  What's your proposed alternative?
>
> I have a dream. That I could live in a country without political parties.
> We could abolish political parties, but it would be like asking
> politicians not to unionize against their employers, the citizens of this
> country.
>
> Instead of the parties telling us which two candidates we get to 'choose'
> from, we could just elect people instead of party affiliates.
> And instead of the politicians' labor unions taking sides on issues, our
> Representatives in DC could consider each bill on its merits and vote it up
> or down, without worrying about whether their particular labor union
> supports it.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While this topic has remained somewhat apolitical, it's gradually creeping into 
forbidden territory.

Let's either be careful to keep it apolitical or drop it, please.

List Mom

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Fred Moir asked:
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Why Trump, of course. (grin)
Gerry
> 
> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of G Mann via 
> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: 06 November 2017 20:21
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> Cc: G Mann
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs
> 
> How about we fire the whole bunch, make it so none of them can hold office
> or be elected again, and start with a whole new bunch of citizens. Give
> them each a copy of the state or federal constitution and the order they
> had to stay within it's limits or be fired on the spot?
> 
> Just as a starting point... absolute term limits of two terms, for a life
> limit. ie, serve, go back to work. Voters retain the absolute right to
> terminate any elected official.
> Too harsh?
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Na,  Custatdemall


Fred Moir via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 10:44 PM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


Fred Moir.


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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wealth is not created by  goobers, or by shysters, or printing fiat 
currency.  (Or by theft by goobers or other thieves)  Wealth is created 
by encouraging enterprise.  Enterprising people create wealth from the 
soil, the forests, the minerals, or the waters.  Some will further 
process the products of those base sources and further process it to add 
value.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 11:01 AM
It comes down to (in part) understanding wealth, and were does it come
from.

Some believe that there is a limited amount of wealth, and so the struggle
becomes "get my fair share".

I believe that wealth is created, and the basic conditions required are
liberty and land.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There is only one party, unless you consider socialists radically 
different from communist/marxist.


The founders warned us to keep political parties from forming.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 2:39 PM

I'd like to see both parties go away.
Too close to Oligarchy now.
The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nope!  A good start.

What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?A GOOD START!


G Mann via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 7:21 PM
How about we fire the whole bunch, make it so none of them can hold office
or be elected again, and start with a whole new bunch of citizens. Give
them each a copy of the state or federal constitution and the order they
had to stay within it's limits or be fired on the spot?

Just as a starting point... absolute term limits of two terms, for a life
limit. ie, serve, go back to work. Voters retain the absolute right to
terminate any elected official.

To harsh?



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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Both parties are doing a pretty good job of suicide right now.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 2:43 PM
I'd like to dope slap Rand Paul for saying the party was the most 
important thing...
The country is the most important thing, I wouldn't mind if both 
parties died tomorrow.


-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

so?

They do now!


OK Don via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 7:18 PM
When the unions are gone, the lobbies will have total control over
congress, just saying . . .

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <



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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 3:40 PM
Anybody willing to run for office is by definition unqualified and 
shouldn't be trusted.
Our system is totally screwed, I'm in favor of changing the 
congressional service cycle to a 6 month period where congress WILL be 
in session, 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, no flying home on the 
weekend. They will eat in mess halls just like the military does, if 
its good enough for our fighting men and women its good enough for 
them. They'll live in military barracks for the same reason. This is 
government service after all and I think we've gotten away from the 
service part.
Not being present for any vote without reason is the same as being 
AWOL and will be judged harshly.All congressional staffs get cut in 
half, no exceptions. Upon leaving the congress they get the same 
retirement a enlisted service member would get based on their years of 
service again if its good enough for the military its good enough for 
everybody...

That'd change the system in a hurry.

-Curt


On Monday, November 6, 2017, 4:00:55 PM EST, Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes  wrote:

You need to run for office.

RB

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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 3:00 PM

You need to run for office.

RB

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 2:48 PM
I'd like a party that didn't suck. They both lie and cheat and are 
pretty much worthless.

-Curt


On Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:43:28 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:


Uh, would you prefer anarchy?  Or a European style of government with many
parties and quasi chaos?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 2:41 PM
Uh, would you prefer anarchy? Or a European style of government with many
parties and quasi chaos?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 6, 2017 at 2:39 PM

I'd like to see both parties go away.
Too close to Oligarchy now.
The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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How about we fire the whole bunch, make it so none of them can hold office
or be elected again, and start with a whole new bunch of citizens. Give
them each a copy of the state or federal constitution and the order they
had to stay within it's limits or be fired on the spot?

Just as a starting point... absolute term limits of two terms, for a life
limit. ie, serve, go back to work. Voters retain the absolute right to
terminate any elected official.
Too harsh?

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

 cause you'd start well before you got to the 10 digit number.  
Bahama tom and billy bob, along with bwawney, chuck u etc will show you 
the way.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
November 5, 2017 at 8:59 PM
I hereby pledge that after earning my first $billion I will NOT use any
offshore tax shelters.


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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bingo.  Lobbyists are here to stay (1st Amendment), they'll have more power 
with truly amateur representatives.


-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 6, 2017 8:18:25 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes  
wrote:
>When the unions are gone, the lobbies will have total control over
>congress, just saying . . .
>

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It should be a capital crime to lobby..  The voters elect a
"representative" whose only job is to "represent" those voters a
lobbyist works full time to usurp those voters vote with his or her own
agenda... which is the very essence of sedition.. IMHO...


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Mitch. wrote:
> > I'd like to see both parties go away.
>
> -Curt wrote:
> > I wouldn't mind if both parties died tomorrow.
>
> Now we're talking.
> DIY happens - OkieBenz is a prime example.
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

How about we fire the whole bunch, make it so none of them can hold office
or be elected again, and start with a whole new bunch of citizens. Give
them each a copy of the state or federal constitution and the order they
had to stay within it's limits or be fired on the spot?

Just as a starting point... absolute term limits of two terms, for a life
limit. ie, serve, go back to work. Voters retain the absolute right to
terminate any elected official.

To harsh?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hear hear!
> I always vote the person although sadly my choices have been lacking. Very
> occasionally do I get to vote for somebody I think is worth it. Angus King
> when he was governor of Maine comes to mind. I'm not super excited about
> his time in the Senate but he's not my senator...
> I'm kind of liking Susan Collins at the moment too. She went to high
> school with my aunt.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Monday, November 6, 2017, 5:23:23 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On November 6, 2017 at 3:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That wouldn't be good for the country.  What's your proposed alternative?
>
> I have a dream. That I could live in a country without political parties.
> We could abolish political parties, but it would be like asking
> politicians not to unionize against their employers, the citizens of this
> country.
>
> Instead of the parties telling us which two candidates we get to 'choose'
> from, we could just elect people instead of party affiliates.
> And instead of the politicians' labor unions taking sides on issues, our
> Representatives in DC could consider each bill on its merits and vote it up
> or down, without worrying about whether their particular labor union
> supports it.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

When the unions are gone, the lobbies will have total control over
congress, just saying . . .

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 6, 2017 at 3:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That wouldn't be good for the country.  What's your proposed alternative?
>
> I have a dream. That I could live in a country without political parties.
> We could abolish political parties, but it would be like asking
> politicians not to unionize against their employers, the citizens of this
> country.
>
> Instead of the parties telling us which two candidates we get to 'choose'
> from, we could just elect people instead of party affiliates.
> And instead of the politicians' labor unions taking sides on issues, our
> Representatives in DC could consider each bill on its merits and vote it up
> or down, without worrying about whether their particular labor union
> supports it.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Mitch. wrote:
> I'd like to see both parties go away.

-Curt wrote:
> I wouldn't mind if both parties died tomorrow.

Now we're talking.
DIY happens - OkieBenz is a prime example.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hear hear!
I always vote the person although sadly my choices have been lacking. Very 
occasionally do I get to vote for somebody I think is worth it. Angus King when 
he was governor of Maine comes to mind. I'm not super excited about his time in 
the Senate but he's not my senator...
I'm kind of liking Susan Collins at the moment too. She went to high school 
with my aunt.

-Curt
 

On Monday, November 6, 2017, 5:23:23 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On November 6, 2017 at 3:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That wouldn't be good for the country.  What's your proposed alternative?

I have a dream. That I could live in a country without political parties. 
We could abolish political parties, but it would be like asking politicians not 
to unionize against their employers, the citizens of this country. 

Instead of the parties telling us which two candidates we get to 'choose' from, 
we could just elect people instead of party affiliates. 
And instead of the politicians' labor unions taking sides on issues, our 
Representatives in DC could consider each bill on its merits and vote it up or 
down, without worrying about whether their particular labor union supports it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 6, 2017 at 3:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That wouldn't be good for the country.  What's your proposed alternative?

I have a dream. That I could live in a country without political parties. 
We could abolish political parties, but it would be like asking politicians not 
to unionize against their employers, the citizens of this country. 

Instead of the parties telling us which two candidates we get to 'choose' from, 
we could just elect people instead of party affiliates. 
And instead of the politicians' labor unions taking sides on issues, our 
Representatives in DC could consider each bill on its merits and vote it up or 
down, without worrying about whether their particular labor union supports it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Anybody willing to run for office is by definition unqualified and shouldn't be 
trusted.
Our system is totally screwed, I'm in favor of changing the congressional 
service cycle to a 6 month period where congress WILL be in session, 10 hours a 
day, 5 days a week, no flying home on the weekend. They will eat in mess halls 
just like the military does, if its good enough for our fighting men and women 
its good enough for them. They'll live in military barracks for the same 
reason. This is government service after all and I think we've gotten away from 
the service part.
 Not being present for any vote without reason is the same as being AWOL and 
will be judged harshly.All congressional staffs get cut in half, no exceptions. 
Upon leaving the congress they get the same retirement a enlisted service 
member would get based on their years of service again if its good enough for 
the military its good enough for everybody...
That'd change the system in a hurry.

-Curt


On Monday, November 6, 2017, 4:00:55 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 06/11/2017 2:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I'd like a party that didn't suck. They both lie and cheat and are pretty 
> much worthless.
> -Curt
>
>
You need to run for office.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 20:48:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'd like a party that didn't suck. They both lie and cheat and are
> pretty much worthless. -Curt

George Washington warned against parties.


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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 06/11/2017 2:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'd like a party that didn't suck. They both lie and cheat and are pretty much 
worthless.
-Curt



You need to run for office.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

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That wouldn't be good for the country.  What's your proposed alternative?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'd like to dope slap Rand Paul for saying the party was the most
> important thing...
> The country is the most important thing, I wouldn't mind if both parties
> died tomorrow.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:40:04 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On November 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And a 2 party system, interstate highways system, and rich farmland.
>
> I'd like to see both parties go away.
> Too close to Oligarchy now.
> The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'd like a party that didn't suck. They both lie and cheat and are pretty much 
worthless.
-Curt


On Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:43:28 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Uh, would you prefer anarchy?  Or a European style of government with many
parties and quasi chaos?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And a 2 party system, interstate highways system, and rich farmland.
>
> I'd like to see both parties go away.
> Too close to Oligarchy now.
> The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'd like to dope slap Rand Paul for saying the party was the most important 
thing...
The country is the most important thing, I wouldn't mind if both parties died 
tomorrow.

-Curt
 

On Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:40:04 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On November 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And a 2 party system, interstate highways system, and rich farmland.

I'd like to see both parties go away. 
Too close to Oligarchy now. 
The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

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Uh, would you prefer anarchy?  Or a European style of government with many
parties and quasi chaos?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And a 2 party system, interstate highways system, and rich farmland.
>
> I'd like to see both parties go away.
> Too close to Oligarchy now.
> The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

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> On November 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And a 2 party system, interstate highways system, and rich farmland.

I'd like to see both parties go away. 
Too close to Oligarchy now. 
The Parties are stronger than the taxpayers. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And a 2 party system, interstate highways system, and rich farmland.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> True, but you also need infrastructure and legal/economic/political systems
> that provides relatively flat playing fields.
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > It comes down to (in part) understanding wealth, and were does it come
> > from.
> >
> > Some believe that there is a limited amount of wealth, and so the
> struggle
> > becomes "get my fair share".
> >
> > I believe that wealth is created, and the basic conditions required are
> > liberty and land.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --RT wrote:
> > > > ...I blame no one but the elected fools (or any other fools) who
> > > establish tax laws...
> > >
> > > Why not blame us? - we demand education, roads, military, etc.  DIY
> > > guys know WE can do this.  Cancel Washington DC.  Yes, let's argue how
> > > much DIY does, but start out with empty basket of gov't give away and
> > > we *might* end up with a view of liberty, complete with failures of
> > > responsibility, etc.  Cancel stuff, don't add stuff to government
> > > provisions.  Taxes encourage offshore accounts.
> > > tin.man
> > >
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
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> for themselves."
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

True, but you also need infrastructure and legal/economic/political systems
that provides relatively flat playing fields.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It comes down to (in part) understanding wealth, and were does it come
> from.
>
> Some believe that there is a limited amount of wealth, and so the struggle
> becomes "get my fair share".
>
> I believe that wealth is created, and the basic conditions required are
> liberty and land.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > --RT wrote:
> > > ...I blame no one but the elected fools (or any other fools) who
> > establish tax laws...
> >
> > Why not blame us? - we demand education, roads, military, etc.  DIY
> > guys know WE can do this.  Cancel Washington DC.  Yes, let's argue how
> > much DIY does, but start out with empty basket of gov't give away and
> > we *might* end up with a view of liberty, complete with failures of
> > responsibility, etc.  Cancel stuff, don't add stuff to government
> > provisions.  Taxes encourage offshore accounts.
> > tin.man
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Brains help.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It comes down to (in part) understanding wealth, and were does it come
> from.
>
> Some believe that there is a limited amount of wealth, and so the struggle
> becomes "get my fair share".
>
> I believe that wealth is created, and the basic conditions required are
> liberty and land.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > --RT wrote:
> > > ...I blame no one but the elected fools (or any other fools) who
> > establish tax laws...
> >
> > Why not blame us? - we demand education, roads, military, etc.  DIY
> > guys know WE can do this.  Cancel Washington DC.  Yes, let's argue how
> > much DIY does, but start out with empty basket of gov't give away and
> > we *might* end up with a view of liberty, complete with failures of
> > responsibility, etc.  Cancel stuff, don't add stuff to government
> > provisions.  Taxes encourage offshore accounts.
> > tin.man
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

It comes down to (in part) understanding wealth, and were does it come
from.

Some believe that there is a limited amount of wealth, and so the struggle
becomes "get my fair share".

I believe that wealth is created, and the basic conditions required are
liberty and land.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> --RT wrote:
> > ...I blame no one but the elected fools (or any other fools) who
> establish tax laws...
>
> Why not blame us? - we demand education, roads, military, etc.  DIY
> guys know WE can do this.  Cancel Washington DC.  Yes, let's argue how
> much DIY does, but start out with empty basket of gov't give away and
> we *might* end up with a view of liberty, complete with failures of
> responsibility, etc.  Cancel stuff, don't add stuff to government
> provisions.  Taxes encourage offshore accounts.
> tin.man
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--RT wrote:
> ...I blame no one but the elected fools (or any other fools) who establish 
> tax laws...

Why not blame us? - we demand education, roads, military, etc.  DIY
guys know WE can do this.  Cancel Washington DC.  Yes, let's argue how
much DIY does, but start out with empty basket of gov't give away and
we *might* end up with a view of liberty, complete with failures of
responsibility, etc.  Cancel stuff, don't add stuff to government
provisions.  Taxes encourage offshore accounts.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A very sophisticated form of money laundering.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:26 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well said.  Just look at that rich guy Kaleb, he's forced to hide his
> wealth from taxes using old Mercedes.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On November 5, 2017 11:37:08 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >This behavior seems to me to be a perfectly natural reaction to
> >obscure, arcane, irrational, and confiscatory tax policies based on a
> >belief that some substantial portion of a corporation’s or individual’s
> >earnings or wealth belongs to the government.  I blame no one but the
> >elected fools (or any other fools) who establish tax laws without
> >considering the downstream effects of their brilliance.
> >
> >--R
> >Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of the world elite's hidden
> >wealth
> >>
> >> Files from offshore law firm show financial dealings of the Queen,
> >big multinationals and members of Donald Trump’s cabinet
> >>
> >> What are the Paradise Papers? – video
> >>
> >> The world’s biggest businesses, heads of state and global figures in
> >politics, entertainment and sport who have sheltered their wealth in
> >secretive tax havens are being revealed this week in a major new
> >investigation into Britain’s offshore empires.
> >>
> >> The details come from a leak of 13.4m files that expose the global
> >environments in which tax abuses can thrive – and the complex and
> >seemingly artificial ways the wealthiest corporations can legally
> >protect their wealth.
> >>
> >> The material, which has come from two offshore service providers and
> >the company registries of 19 tax havens, was obtained by the German
> >newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared by the International
> >Consortium of Investigative Journalists with partners including the
> >Guardian, the BBC and the New York Times.
> >>
> >> The project has been called the Paradise Papers. It reveals:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Millions of pounds from the Queen’s private estate has been
> >invested in a Cayman Islands fund – and some of her money went to a
> >retailer accused of exploiting poor families and vulnerable people.
> >>
> >> EXTENSIVE OFFSHORE DEALINGS BY DONALD TRUMP'S CABINET MEMBERS,
> >ADVISERS AND
> >>
> >> DONORS, INCLUDING SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENTS FROM A FIRM CO-OWNED BY
> >VLADIMIR PUTIN'S
> >>
> >> SON-IN-LAW TO THE SHIPPING GROUP OF THE US COMMERCE SECRETARY,WILBUR
> >ROSS.
> >>
> >>A previously unknown $450m offshore trust that has sheltered the
> >wealth of Lord Ashcroft.
> >>Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including
> >Nike and Apple.
> >>How some of the biggest names in the film and TV industries
> >protect their wealth with an array of offshore schemes.
> >>The billions in tax refunds by the Isle of Man and Malta to the
> >owners of private jets and luxury yachts.
> >>The secret loan and alliance used by the London-listed
> >multinational Glencore in its efforts to secure lucrative mining rights
> >in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
> >>The complex offshore webs used by two Russian billionaires to buy
> >stakes in Arsenal and Everton football clubs.
> >>
> >> The disclosures will put pressure on world leaders, including Trump
> >and the British prime minister, Theresa May, who have both pledged to
> >curb aggressive tax avoidance schemes.
> >>
> >> The publication of this investigation, for which more than 380
> >journalists have spent a year combing through data that stretches back
> >70 years, comes at a time of growing global income inequality.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, multinational companies are shifting a growing share of
> >profits offshore – €600bn in the last year alone – the leading
> >economist Gabriel Zucman will reveal in a study to be published later
> >this week.
> >>
> >> “Tax havens are one of the key engines of the rise in global
> >inequality,” he said. “As inequality rises, offshore tax evasion is
> >becoming an elite sport.”
> >>
> >> At the centre of the leak is Appleby, a law firm with outposts in
> >Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Isle of
> >Man, Jersey and Guernsey. In contrast to Mossack Fonseca, the
> >discredited firm at the centre of last year’s Panama Papers
> >investigation, Appleby prides itself on being a leading member of the
> >“magic circle” of top-ranking offshore service providers.
> >>
> >> It acted for the establishment offshore, providing the structures
> >that helped to legally reduce their tax bills.
> >>
> >> Appleby says it has investigated all the allegations, and found
> >“there is no evidence of any wrongdoing, either on the part of
> >ourselves or our clients”, adding: “We are a law firm which advises
> >clients on legitimate and lawful ways to conduct their 

Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well said.  Just look at that rich guy Kaleb, he's forced to hide his wealth 
from taxes using old Mercedes.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 5, 2017 11:37:08 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>This behavior seems to me to be a perfectly natural reaction to
>obscure, arcane, irrational, and confiscatory tax policies based on a
>belief that some substantial portion of a corporation’s or individual’s
>earnings or wealth belongs to the government.  I blame no one but the
>elected fools (or any other fools) who establish tax laws without
>considering the downstream effects of their brilliance. 
>
>--R
>Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of the world elite's hidden
>wealth
>> 
>> Files from offshore law firm show financial dealings of the Queen,
>big multinationals and members of Donald Trump’s cabinet
>> 
>> What are the Paradise Papers? – video
>> 
>> The world’s biggest businesses, heads of state and global figures in
>politics, entertainment and sport who have sheltered their wealth in
>secretive tax havens are being revealed this week in a major new
>investigation into Britain’s offshore empires.
>> 
>> The details come from a leak of 13.4m files that expose the global
>environments in which tax abuses can thrive – and the complex and
>seemingly artificial ways the wealthiest corporations can legally
>protect their wealth.
>> 
>> The material, which has come from two offshore service providers and
>the company registries of 19 tax havens, was obtained by the German
>newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared by the International
>Consortium of Investigative Journalists with partners including the
>Guardian, the BBC and the New York Times.
>> 
>> The project has been called the Paradise Papers. It reveals:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Millions of pounds from the Queen’s private estate has been
>invested in a Cayman Islands fund – and some of her money went to a
>retailer accused of exploiting poor families and vulnerable people.
>> 
>> EXTENSIVE OFFSHORE DEALINGS BY DONALD TRUMP'S CABINET MEMBERS,
>ADVISERS AND 
>> 
>> DONORS, INCLUDING SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENTS FROM A FIRM CO-OWNED BY
>VLADIMIR PUTIN'S
>> 
>> SON-IN-LAW TO THE SHIPPING GROUP OF THE US COMMERCE SECRETARY,WILBUR
>ROSS. 
>> 
>>A previously unknown $450m offshore trust that has sheltered the
>wealth of Lord Ashcroft.
>>Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including
>Nike and Apple.
>>How some of the biggest names in the film and TV industries
>protect their wealth with an array of offshore schemes.
>>The billions in tax refunds by the Isle of Man and Malta to the
>owners of private jets and luxury yachts.
>>The secret loan and alliance used by the London-listed
>multinational Glencore in its efforts to secure lucrative mining rights
>in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
>>The complex offshore webs used by two Russian billionaires to buy
>stakes in Arsenal and Everton football clubs.
>> 
>> The disclosures will put pressure on world leaders, including Trump
>and the British prime minister, Theresa May, who have both pledged to
>curb aggressive tax avoidance schemes.
>> 
>> The publication of this investigation, for which more than 380
>journalists have spent a year combing through data that stretches back
>70 years, comes at a time of growing global income inequality.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, multinational companies are shifting a growing share of
>profits offshore – €600bn in the last year alone – the leading
>economist Gabriel Zucman will reveal in a study to be published later
>this week.
>> 
>> “Tax havens are one of the key engines of the rise in global
>inequality,” he said. “As inequality rises, offshore tax evasion is
>becoming an elite sport.”
>> 
>> At the centre of the leak is Appleby, a law firm with outposts in
>Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Isle of
>Man, Jersey and Guernsey. In contrast to Mossack Fonseca, the
>discredited firm at the centre of last year’s Panama Papers
>investigation, Appleby prides itself on being a leading member of the
>“magic circle” of top-ranking offshore service providers.
>> 
>> It acted for the establishment offshore, providing the structures
>that helped to legally reduce their tax bills.
>> 
>> Appleby says it has investigated all the allegations, and found
>“there is no evidence of any wrongdoing, either on the part of
>ourselves or our clients”, adding: “We are a law firm which advises
>clients on legitimate and lawful ways to conduct their business. We do
>not tolerate illegal behaviour.”
>> 
>>
>https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

This behavior seems to me to be a perfectly natural reaction to obscure, 
arcane, irrational, and confiscatory tax policies based on a belief that some 
substantial portion of a corporation’s or individual’s earnings or wealth 
belongs to the government.  I blame no one but the elected fools (or any other 
fools) who establish tax laws without considering the downstream effects of 
their brilliance. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of the world elite's hidden wealth
> 
> Files from offshore law firm show financial dealings of the Queen, big 
> multinationals and members of Donald Trump’s cabinet
> 
> What are the Paradise Papers? – video
> 
> The world’s biggest businesses, heads of state and global figures in 
> politics, entertainment and sport who have sheltered their wealth in 
> secretive tax havens are being revealed this week in a major new 
> investigation into Britain’s offshore empires.
> 
> The details come from a leak of 13.4m files that expose the global 
> environments in which tax abuses can thrive – and the complex and seemingly 
> artificial ways the wealthiest corporations can legally protect their wealth.
> 
> The material, which has come from two offshore service providers and the 
> company registries of 19 tax havens, was obtained by the German newspaper 
> Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared by the International Consortium of 
> Investigative Journalists with partners including the Guardian, the BBC and 
> the New York Times.
> 
> The project has been called the Paradise Papers. It reveals:
> 
> 
> 
>Millions of pounds from the Queen’s private estate has been invested in a 
> Cayman Islands fund – and some of her money went to a retailer accused of 
> exploiting poor families and vulnerable people.
> 
> EXTENSIVE OFFSHORE DEALINGS BY DONALD TRUMP'S CABINET MEMBERS, ADVISERS AND 
> 
> DONORS, INCLUDING SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENTS FROM A FIRM CO-OWNED BY VLADIMIR 
> PUTIN'S
> 
> SON-IN-LAW TO THE SHIPPING GROUP OF THE US COMMERCE SECRETARY,WILBUR ROSS. 
> 
>A previously unknown $450m offshore trust that has sheltered the wealth of 
> Lord Ashcroft.
>Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including Nike and 
> Apple.
>How some of the biggest names in the film and TV industries protect their 
> wealth with an array of offshore schemes.
>The billions in tax refunds by the Isle of Man and Malta to the owners of 
> private jets and luxury yachts.
>The secret loan and alliance used by the London-listed multinational 
> Glencore in its efforts to secure lucrative mining rights in the Democratic 
> Republic of the Congo.
>The complex offshore webs used by two Russian billionaires to buy stakes 
> in Arsenal and Everton football clubs.
> 
> The disclosures will put pressure on world leaders, including Trump and the 
> British prime minister, Theresa May, who have both pledged to curb aggressive 
> tax avoidance schemes.
> 
> The publication of this investigation, for which more than 380 journalists 
> have spent a year combing through data that stretches back 70 years, comes at 
> a time of growing global income inequality.
> 
> Meanwhile, multinational companies are shifting a growing share of profits 
> offshore – €600bn in the last year alone – the leading economist Gabriel 
> Zucman will reveal in a study to be published later this week.
> 
> “Tax havens are one of the key engines of the rise in global inequality,” he 
> said. “As inequality rises, offshore tax evasion is becoming an elite sport.”
> 
> At the centre of the leak is Appleby, a law firm with outposts in Bermuda, 
> the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Isle of Man, Jersey and 
> Guernsey. In contrast to Mossack Fonseca, the discredited firm at the centre 
> of last year’s Panama Papers investigation, Appleby prides itself on being a 
> leading member of the “magic circle” of top-ranking offshore service 
> providers.
> 
> It acted for the establishment offshore, providing the structures that helped 
> to legally reduce their tax bills.
> 
> Appleby says it has investigated all the allegations, and found “there is no 
> evidence of any wrongdoing, either on the part of ourselves or our clients”, 
> adding: “We are a law firm which advises clients on legitimate and lawful 
> ways to conduct their business. We do not tolerate illegal behaviour.”
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tip of the Icebergs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I hereby pledge that after earning my first $billion I will NOT use any
offshore tax shelters.

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>  Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of the world elite's hidden wealth
>
> Files from offshore law firm show financial dealings of the Queen, big
> multinationals and members of Donald Trump’s cabinet
>
> What are the Paradise Papers? – video
>
> The world’s biggest businesses, heads of state and global figures in
> politics, entertainment and sport who have sheltered their wealth in
> secretive tax havens are being revealed this week in a major new
> investigation into Britain’s offshore empires.
>
> The details come from a leak of 13.4m files that expose the global
> environments in which tax abuses can thrive – and the complex and seemingly
> artificial ways the wealthiest corporations can legally protect their
> wealth.
>
> The material, which has come from two offshore service providers and the
> company registries of 19 tax havens, was obtained by the German newspaper
> Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared by the International Consortium of
> Investigative Journalists with partners including the Guardian, the BBC and
> the New York Times.
>
> The project has been called the Paradise Papers. It reveals:
>
>
>
> Millions of pounds from the Queen’s private estate has been invested
> in a Cayman Islands fund – and some of her money went to a retailer accused
> of exploiting poor families and vulnerable people.
>
> EXTENSIVE OFFSHORE DEALINGS BY DONALD TRUMP'S CABINET MEMBERS, ADVISERS AND
>
> DONORS, INCLUDING SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENTS FROM A FIRM CO-OWNED BY VLADIMIR
> PUTIN'S
>
> SON-IN-LAW TO THE SHIPPING GROUP OF THE US COMMERCE SECRETARY,WILBUR ROSS.
>
> A previously unknown $450m offshore trust that has sheltered the
> wealth of Lord Ashcroft.
> Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including Nike
> and Apple.
> How some of the biggest names in the film and TV industries protect
> their wealth with an array of offshore schemes.
> The billions in tax refunds by the Isle of Man and Malta to the owners
> of private jets and luxury yachts.
> The secret loan and alliance used by the London-listed multinational
> Glencore in its efforts to secure lucrative mining rights in the Democratic
> Republic of the Congo.
> The complex offshore webs used by two Russian billionaires to buy
> stakes in Arsenal and Everton football clubs.
>
> The disclosures will put pressure on world leaders, including Trump and
> the British prime minister, Theresa May, who have both pledged to curb
> aggressive tax avoidance schemes.
>
> The publication of this investigation, for which more than 380 journalists
> have spent a year combing through data that stretches back 70 years, comes
> at a time of growing global income inequality.
>
> Meanwhile, multinational companies are shifting a growing share of profits
> offshore – €600bn in the last year alone – the leading economist Gabriel
> Zucman will reveal in a study to be published later this week.
>
> “Tax havens are one of the key engines of the rise in global inequality,”
> he said. “As inequality rises, offshore tax evasion is becoming an elite
> sport.”
>
> At the centre of the leak is Appleby, a law firm with outposts in Bermuda,
> the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Isle of Man, Jersey and
> Guernsey. In contrast to Mossack Fonseca, the discredited firm at the
> centre of last year’s Panama Papers investigation, Appleby prides itself on
> being a leading member of the “magic circle” of top-ranking offshore
> service providers.
>
> It acted for the establishment offshore, providing the structures that
> helped to legally reduce their tax bills.
>
> Appleby says it has investigated all the allegations, and found “there is
> no evidence of any wrongdoing, either on the part of ourselves or our
> clients”, adding: “We are a law firm which advises clients on legitimate
> and lawful ways to conduct their business. We do not tolerate illegal
> behaviour.”
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-
> papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth
>
>
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