Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
That's my current plan, although I got home too late from work today to drop it off. I hope I can do so tomorrow. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/31/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though, with the part it is stuck in removed, I'd probably use the most powerful tool in my tool box - the credit card - and hop in another partially running vehicle and take it to a machine shop.
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
lol the neighbourhood 10 year old...you speak of the halfling as it were cattle! lol =) On 10/29/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with the help of the new neighbourhood 10-year-old, I was able to get 1/2 way done my water pump RR. I picked up a new refurb from the dealer today, test drove an R-500, and went home to do the pump. I eventually got all the accessory belts off. That AC unit is a real PITA to loosen up! The water pump came off and coolant spilled everywhere but I was smart enough to put a pan underneath first. Above 4-5 litres came out. PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? Tim 1982 300TD Moby ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Well he just kind of showed up. He was playing with a soccer ball in the street and it rolled over to my lawn, and he said nice car as he picked it up. A short time later, he ditched his friends and just shadowed me for the rest of the day. It was neat at first, but then he wanted me to watch his impressions of wrestling moves and I was getting tired of it. Once he got under the car though it was easier going. I couldn't help think though that if my car suddenly started rolling (it was in park though), I'd be up sh1t creek if the kid got injured. All was well though, and I finally sent him on his way hours later. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 11/3/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lol the neighbourhood 10 year old...you speak of the halfling as it were cattle! lol =) On 10/29/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with the help of the new neighbourhood 10-year-old, I was able to get 1/2 way done my water pump RR. I picked up a new refurb from the dealer today, test drove an R-500, and went home to do the pump. I eventually got all the accessory belts off. That AC unit is a real PITA to loosen up! The water pump came off and coolant spilled everywhere but I was smart enough to put a pan underneath first. Above 4-5 litres came out. PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? Tim 1982 300TD Moby ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Well it's good that you put him to work, though i would have payed him for his time. On 11/3/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well he just kind of showed up. He was playing with a soccer ball in the street and it rolled over to my lawn, and he said nice car as he picked it up. A short time later, he ditched his friends and just shadowed me for the rest of the day. It was neat at first, but then he wanted me to watch his impressions of wrestling moves and I was getting tired of it. Once he got under the car though it was easier going. I couldn't help think though that if my car suddenly started rolling (it was in park though), I'd be up sh1t creek if the kid got injured. All was well though, and I finally sent him on his way hours later. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 11/3/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lol the neighbourhood 10 year old...you speak of the halfling as it were cattle! lol =) On 10/29/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with the help of the new neighbourhood 10-year-old, I was able to get 1/2 way done my water pump RR. I picked up a new refurb from the dealer today, test drove an R-500, and went home to do the pump. I eventually got all the accessory belts off. That AC unit is a real PITA to loosen up! The water pump came off and coolant spilled everywhere but I was smart enough to put a pan underneath first. Above 4-5 litres came out. PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? Tim 1982 300TD Moby ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Hmmm. Never thought of it. Maybe next time I'll give him a bottle of my awesome homebrew... Heh heh... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 11/3/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it's good that you put him to work, though i would have payed him for his time. On 11/3/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well he just kind of showed up. He was playing with a soccer ball in the street and it rolled over to my lawn, and he said nice car as he picked it up. A short time later, he ditched his friends and just shadowed me for the rest of the day. It was neat at first, but then he wanted me to watch his impressions of wrestling moves and I was getting tired of it. Once he got under the car though it was easier going. I couldn't help think though that if my car suddenly started rolling (it was in park though), I'd be up sh1t creek if the kid got injured. All was well though, and I finally sent him on his way hours later. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 11/3/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lol the neighbourhood 10 year old...you speak of the halfling as it were cattle! lol =) On 10/29/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with the help of the new neighbourhood 10-year-old, I was able to get 1/2 way done my water pump RR. I picked up a new refurb from the dealer today, test drove an R-500, and went home to do the pump. I eventually got all the accessory belts off. That AC unit is a real PITA to loosen up! The water pump came off and coolant spilled everywhere but I was smart enough to put a pan underneath first. Above 4-5 litres came out. PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? Tim 1982 300TD Moby ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 10:58:05PM -0500, TimothyPilgrim wrote: Well, bad news. I went and broke my extractor bit in the pilot hole. Looks like I've going to have to submit and take the case into a machine shop and get a pro to drill it out. Extractors don't often work since they break too easily. If you can get a bite on it, vise grips and heat work awesome. That failing, get some left hand drill bits and some cutting oil and wear it out. Though, with the part it is stuck in removed, I'd probably use the most powerful tool in my tool box - the credit card - and hop in another partially running vehicle and take it to a machine shop. K
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Well, bad news. I went and broke my extractor bit in the pilot hole. Looks like I've going to have to submit and take the case into a machine shop and get a pro to drill it out. Tim 1982 300TD Moby
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. Oops. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down, use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth (counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up. Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? I sure would not. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Tim, if you get to the point where you *have* to use a screw extractor (sounds like you're approaching that point), use one like these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HHNKC/104-9734127-1604705?v=glancen=228013n=284507s=hiv=glance I've broken off several of the Easy-Out type in stubborn screws -- in fact, some mechanics I know use them as an absolute last resort *because* of the likelihood that the tool will break off and leave you in a worse state than before you tried it. I have never failed to remove a broken screw with the obelisk style extractors like those shown in the photo. The one caveat is not to drive them too deep into the pilot hole you've drilled, as they'll press the threads of the screw tighter against the sides of the hole. Russ Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. Oops. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down, use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth (counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up. Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? I sure would not. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Kroil? I take it that is penetrating oil? Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/30/05, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. Oops. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down, use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth (counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up. Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? I sure would not. Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Problem is, I can't get a drill in front of this bolt to drill a pilot hole for the extractor. I may have to go with the heat and penetrating oil method first. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/30/05, Russ Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, if you get to the point where you *have* to use a screw extractor (sounds like you're approaching that point), use one like these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HHNKC/104-9734127-1604705?v=glancen=228013n=284507s=hiv=glance I've broken off several of the Easy-Out type in stubborn screws -- in fact, some mechanics I know use them as an absolute last resort *because* of the likelihood that the tool will break off and leave you in a worse state than before you tried it. I have never failed to remove a broken screw with the obelisk style extractors like those shown in the photo. The one caveat is not to drive them too deep into the pilot hole you've drilled, as they'll press the threads of the screw tighter against the sides of the hole. Russ Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to loosen it. Oops. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that sheared bolt out? Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down, use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth (counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up. Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on? I sure would not. Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Kroil? I take it that is penetrating oil? Tim 1982 300TD Moby This is the best. I have found no better penetrating oil. And remember heat, patience and time are your friends when working with broken bolts. http://www.kanolabs.com/ https://www.protoolsdirect.com/product.asp?sku=30469 http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/aerokroil.htm Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:57:29 -0600 Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kroil? I take it that is penetrating oil? Tim 1982 300TD Moby This is the best. I have found no better penetrating oil. And remember heat, patience and time are your friends when working with broken bolts. http://www.kanolabs.com/ https://www.protoolsdirect.com/product.asp?sku=30469 http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/aerokroil.htm What he said. Accept no substitutes. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
My 123 isn't home to look at, but could you get the drill in there if you pulled the radiator? It's not much work now that you've drained the antifreeze. THere are also right angle adapters for drills, though I've never used one. On 10/30/05, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem is, I can't get a drill in front of this bolt to drill a pilot hole for the extractor. I may have to go with the heat and penetrating oil method first. Tim 1982 300TD Moby -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Rick wrote This is the best. I have found no better penetrating oil. And remember heat, patience and time are your friends when working with broken bolts. http://www.kanolabs.com/; Maybe, but I think I am going to give their SiliKroil a slight edge. I find myself reaching for that more and more. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Harry wrote Maybe, but I think I am going to give their SiliKroil a slight edge. I find myself reaching for that more and more. I will have to give it a try. The graphite stuff looks promising too. Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD
Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed
Well I've gone about it a different way. We don't have Kroil up here, so I picked up some Gunk Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Didn't help at all, and the vise grips kept slipping off. I noticed that there's a larger ring or housing that the water pump bolts to. I ended up removing that and cleaning the grease off with a Castol motorcycle metal cleaner. Worked wonders for the grease. Anyway, I also went out and picked up a 1/8-1/4 screw extractor now that I can use my drill without restriction. I'm going to try that next now that the part is clean. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/30/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 123 isn't home to look at, but could you get the drill in there if you pulled the radiator? It's not much work now that you've drained the antifreeze. THere are also right angle adapters for drills, though I've never used one.
