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for the continuation of the list, we'll need a new name... I'm suggesting... [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that good for everyone? What are these new names. Is this where majordome(or whatever mailing list manager you will use) will reside? And I want to add my appreciation to Gordon for his long service. yes. it will be a 'Mailman' based list, which uses a webpage for subscribe/unsubscribe and administrative functions (you CAN still do it via email if you want, but the web interface is much easier to deal with). I've actually got the list setup and ready to go, but am still waiting for the DNS to be setup for lists.mersenne.org, and then we'll run a day or so of private testing, and go 'live' with the full subscriber list. I think it would be confusing to launch the new list with a temporary name, then change it a few days later. also, to all you existing subscribers who currently get the digest form... you may have to re-opt for that after I setup the new list, I'll explain this when the time comes. and, yes, Kudos to Gordon, he's run this list for quite a long time... My archives show I got on it in August 1996, and it was already in progress then, so its at least 8 years old, which is nearly forever in Internet years... _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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Howdy, What are these new names. Is this where majordome(or whatever mailing list manager you will use) will reside? And I want to add my appreciation to Gordon for his long service. Good day, Ralph On Wed, 2004-04-28, John R Pierce wrote: > for the continuation of the list, we'll need a new name... > > I'm suggesting... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > is that good for everyone? > > it may temporarily be > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] until the DNS can be setup for the above. > _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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At 11:30 AM 4/22/2004 -0700, Gordon Irlam wrote: FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. for the continuation of the list, we'll need a new name... I'm suggesting... [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that good for everyone? it may temporarily be [EMAIL PROTECTED] until the DNS can be setup for the above. _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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At 11:30 AM 4/22/2004 -0700, Gordon Irlam wrote: >FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. As a long time (5+ years) but rarely posting participant, I'd also like to add my thanks to the growing pile. I've learned quite a bit about both math and programming from reading this list. Thanks for all your hard work! David (S01202) _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:05:20 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: >Web-based alternatives are extremely crappy compared to a mailing list, I couldn't agree more, so therefore just a quick word of thanks to you who will be taking over the running of the list now - it is much appreciated! /Per Jessen, Zurich _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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At 10:38 AM 4/23/2004 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: say, who runs the DNS for mersenne.org ? ok, the domain is registered to George Woltman... so he'd have to contact sbsi-net to do this. Contact Scott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He'll need to do whatever is required. _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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John R Pierce wrote: > the archives are generally set to 'subscriber only', so you have to be a > list subscriber to read them. this has kept the spam harvesters at bay > on my other lists. > > but, I'll leave the archive option off. Do you mean you won't archive the list at all? -- Robin Millette (aka Lord D. Nattor) http://rym.waglo.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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If you are going to archive and publish past postings, please be sure that any email addresses get obfuscated so that they can't be harvested by spammers. I just switched email addresses because I was getting so much spam, and I would hate to have to do it again. the archives are generally set to 'subscriber only', so you have to be a list subscriber to read them. this has kept the spam harvesters at bay on my other lists. but, I'll leave the archive option off. say, who runs the DNS for mersenne.org ? $ host -t NS mersenne.org mersenne.org name server sbsidns01.sbsi-net.com. if they set their "MX" to point to my list server, I can host this list as something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. alternately, they could create a MX for `lists.mersenne.org`, and we could be like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such... ok, the domain is registered to George Woltman... so he'd have to contact sbsi-net to do this. _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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> I also run a reasonably current version of mailman on my server, and have > sufficient bandwidth and adequate uptime to host this list. My server has > had only a few hours of downtime in the past 3-4 years... I host several > other lists, including a rather busy music list with dozens of posts every > single day, and 200-300 subscribers. Any idea roughly how many subscribers > this list has? I show approximately 13000 posts since I first subscribed > in august(?) 1996 (yes, I have all that in my mail folders). thats an > average of about 4 messages a day, well within reason. Thanks. I will take you up on this offer. I will send you the subscriber lists momentarily. > Converting this list to mailman would simply require getting the current > subscription list in the form of one address per line, and dropping it into > mailman's 'mass subscribe' admin interface a bonus would be getting the > archives in Mailbox format, and dropping them into the pipermail archive > feature, this would create searchable online archives back as far as we care > to go. If you are going to archive and publish past postings, please be sure that any email addresses get obfuscated so that they can't be harvested by spammers. I just switched email addresses because I was getting so much spam, and I would hate to have to do it again. thanks, gordon _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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Robin Millette wrote: > I can offer to host the lists, as I already host a few for different projects. > Let me know if this would be appreciated. Replying to myself... I see a few other serious offers on the table, so I'm going to assume somebody else will take over the list. If for some reason it doesn't work out, you know you can still ask me :) See you all "on the other side" :) -- Robin Millette (aka Lord D. Nattor) http://rym.waglo.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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At 18:42 4/22/2004 -0400, you wrote: I like this list because you push posts to me. I don't have to remember to go somewhere to pull the posts. Frank Anzalone Gentlemen, I have really appreciated the list over the 8 years I have been a part of it. Thank you Gordon. My 2 cents about the list is that in the last year it has hardly been there because of the forum. I agree with Frank in that sending me the emails kept me connected and involved where the forum requires that I go searching for what is new. That is work, and I already have a full time job. The list, on the other hand, would magically appear in my filtering report and I would go read as a rest or diversion from work. I enjoyed that. I hate to see it the way it has been for the last year or so. Also, at some level doesn't the list have to remain so that George can send emails about bug fixes and new versions? Thanks again Stephen _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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> single day, and 200-300 subscribers. Any idea roughly how many subscribers > this list has? There are 700-800 split evenly between the list and the digest. My preference would be to transfer the list to a system running mailman that hosts a number of other lists, and is likely to be reliable over the long term. _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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I like this list because you push posts to me. I don't have to remember to go somewhere to pull the posts. Frank Anzalone
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Andrew Hitchcock wrote: > Thanks for running it for so long Gordon. > > I have a mailman installation that I would be willing to donate if no > one else has a better system. I can't promise 100% uptime, but I will do > my best to minimize the downtime. Same here, I can offer a mailman installation and we could share administrative/moderation tasks. Either way, the list will live on :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] sounds good :) -- Robin Millette (aka Lord D. Nattor) http://rym.waglo.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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There is an existing web forum that has ongoing discussions of most aspects of the project here: http://www.mersenneforum.org -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Malayter Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mersenne: End of list What are the alternatives? Yahoo! Groups? Gordon, could you export the member list into a new yahoo group if need be? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon > Irlam > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Mersenne: End of list > > FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. > > When it was established some 10 years ago, other venues for discussing > these issues did not exist, and could not easily be created. > Now other > venues and mailing lists exist. > > The cost to me of maintaining this list are two fold: > > - the need to maintain a server connected to the Internet > (higher connection costs; difficulty moving from house to house; > and need to worry about system reliability and uptime) > > - time taken upgrading my system (need to upgrade from majordomo > to mailman; and costs of maintaining the configuration from > one upgrade to the next) > > Since alternatives exist, I am not making very much of a difference by > hosting these lists, and I am doing so at significant cost. Hence my > decision to end the list. > > I will allow discussion of alternative lists people may wish to join > before closing this list. > >thanks, >gordon (list admin) > __ > ___ > Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm > Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers > _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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I will allow discussion of alternative lists people may wish to join before closing this list. in echo of the rest, yeah, thanks, its been a good list. I also run a reasonably current version of mailman on my server, and have sufficient bandwidth and adequate uptime to host this list. My server has had only a few hours of downtime in the past 3-4 years... I host several other lists, including a rather busy music list with dozens of posts every single day, and 200-300 subscribers. Any idea roughly how many subscribers this list has? I show approximately 13000 posts since I first subscribed in august(?) 1996 (yes, I have all that in my mail folders). thats an average of about 4 messages a day, well within reason. Converting this list to mailman would simply require getting the current subscription list in the form of one address per line, and dropping it into mailman's 'mass subscribe' admin interface a bonus would be getting the archives in Mailbox format, and dropping them into the pipermail archive feature, this would create searchable online archives back as far as we care to go. _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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Thanks for running it for so long Gordon. I have a mailman installation that I would be willing to donate if no one else has a better system. I can't promise 100% uptime, but I will do my best to minimize the downtime. If no one else volunteers within a few days, I'll go ahead and set it up. Then I just need the member list, preferably with one address per line. That is, if there is still interest in having a list. Andrew Ryan Malayter wrote: What are the alternatives? Yahoo! Groups? Gordon, could you export the member list into a new yahoo group if need be? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Irlam Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mersenne: End of list FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. When it was established some 10 years ago, other venues for discussing these issues did not exist, and could not easily be created. Now other venues and mailing lists exist. The cost to me of maintaining this list are two fold: - the need to maintain a server connected to the Internet (higher connection costs; difficulty moving from house to house; and need to worry about system reliability and uptime) - time taken upgrading my system (need to upgrade from majordomo to mailman; and costs of maintaining the configuration from one upgrade to the next) Since alternatives exist, I am not making very much of a difference by hosting these lists, and I am doing so at significant cost. Hence my decision to end the list. I will allow discussion of alternative lists people may wish to join before closing this list. thanks, gordon (list admin) __ ___ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 11:30:18AM -0700, Gordon Irlam wrote: > FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. Sad, but it hasn't been all that high-volume lately, and I understand the problems hosting it. I haven't been here for all that long (umm, I can't remember for how long :-) ), but it's been fun, and I doubt I'm the only one who have learned quite a bit from the discussions (although most have been way over my head). :-) Web-based alternatives are extremely crappy compared to a mailing list, though, but that seems to be the state of the Internet currently... /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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Gordon Irlam wrote: > FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. > > When it was established some 10 years ago, other venues for discussing > these issues did not exist, and could not easily be created. Now other > venues and mailing lists exist. Thanks for hosting it for such a long time! It's been a pleasure to hear about 4 or 5 record primes here over the years. I can offer to host the lists, as I already host a few for different projects. Let me know if this would be appreciated. -- Robin Millette (aka Lord D. Nattor) http://rym.waglo.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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What are the alternatives? Yahoo! Groups? Gordon, could you export the member list into a new yahoo group if need be? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gordon Irlam > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Mersenne: End of list > > FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. > > When it was established some 10 years ago, other venues for discussing > these issues did not exist, and could not easily be created. > Now other > venues and mailing lists exist. > > The cost to me of maintaining this list are two fold: > > - the need to maintain a server connected to the Internet > (higher connection costs; difficulty moving from house to house; > and need to worry about system reliability and uptime) > > - time taken upgrading my system (need to upgrade from majordomo > to mailman; and costs of maintaining the configuration from > one upgrade to the next) > > Since alternatives exist, I am not making very much of a difference by > hosting these lists, and I am doing so at significant cost. Hence my > decision to end the list. > > I will allow discussion of alternative lists people may wish to join > before closing this list. > >thanks, >gordon (list admin) > __ > ___ > Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm > Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers > _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
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At 11:30 AM 4/22/2004 -0700, Gordon Irlam wrote: FYI. I intend to end this list shortly. Thank you, Gordon. Your efforts have been greatly appreciated over the years! _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
