Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor any of 
the wording below.
Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

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From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.



On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
> What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Jim Wooddell
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
> *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
> *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
> 
> I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
> fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
> or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ruben and List,
> 
> Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
> 
> I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
> with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
> monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
> by them.
> 
> Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
> of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
> for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
> Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
> jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
> of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
> stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
> including Ads!
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up, but really...
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
> mind that
> selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
> against federal law.
> I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
> some List Members
> have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
> sales,
> especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
> for free and
> without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
> BLM's
> regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
> certain public
> lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
> per person per
> year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
> non-motorized and
> non-Mechanical equip

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell


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From: Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
To: Raremeteorites
Cc: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable fall - 
in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government or state 
agency relating to meteorites or anything else.  
On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with the new 
laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary value of 
meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of 
prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for competitors 
and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only that, dealers who 
break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the collection of meteorites 
on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as 
examples for even stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA
10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if
interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >
IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] YouTube Video

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Larry!

THAT is an AWESOME video!!!

Jim

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[meteorite-list] Veterans Meteorite Hunt Happening!!!

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Folks!

I hope this message goes through!

Together with Granger Legacy, I am putting on a Veteran's Meteorite Hunt
On April 29th exclusively for Veterans of any of the 5 armed services. 
There will be expert meteorite hunters to help guide Veterans during the
hunt to help insure their best chance of finding a meteorite.
All veterans are welcome.  A camp out and BBQ are happening and the BBQ
is no charge to the Veterans.  Breakfast is being served at no charge as
well.  PLEASE RSVP for head count.
The hunt will be near Pahrump, NV.  Some of the Vets are staying at the
Saddle West Hotel in Pahrump rather than camping.  If you are a Veteran
and are interested, please join the Facebook Group or contact me direct
to sign up.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/156274051559087/

V/R,

Jim Wooddell




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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Folks!

I hope this message goes through!

Together with Granger Legacy, I am putting on a Veteran's Meteorite Hunt
On April 29th exclusively for Veterans of any of the 5 armed services. 
There will be expert meteorite hunters to help guide Veterans during the
hunt to help insure their best chance of finding a meteorite.
All veterans are welcome.  A camp out and BBQ are happening and the BBQ
is no charge to the Veterans.  Breakfast is being served at no charge as
well.  PLEASE RSVP for head count.
The hunt will be near Pahrump, NV.  Some of the Vets are staying at the
Saddle West Hotel in Pahrump rather than camping.  If you are a Veteran
and are interested, please join the Facebook Group or contact me direct
to sign up.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/156274051559087/

V/R,

Jim Wooddell




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Re: [meteorite-list] MetBul database

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

I am guessing holiday!

Merry  Christmas everyone!


Jim


On 12/24/2016 11:20 AM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Does anyone know what's going on with the MetBul on-line database? I haven't 
> been able to access if for many days, from many computers :(
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Paul Swartz
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field (Congrat's!)

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Ruben and all!

I had not fired up the database files I have in a long time and I just
completed inputting Myke's finds into the database.I can not go into
much detail except for the finds that made it to the Met Bull...and I am
very happy to see some of them now classified! You can look at YUCCA 041
(H3-6) in the Met Bulls and see that finds in that area occurred long
ago.  That said, early on, I know for a fact that Denny Asher did not
have a GPS and much of the find data back then was the pointy finger
method.  At some point in time, Jerry Baird gave Denny a GPS and gave
him instruction on how to use it out of frustration of not having good
find data.  Next thing that happened was Denny came up with a strewn
field every time he found two meteorites!  Had he kept that up, there
would have been 360 degrees worth of strewn fields!  Often, they just
walked areas looking for the critters on the surface.  Very much looking
forward to Dr Garvie's classification.  Thin section turned out beautimus!

Now, back to watching epoxy cure! 

Jim



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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

It is the Horizon pictures that nail the coffin shut.

I see 6 peaks and three mountain ranges I know very well (I named them
for a project in the past), and a housing area!

Even though I know exactly where you guys are, I could easily find
exactly where you are using the pictures.  I have found other "secret"
strewn fields using pictures posted and.  The information gathering
takes place over time until one gets enough to move.  Common
investigative techniques!
Meteorite Hunting Rule #17.  Never share pictures with the Horizon in
the background.

Hope you guys found more.  Looked like a great day.  Sample I am working
on is metal richabundant troilite which overwhelms the kamacite
present!  Maybe 2 to 1!  Looks like an H to me, low weathering, not
uncommon for that area. My disclaimer is I could be totally wrong!! 

Jim





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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi List!


Geese Ruben, your pictures tell us exactly where you are!


Take care out there!


Jim


On 12/06/2016 11:05 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Great looking stones, I hope this strewn field turns out to be one
> that produces for many, many years!  Looking forward to the
> classification and getting out there myself.  So much terrain like
> that in AZ, every time I drive through the state I want to stop and
> cold hunt just about everywhere.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> My friend Myke Steighler recently found some really fresh looking
>> (probably L) chondrite meteorites in Northwest Arizona.
>>
>> Today he invited Dustin Dickens and Myself to hunt what we believe is
>> Arizona's Newest Strewn field.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I can not divulge the exact location until the
>> classification process is completed.
>>
>> However, here are some photos of our hunt and some of Myke's amazing finds.
>>
>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/arizona-s-newest-strewnfield
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Y'all,

In a nutshell, from this point forward, DCA's will be created in the 
form of grids.

From this point forward, new finds with coordinates will have DCA names.
That's what I get out of it!

Happy days everyone!

Jim Wooddell



On 2/14/2015 12:04 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Carl and List,

Thank you for this update on the change.  However, what exactly does
this mean in practice?

For example, would a find with coordinates like Mreira now be
classified as a NWA 10xxx ?

Or will finds with firm reliable coordinates still be considered for a
place name and not a NWA 10xxx?

On this page, I can see the crossed out portion about NWAs that was
abolished.  But what else has changed in regards to policy about
classifying NWA material? - http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59

Best regards,

MikeG




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Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

For those that don't live in the US,

You try and send us flowers, all hell will break out.  And lord help us 
all if the flowers have dirt on them, we will go into a level 2 alert.


However, we welcome Ebola and other nasty stuff!We are just a little 
different!


That is all.

Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Keeping this meteorite related, the California bug stations even look 
for firewood coming in from other states.  So for example you are 
planning a meteorite
hunting trip into or through California and figure you would like to 
haul some firewood with you, you might want to know that they may or 
will seize

it at the border inspection stations.

Jim Wooddell




On 12/8/2014 6:51 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

That is a crime, you really want someone to receive and ship goods to you in 
violation of California law? They could be prosecuted for that.

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

NOTE: THIS IS NOT METEORITE INFORMATION

Hi All,
Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
As some of you know, I grow exotic plants, have a
Greenhouse, etc.
Unfortunately, CA is THE worst state when it comes
To importing plants.
SNIPOLA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 1 Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Y'all

It would be nice to here from the NomCom in regards to this for my 
education.


I do not have any issue with each meteorite (fragment/size or other) 
being classified/submitted/approved for several reasons.

I very much appreciate the effort.

Would like to know more about the requests/submissions/ what is 
required/involved for approval of pairing groups, etc.  I know what the 
guidelines say.

Are there existing pairing groups out there?

Have a great day!

Jim Wooddell



On 11/23/2014 5:43 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list wrote:

No,
Apologies to all members of the Nom.Comm who might be reading the Met 
List, but no, they did not find 41 meteorites in the Gobi, they found 
41 Fragments of ONE meteorite.
Just read the descriptions, and they are all identical:  found within 
48 hours, in an area of less than 4 square kilometers, all of them L5, 
S=5 and W=2, almost identical composition. No, 41 fragments of 1 
meteorite.


Sorry, this is a blatant example of a pairing system that is not working.
All buying of ... You know the rest.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
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To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 5:00 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 1 
Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)



Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Well, some of us had wondered in the past : Is there another untapped
concentration of meteorites waiting to be found outside of NWA and
Antarctica.  Some (including myself) postulated that the Gobi desert
was a possibility.  In recent times, we are seeing more meteorites
coming out of the Gobi.  While these may never surface on the private
market (or at least to the degree that NWA has), it appears the Gobi
meteorites are there and are being recovered in increasing numbers.

There are 43 new approvals - most are OC's from China and the Gobi.
There is also an iron from Brazil and 4 new meteorites from the NWA
DCA, including a lunar.

Link : 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 1 Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Correction:  It would be nice to *hear
jw
On 11/24/2014 8:28 AM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Y'all

It would be nice to here from the NomCom in regards to this for my 
education.


I do not have any issue with each meteorite (fragment/size or other) 
being classified/submitted/approved for several reasons.

I very much appreciate the effort.

Would like to know more about the requests/submissions/ what is 
required/involved for approval of pairing groups, etc.  I know what 
the guidelines say.

Are there existing pairing groups out there?

Have a great day!

Jim Wooddell



On 11/23/2014 5:43 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list wrote:

No,
Apologies to all members of the Nom.Comm who might be reading the Met 
List, but no, they did not find 41 meteorites in the Gobi, they found 
41 Fragments of ONE meteorite.
Just read the descriptions, and they are all identical:  found within 
48 hours, in an area of less than 4 square kilometers, all of them 
L5, S=5 and W=2, almost identical composition. No, 41 fragments of 1 
meteorite.


Sorry, this is a blatant example of a pairing system that is not 
working.

All buying of ... You know the rest.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
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To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 5:00 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 
1 Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)



Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Well, some of us had wondered in the past : Is there another untapped
concentration of meteorites waiting to be found outside of NWA and
Antarctica.  Some (including myself) postulated that the Gobi desert
was a possibility.  In recent times, we are seeing more meteorites
coming out of the Gobi.  While these may never surface on the private
market (or at least to the degree that NWA has), it appears the Gobi
meteorites are there and are being recovered in increasing numbers.

There are 43 new approvals - most are OC's from China and the Gobi.
There is also an iron from Brazil and 4 new meteorites from the NWA
DCA, including a lunar.

Link : 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

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Hello all!

The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue 
that???
 It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission, 
Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake 
in perception.
The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably 
should not take any credit for

anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.

Like Gary said, it's up to the individual.
I don't think anyone is not supportive of outreach, it's just not the
function of the IMCA.

REF: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1Itemid=14


Jim


On 11/22/2014 8:39 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Ray Watts said :

I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the I.M.C.A.

Whoever said that, has no business being in the IMCA or any other
group that claims to be supportive of education and outreach.  Walk
the walk or get the hell out.

My two cents.

Also, agree 110% with what Gary said.

Best regards,

MikeG




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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

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Mike,

Same goes with Sacramento Wash 005.  How many of those have been sold 
where the dealer has no clue!

And they are still being sold as such!  No one freaking cares!

Jim


On 11/23/2014 10:01 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim and List,

Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
shoot the messenger syndrome again.

How exactly does anyone guarantee authenticity in regards to meteorites?

Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
meteorite community :

If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
scientist?

I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites with amino acids

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Hi Rob and all!

Nice list, Rob!  Thanks!

I've had the opportunity to work with several Jblit Winselwan fragments 
while making thin sections of them.  It was obvious someone washed or 
rinsed a couple of the samples I had.  In what, I do not know.
Additionally, once the pieces came apart it was clear with both the none 
washed samples and the washed samples, terrestrial contamination 
occurred at some point in it's life on earth.  All of them I have had 
reminded me of goat turds as to who they were formed and stuck 
togetheror a part of one that had already came apart.   Very 
delicate material, but could be taken apart.


So, I wonder what affect this would have on any amino acid study where 
strict handling protocol of the sample did not occur and what affect 
this would have on a study where terrestrial contamination is obvious.
Would scientist still be able to isolate particles for studying amino 
acids and not be too concerned about contamination???


Have a great day!

Jim Wooddell


On 11/18/2014 8:07 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote:

Amino acids have been found in the following meteorites of which I'm aware:

Murray (CM2)
Murchison (CM2)
Tagish Lake (C2 ungrouped)
Almahata Sitta (anomalous ureilite)
Sutter's Mill (CM2)
Allan Hills 77306 (CM2)
Allan Hills 83100 (CM2)
Asuka 88120 (CM2)
Asuka 881334 (CM2)
Lewis Cliffs 90500 (CM2)
Lone Wolf Nunataks 94102 (CM2)
Yamato 74662 (CM2)
Yamato 791198 (CM2) - most amino-acid-rich meteorite known
Yamato 793321 (CM2)
Belgica 7904 (CM2)
Orgueil (CI1)
Ivuna (CI1)

I am sure there are others that I have missed.  --Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas Fireball on CNN

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Was awful fast.
Jim



On 11/9/2014 3:19 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote:

Unfortunately, nothing on any of the five closest radars to the fall location.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona fireball

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Lots of meteors last night.  It's been going on for a few days now.  It 
appears most of them are slow...3 to 6 seconds.  However, there are some 
that are screaming!

Nice to see the activity!

Jim


On 11/9/2014 6:37 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

Tried to email list, blocked. I saw great fireball about 15 minutes ago. East 
of Tucson and heading east.
Michael Farmer

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[meteorite-list] Description???

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi folks!

If you would be so kind

If you were going to describe the fracture and the stuff in the fracture 
from this picture, What would you write?

I would like to add something about the fracture in the write-up.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/DSCN2080_zps4e342e8e.jpg


Thanks!

Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] Robert Ward, Steve Schoner, and Ted Bunch in the news - possible fall in Arizona

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi all!

Fortunately, the Flagstaff sky cam caught the flight of the meteor.  
Unfortunately, the camera was moved a few months ago and no one involved 
with the calibration files knew that.  So, the process of calibration 
will have to begin again before a proper heading can be determined.  
Close enough is not going to cut it.  This can take weeks to get good 
star profiles for this site.


Jim Wooddell




On 10/7/2014 8:26 AM, Art Jones via Meteorite-list wrote:

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/meteorite-hunter-zeroes-in-on-zone-northeast-of-flagstaff/article_4f587f0a-2901-5be2-bf42-a751447147d7.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Robert Ward, Steve Schoner, and Ted Bunch in the news - possible fall in Arizona

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Linton,

We have a very good method of calibrating these cameras.  For some 
reason, we have  too many experts up there that have actually never 
calibrated calling the shots and saying what is.
There is a team of folks that do this on a regular basis.  We just got 
caught with our pants down due to a camera moving without notification.  
I am gathering info now for the team to recalibrate.
Got it handled but thanks much for the offer.  Please report your 
witnessed event to AMS!


Jim


On 10/7/2014 11:34 AM, Linton Rohr wrote:

Hi Jim.
I'm up in Torrey, Utah, just west of Capitol Reef N.P. and just saw a 
huge fireball at 04:40 am MDT Oct.2. (That would be 03:40 for you, in 
MST, right?) If that fireball appears (it would be pretty low) on the 
Flagstaff camera, I can help with the calibration. The AMS site has a 
witness in Flagstaff and two in Phoenix.

Linton

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Hi all!

Fortunately, the Flagstaff sky cam caught the flight of the meteor. 
Unfortunately, the camera was moved a few months ago and no one 
involved with the calibration files knew that.  So, the process of 
calibration will have to begin again before a proper heading can be 
determined.  Close enough is not going to cut it.  This can take 
weeks to get good star profiles for this site.


Jim Wooddell




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Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

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Darn near perfect size for a 500lb bomb!  Hmmm...

Jim


On 9/9/2014 10:50 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:

Rob and Marco, I agree, sounds very plausible.  However, if you read
what CNN has to say, they've already determined it's from a meteorite
(sheesh!): 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/tech/innovation/nicaragua-meteorite/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Michael in so. Cal.

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Hi Marco:  your hypothesis is far more reasonable than a meteorite-caused 
impact pit.  --Rob

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It is well known that arms caches were hidden in Nicaragua during the fight 
between Sandinista's and Contra's in the 80-ies. In 1993, one of these exploded 
in Managua. Maybe something like that happened again.

Marco
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ice-rafted rocks on dry-lakes

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Hi Bob and all!

When I first got into meteorites, I was shocked people were still 
talking about is as some kind of

magical thing that hadn't been figured out!
I think all this does is re-affirm what many already knew.  I did not 
take it as anything new at all!
I know of the work a few of you did  about a decade ago, but ice rafting 
has been known for decades.
Disappointed that this made it official as it's been official in my 
mind for years and yearsnot to mention a video I posted about a year 
or more ago of ice sheets that were carrying rocks slamming
into the shore in heavy winds.  But whatever.  I would still contend 
wind and water, without the need for ice, can do the same thing.  Anyone 
who has tried to walk across a moist (almost muddy) dry lake knows how 
slippery they become!

The power water and wind has is amazing!

I  get a kick of the giant rock ice-rafting picture!!

http://www.fvalk.com/images/Arctic/1991/Rock%20conveyor.jpg

Jim






On 8/29/2014 10:53 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:

It's now official.  We can stop calling them sailing stones.  New video shows 
that playa rocks are being barged across the lakebed.
Apparently, wind-driven, floating sheets of ice are dragging or pushing the rocks leaving 
their tracks in the wet lakebed sediment.

Photos in the article show tracks of rocks that make tight turns and circle 
back into the direction from which they had come.  This shows that,
in these cases, the rocks are locked into the ice-sheet.
http://images.realclear.com/256104_5_.jpg

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Los Angeles and NWA's

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Hi all!

For clarity,

It is Lake Los Angeles (b)   as there is a Lake Los Angeles.

Kind regards,

Jim


On 8/15/2014 9:00 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:
That is interesting.   I recently purchased a beautiful piece of land 
just outside Lake Los Angeles in Palmdale.  I would not want to live 
in California but the property was too interesting to walk away from 
even though the county taxes are outrageous.  The locals call my 
latest property, The Giza Plateau since it has three Monadnocks 
(Rock Hills) that tower over the valley and resemble pyramids from a 
distance.  I would rather be searching for meteorites than wasting 
time sandblasting off the graffiti some punks covered over petroglyphs 
with on my land.


The coordinates for the latest Lake Los Angeles find are only about 
five minutes away!


Happy Hunting,

Adam



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Lake Los Angeles and 
NWA's




Hi Bulletin Watchers.

There are 15 new approvals.  One is from California and the rest are
OC's from the NWA DCA.

Link : 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


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Re: [meteorite-list] Can someone check this for me?

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That's Geoff Notkin's site.  Club Space Rock.
Jim


On 6/20/2014 7:43 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Listees,

I was looking through my server logs and visitor stats today and found
a URL that sent about a dozen visitors to my site.  I tried visiting
the URL, but it is a member's only forum and I am not a member, so I
cannot see it.  I do not want to bother with registering and then
waiting to be approved, just to check a single URL.  I know some
members of this List are also members of this forum, so I have a small
favor to ask - can someone visit the URL and copy/paste the text on
the page and email it to me?  I am curious what the page/discussion
says.

Link : http://meteorites.ning.com/forum/topics/meteorite-cutting

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Lake Los Angeles

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Thanks Alan and Carl  the NomCom! And, Big Congrats to Steve on this 
very nice find and approval!


Jim


On 5/22/2014 7:09 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

There is one new approval.  It is Lake Los Angeles, an H6 from California.

Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=59605

Best regards and happy huntings,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

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Hi Adam and all,

Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules.

The BLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a ruckus.  The paper 
was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors
to implement or not.  To be clear, they are not rules.  And, the BLM has 
failed to issues claimed permits for

commercial ventures when ask.

If you can show me where these guidelines have become rules and have 
actually been implemented, I'd like to see it.


Jim



On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim and All,

Unless they predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be 
used for commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations 
rendering them without commercial value.  This is even before the new 
laws limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less 
without a commercial permit.  The interesting thing is not a single 
commercial permit has ever been issued despite being applied for.


Sorry for the bad news,

That is why it so important to treat private land owners with the 
utmost respect in order to gain access to unrestricted search areas.


Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

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Hi Adam!

I totally get where you are coming from on this issue and trust me...we 
are on the same side!

Soapbox ON -
I've been directly involved with the NPS and BLM on patrols on Federal 
Waters.   I can safely say I am not going
to have any issues with rangers over this issue.   I won't own what they 
think.  If I do get confronted, it will not bother me much
and odds are if he/she is an ass, they will go away with more of their 
day ruined.  I am not one of the idiots they really have to
worry about.  And have yet talked to a Ranger or BLM supervisor that 
thinks these rules are reasonable or enforceable or
worth their time bothering with.  Sheese, just last week we had a 
fighter jet do a flyby, turn around and go sideways on us checking us

out!

The paper was a guideline.  They have denied issuing permits.

If we keep being sheep, they will continue to herd us!  People have 
become way to passive in regards to these federal agencies.


When someone gets arrested for selling meteorites, I hope the meteorite 
community finally gets off their lazy butt and fight it.
99.9% of us hunters are doing nothing illegal or wrong, we are not 
hurting the environment by any means and some of us do provide
material to science...whether it adds to a better understanding of the 
cosmos or not is moot!  We help provide answers, we are the boots

on the ground.

Beings how my interest is 99.9% hunting and research, they really do not 
have a leg to stand onif they push the
issue, I will push right back equally.  I have no problem getting 
arrested for my beliefs.


So, my bottom line is this;  Their so called rules do not intimidate 
me nor am I going to fear them.  I am one that is sick and tire of 
crappy BLM rules
and management if you can call what some of what they do is management 
(you'd have to be as dumb as a box of rocks thinking

it is management (and that's what they count on)).
They have, as an agency, exploited and ruined more public land because 
of their rules and policies than any other group of people haveever.
On the other hand, I appreciate what a good ranger does and I really do 
not mind them checking up on us in the field.  I fully understand they 
do have to deal
with some real idiots that trash our deserts.  Most of the time they are 
alone and can not monkey around when dealing with people they do not know.

With me, odds are they will go away enlightened and with a meteorite!
- Soapbox OFF

We should get together sometime and hunt, and drag Guy out so he can 
find a meteorite!


Jim




Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting you have engaged in 
over the years that you have not been personally involved with the BLM 
in the field.  Sometimes
you run into a reasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into 
one looking exert their authority.


Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

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 into areasonable agent, but more than likely, you 
will run into one lookingexert their authority.Adam- Original 
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comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hi Adam and all, Just for 
clarification on so called BLM Rules. TheBLM put out a paper a while 
back the stirred up a ruckus.  The paper was a GUIDELINE for area 
supervisors to implement or not.  To beclear, they are not rules.  
And, the BLM has  failed to issues claimedpermits for commercial 
ventures when ask. If you can show me wherethese guidelines have 
become rules and have  actually beenimplemented, I'd like to see 
it. Jim On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
wrote: Hi Jim and All, Unlessthey predate 1972, meteorites found 
on public land cannot be used for commercial purposes according to 
the BLM interpretations rendering  them without commercial value.  
This is even before the new laws  limited meteorite recoveries to 
10 pounds a year or less without a  commercial permit.  The 
interesting thing is not a single commercial  permit has ever been 
issued despite being applied for. Sorry forthe bad news, That 
is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost  
respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

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Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the 
opportunity to touch and see the

Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out 
of the BLM building!

She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to 
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds 
could be raised to retrieve these.

Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make 
it happen by a qualified organization


Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is 
nuts!  I am mean really.


Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim


On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
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Hi Sonny,

I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

Jim



On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hey Adam and list


Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece
has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried
to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be
a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny






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Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with the
BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone with three
different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that
also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This included a magnet on a
stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land.  The only
consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are
not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the
thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From:
wahlpe...@aol.comTo: raremeteori...@centurylink.net;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey
Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over
the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas
BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the
State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences
with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find
some more Easter Eggs this weekend! :  )Sonny-Original Message-
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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject:
Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted
the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into
laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.
I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which
sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which

Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Miller in ICU - Thoughts and Prayers Appreciated

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Ruben,  I would like to meet you up there.  Call me with your plans!

Jim


On 5/21/2014 3:59 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

HI Jim, and all who've asked.

I talked to several people that have seen Mike today and they tell me
his condition is improving - but he will remian in ICU for a while
longer.  When I called the hospital they couldn't tell me much. I do
know that he's breathing without the aid of a ventilator and that he's
talking, but not much I keep saying that's always how he is  ;)

Anyway, I'm coming up to see him again on Saturday so I'll have a
better idea and can relay that to the meteorite community as soon I
see for myself.



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Ruben!

Any update on Mike?
Jim

On 5/20/2014 8:57 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Thanks for posting on FB... Mike will appreciate it.   Hope thinks are
good with you and Wendy

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Ruben!

Good news he is getting better.  Thanks for posting.  I've been
forwarding
to FaceBook as some folks can not see this.
Please keep the good news coming!  Hope all is well with you and your
family.
First think I thought of was he cut into something bad in a
meteorite.you can never know.

All good here, just returned from Yelland Dry Lake and Tule Valley Dry
Lake
in UTAH.

Jim




On 5/19/2014 9:29 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone that sent Mike an email message.

In response to questions about Mikes illness:

The doctors have treated Mike for pneumonia, and valley fever, but
they're thinking now that the cause may be meteorite related.

Mike has been cutting, sanding, etching, opticon-ing and lacquering
meteorites for nearly a decade without using any type of mask. Even If
not THE cause I doubt seriously it's helped the situation.

Update: Just talked to Melissa (Mike's daughter) and she said Mike has
responded somewhat favorably to the treatment. Just this afternoon he
began breathing on his own and so they removed the ventilator. While
still heavily sedated and in ICU he is trying to speak and moving
enough that they thought he was trying to break the restaints placed
on his arms and legs.

It's looking better...

Keep Praying!

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:42 PM, John Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote:

Thanks Ruben for the information, please keep us informed on Mike

Cheers
John

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Hi all,

I stopped by to see our friend Mike Miller today at the hospital
(KRMC) in Kingman, AZ.

He's completely sedated and on a breathing machine. I was told that
he's been in ICU for a few days and that doctors are somewhat baffled
as to what has happened. Something is causing fluid build up in his
lungs that is making it impossible for him to breathe unassisted. He
entered the hospital on Wednesday evening due to pains in his chest
and back but within hours had to be put on a ventilator to breathe.

Mikes daughters (Ashley, and Melissa) work for him and will be
checking his email. If you'd like to wish Mike well I'm sure he'd
appreciate it. Here is his email.  meteoritefin...@gmail.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Yep  100% agree.  I'd go a step further and say data 
analysis/classification/curation of ALL meteoriteseven the little 
bitty ones.


I got to tell you it's tough...very toughbeing a hunter...wanting to 
do the right thing getting finds classified and in curation.  Especially 
when I am retired and seek no profit

from any of this.

BTW, do you have an area for USA meteorites set up for displaying them?  
I'll send you anything I have if you dono strings... other than I'd 
like to see them displayed.

ASU doesn't even have an Arizona displaydrives me freaking nuts!

Jim

On 5/21/2014 4:07 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim,

Just between you and me -- and everyone else on the internet -- I wish
NASA would spend a tiny fraction of their ~$19B annual budget on the
recovery, classification, curation, and data analysis on
scientifically valuable meteorites originating outside of Antarctica.
They spend piles of money on JPL's remote sensing probes and archiving
the data from missions but somehow the non-Antarctic samples in our
labs and university museums are not as special to them -- and as far
as I know they are from the same solar system :) :)

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Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out of
the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to go
get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds could
be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make it
happen by a qualified organization

Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is nuts!
I am mean really.

Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim



On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

Carl Agee
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
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Hi Sonny,

I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

Jim



On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hey Adam and list


Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
piece
has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have
tried
to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would
be
a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny






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Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with
the
BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone with
three
different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area
that
also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This included a magnet on a
stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land.  The only
consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land
are
not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me,
the
thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From:
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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent

[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

I am curious as to what the consensus is on the prices of Dry Lake 
Meteorite finds are worth on the market.  I am not talking about little 
bitty finds in the under 5 gram range, I am talking

finds that weigh at least 20 grams up to 1kg.

I am really interested in current and past prices of the following 
places within known DCA's in particular:


Coyote Dry Lake

Stewart Valley Dry Lake

Yelland Dry Lake

Tule Valley Dry Lake

Jim

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[meteorite-list] Stolen meteorites

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!
Message from Dr. Melinda Hutson from FB.

Sad news. Dick Pugh, a member of our lab (CML) shown with Brahin below, 
had a small teaching collection of meteorites stolen from his pickup 
truck. Unfortunately there are no photographs of the samples, which 
include 2 small Canyon Diablometeorites and 8 unclassified NWA stones 
(all 10 were in a small gun case). Three young men tried to sell them at 
a local gem shop, and asked if they were real meteorites. I suspect that 
if they put them on e-bay, they'll just offer them as meteorites (as 
they don't know enough to put CD or NWA). Please keep an eye out for a 
lot of 10 (2 irons 8 stones) being sold by people who seem unsure of 
what they are selling.


Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

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it

is a find.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote:


An unobserved fall is, well, a fall that was not observed,
in contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The
terminology of the Meteoritical Bulletin Database is Observed fall: no.

The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell
but

that

the fall was not observed.

In general, the questions about falling and finding are:

1) was the fall observed?
2) if so, when was it observed?
3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell?
4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it
actually found?

Paul Swartz
MPOD webmaster


What is an unobserved fall? Every meteorite fell at some
point. I have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection.
Michael Farmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] What to do when a shipment paid with Paypal never arrives

[Jim Wooddell]

Here ya go, Bob...

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/popup/UAeBay-outside

Jim


On 4/19/2014 6:31 PM, Bob King wrote:

Hi everyone,
Maybe you can help with a suggestion. If a specimen paid with Paypal
doesn't arrive through no fault of the seller, is there a way to get
one's money back via Paypal? It appears to be a foreign post issue. I
checked the resolution center info and there's nothing about this
situation there.
Thanks for your help.
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[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse composite

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Hi all, I created a composite picture from 8 hours of video from the 
Sentinel Skycam here in Parker, AZ.

It starts at 0300 ut.
It's a 'different' way to look at the eclipse!

http://pages.suddenlink.net/taenite/lunerE15.png

Enjoy!

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Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE Meteor Sighting in Cottonwood AZ - Stats from fall

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Mike!

Any post that gets folks in a frenzy.  However, this was response to Ruben.

Jim


On 4/13/2014 6:45 PM, Mike Miller wrote:

Hey Jim just curious are you referring to my post here?
When I hear about possible rocks on the ground without basis, it bugs 
me.  It reminds me of the calling wolf syndrome.



On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Jim Wooddell 
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Hi Ruben,

I think Whetstone had far greater evidence of there being stones
on the ground if I remember correctly.
Didn't Jack find one very shortly after the fall?  There were
multiple camera captures, sonics and witnesses, both visual and
audible.

The sonics I refer to do include human witnesses but I tend to
look for the sonic station reports if there are any.
We certainly could use more sonic stations and that is used to
back up and confirm the video records of the events.

When I hear about possible rocks on the ground without basis, it
bugs me.  It reminds me of the calling wolf syndrome.
 I just do not like seeing people going on wild goose chases but I
suppose if that floats their boat that's fine and not my concern.
But when I am working an event  I wont lead someone to think there
is possibly something on the ground when I can't back that up.
In the next day or so, the gurus will likely have a good idea on
the trajectory of this meteor.  There is a lot to consider.
I like the idea of work smarter, not harder!

So we still have the Tucson eventmultiple camera captures,
sonics and lots of witnesses.  There ought to be 100 hunters out
there looking.
Nothing found to date.

Jim


On 4/13/2014 4:06 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Hi all,

Jim it's pretty much the same with any meteor event. The truth is
unless we have good Doppler information or someone personally
witnessed a meteorite strike a house or a car, or there is a stone
found - there's not much reason to waste time looking.

Most people (me included) thought the Whetstone Mountains
meteor event
was not worth looking for - It took me over a month to even
start the
hunt. I wish I'd have started sooner.

Also, the lack of Sonic reports may be due to the fact that it
landed
where no one lives and not that it didn't produce a sonic boom.

I've been doing this a long time and I think the bottom line
is this:
If someone finds a meteorite, just one that went though a roof
- most
hunters would go try to find more - me included.


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Jim Wooddell
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Hi Shawn,  This is a fairly normal event.  Nothing much to
get excited
about.  The calculation is an error.If the 40.8km is
the burn out I
doubt anyone will waste much time on this one.
No sonic reports to speak of and that is also not a good
sign. The UT is
questionable too!

Jim






On 4/13/2014 12:57 PM, shawna...@meteoritefalls.com
mailto:shawna...@meteoritefalls.com wrote:

Hello Listers

I found some info on the fall and here is some stats...

vel 667.2 km/s beg 135.8 km end 40.8 km

Now could a meteorite come from the Vel speed? I mean
thats really fast
667.2km, or that could be a mistake, which I think it
is? With the
meteor ending at 40km there is a possibility there
could be some stones
on the ground. And after looking at the video I could
see the meteor for
around 4 seconds and at the end the meteor got brighter.

more stats below...

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
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time 20140413 3.0738 hours
lat  32 26 22.632 =  32.4396 deg
lon 253 16 38.856 = 253.2775 deg
 ht 40.775 b -1.38207 7.62031 -17.37020 -7.68054
 alp 300.962 +/-  0.462 deg
 del  70.037 +/-  0.310 deg
   v_inf 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
   v_avg 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
 a  -0.002 +/-
 0.006 AU
   e 493.776 +/- 1444.978
incl  85.761 +/-  3.793 deg
   omega 168.225 +/-  0.185 deg
asc_node  22.922 +/-  0.000 deg
 v_g 667.102

Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE Meteor Sighting in Cottonwood AZ - Stats from fall

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Chris,

Yes, and that's what we do!

Jim


On 4/14/2014 8:18 AM, Chris Peterson wrote:
Ground level sonics are a very good indicator that meteorites were 
produced. However, the absence of sonics doesn't argue against 
meteorites at all.


In all likelihood, the majority of meteorite falls are not preceded 
with either a significant fireball nor any acoustics. We are subject 
to a very strong observation bias because those tend to be the only 
sort of events where we can actually correlate meteors to meteorites. 
And of course, such meteorites represent only a tiny fraction of the 
total.


Regardless of any other factors, fireballs that display either a 
massive terminal explosion or multiple fragmentation events along 
their paths warrant close examination as potential meteorite producers.


Chris

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On 4/13/2014 4:47 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

Hi Shawn,  This is a fairly normal event. Nothing much to get excited
about.  The calculation is an error.If the 40.8km is the burn out I
doubt anyone will waste much time on this one.
No sonic reports to speak of and that is also not a good sign. The UT is
questionable too!

Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] Maximum theoretical Earth impact velocity

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On 4/13/2014 1:57 PM, shawna...@meteoritefalls.com wrote:

Hello Listers

I found some info on the fall and here is some stats...

vel 667.2 km/s beg 135.8 km end 40.8 km

Now could a meteorite come from the Vel speed? I mean thats really
fast 667.2km, or that could be a mistake, which I think it is? With
the meteor ending at 40km there is a possibility there could be some
stones on the ground. And after looking at the video I could see the
meteor for around 4 seconds and at the end the meteor got brighter.

more stats below...

Shawn Alan
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time 20140413 3.0738 hours
   lat  32 26 22.632 =  32.4396 deg
   lon 253 16 38.856 = 253.2775 deg
ht 40.775 b -1.38207 7.62031 -17.37020 -7.68054
alp 300.962 +/-  0.462 deg
del  70.037 +/-  0.310 deg
  v_inf 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
  v_avg 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s

  a  -0.002 +/-  0.006 AU
  e 493.776 +/- 1444.978
   incl  85.761 +/-  3.793 deg
  omega 168.225 +/-  0.185 deg
   asc_node  22.922 +/-  0.000 deg
v_g 667.102 +/- 977.428 km/s
v_h 668.691 +/- 976.474 km/s
alp_geo 301.065 +/-  0.482 deg
del_geo  70.004 +/-  0.311 deg
  q_per   0.982 +/-  0.001 AU
  q_aph  -0.986 +/-  0.011 AU
 lambda  30.964 +/-  1.513 deg
   beta  78.151 +/-  0.165 deg
  true anom  11.775 +/-  0.165 deg

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Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE Meteor Sighting in Cottonwood AZ

[Jim Wooddell]

Not that big of an event!

Jim

On 4/12/2014 10:10 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

No video yet, but the 10:00 NEWS opened the show with about 7 minutes
of talk and interviews of this fireball. Initial reports said it
landed 75-80 miles north of Las Cruces, NM

Stay tuned, I'll bet someone posts a video soon.

On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Ruben Garcia
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Hi all,

Here's the first bits of NEWS that may turn into something big.
Channel 12 NEWS in Phoenix is reporting this on their Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/12news

Lets watch and see what comes from it!


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Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE Meteor Sighting in Cottonwood AZ - Stats from fall

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Hi Shawn,  This is a fairly normal event.  Nothing much to get excited 
about.  The calculation is an error.If the 40.8km is the burn out I 
doubt anyone will waste much time on this one.
No sonic reports to speak of and that is also not a good sign. The UT is 
questionable too!


Jim





On 4/13/2014 12:57 PM, shawna...@meteoritefalls.com wrote:

Hello Listers

I found some info on the fall and here is some stats...

vel 667.2 km/s beg 135.8 km end 40.8 km

Now could a meteorite come from the Vel speed? I mean thats really fast
667.2km, or that could be a mistake, which I think it is? With the
meteor ending at 40km there is a possibility there could be some stones
on the ground. And after looking at the video I could see the meteor for
around 4 seconds and at the end the meteor got brighter.

more stats below...

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
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time 20140413 3.0738 hours
   lat  32 26 22.632 =  32.4396 deg
   lon 253 16 38.856 = 253.2775 deg
ht 40.775 b -1.38207 7.62031 -17.37020 -7.68054
alp 300.962 +/-  0.462 deg
del  70.037 +/-  0.310 deg
  v_inf 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
  v_avg 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
  
  a  -0.002 +/-  0.006 AU

  e 493.776 +/- 1444.978
   incl  85.761 +/-  3.793 deg
  omega 168.225 +/-  0.185 deg
   asc_node  22.922 +/-  0.000 deg
v_g 667.102 +/- 977.428 km/s
v_h 668.691 +/- 976.474 km/s
alp_geo 301.065 +/-  0.482 deg
del_geo  70.004 +/-  0.311 deg
  q_per   0.982 +/-  0.001 AU
  q_aph  -0.986 +/-  0.011 AU
 lambda  30.964 +/-  1.513 deg
   beta  78.151 +/-  0.165 deg
  true anom  11.775 +/-  0.165 deg

T_j   hyp

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Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE Meteor Sighting in Cottonwood AZ - Stats from fall

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Ruben,

I think Whetstone had far greater evidence of there being stones on the 
ground if I remember correctly.
Didn't Jack find one very shortly after the fall?  There were multiple 
camera captures, sonics and witnesses, both visual and audible.


The sonics I refer to do include human witnesses but I tend to look for 
the sonic station reports if there are any.
We certainly could use more sonic stations and that is used to back up 
and confirm the video records of the events.


When I hear about possible rocks on the ground without basis, it bugs 
me.  It reminds me of the calling wolf syndrome.
 I just do not like seeing people going on wild goose chases but I 
suppose if that floats their boat that's fine and not my concern.
But when I am working an event  I wont lead someone to think there is 
possibly something on the ground when I can't back that up.
In the next day or so, the gurus will likely have a good idea on the 
trajectory of this meteor.  There is a lot to consider.

I like the idea of work smarter, not harder!

So we still have the Tucson eventmultiple camera captures, sonics 
and lots of witnesses.  There ought to be 100 hunters out there looking.

Nothing found to date.

Jim

On 4/13/2014 4:06 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Hi all,

Jim it's pretty much the same with any meteor event. The truth is
unless we have good Doppler information or someone personally
witnessed a meteorite strike a house or a car, or there is a stone
found - there's not much reason to waste time looking.

Most people (me included) thought the Whetstone Mountains meteor event
was not worth looking for - It took me over a month to even start the
hunt. I wish I'd have started sooner.

Also, the lack of Sonic reports may be due to the fact that it landed
where no one lives and not that it didn't produce a sonic boom.

I've been doing this a long time and I think the bottom line is this:
If someone finds a meteorite, just one that went though a roof - most
hunters would go try to find more - me included.


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Shawn,  This is a fairly normal event.  Nothing much to get excited
about.  The calculation is an error.If the 40.8km is the burn out I
doubt anyone will waste much time on this one.
No sonic reports to speak of and that is also not a good sign. The UT is
questionable too!

Jim






On 4/13/2014 12:57 PM, shawna...@meteoritefalls.com wrote:

Hello Listers

I found some info on the fall and here is some stats...

vel 667.2 km/s beg 135.8 km end 40.8 km

Now could a meteorite come from the Vel speed? I mean thats really fast
667.2km, or that could be a mistake, which I think it is? With the
meteor ending at 40km there is a possibility there could be some stones
on the ground. And after looking at the video I could see the meteor for
around 4 seconds and at the end the meteor got brighter.

more stats below...

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
Meteoritefalls.com


time 20140413 3.0738 hours
lat  32 26 22.632 =  32.4396 deg
lon 253 16 38.856 = 253.2775 deg
 ht 40.775 b -1.38207 7.62031 -17.37020 -7.68054
 alp 300.962 +/-  0.462 deg
 del  70.037 +/-  0.310 deg
   v_inf 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
   v_avg 667.240 +/- 977.292 km/s
 a  -0.002 +/-  0.006 AU
   e 493.776 +/- 1444.978
incl  85.761 +/-  3.793 deg
   omega 168.225 +/-  0.185 deg
asc_node  22.922 +/-  0.000 deg
 v_g 667.102 +/- 977.428 km/s
 v_h 668.691 +/- 976.474 km/s
 alp_geo 301.065 +/-  0.482 deg
 del_geo  70.004 +/-  0.311 deg
   q_per   0.982 +/-  0.001 AU
   q_aph  -0.986 +/-  0.011 AU
  lambda  30.964 +/-  1.513 deg
beta  78.151 +/-  0.165 deg
   true anom  11.775 +/-  0.165 deg

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Re: [meteorite-list] petrological type

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Alan and all,


Is not the description/s  part of the classification so that the 
researcher can better describe what is found
without having to baffle over a number or preset definition that 
might...kind of...come close to what is found??


Jim

On 4/12/2014 10:01 AM, Alan Rubin wrote:

Since Van Schmus and Wood (1967), the group/petrologic type designation has
been entrenched (i.e., LL3.0, H4, L6), that it would be impossible to purge.
So, calling Semarkona LL T3 just won't work -- no one would adopt it as a
new convention.  If we wanted to call Semarkona LL3.00 A2.8, that might be

okay, but you would have to convince people first that a two-tier system is
needed. It is probably best to exclude weathering and shock stage since we

cannot designate every property in a classification (e.g., average olivine

Fa content, cosmic-ray exposure age, oxygen-isotopic composition, chondrule
size, etc.).  A problem of course is that it may be difficult to disentangle
thermal metamorphism from aqueous alteration, leaving a researcher baffled

as to what to designate a particular rock.  It would be better to leave out
a classificatory parameter and to just guess and have the rock
misclassified.

Alan Rubin
Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics
University of California
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603 Charles Young Dr. E
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1567

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ferric Chloride

[Jim Wooddell]

Francesco,

You use it alone...

My best tips. 1.  Google and read read read.  2.  The best polish 
gets the best etch.


Jim



On 4/11/2014 8:28 AM, Francesco Moser wrote:

Hello!
I just bought a liter of ferric chloride solution for electronic purposes.
I want to try it for etching meteorites ... some tips?

I have to use it alone or before/after standard etching with nital?
Thanks


Ciao

x
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

[Jim Wooddell]

What I find interesting are the comments made on such things at 
trajectory of the object.  As the camera is falling, it is not falling 
vertically.  It is falling at a rate of about 1000 ft per second and 
gliding too.  Because the camera was mounted on the helmet, it's view is 
whatever way the guy was facing.
So, if you take an object, like a baseball and hang it from a string 30 
feet in the air and then step back 40' and take a picture of it while 
standing on a 10 foot ladder, it's going to look small.
Then if you take the ladder move it 10 feet closer to the ball and lower 
the ball from 30 feet to 25 feet and then climb the ladder but take the 
picture at 3/4 the height of the first picture, you will see the ball is 
bigger and the angle will be different making it look like it is moving 
on some arc or curve (in a composite of the two pictures), when all it 
did was drop vertically.  You keep doing that and pretty soon you and 
the ball will meet and the ball will look bigger than it actually is.  
So the ball, with a perfectly vertical decent, will not appear to have a 
vertical decent.  One can actually just draw this out with a pencil and 
paper without the need for a camera!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

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Correction  *falling at a rate of about 1000'/min...
On 4/10/2014 4:38 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
What I find interesting are the comments made on such things at 
trajectory of the object.  As the camera is falling, it is not falling 
vertically.  It is falling at a rate of about 1000 ft per second and 
gliding too.  Because the camera was mounted on the helmet, it's view 
is whatever way the guy was facing.
So, if you take an object, like a baseball and hang it from a string 
30 feet in the air and then step back 40' and take a picture of it 
while standing on a 10 foot ladder, it's going to look small.
Then if you take the ladder move it 10 feet closer to the ball and 
lower the ball from 30 feet to 25 feet and then climb the ladder but 
take the picture at 3/4 the height of the first picture, you will see 
the ball is bigger and the angle will be different making it look like 
it is moving on some arc or curve (in a composite of the two 
pictures), when all it did was drop vertically.  You keep doing that 
and pretty soon you and the ball will meet and the ball will look 
bigger than it actually is.  So the ball, with a perfectly vertical 
decent, will not appear to have a vertical decent.  One can actually 
just draw this out with a pencil and paper without the need for a camera!


Jim




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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

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Can you imagine what that meteorite would be worth if all this was 
real!  It would certainly go down in the history books.


BTW, how come NASA has to debunk it?   When did they become WASA???

Jim



On 4/10/2014 11:17 AM, Shawn Alan wrote:

All I have to say is if you collect meteorite wrongs, if someone can find the 
pebble that was in the video,
you will have a cool meteorite wrong to add to your collection.
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

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Did you read that somewhere?

Jim

On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock 
from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

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I've said all along it was something other than a meteoroid.  I would 
have thought one of these
math/engineering gurus would have published something about it but 
nothing.  I have yet see an article that I feel is credible on the subject.


Jim


On 4/9/2014 3:11 PM, Art Jones wrote:

Here's a couple articles:

http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html

-Art

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Did you read that somewhere?

Jim

On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock 
from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

[Jim Wooddell]

Based on what?

Jim


On 4/9/2014 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson wrote:

snip

The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. snip
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

[Jim Wooddell]

I think it has been debunked...but those that debunked it are not coming 
out publicly and saying anything.


So, if anything is possible, that shinning light on MARS is the Chinese 
rover everyone thought landed on the moon!



Jim



On 4/9/2014 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote:

Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not
believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the
list about it?

Michael in so. Cal.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:

So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock 
from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock

[Jim Wooddell]

Lol!

Throw a grant at it and have it due in 5 days and it will be solved!  
How science works!


Jim


On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Chris Peterson wrote:

The hypothesis has not been debunked by NASA.

I hardly think the parachutists are making things up. I just think 
they're a bit confused about how science works.


Chris

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On 4/9/2014 4:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did 
debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. 
I guess they are making that up too:)


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Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Ruben,

We call other planetary ejecta meteorites, so

Jim



On 4/7/2014 10:25 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Interesting question.

It's probably not a meteorite if you define a meteorite as a solid
piece of debris, from such sources as asteroids or comets, that
originates in outer space and survives its impact with the Earth's
surface.

However, maybe it's a terrestrial meteorite. I guess man made space
junk may fall into the same category since some of that can have
fusion crust and flow lines.



On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Chris volke...@hotmail.com wrote:

Suppose a fusion crusted stone is found shortly after a fireball.  When 
examined it shows a celestial age of a few million years and a relatively short 
formation age.  More examination shows it to be a stone formed on earth, 
ejected into space and returned here.  Is it meteorite or a meteorwrong.  Or 
something in between?
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Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

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So, let's say there is one.a chunk of hematite.

What tests could be performed to 1.  Prove it was in Space.  2. 
Originally from Earth.  ???

Radionuclide?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian skydiver nearly struck by meteorite (Now : Korea Fall)

[Jim Wooddell]

Yeah...he is romping around FaceBook. Still Kicking, no ticks!

Jim

On 4/6/2014 9:33 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

Good question.  I heard he was in Korea, but not much since then.
Have any stones hit the market yet?  Is the official classification
underway?

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG





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Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian skydiver nearly struck by meteorite

[Jim Wooddell]

Some math wiz is going to prove thisI kind of have a feeling..

My voteNot a meteor.

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Re: [meteorite-list] who is Proud Tom????

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Anne and all!

I am not questioning who is who here but you are technically very 
incorrect about the IP addresses being unique to each and every 
computer.  Fact is they are not.   In most cases, the best you can do is 
know the ISP that serves someone.  For example, my assigned IP address 
is not the IP address of my computer and I can change my assigned IP 
address with a few key strokes.  It can also change due to network 
requirements without the client knowing it's changed unless they look 
and it also my have a timeout period where it is forced to change 
(DHCP).   If the client has a static IP address then it's likely the 
best you can do is see the router...if it's a business and a network, 
there could be hundreds of computers behind an IP address.  You can not 
see my IP address and it's a static address.


The only 'unique' number is a MAC address for network interfaces. And 
they can be masked too!


Again, I am not concerned with who is who in my post, just the technical 
error of your understanding of the IP addresses.


Jim







On 3/29/2014 8:28 PM, Anne Black wrote:

OK, so I'll spell it out to all of you:,

Proud Tom is Bob Evans and Bob Evans is Proud Tom.

How do I know? The IP address of his computer says so. An IP address 
is a unique number assigned to each and every computer. Strangely, 
Proud Tom and Bob Evans's computer(s) have the same IP address that 
traces back to Romeoville, Illinois, where Bob Evans resides.


And we all know Bob Evans.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; Meteorite List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who is Proud Tom


So, WHO IS PROUD TOM???

On 3/29/14 5:21 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:


...What I do know now, is that this seller and
Proud Tom are one and the

same.
.. Proud Tom sells fakes, among other

misdeeds.





Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original

Message-

From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Anne Black

impact...@aol.com; meteorite-list


meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:13

pm

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Now I know...


Anne,

I

spotted the fake on eBay and alerted everyone on FB. Through a team


effort,
the seller removed the listing and said that they would, send it off



for
analysis.

Fortunately, no one bought this stone. Frustrating none the

less ...


Not sure what you are referring to regarding the wrong email, but at



least we
stopped this from becoming a big issue, though one that will likely

not

go away.


Mendy Ouzillou





From:
Anne Black impact...@aol.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent:
Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:05 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Now I
know...



I always thought this would happen
someday...

All it takes is one email, an email sent to the wrong
person, meaning:
to a person who knows how to use an IP address, that unique
number
assigned to each and every computer, to trace that email back to
the
sender, and discover that the sender lives in Romeoville,
Illinois.

Just like that seller on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-2995-Paired-LUNAR-METEORITE-LARGE-5-611-GRAM


-M

OON-ROCK-/251480829095?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123





You want to know
more about that seller, go to the Archives of the
MetList,
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/  and do a search, you
could start
with Zulu Queen or McCartney Taylor.

Enjoy.

Anne M.
Black
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impact...@aol.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] who is Proud Tom????

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi John,

That is what I said they can be masked (not changed) and I know how!! ;)

However, excluding hacked stuff, you can see your unique MAC address on 
just about any device you own that is network capable and they are 
imbedded into the device...not something the network, nor a typical 
person could possibly change!


Jim



On 3/30/2014 6:34 AM, bigjohns...@yahoo.com wrote:


Jim and all,
Hope you are well.
MAC addresses are not even static. They can be changed if you have 
know how. I've had a friend do it before after my computer got banned 
from a university network accidentally. Long story.
If we can find someone who knew that they bought from this guy before, 
we might be able to get a return address from the purchase or maybe a 
name.

Cheers,
John A. Shea
IMCA 3295



*From: * Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net;
*To: * meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
*Subject: * Re: [meteorite-list] who is Proud Tom
*Sent: * Sun, Mar 30, 2014 12:34:38 PM

Hi Anne and all!

I am not questioning who is who here but you are technically very
incorrect about the IP addresses being unique to each and every
computer.  Fact is they are not.  In most cases, the best you can do is
know the ISP that serves someone.  For example, my assigned IP address
is not the IP address of my computer and I can change my assigned IP
address with a few key strokes.  It can also change due to network
requirements without the client knowing it's changed unless they look
and it also my have a timeout period where it is forced to change
(DHCP).  If the client has a static IP address then it's likely the
best you can do is see the router...if it's a business and a network,
there could be hundreds of computers behind an IP address.  You can not
see my IP address and it's a static address.

The only 'unique' number is a MAC address for network interfaces. And
they can be masked too!

Again, I am not concerned with who is who in my post, just the technical
error of your understanding of the IP addresses.

Jim







On 3/29/2014 8:28 PM, Anne Black wrote:
 OK, so I'll spell it out to all of you:,

 Proud Tom is Bob Evans and Bob Evans is Proud Tom.

 How do I know? The IP address of his computer says so. An IP address
 is a unique number assigned to each and every computer. Strangely,
 Proud Tom and Bob Evans's computer(s) have the same IP address that
 traces back to Romeoville, Illinois, where Bob Evans resides.

 And we all know Bob Evans.


 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com javascript:return


 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net javascript:return
 To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com javascript:return; 
Meteorite List

 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com javascript:return
 Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 9:10 pm
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who is Proud Tom


 So, WHO IS PROUD TOM???

 On 3/29/14 5:21 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com 
javascript:return wrote:


 ...What I do know now, is that this seller and
 Proud Tom are one and the
 same.
 .. Proud Tom sells fakes, among other
 misdeeds.




 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com javascript:return


 -Original
 Message-
 From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com javascript:return
 To: Anne Black
 impact...@aol.com javascript:return; meteorite-list

 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com javascript:return
 Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:13
 pm
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Now I know...


 Anne,

 I
 spotted the fake on eBay and alerted everyone on FB. Through a team

 effort,
 the seller removed the listing and said that they would, send it off

 for
 analysis.

 Fortunately, no one bought this stone. Frustrating none the
 less ...

 Not sure what you are referring to regarding the wrong email, but at

 least we
 stopped this from becoming a big issue, though one that will likely
 not
 go away.


 Mendy Ouzillou



 
 From:
 Anne Black impact...@aol.com javascript:return
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com javascript:return
 Sent:
 Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:05 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Now I
 know...



 I always thought this would happen
 someday...

 All it takes is one email, an email sent to the wrong
 person, meaning:
 to a person who knows how to use an IP address, that unique
 number
 assigned to each and every computer, to trace that email back to
 the
 sender, and discover that the sender lives in Romeoville,
 Illinois.

 Just like that seller on Ebay:

 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-2995-Paired-LUNAR-METEORITE-LARGE-5-611-GRAM


 -M
 OON-ROCK-/251480829095?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123



 You want to know
 more about that seller, go to the Archives of the
 MetList,
 http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ 
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/%20 and do a search, you

 could start
 with Zulu Queen or McCartney Taylor.

 Enjoy

[meteorite-list] Eldorado Valley DCA???

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

Have I missed this or is it a new DCA?Does anyone know what date it 
was created?


Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ontario Fall Area Calculation 18MAR2014 Event

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Hi Dirk!

Interesting.  I looked and figured nothing survived.

I do not see anything real impressive on the sky cams, although a 
solution is obviously going to be there from that group of cameras which 
I will assume are dialed in with calibrated data files.
The 1 camera where the event occurred almost overhead does not indicate 
to me anything majorily impressive.  While it is a beautiful 
capturethey all are if it's overhead.

I have read that sonic stations do not have much of anything.
I have read that radar is pretty much not there.
So the main break up was about 65km and went dark at about 35km?

Do you have any other data to support survival?

Enjoying watching the frenzy and folks getting all hyped up! I bet 
nothing will be found the other day and I backed that bet up in that if 
I am wrong, I will gladly eat 1/2 gallon of ice cream!

Of course, I truly hope I am wrong!

Best!

Jim


On 3/21/2014 10:27 PM, drtanuki wrote:

List,
   I have now posted my calculation result for the Ontario meteorite fall of 
18MAR-
  estimated survived weight of up to 10 Kg. Least likely survived at 1KG.  
Largest stone guess 300-500 gr.

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/03/breaking-news-ont-oh-meteor-18mar2014.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ontario Fall Area Calculation 18MAR2014 Event

[Jim Wooddell]

So who is on the ground hunting!

Now I am hearing there is radar.  Fun watching it develop4 days and 
counting!


If there are indeed sonics and radar, then yes something should be found!

Jim


On 3/22/2014 3:22 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:
Keeping it fun I'm gonna side with Darryl on this one, Team PB  Phil 
have an uncanny ability to motivate, educate, canvass and generally 
get the job done.  When I saw the Western PR yesterday I thought to 
myself just a matter of time now.


Rocky Road works fine.

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Event




Hi,

I'm gonna bet large on Peter, Phil and the crew at University of 
Western Ontario to come up with something


One gallonRocky Road.   ;-)





On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:


Hi Dirk!

Interesting.  I looked and figured nothing survived.

I do not see anything real impressive on the sky cams, although a 
solution is obviously going to be there from that group of cameras 
which I will assume are dialed in with calibrated data files.
The 1 camera where the event occurred almost overhead does not 
indicate to me anything majorily impressive.  While it is a 
beautiful capturethey all are if it's overhead.

I have read that sonic stations do not have much of anything.
I have read that radar is pretty much not there.
So the main break up was about 65km and went dark at about 35km?

Do you have any other data to support survival?

Enjoying watching the frenzy and folks getting all hyped up! I bet 
nothing will be found the other day and I backed that bet up in that 
if I am wrong, I will gladly eat 1/2 gallon of ice cream!

Of course, I truly hope I am wrong!

Best!

Jim


On 3/21/2014 10:27 PM, drtanuki wrote:

List,
  I have now posted my calculation result for the Ontario meteorite 
fall of 18MAR-
 estimated survived weight of up to 10 Kg. Least likely survived at 
1KG. Largest stone guess 300-500 gr.


http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/03/breaking-news-ont-oh-meteor-18mar2014.html 




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Re: [meteorite-list] Holding meteorites for pictures

[Jim Wooddell]

Imagine what you could do with a 3d printer!

Jim


On 3/19/2014 5:52 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

You mean like this?
http://www.mrmeteorite.com/tinychely.htm

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Floyd Griffith griffst...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello and good day from sunny Parker, Colorado, USA

I was looking at the ebay listing of one of the list members that I know and I 
had a thought.
That alone is scary. Anyway, the meteorite sample that was for sale was 
pictured.
What I noticed was how well I could see the finger prints, when he was holding 
the sample.
I went through his listings and determined that if I wanted to, I could obtain 
a full set if his fingerprints.
This I thought was concerning enough to bring to all on the list.
If one was inclined to fake the Identification of someone, it would be nice to 
have a set of fingerprints.
Easy to prevent, wear gloves.

Best to all,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Detection and rapid recovery of the Sutter's Mill meteorite fall as a model for future recoveries worldwide

[Jim Wooddell]

Hello Shawn and all!

After reading this paper, I pulled some data to share as it was not 
mentioned in the paper.


I just pulled some info I personally work with.
Just in the SouthWest with just 4 of the stable Allsky Cameras 
(Flagstaff, Parker, Riverside, Yucca Valley)
logged 34,560 hours of allsky video surveillance in the last year and 
have been actively involved in the research of
every possible fall in the Southwest since turn up as well as other 
research I will not mention here.


It is without any doubt the most consistent data set there is as well as 
the most reliable set we have.


With the help of Rob Matson and Pat Branch, we can very much point to a 
fall location (if there is a fall) good enough

to put boots on the ground.

I am amazed!  Our Government and NASA does not feel the need fund 
this.and it's very much a drop in the bucket.


Secondly, I am amazed  (and miffed) that the Allsky cams, at the front 
of the line for research, were not mentioned in this
article.   These should be and ARE part of any future model of meteorite 
recovery.  If not, then there are a lot of guys and gals across
this country spinning their wheels, wasting countless hours and money, 
making them work!


Cheers!

Jim




On 3/18/2014 7:21 PM, Shawn Alan wrote:

Came across this abstract on Sutter's Mill meteorite fall

For those of you that get MAPS you can read the whole article at that provided 
link :)

Enjoy.
  
  
Shawn Alan

IMCA 1633
ebay store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
http://meteoritefalls.com/
   
  
Detection and rapid recovery of the Sutter's Mill meteorite fall as a model for future recoveries worldwide
  
  
Abstract

The Sutter's Mill C-type meteorite fall occurred on 22 April 2012 in and around 
the town of Coloma, California. The exact location of the meteorite fall was 
determined within hours of the event using a combination of eyewitness reports, 
weather radar imagery, and seismometry data. Recovery of the first meteorites 
occurred within 2 days and continued for months afterward. The recovery effort 
included local citizens, scientists, and meteorite hunters, and featured 
coordination efforts by local scientific institutions. Scientific analysis of 
the collected meteorites revealed characteristics that were available for study 
only because the rapid collection of samples had minimized terrestrial 
contamination/alteration. This combination of factors—rapid and accurate 
location of the event, participation in the meteorite search by the public, and 
coordinated scientific investigation of recovered samples—is a model that was 
widely beneficial and should be
  emulated in future meteorite falls. The tools necessary to recreate the 
Sutter's Mill recovery are available, but are currently underutilized in much 
of the world. Weather radar networks, scientific institutions with interest in 
meteoritics, and the interested public are available globally. Therefore, it is 
possible to repeat the Sutter's Mill recovery model for future meteorite falls 
around the world, each for relatively little cost with a dedicated researcher. 
Doing so will significantly increase the number of fresh meteorite falls 
available for study, provide meteorite material that can serve as the nuclei of 
new meteorite collections, and will improve the public visibility of 
meteoritics research.
  
  
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./maps.12249/abstract;jsessionid=067D0DC3577A4F229C4F41FFC1BD6224.f03t03

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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Dr. Laurence Garvie and Myself teaching meteorite basics.

[Jim Wooddell]

Ruben, call me... I will teach you, my son!  :)

Get yourself a PhotoBucket account too!  Then , you can share the 
pictures all over the place without having to post them all the time.


Jim




On 3/14/2014 6:11 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Thanks Carl,

I haven't yet figured out how to do that yet. I'm working on it Anne.

  I guess people should just join FB and friend me...  : )

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:

Ruben,
Those who cannot see it may not be FB friends with you. You can set
permissions for everyone.

Carl
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Ruben Garcia
rubengarcia85...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

Not sure why some of you can't see this.   Maybe someone can let
me know what I did wrong?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Ruben Garcia
rubengarcia85...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

Dr Garvie and myself just returned from teaching meteorite basics to a
room full of Rock Hounds.

Hopefully (since my settings are public) everyone will be able to see this.

Here's a link to my photos on FB

https://www.facebook.com/ruben.mrmeteoritegarcia/media_set?set=a.1376455985964318.1073741828.17997881187type=1

BTW - Feel free to friend me as I'll be posting lots of different
meteorite related photos and articles in the future.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Dr. Laurence Garvie and Myself teaching meteorite basics.

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Anne,

The simple answer is security settings per post in FaceBook (FB).

FaceBook posts can be the following;

Public - The post goes goes to anyone.  You can see them.

Friends - The post goes to the FB friends that have been approve by 
Ruben as FB friends.  Only his friends see them


Group -  The post goes to a specific group that Ruben would select.

Lists - The post would go to a specific list that Ruben made that has 
his FB friends he wants
in the list.  An example is my Meteorite Interests List.  Everyone I 
have in FB that is related to
meteorite interests are in my Meteorite Interest List.  This keeps me 
from bothering these folks
with my other interests they may not want to have anything to do with.  
It keeps things respectful of others for me


And there are a few others...

For some examples, I use List's a lot.  I made several.   One of them is 
called Family and only my family members get those posts.


 I host two groups and my posts to those groups do not go to my 
meteorite FB friends.

(unless FB breaks or I blow it).

This is part of the learning curve I mentioned in a previous post.

Another example... Melinda Hutson hosts the Cascadia Meteorite 
Laboratory page.  I just invited a bunch of folks to Like that page.  
It is currently
gaining members by leaps and bounds and when CML posts something, all 
those folks will see it.  If those people do not like what CML posts, 
they can simply

not follow it (a control command) or they can simply unlike it.

FB also offers more opportunities for businesses and dealers to reach 
out to millions of people.I have yet to see any meteorite dealer 
take advantage of this
and it truly is a way to grow a business.  They all must be making too 
much now to bother with that!!! ;)  Just a thought...sometimes a 
business owner or manager
needs to step back a bit from their perception of what is and actually 
run their business as a business, if they want to grow (Business 102).



The bottom line is this.

Email Lists are very limited in features.  They hold you captive on who 
sees what you post and what you see other post (excluding filter you set 
in your software)

FaceBook fixes that.

As far as the NSA bs, that's what it is.  If they want to know about 
you, they do and don't think they don't!  If you have that much to hide, 
you should not have any
electronic means of communications that is tied to a network. It's just 
silly to think that way.  What's really funny about that...is that some 
of my friends that could
actually have something to hide...are closer to true outlaws as can be 
(top dogs in the 1% world)are on FB.  So this NSA stuff is simply 
silly perception.


I am by no means saying email lists are bad, I enjoy this one minus all 
the ads...but I have filters employed!

On 3/14/2014 6:09 PM, Anne Black wrote:

I cannot see Ruben's page either. And here is what I don't understand:

A few weeks ago someone posted a link to NASA's Facebook page, I was 
glad of that because I could finally look at a professionally done and 
monitored page and see what Facebook could really be like when well 
done. Well, I looked at NASA's page at length, and I was very 
disappointed by the amount of garbage posted there (idiotic comments, 
crazy theories, and more), but at least I could read it. And I can 
also read Meteorite-Exchange's page (much cleaner, how do you do that 
Paul?).


But I cannot read Ruben's page. Why not?


Anne M. Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Dr. Laurence Garvie and Myself teaching meteorite basics.

[Jim Wooddell]

Anne,

Best of all, the sponsor pay for it and this all freefor now.

It takes 30 minutes to set up most of it once a person has a basic 
understanding of the featuresand like memost people learn about 
these features over a period of a long time and implement these features 
as they learn about them.  Really, no big deal.


BTW, it was great seeing you at Tucson!  I had fun talking to some of 
your clients and helping them understand!  See you next year!


Jim

On 3/15/2014 11:17 AM, Anne Black wrote:

WOW!
Thank you Jim, but really all that  No wonder some people call it 
a colossal waste of time


Lists.. Groups... How do you find time to manage all that?  I 
haven't even found time to update my website since I got back from 
Tucson. No, I might consider something simple like the 
Meteorite-Exchange page, but nothing more.


As for the NSA, I don't know how that got into the conversation, it is 
totally irrelevant.


Thanks anyway.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Dr. Laurence Garvie and Myself 
teaching meteorite basics.



Hi Anne,

The simple answer is security settings per post in FaceBook (FB).

FaceBook posts can be the following;

Public - The post goes goes to anyone.  You can see them.

Friends - The post goes to the FB friends that have been approve by
Ruben as FB friends.  Only his friends see them

Group -  The post goes to a specific group that Ruben would select.

Lists - The post would go to a specific list that Ruben made that has
his FB friends he wants
in the list.  An example is my Meteorite Interests List.  Everyone I
have in FB that is related to
meteorite interests are in my Meteorite Interest List.  This keeps me
from bothering these folks
with my other interests they may not want to have anything to do with.
It keeps things respectful of others for me

And there are a few others...

For some examples, I use List's a lot.  I made several.   One of them is
called Family and only my family members get those posts.

 I host two groups and my posts to those groups do not go to my
meteorite FB friends.
(unless FB breaks or I blow it).

This is part of the learning curve I mentioned in a previous post.

Another example... Melinda Hutson hosts the Cascadia Meteorite
Laboratory page.  I just invited a bunch of folks to Like that page.
It is currently
gaining members by leaps and bounds and when CML posts something, all
those folks will see it.  If those people do not like what CML posts,
they can simply
not follow it (a control command) or they can simply unlike it.

FB also offers more opportunities for businesses and dealers to reach
out to millions of people.I have yet to see any meteorite dealer
take advantage of this
and it truly is a way to grow a business.  They all must be making too
much now to bother with that!!! ;)  Just a thought...sometimes a
business owner or manager
needs to step back a bit from their perception of what is and actually
run their business as a business, if they want to grow (Business 102).


The bottom line is this.

Email Lists are very limited in features.  They hold you captive on who
sees what you post and what you see other post (excluding filter you set
in your software)
FaceBook fixes that.

As far as the NSA bs, that's what it is.  If they want to know about
you, they do and don't think they don't!  If you have that much to hide,
you should not have any
electronic means of communications that is tied to a network. It's just
silly to think that way.  What's really funny about that...is that some
of my friends that could
actually have something to hide...are closer to true outlaws as can be
(top dogs in the 1% world)are on FB.  So this NSA stuff is simply
silly perception.

I am by no means saying email lists are bad, I enjoy this one minus all
the ads...but I have filters employed!
On 3/14/2014 6:09 PM, Anne Black wrote:

I cannot see Ruben's page either. And here is what I don't understand:

A few weeks ago someone posted a link to NASA's Facebook page, I was
glad of that because I could finally look at a professionally done 

and

monitored page and see what Facebook could really be like when well
done. Well, I looked at NASA's page at length, and I was very
disappointed by the amount of garbage posted there (idiotic comments,
crazy theories, and more), but at least I could read it. And I can
also read Meteorite-Exchange's page (much cleaner, how do you do that
Paul?).

But I cannot read Ruben's page. Why not?


Anne M. Black
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impact...@aol.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Facebook.... a viable forum?

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

FaceBook (FB) is one of the greatest communications tools of our time.  
Like it or not.


No matter what your opinion is of it, the facts back up what I just typed.


If one takes the time to learn how to actually use it, managing all the 
control features it

has, it works very good.  I'd bet most people do little to manage FB.

There are a few groups there that are about pictures and
dealers, mostly, as Mendy pointed out.  However, the best of the best 
are on the personal

pages and the groups or pages of individuals of those that I follow.
You do not have to be a groupy to use FaceBook.the best feature 
about it.  You can do
your own thing and if people like it they follow you and it they don't, 
they don't

follow youit's that simple.

For the dealers, you can have your own page.  On that page, you can list 
meteorites for
sale until you can't stand it.  You won't bother anyone that doesn't 
want to see them

(a professional ethics issue).
Even though I don't buy much in regards to meteorites, I follow
two or three dealers on their pages (because they don't bomb anyone with 
their ads) and

I don't need to see a million freaking ads from those I will never buy from
or have no interest in.
I should not say this but what the heck...Personally, posting ads here 
or in groups just reminds
me of desperation...I meangeese...if you have a real businessget 
your own webpage already (JMHO)!
Isn't that what the big boys do??  Oh wait...get your own FB page!  BTW, 
I have yet to see a
meteorite dealer paid ad there on the ads that do pop up on the right 
that target millions of

people...kinda makes one wonder!

For Science, you can have your own page.  And with that, you can share 
your science stuff
and if people like your page, they will follow you, etc.  Melinda Hutson 
started a page for
PSU CML last year and she posts stuff on there related to what she and 
CML is doing, etc.
great to see and read this stuff.  Arizona Geological Survey has a page 
and they post stuff

about what they are up to.  It's a great tool.
I would follow all the meteorite related science pages if they had them 
and I know about them.


For individuals, FB personal pages let the egotists (i.e. childhood 
development issues)
go wild about themselves.  Just look around at the pages and you can see 
them and
it's clear who they are!  Their page is all about them...full of selfies 
their private

victories and such to feed their ego's  (Hey look at me! I am god like!)
Or the more balanced people with pages about what they are doing or 
learning or

sharing some fun or interest, rant about politics, etc.
Or, they share everyone's stuff other than their own stuff (indication 
they don't have a life of their own).

And best of all, a little of everything!  Something for everyone!

Then there are the groups.which many are drawn to because of like 
interests.  There are several
groups for meteorite interests and because of the ads, I only follow the 
one Mendy and Ben have and
the ads there are excessive too! At least there are come good 
conversations there once in a while.


There is a learning curve on how to use FB.
There are Groups
There are Lists
There are Pages
There are Messages  (with that crazy Other Folder)
...and a bunch of other stuff.

Best I can tell, 75% of the folks do not know how to take advantage of them.
I love the lists because I can control who see's my posts which focuses 
subject matter to the
people that have the same interests (most of the time).  For example, I 
don't send my meteorite related

posts to my other lists which could careless about meteorites.

Off my soapbox now.

Jim


On 3/12/2014 6:42 PM, Tom Randall wrote:

   Hi all,
  I tried out Facebook about 3-4 years ago and got bored stiff 
after 3 months and deleted the account. Unless you're a business or 
have relatives in far away places I feel it's a huge waste of time.


Just my 2 sense.

Regards!

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Facebook.... a viable forum?

[Jim Wooddell]

And this person would be soo wrong!

Jim

On 3/12/2014 4:28 PM, Anne Black wrote:
Private comment from one of the most highly regarded (and recently 
retired) meteoriticist:


Facebook is for old people with way too much time on their hands

(Yes, he allowed me to repeat it).


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[meteorite-list] Shooting Pictures of Meteorites??

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

So, I have a cheapy 12mp Nikon CoolPix camera and can take some decent 
macro pictures of small objects.  I use a homemade poor
man's light box, made from a cardboard box and crumpled aluminum foil 
and a light.  This combo works well for me with the exception of

some wide angle issues because of the limitations of the camera.
My Son, Dusty, has thousands upon thousands of dollars of Nikon high end 
camera gear and can take shots that make my low end stuff look
really bad!  Instead of a light box, which he is not use to and does not 
like, he uses a tripod and a huge light ring that his camera shoots thru

with radio controlled flash.

So, I am curious and would like to know what you folks are using for 
your pictures???  I sure see some fantastic pictures.


Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why isn't Mreira classified as a Fall?

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!
Kinda hits one of my pet peeves on the head!  In this day and age, we 
should be expecting and requiring better provenance from finds and 
falls from

the NWA regions.

Jim



On 3/11/2014 11:22 AM, Matt Morgan wrote:

No doubt that the fact that it is from NWA taints it as a probable fall.

On March 11, 2014 12:21:00 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote:

Is there any scientific evidence related to its analysis to suggest
that Mreira is not a fresh (observed) fall? If not, then I have to ask,
if this fall had taken place in the US or France, would there have been
any question?


I understand that the NWA situation is complex, but I believe that
science, not opinion should drive the decision.

Look at the Indian Butte writeup. That is listed as a Fall with less
evidence than Mreira in my opinion.

Mendy Ouzillou





From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com
To: Ruben Garcia rubengarcia85...@gmail.com;

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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Why isn't Mreira classified as a Fall?



Mreira was submitted by me as a fall but the NomCom couldn't reach a

consensus. So it was likely witnessed as stated in the description.  As
you noted Ruben it is as fresh as can be

Matt Morgan

On March 11, 2014 11:00:59 AM MDT, Ruben Garcia

rubengarcia85...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

When I purchased Mreira months ago I was told by the Moroccan dealers
that it was a witnessed fall. Ok, lets be real, anyone can say
anything in order to make a sale. However, it looks as fresh as any
fall I've ever seen/found.

Photos here:
http://www.mrmeteorite.com/mreirameteorite.htm

Read the write up - it seems to agree that it is indeed a fall.

History: According to Ait Hiba Abdelhad, a fireball was seen in the
afternoon sky on December 16, 2012, several school children saw the
fireball explode and detonations were heard near the village of
Mehaires, Western Sahara. Pieces were recovered approximately 40

miles

south of Mehaires, near Mreïra, Mauritania, only a few days after the
event. The strewn field is in the area called Stailt Omgrain, which
is a local nomadic name. This is south of Mehaires and north of the
mountain Galbe lahmar. Therefore this is a possible fall associated
with the fireball of December 16, 2012.

***Possible fall?  What else do you need? ***

Meteoritical Bulletin for Mreira

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Mre%C3%AFrasfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50↦=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=All▭=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=57653

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] List is getting torpid

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

I have posted specific and not so specific meteorite related questions 
here where Melinda Hutson, Alan Rubin
and Carl Agee have answered my questions privately and here on this 
list.  I absolutely appreciate this.
I do this because I do have questions and I want good answers, which I 
receive here.
I have received private emails complementing this effort to involve 
listees in my search for better understanding.


So if you are a complainer, suck it up and quit your belly aching and 
get over it.


You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

I do admit, FB is great for sharing my Meteorite related stuff. My page 
is mostly about meteorite stuff
which I am actively and constantly involved with.  And, there is not one 
single Ad on there for meteorites!

Many of you are there and I appreciate that and hope you enjoy my sharing.
That said, many or most all of the meteorite related lists have died out 
and nothing much is being posted...so it

is not just this list.

I completely disagree that any list should direct what topic is to be 
discussed for any given time as someone

suggested.

So I switch you back to your normally scheduled activities and I will go 
back to watching epoxy mounts of green
beach sand and NWA 7831/Kilbourne hole green stuff cure thanks to Gary 
and Greg!


Best to all!

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Re: [meteorite-list] NM Meteor 06MAR2014

[Jim Wooddell]

The Sandia/NMSU skycam at Payson, AZ captured this as well.  The event 
is very short in duration on this cam and appears to have gone below 
this cam's horizon.


http://skysentinel.nmsu.edu/allsky/viewer/1027429

BTW, Payson is a new sky cam added to our team!

Jim



On 3/6/2014 2:59 AM, drtanuki wrote:

List,

Thomas Ashcraft has caught an allsky camera of a large meteor over NM.
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/03/nm-large-fireball-meteor-06mar2014-with.html


Dirk Ross...Tokyo


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[meteorite-list] Types of twinning in chondrites?

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all,

I was wondering, for those that are experienced with petrology, what 
types of crystal twinning to do see the most in OC's?


Thanks!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Types of twinning in chondrites?

[Jim Wooddell]

Thanks Melinda, Alan and Bernd and all!

My next question would have been; Would it be safe to say if I see 
polysynthetic twinning, odds are it's low-Ca cpx, but Melinda

pretty much answered this.
I have certainly seen this but the jury is out if I've seen other types 
of twinning while playing around on the scope.


Jim


On 2/22/2014 9:25 AM, Alan Rubin wrote:
The most common type of twinning in chondrules in unmetamorphosed 
chondrites is found in low-Ca clinopyroxenes.  It is polysynthetic 
twinning -- it looks like the pyroxene grains have narrow stripes.  
These disappear when temperatures go above 630 C or so and won't be 
found in orthopyroxene.

Alan


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Hi all,

I was wondering, for those that are experienced with petrology, what 
types of crystal twinning to do see the most in OC's?


Thanks!

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[meteorite-list] How is Tucson Going??

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi List!

I have not heard much about Tucson this year.  Not much in the way of 
people sharing anything.
So what's going on there for the show?  Any killer buys?  What are the 
prices looking like?

Everyone loose their butts or what?


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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato

[Jim Wooddell]

Thanks for your work, Alan!  Nice write up.

Jim


On 1/24/2014 9:39 AM, Alan Rubin wrote:

Novato is approved.


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[meteorite-list] Removing carbon coating???

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi List!

I've read methanol is good for removing carbon from thin sections.

How about using alcohol?  Anyone try this?

Thank you!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Removing carbon coating???

[Jim Wooddell]

Thanks Alan,

The instruction I read said methanol so just making sure and typically 
do not deviate from instruction without at least checking.
I do not have methanol  or denatured ethanol here currently, only 
isopropanol.


I figured I'd be okay...was not sure about the carbon.

Jason:  LOL!  I and a lot of others would be long dead if they were all 
the same!  But yes, all part of the -OH functional group.  When I was 
doing the First Responder
stuff, instead of saying the patient was drunk we'd say ETOH on 
board.  Gotta love corn!


Jim


I just lightly polish the C-coated section on a 1-µm lap and then clean 
it with ethanol.



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Hi List!

I've read methanol is good for removing carbon from thin sections.

How about using alcohol?  Anyone try this?

Thank you!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite

[Jim Wooddell]

Thank you all for your comments!

I am not sure either that ablation would be a huge factor in why we are 
not finding olivine meteorites.  The mean melting is about 3100 degrees 
F (Fo = ~3450F, Fs =~2752), I think.  I suppose, if I look at the 
earth's mantle, olivine is a primary mineral but even then, I do not 
find large chunks just laying around waiting to be found.  My thinking 
is that if it is such a primary mineral, we should see more, not knowing 
the factors that completely effect it.


Jim



On 1/14/2014 10:25 PM, Alan Rubin wrote:
Iron meteorites tend to break up in the atmosphere at lower depths 
than stony meteorites, so I suppose that pallasites would also be 
better able to survive transit through the Earth's atmosphere than 
dunites.  But I am guessing that very few dunites ever make it to the 
top of the Earth's atmosphere to begin with.



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Would they also melt or more correctly ablate off material faster and
more completely
upon entering the earth's atmosphere?
Pete



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The question of the dearth of olivine meteorites (asteroidal dunites) 
has
been around for a very long time.  Most folks have ascribed this 
paucity as

being due to the brittle nature of olivine meteorites relative to
pallasites.  Pallasites have relatively long cosmic-ray-exposure ages
indicating that they can survive the rigors of interplanetary space 
for a
rather long while.  Eucrites have much shorter CRE ages on average.  
This
suggests that if asteroidal dunites are from deep in the mantle, they 
would
be in space about as long as the pallasites and not survive because 
they are

no tougher than eucrites.
Alan


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[meteorite-list] Near pure Olivine Meteorite

[Jim Wooddell]

So, we find pallasites, we find irons, we find chondrites.  And, with 
the pallasites some are loaded with a lot of olivine.  So anyone have 
any scientific ideas why we don't find near pure olivine meteorites?  Or 
do we??


For the sake of conversation...

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[meteorite-list] What is more important in classification?

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

Just a few general questions...

The involves a mount and a thin section.

What is more important now-a-days in classification?  This mainly 
revolves some questions I have that I am

not sure how to ask...mainly to those that classify.

If you have a million dollar Scanning Election Microscope and can probe 
around and

can determine classification from the geochem and BSE images, how
important is it to see the transmitted and reflected features in a 
petrographic microscope?


I suppose my thoughts and questions are possibly in reference to new 
technology vs. old
technologymaybe not...but close and really deeper than just yes and 
no answers.  Not that SEM's are new technology...just saying.


I was told a while back you can not classify without both.  So Why???  
Are the SEM's not capable of doing what

a petrographic microscope can do?

Thanks!

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Re: [meteorite-list] What is more important in classification?

[Jim Wooddell]

Hello Melinda, Alan and Carl,

Thank you all very much for these explanations and the learning 
opportunity.  You folks are great!  I suppose I over worry about things 
when one person orders a mount and another a mount and thin section and 
another just a thin section.  Sometimes a returned mount is not possible 
simply because there was not enough material left on the final mount 
cut.  So, I began to think why a TS would really be needed with my total 
lack of experience on an SEM.


I now have a better understanding about the mounts and thin sections I 
am making.  I did not consider the possibility of further research in 
regards to the thin sections in my thoughts and you all brought that 
into the light for me as well.


Thank you!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone else receiving emails twice?

[Jim Wooddell]

Yes, it's 'cc'ing'.  I use Mozilla and only use the Reply List but Iam 
seeing double.  Mendy, you should only get this once.  Please verify.


Jim


On 1/3/2014 2:33 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote:

I am receiving all emails from the met-list twice. Anyone else?



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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

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Hi Mike and all!

Can't tell by looking at it if it's all metal.  If it is predominently 
metal (by a large %) and the olivines and such match that of Katol, then 
this would be an L-Metalwould it not?


Jim

On 1/1/2014 5:33 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow lines and 
bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of crystal-rich 
sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the adventure to 
acquire was a little scary.
Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has incredible photos 
I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got.
The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the Tucson show.
Michael Farmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Then it should have it's own classification!  If it's 95% metal.
Just my opinion.

Do we classify falls or meteorites?

Seems we loose by classifying falls.

Jim

On 1/2/2014 6:24 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:

It was bought on the spot from the finders as they lined up to sell the 
meteorites.
It is Katol:) Central India is not Morocco with every person having a box of 
meteorites to sell.
It is almost completely iron, with perhaps 5% silicates.

Michael Farmer

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Hi Mike and all!

Can't tell by looking at it if it's all metal.  If it is predominently metal 
(by a large %) and the olivines and such match that of Katol, then this would 
be an L-Metalwould it not?

Jim

On 1/1/2014 5:33 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow lines and 
bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of crystal-rich 
sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the adventure to 
acquire was a little scary.
Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has incredible photos 
I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got.
The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the Tucson show.
Michael Farmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Greg and all,

I would not suggest another name nor would I suggest it's a different 
fall.  However I would suggest a numbering schema that maybe followed a 
find sequence.  Katol 001, Katol 005, etc.


I say that because if stuff is never studied...ie classifiedwe just 
will never know what it's make up is.  And, that can and does apply to 
any strewn field.


So, everything becomes opinion and guesswork.  Lazy science.

Jim


On 1/2/2014 7:24 AM, Greg Hupé wrote:
Since the iron was found with other fresh Katol stony pieces and some 
of the stony matrix is clearly visible on the outside of the iron, I 
see no reason to even consider cutting it to get a separate name. That 
is one nice thing of the iron being collected within a couple days of 
the fall, and well before any rains came along to oxidize and/or 
discolor the portion of matric on the iron. I think the few irons 
should be mentioned in the Official Katol classification, clearly they 
are 'pop-outs' from the Katol mass.


...just my 2 Rupees worth...

Best Regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hello Jeff and Graham,

Exactly.but a step further.  I would suggest going further than just 
saying what the lithology is.

That was done in this case in the write up.
Okay, so we have as an example  Katol #4(?).  If you say it has a metal 
rich lithologywhat is it?

Everything past that is guess work and opinion if not studied.

It's like calling all the lunars by one nameafter all it's only one 
moonas a gross example!



Jim


On 1/2/2014 7:49 AM, Graham Ensor wrote:

Great discussion...Jeff, you preempted exactly what I was thinking...I
would think such data added to classifications showing details of
unusual lithologies and individuals within the general classification
would be greatly appreciated by all. The variations within falls and
finds always fascinate me.

Graham

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote:

Two things:

Many meteorites are heterogeneous.  When we say Katol is L6 or NWA 869 is
L3-6 or Almahata Sitta is an anomalous urelite, these are collective terms.
Katol refers to everything that fell that day in India.  It has been
classified as L6.  However, it is possible (and for Almahata Sitta,
probable) that a given specimen does not representatively sample the
incoming meteoroid.  There is nothing wrong with saying that Almahata Sitta
#25 is dominated by an H5 lithology or that Katol #4(?) is a metal rich
lithology.  Good practice would be to assign some kind of specimen number to
each object and publish a catalog, so the world will always know what you
are talking about.  I would gladly publish such specimen tables in the
MetBull database, especially if done systematically.

As for the name question, NomCom would only give a separate name if there
was significant doubt that a specimen was part of the Katol fall.  This has
happened before, as with Galim (b) and Zag (b), but it didn't happen with
Almahata Sitta and I don't think there is much doubt in this case either.

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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Greg,

The find order is not necessarily important at all to 
science.although I think we all would agree that would be nice.

That's a hunter thing that does not mean much to science.

Field names and numbers are often in the bulletin comments if provided 
during the submittable process.
My suggestion is that the samples studied would be assigned a number in 
the order received by the Editor.
This completely eliminates the petty BS that goes on with some playing 
numbers games.


Jim




On 1/2/2014 8:40 AM, Greg Hupé wrote:

Hi Jim,

I wouldn't call it lazy science, but I agree with a numbering system 
when possible, but when there are several people from around the world 
involved in a fall collecting stones, it can be impossible to get 
everyone to go along with the numbering system. Take Chelyabinsk for 
instance, impossible to number each stone because of the hundreds of 
people collecting.


I think the next best thing is to name/number oddities like the Katol 
irons as maybe Katol - iron 001. Almahata Sitta was a rare 
occurrence since one initial scientist/museum had all of the stones 
that came out and it was easy to assign numbers, same with the single 
dealer who first offered the variety of stones.



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Hi Greg and all,

I would not suggest another name nor would I suggest it's a different
fall.  However I would suggest a numbering schema that maybe followed a
find sequence.  Katol 001, Katol 005, etc.

I say that because if stuff is never studied...ie classifiedwe just
will never know what it's make up is.  And, that can and does apply to
any strewn field.

So, everything becomes opinion and guesswork.  Lazy science.

Jim


On 1/2/2014 7:24 AM, Greg Hupé wrote:
Since the iron was found with other fresh Katol stony pieces and some 
of the stony matrix is clearly visible on the outside of the iron, I 
see no reason to even consider cutting it to get a separate name. 
That is one nice thing of the iron being collected within a couple 
days of the fall, and well before any rains came along to oxidize 
and/or discolor the portion of matric on the iron. I think the few 
irons should be mentioned in the Official Katol classification, 
clearly they are 'pop-outs' from the Katol mass.


...just my 2 Rupees worth...

Best Regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Carl,

Spot on!

Question:  How much material is required for the oxygen isotope testing???


When we were working on the H-Metal, the ICPMS-LA (Herd) tests completed 
on the last one used less than 100 milli-grams.
And previous INAA (Actlabs) testing used 100 milli-grams.  And, as you 
know sample size was nill!
 In either case, is not like you have to cut a third of it off. Not 
sure about the OI tests.


Jim


On 1/2/2014 8:48 AM, Carl Agee wrote:

Hi MikeG and All:

The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it
(olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal
from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly
associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate
inclusions from the iron or for that matter oxygen isotopes of the
lithologies that seem to be more like achondrite, you could start to
sort out if it is all from the same meteoroid.

Carl Agee
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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Some comments that have been made suggest no chondrules, yet there they 
are in the BSE images. Laurence does give their sizes in the write
up and they tend to be really small (200 - 700 um), but not really 
uncommon.  Because of their size, could that be why

some are missing them when they look at it and say no chondrules?

Jim


On 1/2/2014 9:10 AM, Carl Agee wrote:

Mike,

Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am
saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and
confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about
multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply
describing how you could provide geochem evidence to form a well
supported hypothesis. By the way, Laurence's BSE's on FB are
unequivocal L6 -- nice equilibrated chondrules!

Carl
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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Karen!

Amazing!
Great info.  I am sure I will be talking to you soon on a project I am 
working on.  Carl has some of the data now.


I can understand why Mike is not going to touch his sample!  LOL!

Maybe one of the other collectors will come forward with one of the 
other metal specimens!



Jim

On 1/2/2014 10:05 AM, Karen Ziegler wrote:

Jim,

For one oxygen isotope analysis, I need way less - 1 mg is sufficient. If
there were pieces of silicate sticking out on Mike's sample, along the
margin of the cut side, maybe these could just be clipped/broken off?

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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Jeff and all!

I'd say XRF data can and does vary.  Not enough info in the write up on 
testing methods.  What is the accepted procedure

agreed to using XRF to test?  BIG QUESTION!
Read on!

A few years ago, XRF seemed to not be considered much in this 
community.  Only a few were using it pretty much only for determining if 
a rock
 had the attributes to be considered a meteorite.  Somewhat like PIXE 
tests.  Some places have XRF, some have PIXE where they are looking for 
key elements.
I know XRF technology has improved.  I found it refreshing that the XRF 
data was listed.
Correlations being standard methods of lab testing and XRF showed to be 
0.85 to 0.95 (or there abouts) by the EPA in a paper about testing lead a
while back that I read.  Calibration reference is key to accurate, 
repeatable measurements with XRF.


In the gold and silver industry, they have been accepted widely but 
generally on massed samples (by melt - Homogenous mixture).


My question about the XRF data is how was the measurement taken. It 
stated whole rock and the mean of two shots???   So, does that mean
that the sample was massed and pressed into a disk then shot twice or 
what?  I'd love to know how this was performed.


Overall, with probe data, the XRF is somewhat redundant and without what 
it was referenced to, eye candy, but very interesting.
Don't think XRF would take the place of probe data.  Both can be 
subjective to a point.   It would be nice to read if the same standards 
were used for

calibration for both the probe and XRF were used and the correlation.

I do think XRF can have it's place.  Standard's should be developed on 
how it might be used.  Maybe they are out there. Point and shoot, if you 
are looking

for a quantitative answer, is not the way IMHO.

Jim



On 12/31/2013 6:04 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
Can't resist doing some arm-chair science... usually a bad move, but 
oh well...  I'll probably end up retracting much of this speculation...


There IS something strange about this meteorite to me.  I don't know 
how good the XRF analysis is, but it is not what I would expect from 
an L chondrite.  These analyses show a 30-40% enrichment in Ca and Al 
relative to Si over what an L chondrite should be, and siderophiles 
are ~20% too high as well.  If these are accurate, then there has been 
fractionation, suggestive of enrichment in low-melting components 
(which is odd).  Sodium does not fit this story, but it's a harder 
element to analyze by xrf. I also agree that coarse poikilitic grains 
are hard to explain by solid-state metamorpism, but they could also be 
derived from relict chondrules.  If this rock was melted to a large 
extent, I'd expect it to be depleted in metal and sulfide.  So I'm 
betting that the whole system has experienced low-degree partial 
melting, and some of these melts have infiltrated this particular 
chunk of high-metamorphic-grade L chondrite.


I agree with Carl that this has hallmarks of what many people call a 
type 7 chondrite.  But the whole issue of how to draw lines (or if 
there ARE lines) between primitive achondrites, type 7 chondrites, and 
products of shock heating/melting is very fuzzy and tends to be highly 
interpretive.  In a sense, this is the same discussion that surrounds 
Portales Valley, an ordinary chondrite that has also been around the 
block.


Here is an article on Katol that Laurence Garvie pointed me to: 
http://www.geosocindia.org/abstracts/2013/feb/p151-157.pdf


Jeff



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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Mike, I can host it for a time if you have a big image.  However, why 
not send it to Jeff   (sized edited to 800 pixels) for inclusion in the 
bulletin?  He takes care of that pretty quick.


Jim


On 12/31/2013 6:31 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Anyone who can host a photo to post to the list, let me know. I have a great 
photo of my 136 gram oriented Katol (L6) iron to share.
  


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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Here is Mike Farmer's picture:

http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/desertsunburn/media/katolphoto_zps463296b4.jpg.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Anne!

One can not post pictures in the proper place using the EOM method.  
They all go into the uncertain category.  Jeff places them in the 
correct areasomething an EOM member can not do.


Happy New Year.

Jim


On 1/1/2014 11:11 AM, Anne Black wrote:

Mike,
You could send that picture to Paul Swartz (valpar...@aol.com ) and he 
will post it on Picture of the Day.


Jim,
The pictures you see on the MetBulletin are really hosted in the 
Encyclopedia of Meteorites, owned and operated by the IMCA, and then 
linked to the MetBulletin. So you have to open an account there and 
then send your pictures to http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/



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Mike, I can host it for a time if you have a big image.  However, why
not send it to Jeff   (sized edited to 800 pixels) for inclusion in the
bulletin?  He takes care of that pretty quick.

Jim


On 12/31/2013 6:31 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
Anyone who can host a photo to post to the list, let me know. I have 

a great
photo of my 136 gram oriented Katol (L6) iron to share.



Michael Farmer


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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Thanks Jeff!

Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE images 
now!  Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share!


If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to wait!


Jim





On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:

Mike's photo in posted in the database now.

Jeff

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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Mike and all!

I have not seen Katol, except for your sample.  Am I assuming correctly 
that your high iron specimen is what is mentioned in the write-up?  If 
it is,
does this mean your specimen is not representative of the others? The 
way I read it, it is not. What do the other samples look like?


Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Jim Wooddell]

Nice GeoChem data.  Interesting to see the XFR data included.


Happy New Year!

Jim Wooddell



On 12/31/2013 8:14 AM, karmaka wrote:

Dear list members,
  
Katol is officially listed as an L6 in the Bulletin now!


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Katolsfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=58500
  
Happy new year 2014 to all of you!
  
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