Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos
What matters most of all is everyone being in *one* place. The problem with Facebook is there are now a million and one different groups, this has split the meteorite community into different places to the point that either you need to monitor 6 different media feeds 24/7 or you are out of the loop. The more it fragments the less knowledge and 'community' there will be. The advantage of the metlist is there is pretty much only one metlist, yes, it's an old school way of doing things, and it rests on people making the effort to post and contribute. Facebook does also have massive UI plusses over email, I appreciate people don't like Suckerberger, but we do sooner or later have to face facts pretty much no one under 30 these days uses email outside of work! Cheers, Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer via Meteorite-list Sent: 15 June 2020 14:26 To: Roberto Vargas Cc: bigjohns...@mail.com; Adam Hupe; metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos HI Roberto, I love ya man, but I gotta tear this post apart. LOL. "Thankfully, we all have the freedom to choose where to post and engage with > the community." If Zuck had his way, we wouldn't have this freedom. " I use Facebook. Facebook has features that email will never have > (video, live feeds, pictures, etc)." FB invented none of those things and does not have a monopoly (yet) on any of them. There are plenty of other apps and venues that offer live video, photos, etc. One can easily upload photos to a cloud account or website and link to them on this List. One can easily host a live feed on numerous streaming platforms and link to them here. That is how it used to be done, before FB came along and sucked all the oxygen out of the room. For example, people would upload their Tucson or Ensisheim pics to Photobucket, Flickr, or their website and then link them here. It just involves a couple of extra clicks to bypass FB entirely for this functionality. '"I kind of cI kind of concur with the sentiment that this email list is dead/dying. I > love the daily MPoD vial email, but aside from that, this vehicle for > sharing and engaging with others is antiquated and obsolete.oncur with the > sentiment that this email list is dead/dying. I > love the daily MPoD vial email, but aside from that, this vehicle for > sharing and engaging with others is antiquated and obsolete." Over the years, I have seen this list wax and wane with activity. I hope it will recover from this recent dry spell. I would argue that this list is not obsolete, just suffering from a case of widespread psychosis that somehow Zuckerberg's playground is better than the medium itself that created it. "However, I am grateful that it is still available for those of us who cannot > or will not change with the times. " If the times are changing to an online world where Facebook, Amazon, and Google control everything, then count me out. I'll fly my Luddite flag proudly. " I believe those members have valuable > insight into meteorites and their history and I would sad to lose what could > be gained from them because they cannot or choose not to grasp how to use > Facebook or other social media platforms." Indeed, it would be sad. And that is exactly what FB and Zuck are trying to do - put venues like this out of business and gobble up their audiences. Oh, I grasp FB and how to use it. And I have an active presence on some non-Facebook platforms. My apparent beef is not with social media itself, it is with Facebook and it's policies. Ello and Mastodon are better than FB all day long and twice on sundays. "At the end of the day, some will move to Facebook and join the rest of us, > while others will stay here (until the number of people that are left here > is so small that it is really just an archive). " I was the rest of us. When I first joined FB in early 2009, there was exactly one large-ish meteorite group and just one or two other dealers actively selling in other groups outside that one. We were pretty lonely for a while and I was one of those people (like you) singing the praises of social media and Facebook. Then everybody started coming to FB and the List started getting quieter and quieter. And FB started getting crazier and crazier, and then the algorithms kicked in, and then Zuck took off his mask and showed his true colors. You wanna roll with that guy, despite knowing what he's about? Well, as long as Art keeps the lights turned on (so to speak), I am going to try to help keep this List going. All of the content I used to post on FB will now go here - new fall reports, met bull updates, research links, articles, original essays, *links* to photos, etc. Art > Zuckerberg. Met-List > Facebook. No matter what ends up happening, the above two statements will always remain true, even if FB gobbles up the online world and this list
Re: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system by an interstellar object
Come to think of it ... I did see some Dolphins leaving Earth the other day ... lol Cheers, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Robert Verish via Meteorite-list Sent: 30 October 2017 07:00 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Matson, Rob D. Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system by an interstellar object Rob has made a good point about this object not being a comet, and for that matter, the presumption that this thing is natural and unguided. Personally, I am very disappointed that this object wasn't a comet and that it didn't leave a trail of dust and gases, that one day we could have captured in a Stardust-like "sample return". But unfortunately, the darn thing got away quick and clean. And equally unfortunate, that this has opened the flood-gate for all sorts of "alien-craft" theories from a variety of fringe cults. I find it astronomically coincidental that this "fly-by" occurred so close to the 20th anniversary of the Heaven's Gate mass suicide, a concurrence which was not missed by our local news outlets, since this event happened here in Rancho Bernardo. NASA has admitted to having problems identifying what the object was and where it originated, which only sparks the imagination as to possible scenarios. What if this is just the first of many objects coming our way, as if we are entering an intersteller asteroid shower? What if this object was actually an asteroid populated with alien colonists in suspended animation on their way to colonize Pegasus 5, using our Sun as a gravity assist? How do we know that intersteller travel doesn't require a number of "jumps" interspersed with gravity assists and redirections? Or worse, like a page out of a science fiction novel, what if this the first of many asteroid/crafts on their way to other points in our galaxy? What if our inner solar system is in the middle of some proposed intersteller freeway? Maybe our home planet is part of a low-rent district, which will eventually be under an overpass, which is part of an exit ramp for I5 (Intersteller Freeway ramp for Pegasus 5)! Only time will tell, Bob V. “There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.” ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy On Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:29:20 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Hi Mike, It is indeed an intriguing interloper, with much speculation on MPML as to its possible origin and the dynamics of its ejection from its original star system. Its spectral characteristics (admittedly limited spectral resolution so far) seem more consistent with an asteroid than a comet, though there is no real dividing line between an asteroid and an inactive comet -- more a continuum between the two. Suffice to say the object is "red" with no strong spectral peaks or troughs in the visible band. One small correction to your post below -- the object certainly originated in our galaxy, or one of the dwarf galaxies that is gravitationally bound to it (e.g. the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy). There has been insufficient time for the body to travel intergalactic distances, even from as close as Andromeda. Unfortunately, we will never know the identity of the star system from which it originated. --Rob From: Meteorite-list [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list [meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:30 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system by a comet-like interstellar object First recorded visit in this solar system by a visiting interstellar object of unknown origin and composition. This comet-like object is moving at a very high rate of speed (44 km/sec) and is entering our cosmic neighborhood from an unusual angle that is nearly perpendicular to the ecliptic. This object does not come from our Asteroid Belt, Kuiper Belt, or Oort Cloud. It is an interloper from the vast empty space between the galaxies and stars. This comet-like object has streaked through our solar system like a rifle shot and is now continuing on it's journey through deep space
Re: [meteorite-list] Volcanoes, Not Impacts, Caused End Triassic Mass Extinction
And.. the Dinosaur extinction tennis match continues :) Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list Sent: 21 June 2017 23:31 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Volcanoes, Not Impacts, Caused End Triassic Mass Extinction Volcanic eruptions triggered dawn of the dinosaurs (Huge pulses of volcanic activity are likely to have played a key role in triggering the end Triassic mass extinction, which set the scene for the rise and age of the dinosaurs, new Oxford University research has found.) http://www.heritagedaily.com/2017/06/volcanic-eruptions-triggered-dawn-dinosaurs/115652 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170619151530.htm Dinosaurs got an evolutionary assist from huge volcanic eruptions by Mary Beth Griggs Popular Science http://www.popsci.com/volcanic-eruptions-dinosaur-evolution The paper is: Lawrence M. E. Percival, Micha Ruhl, Stephen P. Hesselbo, Hugh C. Jenkyns, Tamsin A. Mather, and essica H. Whiteside. Mercury evidence for pulsed volcanism during the end-Triassic mass extinction. PNAS, June 2017 DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1705378114 http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/06/13/1705378114 Unrelated article about volcanoes are: Volcanic crystals give a new view of magma https://phys.org/news/2017-06-volcanic-crystals-view-magma.html and Tracking the buildup to volcanic eruptions University of Arizona, June 15, 2017 https://asunow.asu.edu/20170615-discoveries-asu-scientists-tracking-buildup-volcanic-eruptions Crystals once deep inside a volcano offer new view of magma, eruption timing (Volcanologists are gaining a better understanding of what’s going on inside the magma reservoir that lies below New Zealand’s Mount Tarawera volcano. They’re finding a colder, more solid place than they thought, according to research published today in the journal Science.) http://www.heritagedaily.com/2017/06/crystals-deep-inside-volcano-offer-new-view-magma-eruption-timing/115558 The paper is; Rubin, A.E., Cooper, K.M., Till, C.B., Kent, A.J., Costa, F., Bose, M., Gravley, D., Deering, C. and Cole, J., 2017. Rapid cooling and cold storage in a silicic magma reservoir recorded in individual crystals. Science, 356(6343), pp.1154-1156. science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.aam8720 http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6343/1154 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Historic Event - Live Comet Landing ESA - NOW Happening
Its landed - they have a signal... Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki via Meteorite-list Sent: 12 November 2014 15:13 To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Historic Event - Live Comet Landing ESA - NOW Happening List, Historic Ecent - Live Comet Landing by ESA - NOW Happening - Live on The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/11/esa-rosetta-cometlanding-webcast.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture by Katie Paterson
Imho: At the end of the day an artist can do what she/he wants with her rock, good luck to her if she can make a living from it. But personally I would categorise it as nothing more than tacky sensationalist 'shock art' with no great intellectual or artistic merit. (probably in the same category as people who saw cows in half, or leave their knickers on an un-made bed and call it an 'art installation'). But it wouldn't do if we were all the same, (I am sure other people may say the same about my modest attempts at painting!). :) Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks via Meteorite-list Sent: 08 August 2014 02:44 To: la...@copperwired.com Cc: i...@moonmarsrocks.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture by Katie Paterson Hi Laura, Peter, Anne, David, List, Honorable Chairpeople, In generating discussion, the artist has succeeded. If that was one of the goals, then the artwork was a success in the eyes of some. We are still talking about it, which I am not sure says more about the art itself or the state of recent affairs (or lack of) in the meteorite world... (sales of all remelted non-widmanstatten iron artworks is hereby suspended until further notice.) I believe that we are all temporary caregivers for these cosmic immortal rocks (and irons). They have existed since the birth of our Sun and they will exist long after that same Sun is dead. We are a part of these meteorites complex exposure histories. To far-future researchers, we will be distant biological contaminants that briefly influenced the chemical and physical weathering of these meteorites. I feel it is our duty to curate our meteorites with a level of respect and regard that is due to any creation that is billions of years old and will exist for billions more. We should not make cutesy trinkets from them lightly. Considering that, the artist used a common meteorite and it's destruction is no loss to the body of scientific knowledge. This is not a case of someone grinding up Sutter's Mill stones to make balding-cure snake oil. So, we can disagree with the artwork or the treatment of the meteorite used, but we should not be completely dismissive of it because it is causing no great harm to science or meteoritics. I wouldn't do that to any meteorite. It seems pointless to me and artistic goals could be met using meteorites in a more respectful manner. I have sold meteorites to artists and craftsmen who intended to use them as a medium or part of the works, but I would not sell to someone to planned to completely destroy the unique nature of the meteorite. Attitudes vary, but art will always be art. I cannot say what is art, but I can say that I do not particularly care for melting down meteorites completely. They can never be restored and that does represent a loss, if not to science, then to the cosmos as a whole. (And a failure in our jobs as temporary guardians!) Best regards, MikeG PS - I have seen some very artful use of meteorite, with some examples by others on this List. So it can be done properly. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/7/14, Laura--- via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Ok, so now I have to give my two cents...sense! I too do artwork involving meteorites, love the hunt, and collecting. I might note that no meteorite was harmed in the making of my work! (I don't even like the idea of slicing one into pieces, but that is my own issue, and it is done every day, and I own slices of them too!) There are a few questions to ask, that if these found items are raised up to a level that, we as creatures with opposable thumbs and conscience thought, elevate them to the point of greater importance, then has meteorites become something of worship for modern day society? If so, then what right do any of us have to claim ownership? Do they all belong in museums? What good does that one on your desk, shelf or locked up in the climate controlled safe do to the greater good, or is that self-indulgence at its finest, or just for profit? I suppose that if ownership is the case, then we are by right able to do whatever we desire, as it then belongs to the owner to keep or shape into any existence we see fit. If for profit, then what does it matter what the new owner does? Some questions that cross my mind are, What is the purpose in this artwork and the end result?. I haven't read the full artist statement on this direct subject, but have visited her website, and her work is very interesting, and consummate.
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture Will Be International Space Station First Artwork
but I'm wondering what exactly is the point of melting down part of a meteorite and then recasting it as an exact copy of itself, It's called wait for it .. Irony! plays drums - rat..tat..splash... Sorry couldn't resist that one! Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Noyes via Meteorite-list Sent: 30 July 2014 17:18 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture Will Be International Space Station First Artwork Hi All, I'm an artist myself, but I'm wondering what exactly is the point of melting down part of a meteorite and then recasting it as an exact copy of itself, indistinguishable from the original. The original meteorite is already a cosmic work of art, a rock transformed when it journeyed through space and then sculpted by the Earth's atmosphere and terrestrial impact. Part of the real meteorite would make a fine art installation on the ISS. It might be more original and interesting to transform a piece of a meteorite into another art form/shape rather than a just duplicate. Best regards, Daniel Daniel Noyes Genuine Moon Mars Meteorite Rocks i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:06:24 -0700 From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture Will Be International Space Station?s First Artwork Message-ID: 72ac215aa20e7eb76cc029090b9a34b2.squir...@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Art: But not the first meteorite to be brought back to space from the Earth. If I remember correctly, about 20 years ago (do not remember which mission) Tom Jones brought a meteorite (do not remember what it was) up in the Shuttle. It may have been the same flight that he brought a Zuni Fetish up (and back). Larry Interesting idea and article: http://news.artnet.com/art-world/meteorite-sculpture-will-be-internati onal-space-stations-first-artwork-67923 -Art __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger
Yes, Sad news indeed- A genuine space legend, he will be sadly missed, my thoughts to his family, friends and colleagues at the OU, thinking of them also. Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Goff via Meteorite-list Sent: 08 May 2014 12:49 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger Hi all, Sad news today on the passing of a space science legend Colin Pillinger. He died suddenly of a brain haemorrhage last night. He was a truly dedicated and inspirational man whose infectious enthusiasm for science was passed onto many over the years. Up until last week I was in regular correspondence with Colin mostly about the subject of Wold Cottage and especially of the story of Major Edward Topham. He was working on a long term book project about Topham's life and it was this we discussed during out last conversation. I had acquired some original documents and artwork by Edward Topham that Colin was interested in. One thing I will always remember above all about him is his dry sense of humour and wit that made every conversation with him a joy. The asteroid 15614 Pillinger that is named after him is only a tiny part of his huge legacy but one that I will remember him by everytime I gaze spacewards. Brilliant but a bit bonkers is one of the most all encompassing quotes I have read about him today and one that rings very true. He was a true British boffin. I know I posted this before but for anyone that didn't see it then please take an hour out of your day to watch this lecture by Colin and witness the warmth, wit and character of one of the greats of space science. https://royalsociety.org/events/2012/stones-from-the-sky/ He will be sorely missed by many. Sincerely Martin Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not fake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
Sorry that should read: Phil and List, m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: 11 April 2014 09:51 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not fake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite
IMHO - This should most likely be called 'Earthite'. A whole new class of rocks distinct from meteorites, which so far we don't have any of (unless anyone knows different!?). Or they could just be known as Tektites, since that is essentially what the consensus is on Tektites. Though I would put Tektites in the group of Ancient impact glasses rather than actual fusion crusted rocks from earth. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 08 April 2014 06:15 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite Suppose a fusion crusted stone is found shortly after a fireball. When examined it shows a celestial age of a few million years and a relatively short formation age. More examination shows it to be a stone formed on earth, ejected into space and returned here. Is it meteorite or a meteorwrong. Or something in between? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom, an Ambassador?
Yeah, if we are going to be paying for adverts then can we at least have some list moderation in return? Whilst the 'matteo wars', proud tom, the original Tom , Capital letters Steve, selling material cheap to undermine Tuscon, Mike/Greg exchanges, Fairies and struck ones where all entertaining for some, depending on your point of view, can't we now maybe just move on... M. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of PolandMET Sent: 03 April 2014 00:37 To: Ruben Garcia; Michael Farmer Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom, an Ambassador? Hmm what about $1 from every bullshit posted to the list ? MC Wow, Michael Farmer and Anne Black agree on something Hell is a bit cooler today! : ) On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Why do we have to waste time with this again after a decade? Giant fall two weeks ago in South Korea and like 3 posts about it. Some idiotic old crap and the lost goes wild. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi Ruben and all, I have been working on a site that will have approximately 48 pages of Proud Tom shenanigans. Those who don't know who He was or what he did can take a look see. Those who enjoyed Him can re-live some of what he did and those who did not Enjoy him are invited to not visit the site. While everyone has differing tastes I have never understood Why one would subject themselves to things they don't like. I would Never go to a 3 Stooges movie and then criticize it - any more than I would eat black licorice and criticize it. I just avoid them both. I am glad some people enjoy the 3 Stooges and black licorice. Good for them. I will pass, thank you. Michael On 4/2/14 2:23 PM, Ruben Garcia rubengarcia85...@gmail.com wrote: Meteorite Maniacs, Since I brought up this topic a few weeks ago I've been inundated with questions and comments that range from, Who was he? to I hated that era. However, today I've received an anonymous email that proves to some small degree that in 2004 Proud Tom was officially recognized as an esteemed gentleman and an ambassador. The document speaks for it's self http://www.mrmeteorite.com/proudtom.htm I've also received via email from several list members a catalog of some of Proud Toms greatest hits. If there is interest I may release some of his written antics page by page on my website. Come on he was funny, wasn't he? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia http://www.MrMeteorite.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian skydiver nearly struck by meteorite
Hmm. Just looks like someone packed a rock in their canopy, either accidentally or on purpose and it popped out when the chute unfurled. (Or could just be be a 4114) Odds of it happening, massive, odds of the rock being just the right size to show up on camera - massive, odds, of the rock being nicely 50% fusion crusted to make it look more like a meteorite - massive, and the grey interior facing the camera nicely- massive most of the way through the shot- massive. Occam's razor says.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Tom Randall Sent: 03 April 2014 15:29 To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Norwegian skydiver nearly struck by meteorite Just saw this video. Not sure I buy it. What do you all think? http://www.nrk.no/viten/skydiver-nearly-struck-by-meteorite-1.11646757 Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014
All good points shawn. An obvious flagrant ad is an ad, but 50% of the posts on this forum are to do with finding/getting/trading material, that's kinda the whole point of the hobby! I fully support Art's idea, but to me it must be restricted to clear and obvious adverts, getting banned for posting a wanted ad, or referring to material bought from a dealer, will just result in no-one being left here! If you flick through a magazine, it is usually obvious which is an ad, and which is an article, so maybe it will pan out through common sense, I guess we will see, the metlist with either prosper or fail! As you rightly say, what's actually wrong with meteorite Ads anyway? I'd rather see 10 ads for meteoritic material than one more bl**dy Proud Tom diatribe!! Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 01 April 2014 05:28 To: Ruben Garcia; Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] New paid Ad program for the mailing list - starts 4/7/2014 Ruben and Lister You do bring up a good point Ruben. That is a grey area and I have seen a few members do it and say look at this new meteorite I have and when you go to there website they have items listed for sale of that new fall or meteorite. Also, I have seen members say well if you want to see a good sample of this meteorite you can look at my website and they give a link to there website which is a dealer website in meteorite posts. To me that seems like advertising. I have also seen when people are talking about thin sections and some people say, hey if you want to see some good sample go to my dealer website. I see that happen a lot and think if ads are going to be charged on here, that also should be constituted as an AD? What about Trades? is that an AD or wanted post and someone posts their website? One other point I like to ask, you say less AD will be better for dealers and list members? Well I didn't know the AD on here were a big problem. I thought the arguing and the nonsensical topics was disrupting the website. Also $8 an AD to the main deals is nothing, but for the ones that struggle with money wont be able to pay that and post an AD. I guess it will be better for some dealers, because there will be less competition advertising on here. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ringwoodite discovered in terrestrial diamond..
Interesting - terrestrial Ringwoodite contains 1% water! So theres probably as much water underneath us than in the worlds oceans.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26553115 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Facebook.... a viable forum?
Problem is fragmentation. There are already many meteorite groups on facebook, twitter, et al. If everybody keeps creating new ones eventually they [will] all be more or less empty like so many other forums. The beauty of the Met-list is it's simplicity, and the fact that its actually quite busy (compared to 99.9% of other forums inc some on FB), Not sure I agree with the concept of paying for Ads, that's just bound to drive away people, but I can understand funds need to be raised. Fact is in the meteorite collecting world and 'ads' go hand in hand, for most people dealers are the only source of rocks, I for one got much of my collections over the years due to ads on the met list. I for one am staying put, even if I end up talking to myself ! :) Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul
Yeah Looks like a tiny little fragment?? And way too fresh... -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: 24 September 2013 15:43 To: met-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul Shouldn't that fragment be much more rusted if it came from the bottom of the lake? I've seen ugly fragments on eBay that looked much worse, and they weren't sitting at the bottom of a lake for 6 months. ??? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 9/24/13, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this morning: http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/ http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1 More to come... Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk Meteorite Delivered…Scriptures?
You see ... they are getting confused there between scriptures, and SAW MARKS!! Lol Wait I may be wrong, my piece has something written on it lets see..ten something .. wait, ten point ...two 'g'? - Wow I wonder what this all means? LOL. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 17 September 2013 09:09 To: Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk Meteorite Delivered…Scriptures? Hello Listers, I find this to be interesting, I wonder what Chelyabinsk meteorite will tell us once the scripture is decoded :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ For many centuries, the workings of the celestial realm were considered wondrous, and frequently indicated the intentions of a higher being. Solar eclipses were times of fear, and fireballing meteorites could indicate a deity’s anger. One can only imagine what our distant ancestors would have made of the Chelyabinsk meteorite that ripped through the Urals regions in Russia in February of this year. Turning an otherwise ordinary morning chaotic with a blinding flash of light and a shockwave that splintered windows throughout Chelyabinsk and the neighboring towns, no superstition was required to make the meteorite’s arrival a frightening event. However, it seems the old days aren’t quite dead. A cult has sprung up around the fallen meteorite, claiming it carries scriptural writings and can only be touched by psychic priests Source: http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/2013/09/17/chelyabinsk-meteorite-delivered-scriptures/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Whenever I hear this phrase it always rings bells to me.. Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Graham Ensor Sent: 13 September 2013 09:17 To: Roman Jirasek Cc: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite I agree with JasonSounds a bit dubious to meespecially when you look at the vase which seems to be reconstructed from several different vases...!!! Surely any archeologist of any repute/expertise would not have done that? Graham On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Roman Jirasek r...@meteoritelabels.com wrote: I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this year. I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which may have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his photos... http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com Copied email follows I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of victory from the God of Mars. I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume the meteorite obviously fell before that date. This would help us, with dating the find. Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The meteorite? Thank you Douglas Roth. Phoenix, Arizona. Sparta archaeology. Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel and tours. Douglas Rothman. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hes at it AGAIN.......
At the current market value of $1900.00 per gram, this 4.5kg slab would be valued at $8,550,000.00, IF, and, ONLY IF. it was posted on EBAY by an I.M.C.A. member! SO, HOW ABOUT IT, DUDES? I'd say that counts as evidence of conspiracy to commit fraud.. tell the feds! -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 15 May 2013 05:39 To: Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] Hes at it AGAIN... Hello Listers Hes at it again, not sure why he emailed me personally but he still believes he has lunar meteorites Not sure why he hasn't sold any? Down below is what he sent me in an email. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store As promised, here are the links, which will show our Lunar Gabbro to be the genuine deal! Most scientists, dealers, and collectors ignore photographic evidence, so I've, also, attached our XRF Data, below. Check out the variety of extraterrestrial elements; particularly nickel, for those that must have nickel in their meteorites. At the current market value of $1900.00 per gram, this 4.5kg slab would be valued at $8,550,000.00, IF, and, ONLY IF. it was posted on EBAY by an I.M.C.A. member! SO, HOW ABOUT IT, DUDES? http://www.meteorite-exchange.com/listing/nwa-2977-lunar-gabbro/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/53287361@N04/sets/72157633462415971/ Specimen #163: Lunar Olivine Gabbro S (3658)ppm K (7450) Ca (1456) Ti (1745) Cr (87) Mn (13.8K) Fe (13.8K) Ni (63) Zn (124) As (25) Rb (24) Sr (81) Zr (167) Ag LOD Sn (29) Sb (44) Te (126) Cs (146) Ba (4887) Au LOD Pb (75) Th (9) U (9) Bon Apatite! http://meteoritefalls.com/http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1http://meteoritefalls.com/http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Inside NASA's Plan to Catch an Asteroid
Instead of using a bag to de-spin the asteroid, why not use a giant lathe tool, and make a death star while we are at it? Lol. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: 11 April 2013 00:12 To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Inside NASA's Plan to Catch an Asteroid http://www.space.com/20612-nasa-asteroid-capture-mission-explained.html Inside NASA's Plan to Catch an Asteroid (Bruce Willis Not Required) by Mike Wall space.com 10 April 2013 President Barack Obama's 2014 federal budget request, which was released Wednesday (April 10), gives NASA $105 million to jump-start a program that would snag an asteroid and park it near the moon. Astronauts would then visit the space rock using the agency's Space Launch System rocket and Orion capsule, perhaps as early as 2021. This mission represents an unprecedented technological feat that will lead to new scientific discoveries and technological capabilities and help protect our home planet, NASA chief Charles Bolden said in a statement. The space agency is still working out how exactly to pull off the mission, which officials are calling the Asteroid Initiative or Asteroid Retrieval and Utilization Mission at the moment. But a few things are already clear. For starters, the probe that will chase down and capture the 25-foot (8 meters) or so asteroid will be unmanned. And it will be powered by solar electric propulsion, which generates thrust by accelerating charged particles called ions. Ion thrusters have been used on other NASA probes, including Dawn, which recently spent a year orbiting the huge asteroid Vesta before departing for the dwarf planet Ceres. But engineers will need to develop an advanced version for the Asteroid Initiative craft, since it will be towing a 500-ton space rock over millions of miles. This mission accelerates our technology development activities in high-powered solar electric propulsion, Michael Gazarik, NASA Associate Administrator for Space Technology, said in a statement. Still, it may take several years for the probe to meet up with the asteroid. The spacecraft will then envelop the space rock with a bag of sorts, as a new video animation of NASA's Asteroid Initiative mission depicts, and de-spin the rock, likely using thrusters. The asteroid will then be towed to a stable orbit in the Earth-moon system where astronauts can visit and explore it, NASA officials wrote in a mission description Wednesday. These visits will be made possible by Orion and the Space Launch System, which are slated to begin flying crews together by 2021. The NASA animation shows astronauts aboard Orion meeting up with the space rock, which the retrieval probe is still holding onto. In the video, the astronauts spacewalk their way over to the asteroid, accessing it by unwrapping a small section of the bag. They grab some pieces using a hammer and other tools, then come home with the samples in an ocean splashdown. The overall asteroid-retrieval idea is similar to one proposed by researchers based at Caltech's Keck Institute for Space Studies in Pasadena. In a feasibility study published last year, the Keck team estimated the total cost of robotic capture and return at $2.6 billion. NASA hasn't released its own cost estimates yet, but agency officials think they can get it done for less than that. The Keck study didn't take into account all the activities we already have going on in our base, so we wouldn't need $2.6 billion in new money, NASA chief financial officer Elizabeth Robinson said during a press conference Wednesday. The Keck team also focused on grabbing a carbonaceous chondrite, she added. These asteroids are compositionally diverse, full of complex organic molecules, metals and volatile materials like water. But carbonaceous chondrites also tend to be found farther away than other types of near-Earth asteroids, Robinson said, making their retrieval more time-consuming and expensive. At this point, NASA isn't so particular about the space rock it hopes to target. For those two reasons, we think that the price is likely to come in - of new money, new investment - at below that [$2.6 billion], Robinson said. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff
Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth) - That's fine if your looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally define life (and not just some grey area about self reproducing molecules) would we know 'it' if we saw it? Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt for life on Mars it's getting a bit thin and desperate, in 100 years we have gone from theories of there being colonies of Martians with canals or forests to a small chance there may still be a few microbes hanging on deep underground near the equator, Nothing wrong with looking and we should, but at some point in the near future we should probably give up and start face to reality, and think about sending some resources elsewhere - where frankly the chances are a looking little bit higher, e.g Europa. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mulgrew Sent: 14 March 2013 19:04 To: Sterling K. Webb; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff Sterling, Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth), any life remaining on Mars will likely be found there. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Count, You said: ...Asimov was making a wild ass guess as to the 10,000 to one Oxygen/Chlorine ratio and he never presented one paper to support his hypothesis. Asimov wasn't presenting a scientific paper. He was writing a popular article in a popular magazine. There are no referencew in magazine pieces. Again, he wasn't making hypotheses; he was presenting the well-known science of the time. The cosmic abundances were being determined for forty years before this article was writteen. Here's a current table of the values: http://www.kayelaby.npl.co.uk/chemistry/3_1/3_1_3.html and a bit clearer example at: http://old.orionsarm.com/science/Abundance_of_Elements.html Counting atoms for cosmic abundances is tricky. People have tried by counting atoms in Earth's sea water, in the crustal rocks of the Earth, by analyzing meteorite abundances, by spectroscopic analysis of the Sun and of other stars. The table in the first reference gives figures for all of these sources; water, rocks, meteorites, Sun, stars... (I don't know which one Asimov was using.) It works because our star and rocks (planets) are all made out of the same stuff and similar stars are made from almost identical stuff. The ratios may have been refined since 1957, but they haven't changed that much. And Isaac only mentions one noble gas: neon. As for Mars, I have another argument. Mars had a warm wet past. Any simple life there probably started then. So, life has had 3-4 billion years to get its act together. IF there is life on Mars, don't you think it would evolve a little bit in all that time? Do something that would get our attention? Leave visible evidence of its presence? Life expands, spreads, complicates. If there were life on Mars, wouldn't it have done SOMETHING in three billion years? I don't believe in patient little microbes that do nothing for billions of years. It says to me that there's nobody home... Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff
Agreed, at present what we [know] is our type of life needs water (along with millions of other things), but also at present we [know] it also needs something (presumably closely) resembling an Earth with all its associated environmental and physical parameters and history in order to evolve. What we don't know is what [minimum] components, level of conditions, time span etc is required for life to always start. Therefore implying that other worlds could well have life just because it has certain very basic components like water, is extrapolation and speculation, that's why I think we should be cautious about making claims that planets like mars have 'the building blocks of life', - every meteorite has most of the elemental building blocks of life in it so does the moon, in fact so does my wristwatch. what it doesn't have is the right circumstances or conditions or environmental factors that the Earth has. Environmental factors are every bit as important as chemistry, I just think it's a bit early for people to imply that Mars holds much hope of being a living planet, based finding a puddle of fossil water. But it is very exciting none the less, and I really hope we find bugs sometime soon! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mulgrew Sent: 14 March 2013 04:53 To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff List, In no way was I trying to imply that we know everything and there can only be one basis of life, but rather we only know of one living planet and that planet's life requires water. Of course there could be any number of alien life forms, probably many, many types we haven't even began to imagine. There's one thing we can say about this universe we inhabit, and that's that it doesn't make things just once. Billions of galaxies, billions of stars, billions of planets, and so billions of life forms would seem the natural progression. Of course this also leads too billions of universes, as well. Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Guys, List, What life needs is a source of energy that can be stored and utilized when needed. Without these energy exchanges there is no life. That's why you have to eat breakfast. This energetic system requires elements that are cosmically abundant, on planets large and cool enough to retain a gaseous reservoir of a reactive element (called an atmosphere) and a fluid reservoir of a working solvent to facilitate and participate in those reactions (called an ocean). There are many possible systems of energy exchange, but their LIKELIHOOD depends on the cosmic abundance of the elements involved and the likelihood of their entering into combinations with other common elements. If you grab a fistful of solar nebula you have hydrogen, helium, and as impurities, oxygen and nitrogen, BUT the oxygen and nitrogen combine easily with hydrogen, so you end up with an atmosphere of hydrogen, helium, with ammonia and methane as impurities. We represent a CHON life system, but fluorine is more energetic than oxygen and yields more bang for the buck. So, why don't we have a CHFN life system? The reason is that fluorine grabs on so tight it can't be split off again with the energies available at a planetary surface. Ammonia is a better solvent than water but its liquid range of fluid temperatures is so narrow that it would make a lousy ocean. The reactive elements for life are all right there on the periodic chart in a stack: fluorine, oxygen, chlorine, bromine, iodine. At first blush, life could be based on any of them, but some are more unlikely than others. Since I don't want to write twenty pages of chemistry, I suggest you go the link given below; http://www.bestebooksworld.com/showeBook.asp?link=24235 and download the PDF of this little 1957 book, Only A Trillion. Read Chapter Six, Planets Have An Air About Them, by Isaac Asimov who, being both a chemist by trade and a better writer than I, can explain the whole range of possible life systems and how they might work in a marvelous fashion. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com; Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff Michael M and List, First, apologies to be so Sci-Fi...not the intention. If I had a better rocker I'd probably be knocked off of it for remotely, even slightltly suggesting this, especially to this credentialed List; best a slap upside-the-head to get
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Yep, and I can't understand this fad for claims that go along the lines of 'we have found the building blocks of life' , even yesterday the BBC announced that NASA had found 'building blocks of life' on Mars in the latest Rover sample, it turned out the BBC meant Hydrogen and Oxygen! - What Hydrogen/Oxygen in space? Wow there's a revelation - NOT! And Amino acids are not 'the building blocks of life' either, they are nothing like, they form quite naturally without ANY life being present. I never seen any evidence that life needed to seeded from outside the Earth, every shred of evidence we have implies life as we know it started right here. We could very well be the only life in the universe for all we know (although I find that statistically unlikely). It's like the search for water on Mars, all very interesting but I bet there are millions of planets in the universe with liquid water, and I'd bet most of them don't have any life on.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: 12 March 2013 19:40 To: Count Deiro Cc: Mike Groetz; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hi Count, Phil, List, and Innocent Bystanders, I have to chime in a bit here on a more serious note. I think there is merit to the idea of panspermia. I am not convinced that panspermia explains any of the lifeforms or living processes here on Earth, but that does not mean the idea is baseless. We have been bombarded for billions of years by objects that contain water and the precursors of organic compounds, amino acids, etc. Injecting this material into the crucible of primitive Earth could result in changes to the evolution of life that would not have occurred without the addition of those extraterrestrial ingredients. We may owe our existence to comets and meteorites. Or maybe not. But, the most fervent proponents of the panspermia theory are throwing caution and scientific method to the wind. They look for evidence to support their views and they find it. They selectively ignore valid questions about their methodology and the integrity of their evidence. Wickramasinghe is not doing the panspermia theory any favors. Whether or not there is any validity to the theory is trumped by his questionable methods. Also, publishing anything at all in the so-called Journal of Cosmology is not the way to gain any respect or consideration. A lot of people want to believe that panspermia played a role in the development of life on Earth and elsewhere - it's an enticing and romantic idea that opens many doors of possibility for the frequency of life in the cosmos. But Wickramasinghe is not convincing me of this. I bet the credible proponents of the theory wish they could squelch this guy, because he is adding a lot noise to the panspermia signal. Best regards, MikeG PS - I do happen to believe in panspermia, but please don't put me in Wickramasinghe's camp. ;) -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/12/13, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Phil, I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites I mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian Meteorites descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly convincing to me. That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars, was sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for us. You may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's findings today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee their pants having the opportunity to confirm that in the first drilling of a rock on Mars, they have proven an environment existed that would have beeen amiable to life. It will get better Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Mike Groetz mpg4...@gmail.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hello Count, All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead horses. That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new evidence, I'd love to hear it.
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Sure and I don't deny finding water or evidence of it is very exciting, but what I question, is 'the building blocks of life claim'. This is pure hype. Sure water and amino acids are essential for life, but I would question exactly how certain life is to evolve when water alone is present. The answer is it's massively more complex than just having flowing water. So finding water does not immediately mean there is any life. From some of the recent press and Nasa coverage, you would get the impression that finding water on Mars automatically means the hunt for extraterrestrial life is nearly over, but the truth is very far from it! It just makes it a tiny tiny amount more likely.. Mark -Original Message- From: Count Deiro [mailto:countde...@earthlink.net] Sent: 13 March 2013 13:09 To: Mark Ford; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hi List, Mark has said ...I can't understand this fad for claims... that... we have found the building blocks of life There is no fad to reveal, however so unscientifically and hysterically by some in academia and the media, that we have discovered copious amounts of water on planets and moons. It is a scientific discovery that is found exciting to some, and disconcerting and threatening to others, as the evidence piles up that what was once a theory is now, because of Curiosity's right out of the box, successful, directed search, a scientific fact. Where once one could only postulate that the building blocks of life might be on Mars because of what we discovered in Nakhla, AH84001 and recent NWAs, we now we know is a fact. And that information may not be remarkable to an educated you, even though you were clueless at one point in your studies, but to the masses it is big medicine and conjures up in billions of our fellow homonids the fear that their belief systems are losing the battle to scientific discovery. And the attitude adjustment ain't going to be pretty..especialy with meteorite worshipping Islam. Incidentally, I think you've got the chicken before the egg on what came first on this orb, building blocks or life. And no, you can't say that every shred of evidence we have implies life as we know it started right here without defining what you consider life. Be patient just a few more sols, my friend. We are about to witness discoveries that are going to shred much of civilization's core religious theologies and of a much lessor importance, resolve our difference in opinion. Namaste, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk Sent: Mar 13, 2013 2:41 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Yep, and I can't understand this fad for claims that go along the lines of 'we have found the building blocks of life' , even yesterday the BBC announced that NASA had found 'building blocks of life' on Mars in the latest Rover sample, it turned out the BBC meant Hydrogen and Oxygen! - What Hydrogen/Oxygen in space? Wow there's a revelation - NOT! And Amino acids are not 'the building blocks of life' either, they are nothing like, they form quite naturally without ANY life being present. I never seen any evidence that life needed to seeded from outside the Earth, every shred of evidence we have implies life as we know it started right here. We could very well be the only life in the universe for all we know (although I find that statistically unlikely). It's like the search for water on Mars, all very interesting but I bet there are millions of planets in the universe with liquid water, and I'd bet most of them don't have any life on.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: 12 March 2013 19:40 To: Count Deiro Cc: Mike Groetz; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hi Count, Phil, List, and Innocent Bystanders, I have to chime in a bit here on a more serious note. I think there is merit to the idea of panspermia. I am not convinced that panspermia explains any of the lifeforms or living processes here on Earth, but that does not mean the idea is baseless. We have been bombarded for billions of years by objects that contain water and the precursors of organic compounds, amino acids, etc. Injecting this material into the crucible of primitive Earth could result in changes to the evolution of life that would not have occurred without the addition of those extraterrestrial ingredients. We may owe our existence to comets and meteorites. Or maybe not. But, the most fervent proponents of the panspermia theory are throwing caution
Re: [meteorite-list] I have heard the Chelyabinsk Meteorite could be classified as a ........
More like L5-6 imho... seems an awful lot of metal in some pics I've seen.. I reckon this one will be like NWA869 (L3.8-L9!) i.e. it will vary between finds, it's a big fall after all, which means it might be a little more varied than usual. I'm disappointed but the lack of 'pointless speculation' on a classification on this list! - normally this list has it classified, weighed and half sold off before it's even recovered! :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 28 February 2013 00:14 To: Meteorite Central Subject: [meteorite-list] I have heard the Chelyabinsk Meteorite could be classified as a Hello Listers I have heard that the Chelyabinsk Meteorite fall could be a LL5?? Any thoughts on that. I for one do not have the eye for that, but I have been told that who did some slicing of this meteorite said from what they could tell that it could be an LL5 from looking at it in person. Here are some images someone sent me of the Chelyabinsk Meteorite fragments http://image.tsn.ua/media/images2/original/Feb2013/383747428.jpg http://img1.1tv.ru/imgsize640x360/PR20130225151539.JPG http://www.apiural.ru/UserFiles/Storage/ContentPhoto/0/0/63/6343_origi nal.jpg Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SPACE EXPO - OFF TOPIC (TANGENTIALLY)
I might be old fashioned but - my advice - Just put out some good meteorites with good lighting and let them have a good look at it! There's nothing worse than walking through a display/museum with a token of artifacts around in badly lit cases and just seeing the kids playing around with the wooden wheels and bashing the buttons, they will enjoy it sure, but they won't learn anything and its forgotten 10 minutes later. Whereas I will always remember the first time I saw a large slab of Iron with the classic Widmanstatten pattern! So many museums these days are basically turning into playgrounds for kids. Sure there's room for some fun exhibits but we shouldn't underestimate the power of just showing the raw truth (i.e not posters and PC screens) - nature is wonderful enough, it doesn't need a PC or laser lightshow to jazz it up. The which rocks are from space and why' type display always seem to go down well, kids will always love magnets.. Mark Hi Darryl, Just a few quick thoughts: Scale model of the solar system Meteorite hunting in a salted strewn field with magnet canes digital polarizing microscope with a cool thin section spectroscope Mars rover race Make a comet telescope observing Many of these ideas may not work for you. Could you tell us more about the event? Thanks, Peter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (OFFLIST) - Re: Famous Dave / media coverage in general was better this time round.
Having done quite a few interviews on this too I must admit I was quite impressed how the media do seem to be learning. They were making a genuine effort to ask rather than just speculating. And it was quite noticeable how facts like the casualty figures and bolide size and such were not too widely hyped upwards. If anything they were on the conservative side! There was a dreadfully slow news stream coming out of Russia, apart from the fantastic video footage, so this may have helped as essentially there was a limited 'pool of news' to draw from, so it all sounded quite similar. Certainly in the UK there has been a resurgence of interest in astronomy over the last few years, and I think this has helped vastly improve peoples background knowledge. Mark www.bimosicety.org -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorite-Recon.com Sent: 20 February 2013 08:53 To: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (OFFLIST) - Re: Famous Dave I absolutely agree. As we all know, media exposure is a double-edged sword and those who take the risk have my full support and recognition. If you distinguish between actual quotes and what the editors made up themselves then there is no question that Dave gave an excellent interview. As a matter of fact, he conveyed the fascination of meteorites in a very comprehensible and unpretentious way. And it speaks for Dave’s foresight that they didn’t get a quote of him involving actual figures of monetary value on the Russian material, which I’m sure, they tried. Best regards Svend www.meteorite-recon.com Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com hat am 20. Februar 2013 um 02:55 geschrieben: Thanks Sean. Dave is very intelligent in the field and a good proponent of the hobby/science. He does awesome outreach and his comments are commendable. I applaud his appearance. Each individual who goes public with the passion is knowingly always under the microscope by the community, but few make an intentional effort to be selfless and de-emphasize the inflated prices of meteorites the public may being be fed by the media around them. Congrats Dave on the spotlight and a beautiful pallasite :) My Best, Brandon D. On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote: Unfortunately, Dave did de-emphasize the hype on price - every time he was asked. The actual session was much longer... but that sound bite was the only clip they used from the entire interview. From his line of questioning, you can tell the reported really wanted to hear that it was worth bazillions. Sean. -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:19 PM To: Kevin Kichinka Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] (OFFLIST) - Re: Famous Dave I love your way of off-handedly giving out the medicine when it is needed. LOL. I would have ranted at him and made a jackass of myself in the process. You got the mission done with delicacy and measured means. Well done sir. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 2/19/13, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com wrote: Team Meteorite: I follow the list through the archives, so perhaps the link below has already been posted. Our friend and team memeber Dave Gheesling just enjoyed his 'fifteen minutes of fame'- well, probably 15 seconds anyway- on the American NBC Nightly News last night which is watched by millions around the world. He represented us well. As we've all noted watching the media attempt to describe the event in Russia, they struggle to differentiate between meteors, meteorites, bolides, fireballs and meteorite showers. And again, there is the buzz of value $$ factor, A piece of the meteorite is said to be worth $10,000! is proclaimed without suggesting how large a piece that might be. The public doesn't know a chondrite from a chondrule but they sure know what that rock is worth! I second a comment made by Mike Farmer during his interview with National Geographic linked by another listee, that if any of us ever get a chance to appear on the news, we de-emphasize the monetary part of the hobby, and re-emphasize the scientific part. Here's Dave on TV, and I watched it on cable from my home in Costa Rica! http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/50851327#50851327 From Nine Degrees North Kevin Kichinka Rio de Oro, Santa Ana, Costa Rica www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2013 mars...@gmail.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --
[meteorite-list] - Re: Famous Dave / media coverage in general was better this time round.
Having done quite a few interviews on this too I must admit I was quite impressed how the media do seem to be learning. They were making a genuine effort to ask rather than just speculating. And it was quite noticeable how facts like the casualty figures and bolide size and such were not too widely hyped upwards. If anything they were on the conservative side! There was a dreadfully slow news stream coming out of Russia, apart from the fantastic video footage, so this may have helped as essentially there was a limited 'pool of news' to draw from, so it all sounded quite similar. Certainly in the UK there has been a resurgence of interest in astronomy over the last few years, and I think this has helped vastly improve peoples background knowledge. Mark www.bimsociety.org -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorite-Recon.com Sent: 20 February 2013 08:53 To: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (OFFLIST) - Re: Famous Dave I absolutely agree. As we all know, media exposure is a double-edged sword and those who take the risk have my full support and recognition. If you distinguish between actual quotes and what the editors made up themselves then there is no question that Dave gave an excellent interview. As a matter of fact, he conveyed the fascination of meteorites in a very comprehensible and unpretentious way. And it speaks for Dave’s foresight that they didn’t get a quote of him involving actual figures of monetary value on the Russian material, which I’m sure, they tried. Best regards Svend www.meteorite-recon.com Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com hat am 20. Februar 2013 um 02:55 geschrieben: Thanks Sean. Dave is very intelligent in the field and a good proponent of the hobby/science. He does awesome outreach and his comments are commendable. I applaud his appearance. Each individual who goes public with the passion is knowingly always under the microscope by the community, but few make an intentional effort to be selfless and de-emphasize the inflated prices of meteorites the public may being be fed by the media around them. Congrats Dave on the spotlight and a beautiful pallasite :) My Best, Brandon D. On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote: Unfortunately, Dave did de-emphasize the hype on price - every time he was asked. The actual session was much longer... but that sound bite was the only clip they used from the entire interview. From his line of questioning, you can tell the reported really wanted to hear that it was worth bazillions. Sean. -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:19 PM To: Kevin Kichinka Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] (OFFLIST) - Re: Famous Dave I love your way of off-handedly giving out the medicine when it is needed. LOL. I would have ranted at him and made a jackass of myself in the process. You got the mission done with delicacy and measured means. Well done sir. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 2/19/13, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com wrote: Team Meteorite: I follow the list through the archives, so perhaps the link below has already been posted. Our friend and team memeber Dave Gheesling just enjoyed his 'fifteen minutes of fame'- well, probably 15 seconds anyway- on the American NBC Nightly News last night which is watched by millions around the world. He represented us well. As we've all noted watching the media attempt to describe the event in Russia, they struggle to differentiate between meteors, meteorites, bolides, fireballs and meteorite showers. And again, there is the buzz of value $$ factor, A piece of the meteorite is said to be worth $10,000! is proclaimed without suggesting how large a piece that might be. The public doesn't know a chondrite from a chondrule but they sure know what that rock is worth! I second a comment made by Mike Farmer during his interview with National Geographic linked by another listee, that if any of us ever get a chance to appear on the news, we de-emphasize the monetary part of the hobby, and re-emphasize the scientific part. Here's Dave on TV, and I watched it on cable from my home in Costa Rica! http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/50851327#50851327 From Nine Degrees North Kevin Kichinka Rio de Oro, Santa Ana, Costa Rica www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2013 mars...@gmail.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --
Re: [meteorite-list] Somewhat larger Chebarkul pieces off Russia 24 TV now
Thanks for posting those pics Bjørn. This fall has been amazing, but the most astounding thing is that no one in Russia seems to have a high resolution camera! :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: 19 February 2013 03:19 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Somewhat larger Chebarkul pieces off Russia 24 TV now I just photographed somewhat larger meteorites from Chelyabinsk/Chebarkul area off the russian TV channel Russia 24. Not so big, but improving. Starting with image 36 the two first is what local kids collected, the next 3 is what a local woman had found. The last images is what state searchers collected probably from the lake. Found here (copy the link to the browser): home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/ Bjørn __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)
Given there is probably more tkw of black beauty than chebarkul at the moment - give me 'the Russian blonde'! :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don Merchant Sent: 19 February 2013 13:14 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant Subject: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one) Hi List. What an exciting week in the world of meteorites/asteroids! So here goes...If you had only the choice of picking one small fragment for your collection what would it be. Here are the choices: Black Beauty Martian meteorite NWA 7034 or A fragment of the recent and most historic event of the Russian meteorite in Chebarkul. Lets just say for ships and giggles that if you pick one you can never have the other! Any thoughts? Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)
Aw, invoking shrodinger's cat is cheating! :) Ok, in this universe, i'll take the Russian, in the other one the Martian.. lol -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mendy Ouzillou Sent: 19 February 2013 15:57 To: Michael Farmer; Matt Morgan Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one) Agreed, they are both cool. So if Schrodinger's cat can be dead and alive at the same time, I would ignore the rules and get both. Mendy Ouzillou From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one) But one problem, the Russian fall is likely going to be relatively cheap, I am sure hundreds of kilos will be found and the price will likely be low. For $500 people will be able to buy one or many stones. $500 in black beauty gets you a speck hardly identifiable as a meteorite. Both are very interesting meteorites, scientifically the Mars is more interesting but dynamically the Russian fall is history-book material. No comparison in my opinion:) I'll be in Russia very soon, so get your pennies counted:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Why discriminate? Both are history-making meteorites in their own rights. Black Beauty is not just another Mars rock and the Russian fall is far from ordinary. We should see this as an opportunity (if there is the opportunity to own the Russian fall) and them both to our collections. Matt Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk wrote: Given there is probably more tkw of black beauty than chebarkul at the moment - give me 'the Russian blonde'! :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don Merchant Sent: 19 February 2013 13:14 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant Subject: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one) Hi List. What an exciting week in the world of meteorites/asteroids! So here goes...If you had only the choice of picking one small fragment for your collection what would it be. Here are the choices: Black Beauty Martian meteorite NWA 7034 or A fragment of the recent and most historic event of the Russian meteorite in Chebarkul. Lets just say for ships and giggles that if you pick one you can never have the other! Any thoughts? Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites PO Box 151293 Lakewood CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com Find Us on Facebook __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT article on Chebarkul meteorite
Since the NYT has accused us 'all' of undertaking 'largely illegal activities' by trading meteorites - I say we bring a class action of libel.. ? M. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: 19 February 2013 16:38 To: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Cc: Meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NYT article on Chebarkul meteorite The NYT is tabloid pseudo-news along the lines of the National Enquirer. They are the same publication that put out that hit-piece against meteorites last year where all of us were declared as a black market of illegal activity. It was little else besides slanderous statements, half-truths, and propaganda. In my eyes, what shred of journalistic integrity the NYT had (and that of the article's author) went out the window after they published that mess. I recall the IMCA even wrote a quasi-official (or official?) statement to rebut the lies and errors in the NYT article. You know an article is really really bad when the meteorite community feels it necessary to put together and release an official rebuttal. Of course, this NYT tripe will get picked up by tons of news wires and aggregators who will republish and churn it back out endlessly. While it's new, unknowing people will repost and like or recommend the article Facebook, further spreading the misinformation via social media. It's like a dirty herpes virus and I'm sure I won't be the only today playing damage control on Facebook with this latest NYT torpedo-job. This type of event is what makes me excited to wake up every morning and be involved in some small way with the world of meteorites and meteoritics. It's the reason almost everyone reading this is a member of a mailing-list like this - because Cherbarkul is what meteorite falls are all about. This is good good stuff and I loathe to see another rehash of the slanderous BS put out into the media. So if you are reading this, and later on you see a discussion in a forum/list/site somewhere about this event and somebody is quoting or referencing these craptastic NYT articles - please chime in politely but firmly and correct the misconceptions. It will be tedious, but it's necessary. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 2/19/13, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: A quote from the article: While trade in material from meteorites is largely illegal, there is a flourishing global market, with fragments widely available for sale on the Internet, usually at modest prices. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/world/europe/russian-scientists-say-they-found-meteorite-fragments.html?_r=0 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments Found From Russia Meteor Blast
So, what are we talking then .. an L6? Anyone care to pointlessly speculate on a classification, from the limited pics?! Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?
WOW - this Looks absolutely massive! Major damage to entire buildings, causing fires and roof collapse. - This could easily be the biggest fall in living memory! Mark Ford -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: 15 February 2013 07:17 To: Yinan Wang; METEORITE LIST Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event? Pieces on the ground? http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_worldid=8993349 The ministry said some fragments fell near the town of Satka, about 200 kilometers (120 miles) from the regional capital city of Chelyabinsk. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event? Hey List, Anyone hearing reports of a major meteor in Russia in the past few hours? Supposedly large shockwave blew out windows. Some interesting videos have been popping up on youtube, judge for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI -Yinan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteorite Event
Casualties up to 525.. I've just done an interview with the Guardian : http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/feb/15/meteorite-explodes-over-russian-urals-live-updates?intcmp=122 Mark Ford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?
I'm betting it's an Iron, Personally I don't think there's too much smoke, (look at the classic Skihote Alin painting for example!) What is strange is that in quite a few videos of the fireball there seems to be some odd features what I can only describe as 'puffs of extra fast smoke' spontaneously appearing almost like mini explosions along the trajectory as it travels. Maybe these are just shock fronts or water vapour from the supersonic trail, but ive not seem them before... Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Marcin Cimala Sent: 15 February 2013 13:25 Cc: METEORITE LIST Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event? Hey I dont know but this looks to me like big space junk, not a meteor. Too slow, too much smoke, no fragmentation like for example on Peekskill video. This will be interesting what did they find on the ground. Anyway I hope it will be 10 ton lunar :D -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Most damage from shockwave so farinteresting pictures and comments here...satellite picture and impact on lake possibleeven one mentions bits for sale already Graham On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Robin Whittle r...@firstpr.com.au wrote: The Russia Today page has video of the light of the meteor throwing moving shadows of buildings, in broad daylight. http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/ There is a report of 100 people being injured, none seriously, and two photos of a zinc factory (maybe a galvanizing factory) which was hit and damaged. This video shows the smoke trail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNPIyxwPlE Two YouTube videos which are better quality originals compared to the derivative versions in the news reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI - Robin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?
Latest casualties - 900 people!!! (Sky News) -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: 15 February 2013 13:37 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event? I'm betting it's an Iron, Personally I don't think there's too much smoke, (look at the classic Skihote Alin painting for example!) What is strange is that in quite a few videos of the fireball there seems to be some odd features what I can only describe as 'puffs of extra fast smoke' spontaneously appearing almost like mini explosions along the trajectory as it travels. Maybe these are just shock fronts or water vapour from the supersonic trail, but ive not seem them before... Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Marcin Cimala Sent: 15 February 2013 13:25 Cc: METEORITE LIST Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event? Hey I dont know but this looks to me like big space junk, not a meteor. Too slow, too much smoke, no fragmentation like for example on Peekskill video. This will be interesting what did they find on the ground. Anyway I hope it will be 10 ton lunar :D -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Most damage from shockwave so farinteresting pictures and comments here...satellite picture and impact on lake possibleeven one mentions bits for sale already Graham On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Robin Whittle r...@firstpr.com.au wrote: The Russia Today page has video of the light of the meteor throwing moving shadows of buildings, in broad daylight. http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/ There is a report of 100 people being injured, none seriously, and two photos of a zinc factory (maybe a galvanizing factory) which was hit and damaged. This video shows the smoke trail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNPIyxwPlE Two YouTube videos which are better quality originals compared to the derivative versions in the news reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI - Robin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT James Webb Space Telescope
Because it's based on expensive spy satellite technology! -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Yinan Wang Sent: 08 July 2011 08:07 To: Sterling K. Webb Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT James Webb Space Telescope Not to be critical of space development, but can someone give a basic cost breakdown of why this has cost $3,000,000,000.00 so far? -Yinan On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The JWST has turned into a long-term project, stretching out its schedule to later and later launch dates. That is not a bad thing because the project improves as it does so. The loss of a year's funding needs to be partly reversed so that the project and personnel can be maintained until the return of funding. It wouldn't matter if it took an extra year to complete. We're already three billion dollars into the job. Of course, Congress could always simply throw that money away; they ARE stupid enough. It's not like the SSC which we abandoned after spending two billion (1993) dollars in it. Oh, wait! It is exactly like that. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT James Webb Space Telescope Bummer! Does anyone have Bill Gates' phone number? http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/07/canadian-developed-space-telescope-nixed-by-u-s-congress/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/07/canadian-developed-space-telescope-nixed-by-u-s-congress/ Canadian developed space telescope nixed by U.S. Congress By Amy Chung and Max Harrold OTTAWA - Space researchers were reeling Thursday over a decision in the U.S. Congress to axe funding for the James Webb Space Telescope - a Canadian and European joint effort with NASA that would peer deeper into space. Canada has earmarked $147 million for the project. The U.S. House of Representatives Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science approved a yearly spending bill earlier in the day that includes no money for the JWST - the successor to the Earth-orbiting Hubble Telescope that was launched in 1990. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Offtopic Filter
There's off topic and there's off topic, Nasa sueing previous employees for stuff they have been given, COULD turn out to be relevant to meteorites, an awful lot of US institutions have traded state owned/Nasa materiel over the years for example.. Now and again doesn't hurt, and I prefer it to the bickering anytime Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler Sent: 06 July 2011 15:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Offtopic Filter Hi Jim, I think Sergei was trying to make a point. :-) There are too many people on this list who do stray from the topic of meteorites. NASA going after an ex-astronaut to get an old camera back has NOTHING to do with meteorites. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 1:43 PM To: Sergei Schmalz Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Offtopic Filter Sergei, Most email clients, both online and computer based, such as Outlook, etc. have just what you ask for. You might try looking at your own filters. Cheers, Jim Wooddell On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sergei Schmalz sergius...@yahoo.de wrote: Greetings! Please, could we have a filter, which, when switched on for a particular subscribed user, would filter out all offtopic non-meteorite messages (marked, say, by OT)? It's becoming a big daily burden to have to delete manually or even look through all these massive offtopic messages coming into my email box. Come on, I really dont have a need of NASA suing someone for a camera or Crabs out there on a METEORITE list! There's a plenty of other astronomy discussion boards and lists for that purpose. Thank you. With best regards Sergei Schmalz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3743 - Release Date: 07/04/11 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
Well spotted Hehe, (now who's rewriting history ;) lol. Seriously though I think the Astronauts should refuse to do any more PR work for Nasa over this, it's disgraceful. (Assuming the press reports are true of course). These Guys and girls put their lives on the line - Granted there's a potentially difference from cadging some scrap stuff from work and being officially awarded/given it in writing, but I can't help thinking this is more about 'recovering valuable items', rather than anything else Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of geo...@aol.com Sent: 04 July 2011 13:52 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to sell the camera they allowed him to have ... Edgar Mitchell wasn't on Apollo 11Michael Collins, Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
Yes but why is it 'a legal one' now as opposed to 30 years ago? -Original Message- From: James Sleep [mailto:jsl...@provide.net] Sent: 04 July 2011 14:38 To: Mark Ford Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut I think the problem is a simple legal one. It is probably like the owner of a business using business stuff for personal use. It is illegal. It was probably illegal to give away the camera, and other stuff, because it is material that belongs to the business-NASA. NASA is probably determined by law to sue to retrieve the objects or value of the objects. Just like the owner of a trademark is legally obliged to sue someone who uses that trademark illegally or risk losing the trademark. Sometimes it is the law that requires you to sue James -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:06 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut Well spotted Hehe, (now who's rewriting history ;) lol. Seriously though I think the Astronauts should refuse to do any more PR work for Nasa over this, it's disgraceful. (Assuming the press reports are true of course). These Guys and girls put their lives on the line - Granted there's a potentially difference from cadging some scrap stuff from work and being officially awarded/given it in writing, but I can't help thinking this is more about 'recovering valuable items', rather than anything else Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of geo...@aol.com Sent: 04 July 2011 13:52 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to sell the camera they allowed him to have ... Edgar Mitchell wasn't on Apollo 11Michael Collins, Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
Couldn't agree more and i'm not even American! (It saddens me to see the US slowly sliding ever downward, someone in the whitehouse really needs to take a good east). I never thought I would see the loss of US manned space flight in my lifetime, yet at the end of this week that will be it! Wonder if all the meteorite museum trades will be in question if they started chasing all ex Nasa/Government material - one wonders where it would end, which is why its lunacy, (and probably the result of Lawyers and pen pushers taking over from where intelligent scientists, engineers and good people once stood...) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: 04 July 2011 15:26 To: MexicoDoug Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut Hi Doug and List, Happy Fourth of July to our astronauts who are being harassed for having garage sales! What an absolute waste of taxpayer money and manpower (again). At what point did our government go an Syd Barrett acid trip and not come back? This kind of thing sickens me. It makes me ashamed to be associated in any way with our mentally-defective government. Has all common sense and decency gone out the window in this day of lawsuits and ignorance? The elites and their sycophants don't care that people are losing their homes, going hungry, and going without medical care in this country. But yet we can piss away vast sums of money to investigate, harass, and prosecute people for selling dusty swatches of tape and old obsolete cameras. It's friggin disgusting. I've been saying this for 20 years and now the people are finally catching up with what I have been saying - this government needs to be replaced from the ground up. It's broken, it's been co-opted by megalomaniac elitists, and the fed is being used as a tool to oppress the people. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves over 1000 things, and now this campaign of astronaut harassment makes it 1001 things. What message does this send to science-inspired youngsters who might pursue a career in the space program? --- Hey kids! You'll retire poor and your pension won't cover your basic expenses, so when you try to have a garage sale, you'll be harassed for it and threatened with criminal charges so we can prevent the spread of dirty tape and obsolete cameras! God Bless America! I really need to stop reading or answering these posts before my coffee kicks in. Is my vitriol running too freely this morning? LOL Best regards and best of luck to our HERO astronauts, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 7/4/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90053154?U.S.%20government%20sues%20former%20astronaut%20over%20lunar%20camera#ixzz1R7PMDp3p Dear list, This is a very relevant case to meteorites and should not be taken lightly. They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to sell the camera they allowed him to have ... the precedent, I suspect is the identical one to the dust on the tape, which didn't exist, but they are gunning for now. Again, we are faced with the erosion of sensible property rights, a violation of traditional English and Roman law regarding the importance of possession IMO, in an effort to legislation effort from the bench at its finest (sarcasm). The question at hand: Can we apply today's standards retroactively to say NASA was wrong to allow astronauts to have things that were of no use to NASA at the time and with the full knowledge of NASA allowed to be kept by those involved. After 40 years of knowledge that the astronaut possessed this camera and other sundry things, it becomes a precedent, and NASA is even painting an American hero with a scarlet letter of T for Thief From the article: During the Apollo mission era, Mitchell said he and other astronauts got permission to take mementos from the spacecrafts. We have dozens of pieces. All of us who flew to the moon, he said in a Palm Beach Post report. Mitchell's lawyer, Donald Jacobson, said, Objects from the lunar trips to the moon were ultimately mounted and then presented to the astronauts as a gift after they had helped NASA on a mission. The
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut
* someone in the whitehouse really needs to take a good look east). Opps typo -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: 04 July 2011 16:57 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut Couldn't agree more and i'm not even American! (It saddens me to see the US slowly sliding ever downward, someone in the whitehouse really needs to take a good east). I never thought I would see the loss of US manned space flight in my lifetime, yet at the end of this week that will be it! Wonder if all the meteorite museum trades will be in question if they started chasing all ex Nasa/Government material - one wonders where it would end, which is why its lunacy, (and probably the result of Lawyers and pen pushers taking over from where intelligent scientists, engineers and good people once stood...) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: 04 July 2011 15:26 To: MexicoDoug Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut Hi Doug and List, Happy Fourth of July to our astronauts who are being harassed for having garage sales! What an absolute waste of taxpayer money and manpower (again). At what point did our government go an Syd Barrett acid trip and not come back? This kind of thing sickens me. It makes me ashamed to be associated in any way with our mentally-defective government. Has all common sense and decency gone out the window in this day of lawsuits and ignorance? The elites and their sycophants don't care that people are losing their homes, going hungry, and going without medical care in this country. But yet we can piss away vast sums of money to investigate, harass, and prosecute people for selling dusty swatches of tape and old obsolete cameras. It's friggin disgusting. I've been saying this for 20 years and now the people are finally catching up with what I have been saying - this government needs to be replaced from the ground up. It's broken, it's been co-opted by megalomaniac elitists, and the fed is being used as a tool to oppress the people. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves over 1000 things, and now this campaign of astronaut harassment makes it 1001 things. What message does this send to science-inspired youngsters who might pursue a career in the space program? --- Hey kids! You'll retire poor and your pension won't cover your basic expenses, so when you try to have a garage sale, you'll be harassed for it and threatened with criminal charges so we can prevent the spread of dirty tape and obsolete cameras! God Bless America! I really need to stop reading or answering these posts before my coffee kicks in. Is my vitriol running too freely this morning? LOL Best regards and best of luck to our HERO astronauts, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 7/4/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90053154?U.S.%20government%20sues%20former%20astronaut%20over%20lunar%20camera#ixzz1R7PMDp3p Dear list, This is a very relevant case to meteorites and should not be taken lightly. They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to sell the camera they allowed him to have ... the precedent, I suspect is the identical one to the dust on the tape, which didn't exist, but they are gunning for now. Again, we are faced with the erosion of sensible property rights, a violation of traditional English and Roman law regarding the importance of possession IMO, in an effort to legislation effort from the bench at its finest (sarcasm). The question at hand: Can we apply today's standards retroactively to say NASA was wrong to allow astronauts to have things that were of no use to NASA at the time and with the full knowledge of NASA allowed to be kept by those involved. After 40 years of knowledge that the astronaut possessed this camera and other sundry things, it becomes a precedent, and NASA is even painting an American hero with a scarlet letter of T for Thief From the article: During the Apollo mission era, Mitchell said he and other
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell...
Hi Sterling and List, Hmm, don't tempt me! (actually Iv'e already built a probe (well a Helium Baloon, with Gamma probe and electronics) to go to into Nearspace, but somehow I think a moon shot might take me a while!! Maybe one day i'll get around to making a set of Massive Laser tweezers, and scoop some material off the lunar surface into an earth crossing trajectory!! ;) Seriously though - I'm fairly sure that in my lifetime some corporation or other (probably from China) will do a private sample return mission, so maybe i'll just hold out! Mark -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 27 June 2011 21:43 To: Mark Ford; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... Mark, List, Go Get Your Own Moon Rocks! What? You say you can't afford a small intra-planetary vehicle, a little robot to go to the Moon and collect a few kilos of Moon Rocks for you? No problemo. Then what you need is is to buy a share of a private space company's Lunar Return Mission, right? Like: http://www.interorbital.com/Lunar%20Sample%20Return_1.htm All that is needed to secure a share of returned lunar material is a 10% deposit (against a $7500/gm cost). You say all you want is to put a micro-satellite into low Earth orbit, you say? They have a satellite kit (with launch included) for only $8,000: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/tubesat-personal-satellite/ You even get a free second launch if the first one fails. More about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interorbital_Systems IOS holds an active Office of Commercial Space Transportation Launch License... is currently working on a line of launch vehicles aimed at winning the Google Lunar X Prize. The company was also a competitor for both the Ansari X-Prize and America's Space Prize... Sterling K. Webb Disclaimer: All email purchase advice is worth no more than the electrons used to send the emil, and my liability is limited to the cost of said electrons, which I would refund by mailing you a small, used button battery. - Original Message - From: Mark Ford mark.f...@ssl.gb.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... Personally I completely disagree with the cost estimate of 5-8 billion, a simple small robotic sample mission really ought to be not too difficult (Russia did Lunar sample return on a total shoestring in the 60's). I would send a simple, small lander, grab some rocks in a scoop then take off and return. (Turning the mission into a full rover prospecting mission is bound to increase the cost drastically!) The stardust mission for example cost around $200 Million (that was a sample return all be it a space capture). A lunar sample return would be much cheaper than a Martian one obviously, but small mars rocket motor designs and a return module have already been studied in several different NASA/ESA feasibility proposals, and I would be surprised if they cost anything like 5 Billion, I rekon it could be done for less than $500 Million, if it was a simple small grab and return system. I'd also do it using a cheaper and more fuel efficient return method than traditionally, such as Ion engine technology, it would take much longer but would require much less of a fuel payload than a conventional return to earth would, then I would advocate using the ISS as a capture and return lab, rather than risking a traditional re-entry, this would save money too, as you wouldn't be returning a complete re-entry vehicle back from mars! I think you would easily sell a few kilos of Apollo moon rock with no trouble at all, there are enough rich billionaires (probably they would not even be meteorite collectors) out there who would snap it up, it would be a truly unique opportunity this would attract plenty of speculators -it would be a different market than meteorite samples. Besides plenty of people would buy microscopic amounts (put me down for an Apollo 11 super-micro any time!!). Best, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 27 June 2011 13:13 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... Hi Mark, I estimate we probably could fund an automatic sample return mission to both mars [and] to the moon, just for the 'cost' of a few off cut Apollo lunar chunks.. Well the cost estimation of an automatic Mars sample return mission, then a cooperation between NASA ESA - a rover probing different Martian rocks on surface - and where 500grams shall be expedited back to Earth - is estimated
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell...
I certainly don't think NASA should sell all the moon rock, but I don't see any harm in selling off a few very carefully selected waste pieces (currently they even count back and store all the waste dust from cutting losses!), there must be a large amount of material that is contaminated by the terrestrial environment by processing/handling etc, that has no special value to science (it's useless). Especially if this money was genuinely used to further space research (naively assuming it really was used for this!), it could actually be used to fund a lot more space/lunar research! I estimate we probably could fund an automatic sample return mission to both mars [and] to the moon, just for the 'cost' of a few off cut Apollo lunar chunks.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 27 June 2011 08:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... To sell the Apollo rocks? Have you taken leave of your senses?!? Those rocks, which the heroes of my youth brought back, risking their lives, and in the greatest technical adventure of all times?? You're all watching too much TV! Too much science fiction! We can't go around in the solar system in that way you're taking a cab! Manned spaceflight is extremely difficult and extremely dangerous. Look what we can do. At the moment we have an assemblage of tin cans in such a low orbit, a kind of water ski in spaceflight, in a so low orbit, that the grandmas call the police, whenever the ISS cross over their heads! And more we cannot! Now we are all trembling, that the little box called Dawn will not fail and send us some data from the front garden of our tiny solar system. Lunar materials, think to the millions of man-hours spent in the deserts, to assemble the tiny pile of lunar meteorites, so small and light-weighted, that everyone of us can lift it without difficulties. (And think about that, whenever your nose starts to wrinkle, when such a specimen offered is lousy 100 bucks more expensive per gram than you expected.) And although I feel still quite healthy, I won't live to see a man or woman on Moon again (not to mention Mars). Really. Rather sell the Brooklyn Bridge. And which meteorites shall NASA sell? Those from ANSMET? That isn't possible because the Antarctic Treaty prevents that, and hey - we're all buyers and sellers of meteorites, so we definitely know, that the revenues would be out of absolutely all proportion to the expenses paid to collect these meteorites. And thus, it would be even probably elements of offence, a misappropriation. Huh, we're just selling a brachinite, the freshest available, where in 36 years of Antarctic searches by all countries together not more than 3 different were found, together half a pound. And we are selling that one in slices and not in bulk - and at a total, wherefore you can pay having an ANSMET-Team exactly one single day on the ice! These are the relations. It is absolutely necessary, that the ANSMET meteorites stay in the courtesy of governmental institutes and universities - their acquisition was expensive enough! (No offense, in my eyes these costs are fully justified). To sell them on the market would bring in peanuts compared to that, what the taxpayer had spent for them. And Richard, who says, that NASA wouldn't buy meteorites? Nasa consists of hundreds of departments - of course if you address to the janitor, he won't buy a meteorite. But those exploring the solar system do, of course. And the abnormal opinion of people, pretending to be scientists interested in meteorites, that a Moon or a chondrite is per se a crime, that you found at best in countries with an underdeveloped meteorite research like e.g. Australia or Oman, but certainly not in USA. ;-) Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell...
Personally I completely disagree with the cost estimate of 5-8 billion, a simple small robotic sample mission really ought to be not too difficult (Russia did Lunar sample return on a total shoestring in the 60's). I would send a simple, small lander, grab some rocks in a scoop then take off and return. (Turning the mission into a full rover prospecting mission is bound to increase the cost drastically!) The stardust mission for example cost around $200 Million (that was a sample return all be it a space capture). A lunar sample return would be much cheaper than a Martian one obviously, but small mars rocket motor designs and a return module have already been studied in several different NASA/ESA feasibility proposals, and I would be surprised if they cost anything like 5 Billion, I rekon it could be done for less than $500 Million, if it was a simple small grab and return system. I'd also do it using a cheaper and more fuel efficient return method than traditionally, such as Ion engine technology, it would take much longer but would require much less of a fuel payload than a conventional return to earth would, then I would advocate using the ISS as a capture and return lab, rather than risking a traditional re-entry, this would save money too, as you wouldn't be returning a complete re-entry vehicle back from mars! I think you would easily sell a few kilos of Apollo moon rock with no trouble at all, there are enough rich billionaires (probably they would not even be meteorite collectors) out there who would snap it up, it would be a truly unique opportunity this would attract plenty of speculators -it would be a different market than meteorite samples. Besides plenty of people would buy microscopic amounts (put me down for an Apollo 11 super-micro any time!!). Best, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 27 June 2011 13:13 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... Hi Mark, I estimate we probably could fund an automatic sample return mission to both mars [and] to the moon, just for the 'cost' of a few off cut Apollo lunar chunks.. Well the cost estimation of an automatic Mars sample return mission, then a cooperation between NASA ESA - a rover probing different Martian rocks on surface - and where 500grams shall be expedited back to Earth - is estimated in the 5-8 billion $ range. Makes up a gram price, if you want to cover it with the sale of half of the Apollo rocks, of something around 35k$. (But who shall buy that stuff? - after 13 years STILL not all of DaG 400 is sold, and that at current prices around 1k$/g - and that stone had only 1.4kg...). Hmm, my last mail didn't made it through. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Ford Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 13:41 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... I certainly don't think NASA should sell all the moon rock, but I don't see any harm in selling off a few very carefully selected waste pieces (currently they even count back and store all the waste dust from cutting losses!), there must be a large amount of material that is contaminated by the terrestrial environment by processing/handling etc, that has no special value to science (it's useless). Especially if this money was genuinely used to further space research (naively assuming it really was used for this!), it could actually be used to fund a lot more space/lunar research! I estimate we probably could fund an automatic sample return mission to both mars [and] to the moon, just for the 'cost' of a few off cut Apollo lunar chunks.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 27 June 2011 08:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA could sell... To sell the Apollo rocks? Have you taken leave of your senses?!? Those rocks, which the heroes of my youth brought back, risking their lives, and in the greatest technical adventure of all times?? You're all watching too much TV! Too much science fiction! We can't go around in the solar system in that way you're taking a cab! Manned spaceflight is extremely difficult and extremely dangerous. Look what we can do. At the moment we have an assemblage of tin cans in such a low orbit, a kind of water ski in spaceflight, in a so low orbit, that the grandmas call the police, whenever the ISS cross over their heads! And more we cannot! Now we are all trembling, that the little box called Dawn will not fail and send us some data from the front garden of our tiny solar system. Lunar
Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
Yes, sounds like they want meteorites that look like buildings rather than make a building to look like a meteorite! :) Yuk - it really looks nothing like a meteorite IMHO - it's more like a collapsed tin can, - why not have jet black fusion crust over the exterior, which absorbs solar heat and saves energy bills? The inside is a missed opportunity too - Personally I thought that the latest design trends in modern buildings were moving away from silver balls hanging in corridors and white 1960's tables.. Interesting though, thanks for the link. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jan Bartels Sent: 21 June 2011 19:25 To: Matthias Bärmann; Pete Pete; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites Well I was invited on the grand opening today but unfortunatly couldn't make it. The Campo is there indeed but I can't really say where they placed it. Funny thing is they called me last week for advise.. They wanted the Campo shine like silver when the sunbeams would hit it and asked me how to make it look like as shiny as possible. Of course I strongly advised them to keep it as natural as possibledoubt it if they did :-) I'm going to visit them shortly and hopefully they didn't torture the poor thing too much... Best, Jan - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de To: Jan Bartels meteori...@online.nl; Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites That's pretty cool indeed, Jan. Is the Campo already there? I couldn't find it on the photos. Btw. such kind of light performance was well known to the anonymous architects of the medieval cathedrals: One of the oldest Gothic cathedrals in France is Chartres cathedral. This cathedral is aligned to the summer solstice. On the summer solstice the Sun shines through the window of 'Saint Apollinaire' with a depiction of the Roman sun god Apollo and its rays fall straight on an iron nail in the floor of the cathedral. (see http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/The%20mystery%20of%20the%20Cathedrals.html , with photo) Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Jan Bartels meteori...@online.nl To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites Cool isn't it? I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo. This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment the astronomical summer begins. How cool is that? Best, Jan IMCA #9833 Holland - Original Message - From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars Sam Biddle-Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception-except it looks like an astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite impact. Snip __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6226 (20110621) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6227 (20110621) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok
Hi, The facts are, as of a minute ago, that there has been no containment vessel breach in any of the reactors. Therefore, there has been no significant release of radiation. Nobody...nobody.. has received an exposure that would cause any measurable harm. I don't care what you've read, seen, or heard. I wouldn't exactly call 1.06 Sv/hr 'no significant radiation' .. (this was measured outside the plant). but your right, the media have been making some pretty silly statements, but then it's not exactly helped by the 'lack' of accurate info coming from the Government of Japan either! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: 16 March 2011 05:43 To: John.L.Cabassi; 'Meteorite List' Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok Hello John and List, I know it is difficult when the media, almost to a man, has opted to sensationalize, rather than calmly release the facts. I haven't seen one headline that hasn't promoted a panic in it's wording. Then, as I read the body copy it becomes apparent through the use of qualifiers like, maybe, possible and might, that what was touted hasn't actually occurred. The headline doesn't turn out to be just misleading..it's actually a lie. I was shocked at Sheppard Smith's opener yesterday on Fox. He all but said we were going to die. And they sent this hysteric to Japan to report on something he doesn't know anything about. Also, I didn't know that our popular Japanese/American cosmologist with the salt and pepper hair...I forgot his name...but he's on many a metoritic program, is a blatantly anti-nuke. He gets on the air and calls for all nuke plants to be shut down. I fell out of my chair. How could a guy with letters after his name and so immersed in the study and teaching of the cosmos...which owes it's existence to fission and fusion hold such a position? The facts are, as of a minute ago, that there has been no containment vessel breach in any of the reactors. Therefore, there has been no significant release of radiation. Nobody...nobody.. has received an exposure that would cause any measurable harm. I don't care what you've read, seen, or heard. What has happened, is that some fuel rod assemblies have been damaged by loss of coolant and resulting overtemp. They can melt into each other, but they can't burn through the vessel, or start a fire, as there is no graphite in the GE design. The Japanese are faced with a cooling and containment issue that is exacerbated by the loss of power, pumps, valves, piping and coolant. But, industrious and versatile as they are...they will handle it. And they'll do it wearing the correct color uniform and helmet. So, my read in the face of all the sky is falling is that this is as bad as it going to get and the worse is over. Plant personnel have reduced temps everywhere and what little ionizing radiation released was harmless before it got over the fence. Watch..soon the media is going to realize that tens of thousands of Japanese are dead by being drowned and squished...and the goddamn power plant didn't kill any of them. Intelligent, thinking human beings with real pride and admiration for the accomplishments of others would be championing the success of their brothers and sisters in being able to design and construct a set of reactors that could survive at the epicenter of one of the strongest earthquakes in the history of the world and take a direct hit from a 20 meter high tsunami. Too much to ask for?...Pass the iodine and get the meter out of the cabinet. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:08 PM To: countde...@earthlink.net, 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok G'Day Count I've been watching your comments on the situation in Japan due to the earthquake and tsunami and what possible consequences could alleviate due to the nuclear reactors that generate power for Japan. Your comments calmed me down on the prospects of a catastrophe. But currently with information, not from news media but from close friends, this situation is not bright. I fear for the Japanese. It's not good and I fear for the rest of us in this situation on all continents. Nuclear fusion as it may be a god send, it can also be the ultimate deterrent. I just hope things improve for those within the vicinity of these reactors. You cannot and never say they're ultimately safe. I'm not a nuclear scientist or any way involved in these situations. But there's a problem here and with your earlier posts, that everything's fine, I'm a little worried. I do this every day, not with radiation but with people's lives and I try to be to the point. I do not give them false
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Finds New Life Form
To be honest i'm not sure their paper is that much more flawed than many papers of this type are - after all the point of publishing a paper is simply to initiate discussion, encourage people to repeat the experiment and prompt for counter arguments. They can't answer all the questions in one paper. I think the mistake many people make is attach too much weight to one lonely science paper, rather, we should wait until others have repeated/refuted the claims. I think the problem comes from a PR point of view when they do 'world wide' announcements, that are over hyped up. They seemingly didn't learn from the Martian meteorite life one did they.. The danger of using the 'NASA' name to seemingly add creedance to a claim in this way, is at some point you are going to shoot yourself in the foot, and when (if) they do ever find real alien life, is any one going to believe it? Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: 08 December 2010 08:00 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Finds New Life Form What's up with the NASA junk science? First it's psuedo-fossils in meteorites, now a phony not-new life form. What's next, cold fusion? -- For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. (SW) Phil Whitmer And, the blowback: http://rrresearch.blogspot.com/2010/12/arsenic-associated-bacteria-nasas .html http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Sets News Conference onAstrobiologyDiscovery
You win!! -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe Sent: 30 November 2010 04:02 To: Meteorite Central Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Sets News Conference onAstrobiologyDiscovery NWA 998 Main Mass: http://www.lunarrock.com/NWA998/nwa998MainMass.jpg Oh-Ya!!! - Original Message - From: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Sets News Conference on AstrobiologyDiscovery Listees... Sales of my remaining specimens of NWA 998 have been suspended until further notice. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ It must have leaked out that NWA 998 is the most fossil-rich meteorite ever found or perhaps they found some more in other Nahklites. http://skymania.com/wp/2010/04/new-meteorite-clues-to-life-on-mars.html It will be interesting to hear what the big boys have to say. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer
the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers, velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't list have to also be taken into consideration. Except that Computers, Velcro and Freeze dried foods where NOT invented by Nasa for the space program! - The hook-and-loop fastener (Velcro) was invented in 1941 by Swiss engineer, George de Mestral from Commugny, Switzerland - Computers where invented in the 1940's and already in widespread in academia BEFORE the Apollo era. - Freeze dried foods where used by the Inca's, and in Victorian England. The often misquoted Lunar program spin offs where not nearly as widespread as is often touted, granted there were many advances, but using the few spin off's as sole justification for multibillion dollar space programs is maybe stretching it.. We should go back to the moon though for sure! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of almi...@localnet.com Sent: 29 November 2010 08:21 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer Hi Richard and all, If one figures the cost of going to the moon the returned lunar material as the only benifit, then the cost of $44,537,594.97 would be correct. However there were many, many other benifits as well. All of the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers, velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't list have to also be taken into consideration. There are thousands of things that mankind has benifited from the space program. I would suggest that the cost of the lunar material coming from the moon to be only one of those benifits and the cost of the lunar material to be in the $50,000 to $200,000 per gram range. I have no effective way to figure exactly but my guess non the less. Most respectfully --AL Mitterling Quoting Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com: Below was my response to Shawn. Richard Kowalski ~~~ Pretty easy one Shawn, but I'm not sure it'll be the one you are thinking of, and I'm sure I won't be the 10th correct submission... Hadley Rille The Apollo missions cost, in 2005 dollars, ~170 Billion dollars. Returning with a total of 381.7 kg of material, thus each gram costs a whopping $44,537,594.97, so this is the cost, per gram of Hadley Rille, 5 years ago. The price has increased since then... Since Hadley Rille was an estimated in weight at 3 milligrams, the total cost of the entire meteorite was, again in 2005 dollars, $133,612.77 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Black Friday Sale, 30-50% OFF, plus bonus freebies and more!
I blame 'The Cabbage Patch Dolls' they started it... -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: 26 November 2010 04:17 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Black Friday Sale, 30-50% OFF,plus bonus freebies and more! Hi Listees, For those of you outside the US or outside the influence of Western materialism, we Americans go through a bizarre and sadomasochistic ritual every year called Black Friday. In essence, otherwise-rational people stampede each other in a mad rush to buy up the latest electronic gadgets and trendy toys. US retailers stoke the fires by offering a wide range of sales gimmicks designed to make their offerings stand out from the competition. It's all insanity, but it is big business here and everyone gets in on the madness, including small businesses. I've worked in corporate retail management, so I have seen this Black Friday phenomenon from both sides - the consumer and the vendor. One thing I can state from experience, there are very few Black Friday sales that are worth lining up for hours in the cold, waiting for the store open, and most sensible buyers do their shopping on the internet from the warmth of their homes. In the spirit of Black Friday madness, I am offering some steep discounts on everything in the store and some great freebie giveaways. Many of these items would make ideal out of this world gifts for that friend or family member who has everything. Why go out and battle the crowds, when you can stay home and do your shopping online at Galactic Stone? So without further ado, here are the sale details - Discount #1 - 30% OFF everything in the store. Use coupon code blackfri at checkout. Discount #2 - 50% OFF all NASA, Apollo and Space collectibles. Use coupon code nasa at checkout. Freebie #1 - For every $25 spent, the buyer receives a free meteorite micromount of their choice (any micromount regular price $10 or less) Freebie #2 - One lucky buyer will be selected at random (from now until midnight EST) to receive a free Mars Rock or Moon Rock display (buyer's choice, a $49 value!) Newest Offerings include - NWA 6290 diogenite, NWA 6077 brachinite, NWA 6393 howardite, Tagish Lake C2-ung, Mount Egerton aubrite, Henbury iron, NWA 6391 diogenite, NWA 6394 rumuruti chondrite, elemental Iridium, and more. See the latest items here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new/?page=1s=newest Gift Ideas and Stocking Stuffers - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/christmas-ideas NASA and Apollo collectibles (50% OFF!) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/nasa-space Stabilized Campo del Cielo irons (big high-quality specimens) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/iron-meteorites Exclusive and exotic displays (great gifts!) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/riker-box-displays Trinitite (Genuine Atom Bomb Glass) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/trinitite I ship worldwide and I ship promptly. For ease of payment during the holiday season, I accept checks, money orders, cash, livestock, and PayPal. If you have any problems with checkout or the discount coupons, contact me via email - meteoritem...@gmail.com Thanks for looking and have a great holiday weekend! MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] meteorites of course
I agree with Dave, there are loads of 'cleaned and treated' milli's around, but ones that are among the first found and in un cleaned state are probably unique so will likely have more value imho... Mark -Original Message- From: imca-boun...@imcamail.de [mailto:imca-boun...@imcamail.de] On Behalf Of HARRIS DAVID Sent: 25 November 2010 12:39 To: Crystal Encounters Cc: i...@imcamail.de Subject: Re: [IMCA] meteorites of course No!!! Leave it! best dave IMCA 0092 Sec. BIMS www.bimsociety.org On 25/11/2010, Crystal Encounters m...@crystalencounters.com.au wrote: Hi everyone, I need some advice on Millbillillie meteorites. I have just acquired a few that have been put away since they were first found in the late 1960's. They all have the famous red stain on them, but some have loose soil still attached. This soil makes them dull to look at but probably unique. Do I wash the dirt off? Regards, Frank Cheshire IMCA8213 ___ Imca mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imca CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I have a problem with some rusting meteorites
The mistake many people make is they concentrate only on moisture control (which is still very important), but we should also worry about oxygen. The use of Oxygen scavengers has been standard in most museums for years now - I recommend them , they are little sachets that contain oxygen absorbing chemical, they need to be replaced periodically, and cannot be recharged like dessicant. Many food manufacturers use them by the bucket load. This stops the other main ingredient of rust! If someone can find out what chemical they use, you could probably buy the chemical powder and make your own, for not much money. Also a sacrificial piece of metal (magnesium or similar) would also eat up free oxygen, which might be a cheap alternative. There are also 'VCI sprays' and VCI foam pads which emit a thin film of molecular oil which helps prevent air getting to the surface of the iron, though these do work they are not all that effective. I did some trials with them and didn't actually notice much of an effect long term over no use. As always dessicant is only effective if you change it regularly , remember that once it is saturated with moisture it is like having a puddle of water in your cabinet when the humidity goes down a bit, the water will re evaporate into the air again - so change it every few weeks! Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Whites dfx good for meteorte hunting??
Hello, is this a good detector for meteorite hunting? Any other good alternative? Oh go on, let me.. drum roll.. 'You don't need a metal detector just go into the woods, find a forked stick...' (sorry just couldn't resist that one!) :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of André Moutinho Sent: 24 October 2010 20:09 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Whites dfx good for meteorte hunting?? Hello, is this a good detector for meteorite hunting? Any other good alternative? I already use a Whites goldmaster gmt but would like to get a better one with bigger coil. The cost to replace the GMT lead me to think in another detector. Thanks Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd’s computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unconscious Ideomotor Response Test
Thank you for the video links (that totally disprove dowsing works). You can clearly see the right hand 'twitching/bending' almost intentionally as she reaches over the iron!! The rest is just Momentum for sure. I don't think ANYBODY denies bent rods will cross over objects what is at issue here is do they do it in direct response to the object or in response to the human stimulus of seeing or moving over the object (because they want it too). I guarantee you wouldn't be able to find 10 buried iron meteorites hidden in a ploughed field, (i'll bet half my meteorite collection on it). Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: 21 October 2010 00:32 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unconscious Ideomotor Response Test Here are two examples of the unconscious ideomotor response in action. The female subject had never heard of dowsing, yet by pure coincidence her ideomotor responded the same as mine. http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/?action=viewcurrent=Gi beonDowsing.mp4 http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/?action=viewcurrent=x1 02010015.mp4 I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as they do astrology, as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. Albert Einstein --- Phil Whitmer -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Strange that you are happy believe that a stick is able to point to a meteorite all by itself, yet don't accept that lie detectors work (despite a considerable weight of research), and think that the Steward Observatory, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, the European Southern Observatory, Leiden University in the Netherlands and Germany's Max-Planck-Institute for Astronomy, have photoshopped an exoplanet pic?? After all didn't you say.. First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the authority of idiots. :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: 17 October 2010 23:53 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?! Those pictures look computer enhanced (photo-shopped) to me, I was thinking more along the lines of something like this: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-mars.html You know, real pictures. Phil Whitmer -- I'm going to need to see a visible light photograph of an exoplanet to confirm their existence. Here it is: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101015105935.htm Next? Will the next in line please step forward? Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! and go test it yourself!
If you are going to bury an iron then be sure to bury it in two sealed ziplock plastic bags, that way it won't harm it at all. I did this when I was testing a new magnetometer system, I designed earlier in the year, the Iron I buried is still rust free. Mark F CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)
Hi Mike, No need top apologise, I don't think discussing ways of finding meteorites is off topic (on a meteorite forum), even if that means discussing some of the more controversial methods. Even though I don't personally think it works (yes I have tried it) I certainly think it was still well worth a discuss. I guess we go back to bickering and advertising giveaways now.. M. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Murray Sent: 14 October 2010 21:14 To: Chris Peterson Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron) Hi Chris, List I for one, certainly appreciate your opinions. I have a great deal of respect for your knowledge and abilities. I'm glad you're willing to share the things you do with the List. I would miss it if you didn't. If I haven't thanked you before for the things you share, I will now. Thank you. And I mean that sincerely. List, hopefully we have reviewed at least my original post about the use of the rods all we need to. I have had someone contact me who did not elaborate but their wish was for me to stop please. I presume they are wanting fewer emails. I intend to respect that wish at least on this topic. I don't know exactly where the thread is off to now. Because I don't think some of what I see now being brought up actually pertains to my first post exactly. I believe I will have to relinquish responsibility for the thread at this juncture. I will apologize now for any headaches the number of emails to this point has caused anyone. However I must admit, I have enjoyed the discussion immensely. Thanks all, Mike in CO On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: Actually, new ideas that are RIGHT have generally been accepted fairly quickly. It is a myth of the pseudoscientist that so many great minds have been considered wrong or crazy, and that the establishment has usually been wrong. It is entirely appropriate that new ideas be viewed with some skepticism before they are accepted, however. In fact, it is science that tells us very clearly that divining rods do not work. This is something that has been put to the test, and failed that test. Nobody can actually demonstrate that they work any better than random chance. Only a fool would ignore that reality in favor of quotes (some of dubious origin). Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly in the same category. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over a large iron) Chris, I fully support the eviction of superstition from the human mind. BUT... Non believers and naysayers of radical ideas are typically, historically, and statistically, often wrong! People said the Wright brothers couldn't fly. But they did. People said you would die if you went faster than a few tens of MPH. They were wrong. People disbelieved DaVinci's inventions. But modern science proved many to be possible. People said it wasn't possible to fly to the Moon. Be we did. People slammed Tesla, and persecuted him and his free wireless electricity. Yet today we know induction charging and energy transmission over distance is real. I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Thomas Edison If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers. - General Colin Powell ...The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter - for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and labors and hopes Nikola Tesla Thomas Jefferson, with such a great mind on politics and human advancement still had problems and could be considered a naysayer when he said. I would more easily believe that a Yankee professor would lie than that stones would fall from heaven. - Thomas Jefferson Closedmindedness is the enemy of progress. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
In my experience, divining really just doesn't work, trouble is we want it to work, because it seems like it should, but if anyone has ever seen a so called psychic using a pendulum, you can see just what's going on. Positive reinforcement is a powerful thing! Notice how a device that's supposed to find water holes now seems to be able to find lay lines, gold, meteorites, water pipes, gas pipes, lost dogs, mineral viens. Etc etc!!! - dosen't this say something about human nature? i.e We are capable to duping ourselves into believing complete rubbish! Which is why I don't [still] don't walk under ladders, despite being a total skeptic!! Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Divining and dowsing-a question
Well said that man. I recall a few years ago when BIMS did a meteorite exhibition, one of the things we had on the stand was a classic meteorwrong (a piece of weathered marcasite), it was in front of a bunch of real meteorites. A women came up to the stand wearing various large beads around her neck, and said she was interested in 'crystal healing'. She picked up the nearest rock which unknown to her was the Marcasite!, and she said, wow I can really feel the energy coming off this meteorite, they are much more powerful than normal rocks you can always tell... this says it all imho!! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David R. Vann Sent: 14 October 2010 15:07 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Divining and dowsing-a question Without getting too deeply into word origins - divining means to prophesy the future - from God's lips to mine ears - and few dowsers claim to be so well connected - so 'divining rods' seems quite the misnomer - Between those going back and forth as to whether a given set of experiments was 'properly done' (which, among the lay, in my experience tends to mean 'giving the results I like'), there seems to be an issue about the 'science' and 'scientists' who may or may not know anything about the field of dowsing, I would like to pose the following, non-scientific question: If dowsing actually works, as claimed by some, why then can I not find a entry for dowsing services in the Yellow Pages? Don't you think, that if this really worked, there would be a great demand for these highly specialized persons, leading to a well-regulated, credentialled and well-paid guild? I mean, that's what has happened with every other skill that works... Just sayin' David R. Vann __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '.001 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
Sorry how can there be 100% chance of life??? The temperature is suspected to be very approx -20C on a good day, we know nothing about any atmosphere (it could have lost it for all we know), we know nothing about the chemical structure of the planet, and we don't even have a highly accurate idea of the distances. Don't forget to read the fine print on these discoveries LIKE THE ERROR BARS! Granted there is possibly more chance of life there than most places to date we have seen but let's not go over the top here, (our moons in 'the habitable zone' but doesn't have life last time I looked...) The earth is still a statistically lucky place to live.. Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Catering Book
Haha - me too, I had to read it three times to see Cratering! Must be lunchtime Just for fun: - There must be some 'edible' meteorite related cuisine, I remember the classic Eclipse cakes during the last total eclipse in Europe, rock cakes of course any more anyone? Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of e-mail ensoramanda Sent: 06 October 2010 11:39 To: Dennis Miller Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book Hi All, Just had to share thiswhen this post came up after all the talk of eating meteorites I completely misread it and thought there was actually a new Meteorite CATERING book!!gave me a good laugh anyway. So anyone got any recipes to go with the Tucson Auction Cake? Perhaps we can put our own book together... Franconia Frangipane served in a Gold Basin with a side order of Tucson Ring doughnuts? Must be nearly lunchtime :-) Graham, Nr Bar-well! UK On 6 October 2010 02:13, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Anita and all I sent a post a few weeks ago about this publication. It can be purchased through The Geological Society of America for $99 and if you are a member of the GSA, it's only $70. 1-888-443-4472 This is just one of many reasons to join the GSA. If more meteorite collectors were members, we would have a better avenue, through the GSA, to change some of these vague laws for collecting space material. Dennis Miller GSA Associate Member Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:49:13 -0700 From: anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book Dear List: I received notice of this new book on cratering. It's a little pricey at $112.92, but here's the link if you're interested: http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page8278.html Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite
Hi Martin, Technically there are space treaty's that are already in place, though not everyone is signed up or ratified (as usual with treaty's!). So no nation has recognized rights of ownership over space. (Basically this is a massive cop out), and as far as i'm concerned whoever recovers the rock is the owner, so any volunteers to go to Mars and get it?! To be honest we are a long way off ownership disputes on Mars, as we can't even agree over who owns the oil under the Arctic!! Nearer on the horizon is just wait till they start Harvesting He3 from the Moon - that will probably cause some clashes!! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 06 October 2010 15:49 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Uh, Also that rock, which is without any doubts an iron meteorite, causes an intellectual problem for me. You know, some people/countries state that one essential property, a immanent property of any meteorite, whether found or not, is, that it is a c u l t u r a l heritage. What shall we do now with this meteorite? If that legal definition is correct, then it must be a cultural heritage. But of whom? And so far we have no evidence that once on that far planet Mars life had exist, life at all, even not intelligent life, able to develop a culture. So what shall we do with that lump? It's without doubts a meteorite. Or is it in the end the counter-evidence, that the definition of meteorites per se being cultural items, is wrong? ? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 16:31 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Uh Mike, will you beat me up, when I say, that for me in such pictures the soil around is always more fascinating, hence Mars itself instead of Campo on Mars? Eeeek.. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 04:25 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Sorry if this has already been posted, but this pic is incredible: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/gallery/pia13418.html Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - shame on you!
So you'll be giving back all your NWA's will you? -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Steve Dunklee Sent: 21 September 2010 22:20 To: tricottetc...@live.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - shame on you! If you have a meteorite found on the school parking lot it belongs to the school! Was the school or local government paid for the stone?schools by law are state land and the state would be the owner. Give it back to the school. Steve On Tue Sep 21st, 2010 4:46 PM EDT The Tricottet Collection wrote: Dear list, I have several specimens with in situ pictures available for sale or trade: * Villalbeto de la Pena, full slice of 3.3 grams * Holbrook fragments from 2007 find featured in Meteorite magazine (~40 grams) * Ash Creek stone of 5.5 grams * Ash Creek stone of 29.2 grams * Mifflin crusted fragment of 1.2 grams, found on Iowa Grant School parking lot Also 15 shergottites, paired with NWA 2975 (total 6+ grams) most pictures here: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/catalog_met.html Thank you A.M. The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite may have landed in Clare
Someone send Astronomy Ireland a meteorite price list for gods sake.. M. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: 15 September 2010 21:12 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite may have landed in Clare List: WOW! - Thanks looks like a Martian Meteorite to me! Greg S. http://www.clarepeople.com/201009152342/Meteorite-may-have-landed-in-Cla re.html Meteorite may have landed in Clare Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:51 Scientists believe that a meteorite that landed in Ireland on September 1 may have touched down in north east Clare. According to Ireland's foremost astronomer, David Moore, the September 1 meteorite is likely to have landed in land along the border between Clare, Galway and Tipperary. Moore, who is also the Chairman of Astronomy Ireland is appealing to people who witnessed the fireball to contact the association. The person who discovers the meteorite is also likely to receive a major cash boost as fragments of meteorites are regularly sold for 50 times their weight in gold. Andrew Hamilton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi
Point is we can INFER there is a PROBABLILITY of OTHER life, but we cannot say there is. There is a big difference. many people 'believe' in all sorts of things, this doesn't make it true. That said, however much we think science is black and white, science is only really a glorified democracy, evidence only is evidence if enough people 'believe' it. But it's all we've got, and it sort of works, as soon as we say there's got to be aliens out there 'because we are here', then all logic breaks down and we will be in a right mess. We haven't seen aliens, we cannot infer their presence from ANY observation - therefore at present we are alone in the universe. Remember 'Statistically' we shouldn't be here at all! So scientifically speaking Statistics is disproven as a method! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: 17 September 2010 05:56 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi Hi Phil, I agree completely with your sentiment, and respect your belief. However I sincerely disagree that your conclusion that intelligent extra terrestrial life does NOT exist is based on evidenced fact. There is only a lack of evidence, and the best argument to the contrary is us. Humans are the biggest single evidence in this universe that the development of intelligent life forms is possible. (though the intelligent part is arguable) I know you believe we're the only intelligent lifeform, and I know you think it's based on evidence, but it's actually lack of evidence to the contrary that you are basing your belief on. You're merely repeating Fermi's Where are they? question. Saying show me... I've already given an analogy that very simply shows Fermi's Paradox is not a paradox at all because we haven't the information to quantify the question to begin with. Lack of evidence is not evidence. You'll be surprised to know, I don't believe in extraterrestrials. However I can conclude they most probably exist because we are here, and the chances of them not being there (wherever there is) are so minute it's statistically impossible considering the vastness and the age of the universe. We could also phrase this as when they were. Or how we will be in 1000 years, or 10,000 years. At the rate of technological advancement (if we don't destroy ourselves first) where will we be in 1000 years? That is curiously and seriously what I would like to know! Even so, one can still safely use statistics and numbers to figure the probability. No, I'm not hanging my alien hat on the Drake equation. I wouldn't know how to read it any more than I could read War Peace in one sitting. I'm saying One must take into account ALL the variables possible to form a conclusion. Still, probability won't make it so. We may never know, or we might find ET tomorrow. I'll agree with Richard in that I believe that the universe is teaming with life. Intelligent life however is probably extremely rare. But even that, like time itself is probably relative. Regards, Eric On 9/16/2010 9:19 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Hi Richard; That's an excellent argument for cancelling the silly SETI project. The key word in your argument is believe. You believe in the existence of exo-life without any supporting evidence, I don't. So we can agree to disagree. If life never existed on Mars, I can't see it existing anywhere else. But, my beliefs are evidence based, I'll change them in a minute if someone will just show me the money. --- Phil Whitmer - Actually Phil, I'd disagree with that statement, even though I believe that the universe is filled to the brim with life, I think that intelligent life is exceedingly rare. Personally I think that SETI is never going to find a signal, not because there is no life out there, but that the circumstances required to find a signal is exceedingly small. The analogy put forth by others in this thread of a child looking out a window for 32/1000ths of a second is a good one. Use ourselves as an example. Radio technology on earth is barely a century old and we are already rapidly moving away from high powered transmitters to low powered devices for communications. Our most efficient long distance communications are already moving via fiber optics, so require no radio transmissions whatsoever. Ask yourself what are/or were the most powerful transmitters used? The answer is Early Warning defense radar systems. In fact at those frequencies Earth was brighter than the Sun. As the Cold War wound down, and the technology improved, lower power transmitters could do the same job. For about 40 years, Earth shined exceedingly brightly in microwaves, with a peak radiance about 1/3
[meteorite-list] FW: Rock identification??
Hi, I was recently sent a rock, the accompanying story was that it landed near someone with high velocity and was warm/hot to the touch. (Normally this story rings alarm bells as meteorites are generally not known to be warm especially small ones), however upon looking at the rock, it appears to have chondrules (or chondrule like objects), but has no fusion crust. Its about 27mm x 19mm, and is very slightly attracted to a strong magnet, (enough for the rock to move when a magnet is put next to it. I can't explain what i'm seeing, these chondrule like features are near perfect spherules!, however I can't see any metal grains! Under mag there are numerous spherules, and other unidentifiable inclusions, the matrix is a grey to light beige colour. Anyone care to take a stab at what this is? Pics at : http://s911.photobucket.com/albums/ac315/meteoritemark/ (Click the pics for a bigger view) Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rock identification??
yes, that had been my first thought, mortar or concrete, however it has numerous spherical glassy inclusions, and what look like larger melted black glassy features. Some of the spherules are very glassy clear red-brown some are opaque non glassy. I think I have just found one small metallic grain. Only thing is its not normal for concrete to have perfectly spherical glassy features? I've just uploaded another pic showing a spherule. The black inclusions in the pic are quite glassy looking, with vesicles in them. http://s911.photobucket.com/albums/ac315/meteoritemark/ Any help appreciated with this one, it's a bit strange! Mark -Original Message- From: petersche...@rcn.com [mailto:petersche...@rcn.com] Sent: 15 September 2010 14:35 To: Mark Ford; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rock identification?? concrete? Peter CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rust Question about my stone meteorite. BKF isthe best :)
Hi Martin, I agree it doesn't sound like a good idea. Personally I wouldn't do this, at a pinch I would treat an Iron meteorite if it was the last hope of keeping it alive! However this type of thing has actually been done for many years, other methods are also used such as galvanic cleaning, and my favourite pet hate- people putting on 'Kurust' rust stopper that turns the fusion crust jet black, they are all age old treatments. The same things happen in the mineral world, many crystals are oiled, polished and treated to enhance colour. I suppose at least Bar Keepers Friend (or renamed: meteorite sellers enemy) only effects a thin outer layer of the rock, the washing and drying at 200 degrees for several hours is probably much more destructive. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 13 September 2010 13:24 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rust Question about my stone meteorite. BKF isthe best :) Humhem...please! No offense. It's absolutely you're private affair, what you're doing with your meteorites. Though in general I think it's a big No-No to manipulate stony meteorites that way, to artificially bleach them. (Just was looking, Bar Keeper Friends main reactive agent is oxalic acid). Stone meteorites are no irons. In my opinion such a treatment will make them to a certain degree worthless, as they can't be used anymore for scientific measurements. What I would urgently expect, is to avoid, that such bleached chondrites would be brought in circulation. The meteorite sector, other than the minerals and fossils sector, all in all was so far relatively spared from manipulated or fudged specimens. It would be in my very personal opinion everything else than good, that W2, W3, W4 material now would be pimped to be suggestive of being a W0 or a W1. I hope we all can agree about? Worried Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Montag, 13. September 2010 07:59 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: jimsk...@aol.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rust Question about my stone meteorite. BKF is the best :) Jim k and the List, I took your advice and used the Bar Keeper Friend on my L6 meteorite fragment to remove the rust on the surface of the meteorite due to age and I would have to say, wow, this stuff really works. The meteorite looks so much better. I can see the true color of the meteorite, I can see the texture and the gray matrix. I have a link down below of before and after images of the meteorite :) Take a look and you will be amazed of the results. http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262...@n03/4985819064/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p 4340 [meteorite-list] Rust Question about my stone meteorite. Jimski47 at aol.com Jimski47 at aol.com Sat Sep 11 07:38:57 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tunkuska Tektites? Next message: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 11, 2010 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I doubt that soaking a meteorite in alcohol will remove rust. I've used fine grit sandpaper to remove rust from slices. Lay the sandpaper on a hard flat surface and gently rub the meteorite onto the sandpaper. For removing rust from iron etched slices, I use a product called Bar Keepers Friend, this can be found in most grocery stores cleaning supplies isle. It comes in a powder form, so you have to make a thick liquid out of it. Wet the meteorite with warm water then apply the liquid BKF. Rub it onto the meteorite with your finger gently. Rubbing to hard can damage the etch. After removing the rust, rinse the piece, soak it in alcohol and bake it dry in an oven about 200 degrees for 2 hrs. You can try the BKF process on a chondrite fragment and use a toothbrush to scrub it. It should work but you might want to experiment with a cheap uncl. NWA first. Jim K In a message dated 9/10/2010 11:14:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, photophlow at yahoo.com writes: Hello Listers, I have a question about rust and how to clean it off your L6 meteorite. Now can you just soak the meteorite in a 99% alcohol bath for a couple days and the rust on the surface will some what come off the surface or are there other steps? The the size of the L6 fragment is 3.45g, so I dont have much room to work with. I used a sand/finger nail file and sanded the surface, but not sure if that made a difference and it seems that the L6 meteorite surface is stronger than the sand paper on the finger nail file. If any
Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of Tektites
Hi Ed. At the risk of starting up the 'great Tektite wars' again, (second only to the God Thread) I think it's now been very well established that they are of Earth impact origin (i.e terrestrial). The lunar origin, is still propagated by a small minority of people. The evidence for a lunar origin just doesn't entirely stack up. Granted there are things we still don't understand, but plenty of elemental studies have indicated they have trace chemical signatures which match known Earth bedrock formations. (hey, I've even seen a partially melted tektite with melted sedimentary rock poking out of it?!) I recommend Aubrey's excellent site for a start http://www.tektites.co.uk There is a good set of references to papers etc at http://www.tektites.co.uk/bibliography.html Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ed Majden Sent: 10 September 2010 06:06 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: RASCals Discussion List; MIAC List Subject: [meteorite-list] Origin of Tektites Are there any tektite experts on this list? The formation of tektites has been a mystery to science. Volcanic origin, Lunar ejecta, meteorite impact origin, explosive electrical discharge, etc. The latter proposed by NASA experiments at an arc-jet facility. What are the current theories on the formation of tektites. Are there any papers on this that I could get my hands on? Thanks: Ed Majden Courtenay, B.C. Canada __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax?
Nothing reported to us so far (British and Irish Meteorite Society) .. which is strange, this image looks like it's done on photo shop to me?? Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: 01 September 2010 04:07 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Global Meteor Observing Forum Subject: [meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax? Dear List, I have just posted: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/09/latest-worldwide-meteo rmeteorite-news.html Comments please. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil
Yeah keep using magnets leave me all the lunars muhahahahaha. Satan -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: 24 August 2010 19:44 To: Matson, Robert D. Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil Hi List, The evilness of magnet canes is well known throughout history. In fact, Satan uses a 3-pronged magnet cane that is often mistaken for a pitchfork. An old 14th century woodcut in the tome Of Meteors and Devils (trans), a depiction of Satan is clearing seen and about his feet are several imps who are pulling bits from the end of his magnet cane and dancing about with them. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 8/24/10, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Mark wrote: As soon as everyone stops using metal detectors and magnet canes to look for meteorites then the first Lunars in Europe or USA will eventually be found, until then! I have never used a magnet cane, nor will I ever, and I always advise new hunters against their use. A magnet cane is basically an H-, L-, iron, and stony-iron filter. I sometimes carry an LL6 with me to the desert on the off-chance I'll run into someone using a magnet cane. That usually cures them. ;-) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extremobacteria
Yes this has been all over the news. My only problem with it is we are talking low earth orbit not the far reaches of the solar system, I'd like to see them survive away from the protection of the earth's mag field before I get too excited... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of countde...@earthlink.net Sent: 23 August 2010 21:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Extremobacteria Hello List, Timely video report on the ability of cyanobacteria to survive in space for years: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11039206 Regards all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite
As soon as everyone stops using metal detectors and magnet canes to look for meteorites then the first Lunars in Europe or USA will eventually be found, until then! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Matson, Robert D. Sent: 23 August 2010 21:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite Hi All, When the first U.S. lunar is found, my bet is that the finder will be either Sonny Clary or Jason Utas. Both have demonstrated the ability to find non-ordinary-chondrite meteorites -- for instance, Blue Eagle (R3-6) and Moapa Valley (CM1) by Sonny, and Superior Valley 014 (acapulcoite) by Jason. Another name I've seen come up lately with non-OCs is Bill Sajkowicz: Chocolate Mountains (ureilite), Cargo Muchacho Mountains (CO3), and Winterhaven (howardite). I find it remarkable that one person has found a ureilite, a howardite and a CO3, and yet I haven't found a record of any chondritic finds by him. This is statistically next to impossible -- Bill must have found a LOT of chondrites to have found these three. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:35 PM To: mike; e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How Many Lunar Meteorites? Feldsparic breccias are very common throughout the SW deserts and (I believe) in many other areas, and these look very similar to luners. I think it's going to have to have a fusion crust. If its sandblasted or very weathered, it may never be found. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite
Yes it's got to be a massive factor in skewing the statistics, plus some lunars from first glance look like some of the native rocks of the USA and Europe which won't help. Factor all this in and it's the reason we haven't found any yet, statistically 3 or 4 USA lunar finds is quite easy to account for not being found. Remember Antarctica meteorites are often found visually rather than by 'magnet snap' this could maybe explain the reason there are more lunars found up there. . Most newbie hunters ignore anything that doesn't stick to a magnet. I wonder how many lunars have been passed over in favor of an ugly, weathered OC? LOL yes very true, but I also even wonder how many O'C's have been passed over that didn't stick to the cane (many small ones or LL types don't immediately stick to a small magnet!). if in doubt pick it up and bring it home I guess! Mark -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks [mailto:meteoritem...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 August 2010 14:29 To: Mark Ford Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite Hi Mark and List, Good point. Most newbie hunters ignore anything that doesn't stick to a magnet. I wonder how many lunars have been passed over in favor of an ugly, weathered OC? LOL Best regards, MikeG On 8/24/10, Mark Ford mark.f...@ssl.gb.com wrote: As soon as everyone stops using metal detectors and magnet canes to look for meteorites then the first Lunars in Europe or USA will eventually be found, until then! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Matson, Robert D. Sent: 23 August 2010 21:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Search for first U.S. lunar meteorite Hi All, When the first U.S. lunar is found, my bet is that the finder will be either Sonny Clary or Jason Utas. Both have demonstrated the ability to find non-ordinary-chondrite meteorites -- for instance, Blue Eagle (R3-6) and Moapa Valley (CM1) by Sonny, and Superior Valley 014 (acapulcoite) by Jason. Another name I've seen come up lately with non-OCs is Bill Sajkowicz: Chocolate Mountains (ureilite), Cargo Muchacho Mountains (CO3), and Winterhaven (howardite). I find it remarkable that one person has found a ureilite, a howardite and a CO3, and yet I haven't found a record of any chondritic finds by him. This is statistically next to impossible -- Bill must have found a LOT of chondrites to have found these three. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:35 PM To: mike; e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How Many Lunar Meteorites? Feldsparic breccias are very common throughout the SW deserts and (I believe) in many other areas, and these look very similar to luners. I think it's going to have to have a fusion crust. If its sandblasted or very weathered, it may never be found. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them
Re: [meteorite-list] Extremobacteria
Granted but, the moon is still a relatively sheltered place though, nothing like deep space. Additionally Virus's have a significantly lower cross section to cosmic radiation than bacteria do. A few hundred days in low earth orbit is nothing like a few hundred million years, which is about the time Martian rocks take to arrive here, so are we any further forward in knowing the survivability of microbes in meteorites? It's interesting research, my only caveat is this doesn't necessarily mean bacterial can thrive/survive long-term in [outer space]. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of geo...@aol.com Sent: 24 August 2010 14:35 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extremobacteria My only problem with it is we are talking low earth orbit not the far reaches of the solar system, I'd like to see them survive away from the protection of the earth's mag field before I get too excited... I would like to agree with you here, but to be honest, I believe it was the surveyer moon probe that sat on the moon for a few years before an Apollo manned moon landing happened nearby. The astronauts removed surveyors camera and brought it back and virus that was attached to the insides of the camera were revived. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
And ... a glass of water is interesting when put next to a powerful magnet, the surface of the water bends as the magnet is brought near it- It's quite spooky, and even works with a hard drive magnet. Trouble with looking for magnetic moment alignment in planetary samples is by the time a slice has been knocked about on a cutting wheel etc, it has lost much of it's information. I have found that iron meteorites magnetize very easily even if you tap them sharply a few times, (just by the earth's magnetic field). Even sending something through the post, exposes it to all sorts of fields and mechanical action. (Plus nearly everyone slaps a rare earth magnet on a rock when they find it, it's one of the 'is this a meteorite?' tests). My guess is to get proper magnetic field information you would need a freshly fallen piece that has been carefully handled and prepared in such a way as to minimise the disturbance to 'the force'.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: 17 August 2010 03:45 To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Hi Mike in CO, Magnetic susceptibility is a difficult question to answer. A CEREGE (CNRS), Geophysics and Planetologyscientist from France flew out here to Laughlin, NV, U.S.A. to conduct magnetic susceptibility studies on several of our planetary pieces including NWA 5000. He spent hours plotting hundred of points on NWA 5000 to create a susceptibility map. All I can tell you is that numbers his instruments measured were different for each and every point on the rock. I guess we will have to wait for the results and magnetic map to be published. If you are asking how attracted it is to a magnet, then my answer is as follows: NWA 5000 contains more metal than any rock from the Moon discovered, yet a magnet will barley stick to it unless you are in direct contact with a piece of elemental metal. I have magnets so powerful that the small amount of iron in breakfast cereal is enough to make the pieces of cereal stick to them, same for dry dog food. For the most part, planetary meteorites are not all that attracted to standard magnets. I recommend liberating a piece of a suspected planetary meteorite and then testing it with a magnet therefore preserving the rest of the mass for future study. A magnet will orient some of the dipoles into a new North South direction making some future studies impossible. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 2:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world This is probably the 'dumb question of the year' but, is there any magnetic susceptibility detectable on NWA 5000 or, for that matter any of your planetary pieces? See, told you it was going to be a dumb question. Mike in CO On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Rings
And ... forgot to say - treat it like you would an opal or emerald, i.e keep it dry don't clean it in an ultrasonic bath.. One thing also to bear in mind with Iron meteorites, is as they contain Nickel, this can irritate some peoples skin.. just bear in mind that's all. Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Ford Sent: 16 August 2010 13:37 To: 'Jose Villavicencio'; 'Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com' Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Rings Hi Jose, If it's any help, for my other half a few years ago, I had a crescent moon pendant made of out 18k Gold, complete with texture and craters on the surface, one of which has a piece of DAG 400 (Lunar meteorite) set into it, there was also a diamond in a separate crater on the tip of the crescent (which gives a glint like the sun appearing behind the moon). Looks really good, and she is very pleased with it. We have had no problems with the DAG 400, they set it in the 'crater' on the pendant both with jewellery adhesive and by burring over the gold (to make a mechanical hold too). You should have no trouble if the rock is well set into the gold, but I would advise them to make sure it is held in physically rather than just relying on adhesive/glue. Martian Shergottites should easily be robust enough, as long as it is not too big.. Best Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jose Villavicencio Sent: 16 August 2010 06:47 To: Meteorites Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Rings Does anyone know how stable will be to have a wedding ring made out of martian meteorite (Los Angeles) and white gold? Or does anyone ever try to made a ring with a non-iron meteorite? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Rings
Hi Jose, If it's any help, for my other half a few years ago, I had a crescent moon pendant made of out 18k Gold, complete with texture and craters on the surface, one of which has a piece of DAG 400 (Lunar meteorite) set into it, there was also a diamond in a separate crater on the tip of the crescent (which gives a glint like the sun appearing behind the moon). Looks really good, and she is very pleased with it. We have had no problems with the DAG 400, they set it in the 'crater' on the pendant both with jewellery adhesive and by burring over the gold (to make a mechanical hold too). You should have no trouble if the rock is well set into the gold, but I would advise them to make sure it is held in physically rather than just relying on adhesive/glue. Martian Shergottites should easily be robust enough, as long as it is not too big.. Best Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jose Villavicencio Sent: 16 August 2010 06:47 To: Meteorites Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Rings Does anyone know how stable will be to have a wedding ring made out of martian meteorite (Los Angeles) and white gold? Or does anyone ever try to made a ring with a non-iron meteorite? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -...
Good quote. I also like: Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of GREG LINDH Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31 To: gmh...@htn.net Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -... Hello Greg, I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote follows: There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Something to think about Greg Lindh From: gmh...@htn.net To: dr...@emersonhosp.org Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400 CC: jgross...@usgs.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites for sale -... Hello everyone, Isn't 'science' just that, Science... Ever evolving as ground truth comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past... Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Rose, David MD dr...@emersonhosp.org wrote: I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and refinement. David -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite- list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites for sale -... Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer reviewed! jeff On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: Hi Jason and List, I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer reviewed and contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I asked scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that she didn't read the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the type of petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not apply to the texture NWA 2999 exhibits. There were several prestigious coauthors listed in the original paper; Unique Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples From Mercury. Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open mind and hope for some ground truth that will hopefully settle it once and for all. I think the authors were making a point of having an open mind and that the subject should be debated possibly stimulated more scientific interest in Angrites. It took a long time to win over the scientific community that some of these meteorites were actually from Mars. It was debated to death and now nobody argues about the Shergottite parent body any more. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list P Please consider the impact to the environment before printing this email. P Please consider the impact to the environment before printing this email. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -...
No, the reverse - I think the quote actually means science has a lot more 'faith' to it than most people realise! Especially true these days.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: 23 July 2010 09:01 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -... Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes. Only conjecture and subjective interpretation of observation. Eric On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark Ford wrote: Good quote. I also like: Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of GREG LINDH Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31 To: gmh...@htn.net Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -... Hello Greg, I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote follows: There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Something to think about Greg Lindh From: gmh...@htn.net To: dr...@emersonhosp.org Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400 CC: jgross...@usgs.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites for sale -... Hello everyone, Isn't 'science' just that, Science... Ever evolving as ground truth comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past... Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Rose, David MDdr...@emersonhosp.org wrote: I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and refinement. David -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite- list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites for sale -... Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer reviewed! jeff On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: Hi Jason and List, I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer reviewed and contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I asked scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that she didn't read the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the type of petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not apply to the texture NWA 2999 exhibits. There were several prestigious coauthors listed in the original paper; Unique Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples From Mercury. Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open mind and hope for some ground truth that will hopefully settle it once and for all. I think the authors were making a point of having an open mind and that the subject should be debated possibly stimulated more scientific interest in Angrites. It took a long time to win over the scientific community that some of these meteorites were actually from Mars. It was debated to death and now nobody argues about the Shergottite parent body any more. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list P Please consider the impact to the environment before printing this email. P Please consider the impact to the environment before
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite legistration
Yes there are good and bad aspects to both sides of this eternal debate. On the one hand you could argue it could depend on when the rock fell, an old rock would have been there since before the land owner purchased it, so it would naturally then be the landowners, whereas if it fell yesterday then it is sorta like if someone throws your best coat onto another person's land - the coat still belongs to you even though it's on their land. There is an argument for very recent falls being made the property of the discoverer/finder as they have only just came from space (just coz it touched their ground for a few hours should this make it theirs?)- However and it is a big however - who the hell is going to let you hunt on their land if they suddenly have no claim on the rocks you find ?? So for that reason I guess it's better that it just belongs to the landowner by default. In any case if it all got too political the government could just claim all space rocks to be state property! Let sleeping dogs lie... Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: 19 May 2010 00:48 To: Steve Dunklee; m...@mhmeteorites.com; skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite legistration This would be fine on BLM land, but not on private property. Michael On 5/18/10 9:36 AM, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe it is time to lobby congress for a new law where any meteorite found becomes the exclusive property of the finder. This law would reduce any litigation on meteorite finds end encourage hunting on public lands. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Our next major source of meteorites?
Well said Martin! - policy makers and private hunting skeptics take note! Up side of no meteorite hunting/export regulations = many new finds Down side of no meteorite regulations = higher prices/value (though this actually leads to more finds) Up side of meteorite regulation = meteorites left in the ground Downside of meteorite regulation = next to none available for study or collectors (i.e no one wins) the rocks carry on rusting! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 10 May 2010 23:05 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Our next major source of meteorites? Australia. Melanie, Australia was Eden, Mecca, El Dorado, Tara, Oh Ashley!, for meteorites. So it has the potential. Unfortunately it felt due a wrong policy into a dark age for the last 2 decades, but I'm confident, that I still will live to see the renaissance of Australian meteorites. You know Melanie, I read some weeks ago the annual report of the Western Australia Museum of the period 2007/2008 - there it's said, that it is planned to enlarge the meteorite collection, Alas - in the same report is told, that in that period at the WA museum they worked on and finally published only ONE single new Australian meteorite. And that isn't acceptable, that's a declaration of bankruptcy. Researchers and scientists have always to match with the work of researchers in other countries, with colleagues of the scientific community to evaluate the quality of their work. And on the other hand researchers have to compete among each other for the financial means for their research. If such a branch of science yields almost no results, then sooner or later it will be abandoned, because it isn't justified to spent public means for these purposes. In Australia meteoritics maybe has survived that immense decline and bleeding only so long, because of its rich tradition in meteoritics. Was once together with USA meteorite nation #1. Else, like it happened in other countries, after such a long unsuccessful period meteoritics would have been stopped there more or less. But that legacy can be also a burden, because it could force the Australian meteoriticists to explain, why all the years before the Dark Age dozens of new finds were made and now less than 1 find per year and why in so many other countries with deserts, including USA, the find rates of new meteorites exploded during the very same period. Therefore I think the meteoriticists feel a certain pressure and things will turn back to reason one day. In fact, there are already some Australian scientists worried about, google around and you will find a proposal from a gentleman from the Bathurst Observatory to ease the legal restrictions regarding meteorites, so that finally there will be found some again. The way to find back to old glory and to restore meteorite science in Australia is very easy, as all pre-conditions are not only existent, but excellent! I don't know the exact mechanisms regarding legislation there, whether you need a petition ect. to amend existing laws (and that isn't my cup of tea), but look Melanie, Australia has some very famous meteoriticists, Dr.Bevan for instance - and I could imagine, that he wouldn't feel comfort to leave Australian meteoritics behind in such a desolate estate and that he will feel constraint to the once so famous meteorite tradition of Australia, that he will put all the weight of his capacity and his name into the scale, to improve the situation in Australia, wouldn't he? The methods are clear, and the Aussies made their experiences already, regarding the question, how new finds will be generated. Just allow finding and a fair incentive for the owner, and you'll have your meteorites. Hunting by public financed expeditions could be somewhat too expensive, and such hunts are always somewhat limited. I read also a paper of one of the Euromet-hunts in Australia some weeks ago. (Had no internet connetion for some days, would have to search it again, don't know at the moment, whether it was 1993, was that one with Bevan, Koeberl et al.) There they were going in the known strewnfields, for training, found 7.5kgs of Mundrabillas, 5 pounds of Millbillillies, a few Mulga-chondrites - and then they found additionally 3kg new OCs or so. Euromet, Melanie, was a consortium of European universities with the objective to recover new meteorites. Well, only the annual costs for personnel were around 20 millions of today's USD. - well, you know, a Mundrabilla of the private sector costs today 0.5$-3.5$/g (rough specimen - perfectly brilliant etch) and a Millbillillie 5-15$/g (depending on size and quality) - btw. meteorites where export clearances are available. Nja well and unclassified averagely weathered chondrites, like they found else, you know them, as it's your slogan below your posts, if they
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response
At the end of the day, many of the key people also perpetuate these conspiracy myths because they sell an awful lot of books, plus it maybe gains them the attention they probably never got as a kid. Imho it's the same with the crop circles, UFO's, ghosts, yeti, bigfoot's, water monsters etc. Usually it's often very intelligent but slightly deluded people, who feed off other much more deluded people, and through positive re-enforcement you end up with a community of people all firmly believing in exactly the same thing and unable to accept the truth no matter what anyone else says. People love being in groups with others of similar values it's as simple as that (hey we all joined the met-list didn't we). Problem comes when these theories start to skew the rest of society's view of the truth too, I firmly believe that these conspiracy theories are not just 'harmless fun' they represent serious pollution and we should be far less tolerant of many of them, so long as there is still room for being sensibly open minded that is... Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Sent: 26 April 2010 03:34 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response in Fake Lunar Landing Response at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-April/063904.html E. P. (Grondine) wrote: In theosophist religions, the Moon, Mars, and other planets were all inhabited. One of these theosophist religions, the Lemurian Fellowship, was stolen by Richard Kieninger, who went into business with David Hatcher Childress. ...text deleted... Insanity has a logic of its own, in this case a well developed framework of delusions. Why didn't the Apollo astronauts land on the Moon? Because they did not show the Moon dwellers' remains. It fits right in with the Face on Mars for them. It is not only the theosophist religions that have a theological basis for denying human beings having landed on the Moon. In addition, a minority of Hindus, who promote Vedic science and argue that the deevolution of human beings has been going for the last few billion years also are very strong proponents of the Moon Landing hoax claims. This position is based on what they consider to be the impossibility for the Apollo astronauts to have traveled to the Moon because of both physically or spiritual factors that they argue are clearly explained in the Vedas. Their theological arguments against the Moon landings bring real are discussed in detail by a Hare Krishna web page, Man On The Moon–A Colossal Hoax that Cost Billions of Dollars at; http://krishna.org/man-on-the-moon-a-colossal-hoax-that-cost-billions-of-dollars/ For example, this web page states: The Vedic account of our planetary system is already researched, concluded, and perfect. The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun. Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the “astronauts” have traveled to the moon–a distance of almost 94 million miles– in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)? Further down it, the above web page states: Another important reason why the manned moon landing must be a hoax is that, according to the Vedas, each planet has its particular standard of living and atmosphere, and no one can transfer from one planet to another without becoming properly qualified. This means that if someone wants to go to Mars, for instance, he has to give up his present gross material body and acquire another one suitable for life on that particular planet. Other revealing web pages are: The Apollo Moon Landings are Science Fiction http://krishna.org/the-apollo-moon-landings-are-science-fiction/ The Moon Missions: Oh Ye of Little Faith http://krishna.org/the-moon-missions-oh-ye-of-little-faith/ Moon Mission Web Pages http://krishna.org/tag/moon-mission/ As in case of the antievolution fervor of various Young and Old creationists, I personally suspect that a significant force behind the arguments behind the claims that the Moon Landings were a hoax is a religious one. I also suspect that unlike the creationist antievolutionists, the promoters of the Moon Landing hoax have been for the most part, but not always, been careful to hide their religious motivations behind seemingly secular web sites. Of course as in case of antievolution, there are also a number of conspiracy fans, who for purely secular, nonreligious reasons, advocate and promote the fiction about there having been a Moon Landing hoax. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response
You get cellphone coverage in area 51?? - You must be one of 'them' ;) -Original Message- From: Dennis Miller [mailto:astror...@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 April 2010 15:49 To: Mark Ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response Hey, you forgot Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and Leprechauns. They generate billions of dollars, just in candy and green beer! (Don't mix them though) (From my iphone in area 51) Dennis Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:29:48 +0100 From: mark.f...@ssl.gb.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response At the end of the day, many of the key people also perpetuate these conspiracy myths because they sell an awful lot of books, plus it maybe gains them the attention they probably never got as a kid. Imho it's the same with the crop circles, UFO's, ghosts, yeti, bigfoot's, water monsters etc. Usually it's often very intelligent but slightly deluded people, who feed off other much more deluded people, and through positive re-enforcement you end up with a community of people all firmly believing in exactly the same thing and unable to accept the truth no matter what anyone else says. People love being in groups with others of similar values it's as simple as that (hey we all joined the met-list didn't we). Problem comes when these theories start to skew the rest of society's view of the truth too, I firmly believe that these conspiracy theories are not just 'harmless fun' they represent serious pollution and we should be far less tolerant of many of them, so long as there is still room for being sensibly open minded that is... Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Sent: 26 April 2010 03:34 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Lunar Landing Response in Fake Lunar Landing Response at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-April/063904.html E. P. (Grondine) wrote: In theosophist religions, the Moon, Mars, and other planets were all inhabited. One of these theosophist religions, the Lemurian Fellowship, was stolen by Richard Kieninger, who went into business with David Hatcher Childress. ...text deleted... Insanity has a logic of its own, in this case a well developed framework of delusions. Why didn't the Apollo astronauts land on the Moon? Because they did not show the Moon dwellers' remains. It fits right in with the Face on Mars for them. It is not only the theosophist religions that have a theological basis for denying human beings having landed on the Moon. In addition, a minority of Hindus, who promote Vedic science and argue that the deevolution of human beings has been going for the last few billion years also are very strong proponents of the Moon Landing hoax claims. This position is based on what they consider to be the impossibility for the Apollo astronauts to have traveled to the Moon because of both physically or spiritual factors that they argue are clearly explained in the Vedas. Their theological arguments against the Moon landings bring real are discussed in detail by a Hare Krishna web page, Man On The Moon-A Colossal Hoax that Cost Billions of Dollars at; http://krishna.org/man-on-the-moon-a-colossal-hoax-that-cost-billions-of -dollars/ For example, this web page states: The Vedic account of our planetary system is already researched, concluded, and perfect. The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun. Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the astronauts have traveled to the moon-a distance of almost 94 million miles- in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)? Further down it, the above web page states: Another important reason why the manned moon landing must be a hoax is that, according to the Vedas, each planet has its particular standard of living and atmosphere, and no one can transfer from one planet to another without becoming properly qualified. This means that if someone wants to go to Mars, for instance, he has to give up his present gross material body and acquire another one suitable for life on that particular planet. Other revealing web pages are: The Apollo Moon Landings are Science Fiction http://krishna.org/the-apollo-moon-landings-are-science-fiction/ The Moon Missions: Oh Ye of Little Faith http://krishna.org/the-moon-missions-oh-ye-of-little-faith/ Moon Mission Web Pages http://krishna.org/tag/moon-mission/ As in case of the antievolution fervor of various Young and Old creationists, I personally suspect that a significant force behind the arguments behind the claims that the Moon
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools ($33, 040.00)
Which is the 'tool'? - the watch or the person that pays $33,000 for a 2mm x 25mm slice of gibeon in an over polished gold case! - Lol. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: 03 March 2010 00:02 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools ($33,040.00) Hello Listers, Since we are on the topic of meteorites being used for tools, here is a $33,040.00 meteorite being used as a tool today, check it out. http://www.electron-world.com/store/product.php?productid=34772 Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite images..
Talking of websites: I've always thought a library of royalty free (that is completely free use) meteorite images would be good, often when giving a talk or writing an article I often find I just cannot find decent photos that are truly 'free to use', you usually end up taking a pic yourself, or if it's for a lecture just 'borrowing' the image of the net. Wouldn't it be great if there was a legit way of using meteorite images anywhere without anyone suing or complaining? So those of you that have websites with nice images on them, if any of you don't mind anyone else using some/all your pics for any purpose, why don't we come up with a special logo or wording phrase that can go on your website that means 'my images are free for use'. I know there are GNU, and other free use standards out there, but many state free for non-commercial use with 3 page conditions etc, I'm talking about condtion free images. Just a thought, but whilst many images are commercially valuable which is fine, some must surley come under the category ' I don't care who uses them' so why not make them publically available by stating so, when they are put online?. Just a thought.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: 26 November 2009 18:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] POLL: What Do You Want In A Meteorite Site?UPDATE HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL! Thank you all for the votes, Keep them coming everyone! Think we can go for 100 votes so we can get a good idea of the general populaces opinion? Come on guys, you guys are meteorite junkies... Prove it by voting. ;) Tally so far: Total Voters: 22 - QUESTION: What Do You Want In A Meteorite Website? Vote Link: www.meteoriteblog.com (Poll is located in right sidebar menu) More Meteorite Info: General (73%, 16 Votes) More Meteorite Photos (73%, 16 Votes) College University Participation (64%, 14 Votes) More Education Related To Meteorites (59%, 13 Votes) More Educational Outreach (50%, 11 Votes) More Meteorite Data: Meteorite classification data (45%, 10 Votes) More Sharing of Information (45%, 10 Votes) More Instructional Information (45%, 10 Votes) More Meteorite Collecting Info: i.e. How To's DIY (41%, 9 Votes) More Meteorite Hunting Info: i.e. How To Find Meteorites (36%, 8 Votes) Less Commercial More Informational (36%, 8 Votes) Would Volunteer To Help: Time (32%, 7 Votes) Would Volunteer: PR Advertising (32%, 7 Votes) Orgainzational Participation (27%, 6 Votes) More Public Awareness (27%, 6 Votes) More User Participation: i.e. Forums Personal Messaging (18%, 4 Votes) More Meteorite Videos (18%, 4 Votes) Would Volunteer To Help: Monetary Contributions (14%, 3 Votes) Less Public Awareness (5%, 1 Votes) More Commercial Less Informational (0%, 0 Votes) - This is really very helpful and this information is vital to the increase of knowledge of meteorites online. Your participation is greatly appreciated and it only takes a minute. Thanks guys, let's keep this going!!! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Wiki Meteorites USA wrote: Hi Listees Meteorite People, I've created a poll for gathering some very important information. This information is vital in determining the course of action and direction the Meteorite Wiki website will take. The Poll is located on the meteorite blog website but is strictly for gathering information on the Meteorite Wiki. What Do You Want In A Meteorite Website? Go here to Vote: www.meteoriteblog.com Poll is located in the sidebar of the site 1 Question, 20 Answers and percentage based results. You are more than welcome to choose more than one answer and in fact are encouraged to do so. Choose the answers that best fit what YOU would like to see in a meteorite website. If you have something to add please feel free to send me an email with suggestions, opinions, gripes, or rants. ;) Questions are encouraged! Please take part in the poll, the more information we compile the better the data will be! Thanks in advance for your participation. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Wiki 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward. Yep, a classic case of another country not thinking through it's meteorite collecting laws, you ban exports/free trade and strangely enough all the new finds dry up, (while the rocks rust away). There's a lesson there somewhere. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Whymark Sent: 15 October 2009 07:48 To: Greg Stanley; meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia Hi Greg They certainly look for Australite Tektites on the dry lakes in WA. Australites can be picked up, kept, sold, sold abroad. You can't touch the Meteorites in Australia though. If you find one then report it to the Museum. For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward. Regards, Aubrey Whymark www.tektites.co.uk --- On Wed, 14/10/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 10:41 PM List: The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and I'm coordinating the placement of some of our instruments. As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I notice (what looks like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for meteorites on dry lakes in Australia? Greg S. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd’s computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space!
I did not say all life in the universe is from Earth, read my posts again!! I said the life we find on Earth originated from Earth that's all. As I said there is every possibility life has started else where too. We are not the centre of the universe! I never said we are, please don't misquote me. Best Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA [mailto:e...@meteoritesusa.com] Sent: 17 September 2009 16:18 To: Mark Ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! Hello everyone, Again I feel compelled to respond to such Earth centered thinking. We are NOT the center of everything. Our planet is merely a dot in billions of trillions of other dots in this universe. ...Sorry but imho panspermia is nothing more than religion by the back door... ok... Not really. ...Some people just cannot accept that life doesn't automatically have to have come from outer space... Some people cannot except that life COULD come from out there. ...where is the evidence to show that life cannot possibly start on Earth?... There is lots of evidence to shows life could start here. But that does not mean ALL life is from here. This Earth centered idea is flawed in every way. ...It has to start somewhere, and what better place than right here, where the conditions are warm/wet/cold/ideal?... Again, Earth centered and ultimately wrong. This is not to say that life that is present today on this planet could not have started on this planet. Just because someone says that meteorites might have seeded Earth, does not mean that ALL life was seeded from elsewhere. It's flawed thinking because it leaves out the fact that SOME life could have come from elsewhere. Just because someone says that rocks from space could have brought life to our planet does not mean it is all encompassing or empirical at all because there is evidence. I believe the Panspermia theory may be flawed (or peoples understanding of Panspermia anyway) if they state that all life came from elsewhere simply because if all life came from elsewhere then where did elsewhere get the life to begin with? It had to come into existence from somewhere. If you don't believe in evolution, then you believe in God, if you believe in God you most likely don't believe in evolution. But I ask you why you can't believe in both? (rhetorical, please do not answer this as it's NOT related to meteorites ;)) This is NOT the topic I want to get into so I will continue on... So you believe the Earth is the Goldilocks planet. Given that you most likely also believe there is a good chance that there is another system out there with a star similar to our Sun and quite possibly another planet similar to ours that lies within what science calls the habitable zone. Or is that too big of a stretch? Let's just say for the sake of argument there is another planet out there nearby (relative to our system) that is in this zone and that there is life on that planet. One can safely assume that large asteroidal and cometary debris has at some time in the past slammed into that planet. Perhaps even while life existed on it, thereby ejecting billions of tons of debris into space over time. Some of that debris would no doubt carry some form of microbial life that lives deep inside the soil and rock. (perhaps even insects) Protected from the harshness of the vacuum and cold of space. Now we know that if there's a Goldilocks planet that there are most likely other planets in that system as well, perhaps more, perhaps less than our system, but our knowledge of solar system formation is one that allows us to make an educated guess. The point is most of the debris would be sucked into the orbits and eventually the atmospheres of other planetary and larger bodies in that system. But. Not all of it would be. Would it? Some of it would escape. Eventually... Let's also say for sake of argument the Gliese 581 star system is home to our habitable planet. This system is 20 light years away. In other words it takes light 20 years to travel to Earth. (speed of light is 186,000 miles per second). A light year is 5,865,696,000,000 miles in distance. Remember that number... The question now is, how fast will the debris that is able to escape the system be traveling? Well, I wasn't sure and did a little digging and found this page http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-03/985224290.As.r.html which explains the speed of an orbiting asteroid to be at 47000 mph. Since I wanted to verify, I check around and found this too: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14258 which puts the speed of an orbiting asteroid at 67,000 mph. A difference of 20,000 mph. A BIG difference! Still not convinced of the accuracy of the speed, I wanted to know a more exact number I could apply to the debris to calculate the time it would take for it to reach Earth. Then I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space!
There is much documented evidence of microbes in the upper atmosphere region, I think the debatable bit though is the suggestion that life must have come from somewhere other than from Earth, - This is simply not the case. I have seen no evidence to suggest anything other than that every single life form we have ever found originated right here on earth. Some people just cannot accept that life doesn't automatically have to have come from outer space, they are entitled to hold that view, but where is the evidence to show that life cannot possibly start on Earth? It has to start somewhere, and what better place than right here, where the conditions are warm/wet/cold/ideal? Sorry but imho panspermia is nothing more than religion by the back door.. Transfer of life from planet to planet via meteorites is more interesting, though even here we have the dilemma that just because highly evolved extreemophiles can potentially survive under controlled test conditions doesn't automatically mean they actually have, there are many other complex variables to consider, many of which are still poorly understood. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and Kirk Sent: 17 September 2009 01:13 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! Phil, How is this junk science Kirk... - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! G'day, Konnichiwa, Aloha, Top 'o the morning to ya!: Microbes from outer space living in the upper atmosphere and bacteria living for millions of years! If I only had more time to read junk science! Phil Whitmer Hi listees, Some interesting reading... ...To test if meteorites might protect bacteria on their journey through space, Horneck and her colleagues mixed samples of 50 million spores with particles of clay, red sandstone, Martian meteorite, or simulated Martian soil and made small lumps a centimeter in diameter. Between 10,000 and 100,000 spores of the original 50 million survived and when mixed with red sandstone, nearly all survived, suggesting that even meteorites a centimeter in diameter can carry life from one planet to another, if they completed the journey within a few years. In a rock a meter across, bacteria could probably survive for millions of years Still don't believe? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space!
Agreed, and there is very likely to be life elsewhere, but that could just as easily evolve entirely independently of us, doesn't mean all life originates from just one place only. All life we know of though (so far) comes from the earth, to assume it must come from 'out there' just because out there is 'big' is to deny the evidence that is all around us. I am not saying it only originated here and has spread out into the universe, I am saying Earth based life originated here, and if there is any life outside our solar system, it evolved there on it's own. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and Kirk Sent: 17 September 2009 14:06 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! Hi Everyone, To me---believing that all life has originated here on Earth and then spread out from here is like saying that the Earth is still the center of the solar system or Universe. Andwe don't believe that anymore, now do we?? Just my opinion of course.:-) I'm sure that here are many other planets out there that are warm/wet/ideal/in the right placewe just need to find them, and we will. Best to all, Kirk:-) - Original Message - From: Mark Ford mark.f...@ssl.gb.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! There is much documented evidence of microbes in the upper atmosphere region, I think the debatable bit though is the suggestion that life must have come from somewhere other than from Earth, - This is simply not the case. I have seen no evidence to suggest anything other than that every single life form we have ever found originated right here on earth. Some people just cannot accept that life doesn't automatically have to have come from outer space, they are entitled to hold that view, but where is the evidence to show that life cannot possibly start on Earth? It has to start somewhere, and what better place than right here, where the conditions are warm/wet/cold/ideal? Sorry but imho panspermia is nothing more than religion by the back door.. Transfer of life from planet to planet via meteorites is more interesting, though even here we have the dilemma that just because highly evolved extreemophiles can potentially survive under controlled test conditions doesn't automatically mean they actually have, there are many other complex variables to consider, many of which are still poorly understood. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and Kirk Sent: 17 September 2009 01:13 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! Phil, How is this junk science Kirk... - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bugs In Space! G'day, Konnichiwa, Aloha, Top 'o the morning to ya!: Microbes from outer space living in the upper atmosphere and bacteria living for millions of years! If I only had more time to read junk science! Phil Whitmer Hi listees, Some interesting reading... ...To test if meteorites might protect bacteria on their journey through space, Horneck and her colleagues mixed samples of 50 million spores with particles of clay, red sandstone, Martian meteorite, or simulated Martian soil and made small lumps a centimeter in diameter. Between 10,000 and 100,000 spores of the original 50 million survived and when mixed with red sandstone, nearly all survived, suggesting that even meteorites a centimeter in diameter can carry life from one planet to another, if they completed the journey within a few years. In a rock a meter across, bacteria could probably survive for millions of years Still don't believe? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Web site
Sorry but the alien topic is far more constructive than 'proud bloody tom' M. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question
Yeah anything's better than 100% adverts! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hankey Sent: 26 August 2009 22:55 To: Michael Blood Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly awaiting Rob's answer. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.jpg Mike Hankey, http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question
Reminds me of a question I was asked a while back - what's the average time dilation of all mass/particles in the universe, due to the expansion rate of the universe - i.e how much younger is the universe now than it 'should be' if it was static? (I had to think about that one!) I guess technically since time was created at T=0 then the answer is simply 'now'!? Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson Sent: 26 August 2009 08:28 To: Mexicodoug; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question Hi All, Doug was first with the correct answer: 1/sqrt(2) * speed of light or a little more than 70% of the speed of light. I figured it might come down to a race between Doug and Sterling. ;-) Here's an alternative way of looking at the problem which will give you the correct answer almost immediately. The trick is to assume that *ALL* objects travel at the same velocity in 4-dimensional space-time, and for convenience we'll call this velocity c. For simplicity, assume linear motion along just one spatial axis -- let's just call it the X-axis and make it horizontal. Now add a perpendicular axis (traditionally the Y-axis) but instead we're going to call it the T-axis (the velocity component in the time-axis direction): ^ | | T | | +- X A vector representing the velocity of any object will have a length of c. Any object traveling at the speed of light (e.g. a photon) is represented by the vector of length c parallel to the X-axis; in other words, time stands still for this object. And any object at rest gets represented by a vector of length c parallel to the T-axis; all the motion is in the direction of time. For our problem, we're looking for the vector that has equal velocity components in both the X-axis and T-axis (X=T). Obviously this is a 45-degree angle clockwise from +T (or counterclockwise from +X). So the component of the 4-D velocity that is in the spatial direction is C*COS(45), while the component of the 4-D velocity that is in the time direction is C*SIN(45). Voila! When you accelerate from a stand-still, your 4D velocity vector rotates away from vertical and toward horizontal (by a miniscule amount). Using the simple system above, you can easily figure out the required velocity in order to cover 2 light-years distance in one year, 4 light-years in one year, etc. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted
Why does everyone always assume aliens are super intelligent? based on the earth model 99.999% of all life in the universe (if there is any other) is actually not intelligent. There is a massive difference between, intelligent life, semi-intelligent life, and basic 'life'. Add up all the life forms that have existed on earth in 3+ billion years (it's a really rather large number), and consider that just 2 or 3 of those trillions and trillions of life forms actually invented a way of communicating over large distances (i.e. using radio waves), and it took billions of years for that to happen, that in itself is a mind boggling ratio. That's exactly why we haven't received any communication from aliens. A) There are [very] few planets with life, far fewer that can actually communicate b) The distances are just too vast. c) Based on our own human civilization we are not even sending out carefully directed messages, just mass radio pollution, - as someone else said maybe the only other intelligent planet is just listening!) My Guess is life is actually very rare, semi intelligent life is very, very, very rare, and intelligent life is just us (maybe plus or minus a remote planet or two somewhere very far away...) Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted
That is just hogwash in my opinion---the Drake Equation proves that life MUST exist elsewhere. Not quite - Actually most sensible values for the drake equation (and subsequent improved variants) come up with surprisingly low values, given the scale and size of the universe! In fact it's quite easy to get values of 1! yes Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but evidence of absence is evidence of absence! If we search and find no other life in our own solar system, it lowers the odds somewhat, since the earth is so perfect for life, yet the similar sized planets that are very nearby are totally sterile (it seems so far). Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and Kirk Sent: 24 August 2009 22:10 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted That is just hogwash in my opinion---the Drake Equation proves that life MUST exist elsewhere. Even the SETI scientists agree that LIFE is probably abundant! Absence of Evidence is NOT Evidence of Absence!! Kirk.. - Original Message - From: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Eric: It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our manifest destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. There are those who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they never do! Not one person abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien cellphone or anything else to prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. The argument for aliens goes something like this: Well there's billions and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all over the place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible to make live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston Control, NAU, or the JPL? Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a minute. Just my dos pesos, Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted
Drake says: N = R x Fp X ne X fl X Fi X fc X L my reckoning: 1 = 1 X 30% X 0.1 X 40% X 40% X 29% X 1000 Where R = The number of stars in a similar class to ours born each year Fp = Percentage of stars that for planets Ne = Number of planets for each star that have the right conditions for life Fl = Percentage of planets with suitable conditions for life to exist, which start life Fi = Percentage of planets with life that go on to develop intelligent life Fc = Percentage intelligent planets that develop communication technology L = Number of years each civilization survives for (in a communicable state) :. So no supprise we 'aint heard from no ET... (and imho, I'm being fairly optimistic about planets forming life supporting conditions) Mark Eric: It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our manifest destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. There are those who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they never do! Not one person abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien cellphone or anything else to prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. The argument for aliens goes something like this: Well there's billions and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all over the place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible to make live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston Control, NAU, or the JPL? Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a minute. Just my dos pesos, Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Limericks
Here's my coffee break attempt! There was meteorite called Hambleton, Twas' found by a track with some brambles on, but when kept in the dry, it's owners all cry, .. as all of their slices have rust on! There was a man from the west, Who swore his collection was best, Till it rolled down a hill, And came to a stand still , Now it's a strewn field like all of the rest! Best, Mark Ford CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Limericks
Especially for Mike.. There was a certain hunter from Tuscon, Who found that his car had a bug on, Everywhere that he went, His location was sent, So now he can't find rocks before you-can! Best! Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
