Re: [meteorite-list] wanted larger NWA or campo

2010-05-26 Thread atul
Hi all
I am looking for a larger (5-10 kg) iron or large stone.
Please email me off list
Atul kumar

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-Original Message-
From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 02:28:17 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] More Photos of the Strange NWA stones

http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=333start=0postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=mforum=wwwmeteoritesto

I uploaded good and detailed photos of the strange NWA meteorites that arrived 
recently. I will be updating the testing progress on that thread for those that 
want to comment of follow along.


Greg Catterton
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Re: [meteorite-list] School has Pallasite

2010-05-22 Thread atul
They already have a 6 inch slice of a Pallasite that someone had donated in 
first week.
Atul kumar
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:45:52 
To: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] School Update

To date we received a total of $715.63

I purchased a 3+g whole stone 100% FC for $350
(this is as good a deal as could be had and the
Seller said he already had an offer of $600 on it,
And I believe him).

This leaves a bal. of $385.63, the 3+g whole stone
And the slice pledged by Sonny Clary and the slew
Of misc. other meteorites.

I would like to see a few more whole stones from
Various falls/finds come in - NWA is fine and
As large a slice of a non-ruster Pallasite as we can
Get for the balance.

If we can get those, I think this will make a splendid
Display with the WI whole stone and slice as the
Center piece of the display.

Anyone with any whole stones of any size at all and
Especially anyone with a pallasite slice for $385.63
(or less) please contact me off list.

(Kids love whole stones  - and everyone loves Pallasites)

Thanks, Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin strewn field data and map to UW-Madison

2010-05-17 Thread atul
Greg, joe
I have spoken to John  valley and will be providing them all  data and map for 
all 100 plus finds that I have collected and collated. I hope to finish 
tomorrow as well as scan the hand drawn map, which will be put on their site. 

This includes approx 20- 25 that I did not have - from Rob Matsons list but I 
do not have locations and pics  for those.
Please look through it when posted  and add incomplete data if possible.
This will be an ongoing project so please keep the data coming if you want to 
help.
Thanks to all who provided the info.

Can someone post the 2 kg pic on a site for me- joe?? -i  have  the pic.

Would like to know who has that stone as it was not authenticated .
Pls email me off list if you wish to remain on the sidelines, and your info 
will not be shared.

If anyone needs an area to look through before the map is posted- pls contact 
me off list. Regret the delay  but I do  not have it in emailable format. 

Regards
Atul kumar
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-Original Message-
From: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:33:55 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Find Registration  UW-Madison

I have registered mine and hope everyone else will do the same.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:23 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: John Valley val...@geology.wisc.edu
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Find Registration  UW-Madison

Hello All,

To all who found meteorites, or purchased stones from the original finders 
of the April 14, 2010 fall in southwestern Wisconsin, I encourage everyone 
to register these with the University of Wisconsin - Madison. In charge of 
this web site is Professor John Valley. I have already sent in the 
information for my two finds which included; Weight, Date of Find (I 
included time as well), GPS coordinates and Photos (if you can not send or 
take stones to John).

Here is a snip of John's reply to me earlier today:

We have three lists of meteorites.  One contains references that we find on 
the web or hear about second hand. The more  important list contains
 all confirmed finds of falls from April 14.  We will put your samples on 
the confirmed list.   We also show pictures on our web site, but this is 
just the subset of samples that we have examined and photographed ourselves 
I understand your reluctance to ship them to us. It would be very helpful to 
know the weights of your samples and the approx. (or exact) locations where 
you found them. This will help us to eventually define the distribution of 
the strewn field and the total mass of stones that were found. Thanks, John 
Valley

Here is the link to the Registration Page:
http://www.geology.wisc.edu/misc/meteorite-registry/

I would also encourage everyone who has not sent Richard Kowalski or Rob 
Matson this information to do so as well. The data that can be gleaned from 
this information will help these three parties with future meteorite 
recovery and other important science.

Best regards,
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] wisconsin- Sat and Sunday

2010-05-14 Thread atul
Hi all
If anyone is going to be in WI area. Today ,sat or sun- pls call.
I would be happy to share my data and map as it is made manually not emailable.
 I am meeting up with 2 people as of now plus 4  who are there and if possible  
we can all meet up and look together in the eastern, middle. And western  end 
of the fall.
Metal detectors may be helpful to cover one area intensively. 

Atul kumar
219 308 8282

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-Original Message-
From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:19:23 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] wisconsin here I come

Hi list.Well it's supposed to be upper 60's and 100% sun tomorrow,so hunting 
for this fall should not be a problem. Trying to find them will be. Its good to 
see alot of the other hunters are now gone and the hoopla is over. I'm glad now 
I know the aeras where to hunt and been given better coordinates by people who 
have been there. Well the invitation is still open if anyone wants to join for 
an really early ride up. 5 am! I also look forward to seeing anyone else who is 
still up there.I will take lots of pics.Have a great day.
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Wisconsin meteorite display at IA grant schools

2010-05-13 Thread atul

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-Original Message-
From: atul atulkuma...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:49:02 
To: Greg Hupegmh...@htn.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorite display at IA grant schools

A donation of various cheap irons and nwa  for display at middle school would 
be a idea I can put forth-
And also in MP hist museum.
Pls let me know off list  if any dealers want to donate any cheap but display 
size pcs and I can coordinate.
Atul kumar
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-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:38:55 
To: countde...@earthlink.net; Meteorite 
Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Appreciation

Hi Count,

Great idea, 'count' me in. :-)

I think Terry Boudreaux would be a great person to contact since he has done 
such a marvelous job from the start. I think if all of us hunters chipped in 
some $$ if required, it wouldn't amount to much each.

Best regards,
Greg


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- Original Message - 
From: countde...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:19 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Appreciation


 Just a suggestion to Listees who made the trip and participated in the 
 hunt in Wisconsin.

 Seeing as how so many of us were given the opportunity to engage in one of 
 the more exciting and rewarding activities of our hobby and businesses 
 because of the hospitality of a small group of townsfolk and farmers in 
 real America, wouldn't it be gracious on our part to take out a page in 
 the newspapers and send a release to the local TV/Radio stations thanking 
 all from us as a group?
 Perhaps, someone on the List has another suggestion of a way to show our 
 thanks and appreciation? It would be a sterling gesture and I'm sure our 
 visit would be pleasantly remembered for years to our enduring benefit, 
 unlike some infamous incidents where hunter/collectors have been told by 
 the locals to pack up your stuff and never come back.

 P.S.

 I'm aware that several Listees went out of their way to do presentations 
 at schools and buy rounds of drinke, etc.. Good on ya!

 Count Deiro
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Re: [meteorite-list] WI- Hunting this weekend and. Map.

2010-05-12 Thread atul
Anyone planning to be in WI this weekend. I would like to meet up with a few 
nice  people to do some looking . In case anyone wants to join in, or needs an 
area to look in, pls email me.
 
I was overwhelmed with the  many requests for a copy of  the strewn field map.  
in case anyone wishes  to add more data- pls email it me. I have over 100 
locations listed and many of them  mapped-by hand- to an acuracy of 300-600  
feet, and have only used data on authenticated stones.
I will be happy to share information with all who have done the same.

TKW I have data on  exceeds 6 kg.

Thanks to all who have provided weights ,pics and locations.

Atul kumar
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-Original Message-
From: Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:52:51 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Regarding WI Hunting Stats

List,

  I've enjoyed reading the preliminary hunting stats for the Wisconsin 
stones.  Just as many other members had done, I previously sent my basic 
stats to Rob Matson for inclusion in his first go at getting the total weight 
and number of stones to date tally. I just now sent my more detailed and 
broader-scope stats to Eric, as I hope many others have as well. I'm sure we 
are all looking forward to his upcoming compilation results.  

  A few members have mentioned their estimation that it took about 100 miles 
of walking to find each stone (at least for them). As I look over my numbers, 
I find that in THAT regard, I did a little better. I found my 1st stone after 
only about 3 hrs searching, and maybe 5 miles walking. Over all for my 2 
stones, I averaged 16hrs of hunting, and ~ 30 miles walking for each one. 
BUT. I didn't do very well at all in total weight found, since my finds 
only weighed 3.2g and 11.8g, or 15g total. And unfortunately, when it comes to 
meteorite finding,. size DOES tend to matter.  ;-) 

  Best,
  Robert Woolard











  
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Re: [meteorite-list] WI strewn field map(preliminary) is Ready- and data request.

2010-05-03 Thread atul
Hi all
Just returned from WI- 3 more days of data.

I had honored  sonny clarys   request to me to not release data or the prelim 
strewn field map  last week monday with the understanding that his group would 
provide me with data of all their finds.

As of this morning  sonny has advised me that he or his group will not be 
providing any data to me for a few weeks. I have decided to make my compliation 
of data for approx 75 finds  public.

If you are in the area and need an area to search I pls email me off list with 
(WI strewn field map) and I will provide you with data- or call me- if you need 
an area now.
 
Please do provide reasons you would need the data- search, research or dealer.
 
If you have a confirmed find- with pics and weight- pls email it to off list- 
with WI data in the subject line.

I am especially curious about the
 2+ kg piece that has now  disappeared. Did some dealer buy it and doesn't want 
anyone to know lest the price fall.
I have a pic of the 2 kg  if anyone wishes to see it.
I also have a bearing on the 6 larger pieces that went thataway- in case anyone 
wishes to chase them down.

I believe the best way to recover stones in this and all falls is the free 
unrestricted sharing of find and modelling data. 

 I thank Rob matson  for his help and  support,and all others who helped. 
Its been fun.
Regards
Atul kumar
Cell - 219- 308-8282
Amateur astronomer- Education
Calumet astronomical society
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-Original Message-
From: wahlpe...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 16:14:40 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD :  16.8 gram WI meteorite

Hi All,

I have a 16.8 gram complete meteorite, with 99.9 percent fusion crust. 
Taking highest offer. please contact of list .

Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] JOE's find- wisconsin slices - a funny story

2010-04-29 Thread atul
I was parked at a spot in the strewn field  last Sun  when joe and his kids 
drove up-
Never met or heard of him before-
Two meteorite enthusiasts meeting on the side of a road.

We spoke and as I was hungry joe offered to make me a sandwich with what he had 
 and I had some giant muffins to share ,
And a large campo to show them.

Wonderful and  sharing hospitality out of his back seat.  I made up my mind-  
this was a good kid (I am much older).

It was with a tinge of  regret that I  found out that  the 330gram  was found a 
few feet and a few hours later  from where I was parked and waited for the 
gentelman with the 60 pound meteorite who wanted to verify it..with joe and 
kids. After 1.5 hrs of waiting he brings an iron ore slab. Yaargh.
 Left without a thank you for waiting etc. 

Anyway - the stone joe found is his and what he wants to do with it is his biz. 
I personally will support him. If someone wishes to keep the stone whole- 
please do consider buying it-but as a fragment of a probable 600 gm original 
piece- it lends itself to be sliced and maximize his gain.

Go find some more joe- I can't think of anyone better to enrich themselves from 
a fall than you.


Thank you for the sandwich- 
Atul kumar

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-Original Message-
From: John Gwilliam j...@cox.net
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:21:14 
To: Joe Kerchnerskyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD; wisconsin slices - was $60 per gram AD

Joe,
You don't need to apologize to anyone.  Most of us understand that 
when you're raising a family and paying the bills, they become your 
number one priority. There are a lot of things more important than 
meteorites.  Maybe the folks that think you should have kept your 
(main mass) stone intact should have stepped up sooner and offered to 
buy it themselves.

And...congratulations...what a rush!

Best,

John Gwilliam


At 08:26 PM 4/29/2010, Joe Kerchner wrote:
Sorry I offended you, but we are really struggling right now, it 
will really help my family.
Im gonna keep some, I wish I didn't HAVE to sell it, but I do
Best wishes
Joe kerchner

-Original Message-
From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:53 PM
To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD; wisconsin slices - was $60 per gram AD

Hello Greg, All,

First-off, congrats to Joe - hell of a find.

But I really don't understand what you bring up, Greg.  If it's your
dream to find one, and you finally do, you don't cut it up and sell it
three days later.

The story reminds me of quite a few, to be honest: dealer chases down
new fall/find, finds it, cuts it up, sells it.

So, I agree - spectacular find, but...well, it *was* a pretty stone.
Now it's a pile of slices waiting to be shipped.  It was his dream to
go and find a stone, and then to cut it up and sell it all to make a
few thousand dollars?
If I owned a slice (and I'm not planning on buying one), I wouldn't
look down at it thinking this is a piece of the realization of one's
man dream, because all it got him in the end was $60/g.

I don't know about you, but I consider my dreams to be worth more than
that, and it would cost a hell of a lot more for you to get me to sell
them.

You're treating it like it's a business.  Calling it something else
seems strange -- and calling it priceless...all this sentimental talk
from someone who just sliced up a beautiful stone strikes me as a
little funny.

I'll take it quietly while a dealer dices with no pretext [to make
money], but thisthis annoys me significantly more.

Is it really the dream of most people out there to simply find a new
fall for the cash in it?  Are meteorite enthusiasts on the whole
really coming to that?

I feel as though this message might give the wrong impression - I
can't begin to convey how happy I am for Joe and his truly spectacular
find, but what I'm seeing is the exact opposite of what I would expect
from someone who just found the meteorite of his or her dreams...and
it's beyond disappointing to me if this is really what meteorite
hunters hope to do with their 'dream finds...'

Jason

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Greg Catterton
star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Hi to all, an update to my AD.
  All samples I had available have been sold or are on hold.
 
  Joe's stone is an awesome find.
  Since I have known Joe, he has been wanting and wishing for a 
 local fall he could go to.
  He got his wish with the WI fall. This was for him as the 
 Whetstone was for Jack.
  It was meant to be.
  Joe had his kids with him and together, his wish came true.
  That alone is enough of a story make his find worth more then any 
 hammer, or any other stone found from this fall.
  The Kerchner Stone is a sample to be had for any collection as 
 it is shows as an example that wishes do come true.
  I will be getting one, even though I have some already

Re: [meteorite-list] AD: For Fun ... 51 Gram Hammer Stone On Ebay....$710

2010-04-28 Thread atul
Wow- 
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-Original Message-
From: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:49:51 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: For Fun ... 51 Gram Hammer Stone On Ebay


Reserve is less than the going rate

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200466135832


Best Wishes

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: WI fall- Bill kies

2010-04-26 Thread atul
Hi AL
To clarify- I meant that  I don't buy meteorites at a fall and resell them- 
I don't know who this  Bill kies is but he has been sending me terse emails 
last night demanding I send him this or that data about WI and PF. I intend to 
ignore him till he can send polite and respectable  emails.

Anyway I hope all is well with you. I have not been on met list since 2005.
Pls call me or email me your ph nos- 
Thanks
Atul kumar
 
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-Original Message-
From: almi...@localnet.com
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:12:53 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

Hi Atul and all,

First, I am pretty sure that I received a Park Forest map from Atul 
after I made the request. I know he shared information with 
researchers. I would also say this is a trustworthy individual if you 
want to give up your data so he can do some ploting.

With that said, what bothers me a bit while you may no longer collect 
or buy meteorites, you certainly purchased meteorites from me at one of 
the NIAG Conventions. I know you were using strictly for education but 
you did buy them at that time.All my best to all.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


Quoting atul atulkuma...@yahoo.com:


PS - I neither buy or sell
 stones-just do it for the fun.
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 BlackBerry

 Bill kies-I don't remember you- and certainly don't remember getting 
 any data from a  bill kies.

 Thank you
 Atul kumar
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 -Original Message-
 From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:40:48
 To: balisterja...@att.net
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  WI fall- new data for strewn field map.


 I remember Atul making the same request during Park Forest but I 
 don't remember seeing his final results.

 Please post your Park Forest map, Atul.



 
 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:20:27 -0700
 From: balisterja...@att.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

 Are you going to put the map up for the list?



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 From: atul
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 9:38:15 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

 Hi all - I just spent 3 days in the area. New finds are coming in-
 I have
 enough stones with authenticated data(by me) to make a prelim strewn field
 map as a very amateur attempt .
 If any degreed people. On the list can help
 get this refined - I would appreciate the help.

 If you have a confirmed
 find- and wish to share data- I wecome it.

 Rob matson has been very
 helpful and I wish to thank him.

 I belive we should see more 200 and 300
 gram pcs soon.

 Please send data with pic to me -off list
 pls-
 Regards
 Atul kumar
 Very amateur astronomer
 Educational director
 -
 Calumet astonomical society

 PS - I neither buy or sell
 stones-just do it for the fun.
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 Subject:
 [meteorite-list] Venus Catastrophic Resurfacing Hypothesis

 Challenged

 Dear Friends,

 Ribbon tessera terrain on Venus
 challenges catastrophic
 resurfacing hypothesis.

 Venus Records a Rich
 Early History
 ScienceDaily, March 25,
 2010)

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100326125438.htm

 the
 paper is:

 Hansen, V. L., and I. Lopez, 2010, Venus records
 a rich
 early history. Geology. vol. 38, no. 4,
 pp. 311-314,
 doi:10.1130/G30587.1

 http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/4/311.abstract

 Hansen,
 V. L., and I. Lopez, 2009, Implications of
 Venus Evolution Based on Ribbon
 Tessera Terrain
 Relations Within Five Large Regional Areas. 40th
 Lunar and
 Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar
 and Planetary Science XL), held March
 23-27, 2009
 in The Woodlands, Texas,
 id.2306

 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2009/pdf/2306.pdf

 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009LPI40.2306H

 A
 related article:

 Did A Mega-Collision Alter Venus?
 ScienceDaily (Feb.
 27,
 2008)

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080226160017.htm

 The
 paper is:

 Davis, H. J., 2009, Did a mega-collision dry
 Venus'
 interior? Earth and Planetary Science Letters.
 vol. 268, no. 3-4,
 pp.
 376-383.

 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2008.01.031

 Yours,

 Paul
 H.
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[meteorite-list] WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

2010-04-25 Thread atul
Hi all - I just spent 3 days in the area. New finds are coming in-
I have enough stones with  authenticated data(by me) to make a prelim strewn 
field map as a very amateur attempt .
If any degreed people. On the list can help get this refined - I would 
appreciate the help.

If you have a confirmed find- and wish to share data- I wecome it.

Rob matson has been very helpful and I wish to thank him.

I belive we should see more 200 and 300 gram pcs soon.

Please send data with pic to me -off list pls-
Regards
Atul kumar
Very amateur astronomer
Educational director -
Calumet astonomical society

PS - I neither buy or  sell stones-just do it for the fun. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:06:51 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Venus Catastrophic Resurfacing Hypothesis
Challenged

Dear Friends,

Ribbon tessera terrain on Venus challenges catastrophic
resurfacing hypothesis.

Venus Records a Rich Early History
ScienceDaily, March 25, 2010)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100326125438.htm

the paper is:

Hansen, V. L., and I. Lopez, 2010, Venus records
a rich early history. Geology. vol. 38, no. 4,
pp. 311-314, doi:10.1130/G30587.1

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/4/311.abstract

Hansen, V. L., and I. Lopez, 2009, Implications of
Venus Evolution Based on Ribbon Tessera Terrain
Relations Within Five Large Regional Areas. 40th
Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar
and Planetary Science XL), held March 23-27, 2009
in The Woodlands, Texas, id.2306

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2009/pdf/2306.pdf

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009LPI40.2306H

A related article:

Did A Mega-Collision Alter Venus?
ScienceDaily (Feb. 27, 2008)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080226160017.htm

The paper is:

Davis, H. J., 2009, Did a mega-collision dry Venus'
interior? Earth and Planetary Science Letters.
vol. 268, no. 3-4, pp. 376-383.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2008.01.031

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

2010-04-25 Thread atul
Bill kies-I don't remember you- and certainly don't remember getting any data 
from a  bill kies.

Thank you
Atul kumar
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-Original Message-
From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:40:48 
To: balisterja...@att.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  WI fall- new data for strewn field map.


I remember Atul making the same request during Park Forest but I don't remember 
seeing his final results.
 
Please post your Park Forest map, Atul.
 



 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:20:27 -0700
 From: balisterja...@att.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

 Are you going to put the map up for the list?



 - Forwarded Message 
 From: atul 
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 9:38:15 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] WI fall- new data for strewn field map.

 Hi all - I just spent 3 days in the area. New finds are coming in-
 I have
 enough stones with authenticated data(by me) to make a prelim strewn field
 map as a very amateur attempt .
 If any degreed people. On the list can help
 get this refined - I would appreciate the help.

 If you have a confirmed
 find- and wish to share data- I wecome it.

 Rob matson has been very
 helpful and I wish to thank him.

 I belive we should see more 200 and 300
 gram pcs soon.

 Please send data with pic to me -off list
 pls-
 Regards
 Atul kumar
 Very amateur astronomer
 Educational director
 -
 Calumet astonomical society

 PS - I neither buy or sell
 stones-just do it for the fun.
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless
 BlackBerry

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 href=mailto:oxytropidoce...@cox.net;oxytropidoce...@cox.net
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 Subject:
 [meteorite-list] Venus Catastrophic Resurfacing Hypothesis

 Challenged

 Dear Friends,

 Ribbon tessera terrain on Venus
 challenges catastrophic
 resurfacing hypothesis.

 Venus Records a Rich
 Early History
 ScienceDaily, March 25,
 2010)

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100326125438.htm

 the
 paper is:

 Hansen, V. L., and I. Lopez, 2010, Venus records
 a rich
 early history. Geology. vol. 38, no. 4,
 pp. 311-314,
 doi:10.1130/G30587.1

 http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/4/311.abstract

 Hansen,
 V. L., and I. Lopez, 2009, Implications of
 Venus Evolution Based on Ribbon
 Tessera Terrain
 Relations Within Five Large Regional Areas. 40th
 Lunar and
 Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar
 and Planetary Science XL), held March
 23-27, 2009
 in The Woodlands, Texas,
 id.2306

 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2009/pdf/2306.pdf

 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009LPI40.2306H

 A
 related article:

 Did A Mega-Collision Alter Venus?
 ScienceDaily (Feb.
 27,
 2008)

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080226160017.htm

 The
 paper is:

 Davis, H. J., 2009, Did a mega-collision dry
 Venus'
 interior? Earth and Planetary Science Letters.
 vol. 268, no. 3-4,
 pp.
 376-383.

 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2008.01.031

 Yours,

 Paul
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Re: [meteorite-list] Glassy globules and dumbell glass micros from park forest-will be in WI this weekend

2010-04-22 Thread atul
Hi
I have Glassy globules and dumbell glass micros from park forest.
If anyone is working on these-
Pls contact me off list-
I will be in WI this weekend mapping.
Atul kumar
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-Original Message-
From: mlangen lmlangenf...@tds.net
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:54:53 
To: Fries, Marc D \(3225\)marc.d.fr...@jpl.nasa.gov; meteorite 
listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elemantary School Boy Finds Meteorite
inhis   schoolyard!!

A good idea ... except, by some estimates, it is just possible the 
strewnfield could extend into Lafayette County, as well.

Mark

P.S. Have any of the finds to date actually been made in Grant County?

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elemantary School Boy Finds Meteorite inhis 
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 Solves the problem of  multiple Livingstons as well.

 Cheers,
 Marc Fries




 On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Darryl Pitt wrote:



 Might I suggest memorializing the same and naming this fall Iowa-
 Grant in honor of all those involved in the outreach at the school of
 the same name, which conveniently also happens to be the names of two
 of the counties in which the meteorite fell.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston, where is everyone meeting-

2010-04-18 Thread atul
What's the exact location ???or crossroads - 
Call or email me pls
Atul kumar
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:04:56 
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston, I presume?


Hello all,
 
 attempting SOME education I'd just give up. We live in a world that 
still has folks that believe we didn't go to the moon.they believe the 
world is only a few thousand years old hell, my EX-mother-in-law thought 
the moon was the sun cooling down at night... (YES, I did ask the EX wife if 
her mother had a stroke when she saw both out at the same time).
 
I have people I work with that think the end is coming , (* SIGH * again) . 
2012, the volcano in Iceland is proof you know!
 
I do suppose you will reach some young mind that can benefit from some real 
information. I have found that most folks that bring me a wrong can be offended 
with the bad news. I have taken a new approach with people now... I let them 
know why I can understand they thought it was a meteorite and then slip in some 
education without seeming like a complete ass. 
 
Some people will believe in unicorns and doubt carbon dating. Don't hurt your 
brain trying to help them. Smile and nod friend smile nod.
 
 
Warren Sansoucie



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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:51:24 -0500
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Livingston, I presume?

 Here come the slags!

 http://zspang.tumblr.com/post/529437435/meteor

 Taken from post #39 on this thread where I'm attempting SOME education.

 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/04/16/wisconsin-meteor-update-meteorite-found/

 Got a cameo appearnce by Terri Haag, too. I assume she's the wife?
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Re: [meteorite-list] pics and classification- important for ruben

2010-04-18 Thread atul
Hi ruben
What color inside?? Any special features?? 
Any evidence of a double matrix??

And color of crust-
Also shape-
And pics and I can tell you where what type of pcs are to be found-

I spent 2 months cataloging PF and made the PF strewn field map within 3 days.

I am not a dealer-
Will try and visit Area in a few days.
Pls pls send pics-with wt and size in inches if poss- I will not fwd. Your data 
to anyone.

I am getting data from others too-
In return I can give you a bigger picture.
Of the whole fall.
Save me one-
Thanks
Atul
Calumet astro society.
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Sent: Apr 18, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More WI finds

Hi,

I said there were no miss quotes, but he didn't quite understand my
answer to his how much are meteorites worth   I refused to speculate
on the value of this fall as we have no idea how much will be found.
If this fall has a low TKW they will be expensive - Very high TKW -
cheap.

My answer was to how much a typical chondrite might sell for $2-8.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:
 On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:38:39 -0700, you wrote:


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_cf225d46-4b48-11df-bed3-001c
c4c03286.html

 Depending on factors such as quality, shape and market variability, Garcia
 said, meteorites can fetch between $2 and $8 per gram.

 Can I place my order now for $2 to $8 per gram pieces of this fall?
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[meteorite-list] photos of Orissa fragment available

2003-10-22 Thread Atul Kumar



I have recieved photos ofone small 
orissa fragment.

Anyone who wants to se the pics please email 
me.

Mike Farmer- let me know if you want to put the 
pics on your website.
It is approx 5 cms x 3 cms in size- Not for 
sale.

Also- mike what was the closest post office- so we 
can start calling it by its proper futurename.

Also it is pretty obvious that the report in the 
newspaper is erronous.


Atul Kumar

219-308-8282


[meteorite-list] Fireballs with Sonic Booms - bolides in last 2-3 weeks - World Travel

2003-10-16 Thread Atul Kumar




1. Good information re: sonic booms- I and i am 
sure many others enjoyed this information. Lets have more info and less 
(read NONE)
conflict.
2.Anyone have any comments on the recent flurry of 
fireball reports,and fallsand any possible explanations for the increase 
in this reporting or is it an actual increase in the number of 
bolides.

3.World Travel- 
When we read an email from- or meet in person 
a fellow from a distant land - we form opinions about them, their culture (or 
lack thereof),mannerisms, politeness or rudenness ETC ETC.

We on this list need to remember that we are 
all Ambassadors of our respective lands and countries, and to the people who 
travel far and beyond- to distant places on the globe-(or email)-
Remember we are the yardstick that these other 
people we come into face to face contact with will view as the typical 
American,Irishman, or Indian for that matter. Please conduct yourself in manners 
and mannerisms that befit your country.Your conduct will determine their opinion 
of your country. Take pride in it.


Thanks
Atul Kumar

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[meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too

2003-10-10 Thread Atul Kumar



Dear All- and Mike Farmer
While poor people of the area have just had 
their thached (straw) roofs blow off their Mud houses ,and their mud houses are 
turning into more mud,and people are dying and even more will die from the 
diseases to come,we get to hear about the carnage ,and learn about their misery 
sitting at our computers.

Into this mayhem that is India arrives one 
Foreigner(as they are called) in 2 cars/jeeps with a purpose.He wants the 
rocks that fell from the sky.
Mike travels exactly half way around the 
world for meteorites,and ends up with a flood,starvation,and disease.Not to 
mention he is among people who have never seen a refrigerator- and would not 
know what to do with it even if they did see one.
They have neverknown electricity- unless they 
travel to town.
Maybe he can do something to help the poor people 
there,even if they dont have METEORITES TO BARTER FOR FOOD.

COWS-
They are a part of the household- almost a member of the family- like a pet 
dog is- sort of-
They wander during the day looking for foliage,and in the evening come back 
home - to be milked.The reason they are on the road in Mikes way is because they 
are lost- or decide they dont want to sit in the flooded area today.They are 
trying to stay dry, or maybe their way home is blocked by water.
Milk is the major source of protien and fat for most of India.The milk 
extracted is usually gone fast -They dont need refrigerators- there are more 
mouths in the household than the cow can fill.

ROADS
Mikes description of the road travel left out this-
As the only decent part of the road is the middle every vehicle travels in 
the middle of the road.There is nothing dividing oncoming traffic from your 
vehicle.
When you see a vehicle coming- you have to make a quick decision whether 
you want to get off the road
or if you want to get him off the road
or if you want to see if he wants to play the who,s going to get off last 
game.
The larger (read TATA) usually wins the middle ground.

I musttell youabout the TATA tramplers -
(These are 7 ton trucks loaded with 20 -30 tons of freight- i call them 
Tramplers) hopelessly overloaded ,usually leaning to one side,engines 
over-revving under the load,and they do trample everthing in their 
path.


Travelling in rural Indiacan be great 
fun.I go as often as i can,doing volunteer Wildlife work while i am 
there.

INDIAN HOSPITALITY
If there is one bed in the home- the guest sleeps 
in it- the rest on the floor.
If there is one meal- for the whole family to 
share- the guest gets it.
It is very very humbling to learn that there is so 
much we can learn from these poor people.

The tone of mikes email seems to suggest he has 
finally found what enthalls people of the world with India.There is so much to 
love - and so much to dislike.
It is a land of paradoxes.
His emails exude a sense of resigned acceptance 
about the things he is seeing.makes me homesick just reading his 
emails.



Anyway my contact reports that Recovery efforts 
have been dismal.The water is everywhere as the mini cyclone from last week 
brought the ocean to the peoples doorstep in more ways than one.

MIKE- Ask about when the Arribida is- Millions of 
Indian Sea Going turtles come to the very beaches you are near to lay their eggs 
and then even more millions hatch and go back to the sea to continue the 
cycle that has continued from times immemorial .It is a sight of a 
lifetime.
The turtles that hatch here- will only come back to 
the very beach they were born - in a few years to lay their eggs.Radio telemetry 
has established this recently.
And it took us 2000 AD yrs to discover GPS.The 
turtles have us beat by a few million years.
PS- the word Arrabida wascoined by the 
spanish inhabitants of India-I think it means the arrival.

Regards
Atul kumar





[meteorite-list] Orissa INDIA- Report recd from the strewn field

2003-10-09 Thread Atul Kumar



Current conditions at the strewn field areand 
have been Wet wet and WET.
There was a mini cyclone last week,and it has been 
raining ever since. There is knee deep water in most places and inthe 
fields.
This place is 30 KM from town in arural 
coastal village.Thepeople i am in touch with have been waiting for 
the rains to subside for a number of days now.

Recovery of too much material will probably 
be quite difficult.The strewn field also seems to be much smaller 
than initial reports.

I am told Mike Farmerarrived in the 
area today in two vehicles.He would be a much more reliable personfor 
specifics on this fall and the stones.

All stones (that they could find) have been 
collected/confiscated by the District Collector and there is an active power 
struggle going on between two Goverment agencies as to who should get the two 
larger (eggplant size) pcs and smaller onesrecovered .
So they are sitting in the District Revenue 
Collector,s office where they can be viewed- thru a window .

A government helicopter is also flying 
over the area twice a day Not sure why- perhaps looking for larger pcs. Its 
all flooded anyway.

Initial reports describe this as dark 
brown(may be the light) and VERY magnetic.That ties in well with themetal 
viens news report .
Would appreciate some input as to what kind 
of meteoritewould this probably be.

Or they may just have some magnetic stones 
completely unconnected to the fall.

Stones have been very hard to come by,but it 
is possible Mike Farmer may have better luck than we did.
I will have some more reports coming in later on 
today.I am anxious to see some pics myself.

Regards
Atul Kumar




[meteorite-list] Indian Meteorite- anyone going-Travel WARNING for the area.

2003-10-01 Thread Atul Kumar



I have heard that a few people are planning 
to travel to India for this fall, I would like to help them with 
planning out a safe trip.
My people in India tell me this area is in 
rather bad shape as far as lawlessness is concerned.

I have just also been fwd,d a news item- the Chief 
Minister (equivalent of a State Governer in the US) of the area just got blown 
up along with many of his ministers approx 2 hrs ago. He is still 
alive.

So please do contact me if you are planning to head 
out there- i can give you some tips.1. Do not travel alone- take a few big and 
beefy fellows with you. 2.Do not travel at night- thats when the rebels 
rule the countryside

I also have a few people from my India office 
headingto the fall location- and if they are able to find anything fast 
and safely they stay thereand i will get back to everyone who emailed me 
in approx 2-3 days.
This is planned as a recovery effort,and it can be 
done 
co-operatively- rather than a repeat of the circus 
i saw at Park Forest.

Atul Kumar
Collector - not Dealer

219-308-8282


[meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall in India- anyone interested in recovering a few

2003-09-29 Thread Atul Kumar




Actually it should be quite easy for me to be able 
to assist people on the list get a few pcs from this fall.

In case anyone is interested in recovering a few 
pcs of this fall pls email me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED],or call me.

I have afriend standing by in India and 
can go to the area at short notice, and can also assist anyone travelling to 
India for this.

I would be open to the idea of a joint recovery 
team,or procuring some pcs for others on the list.

Is it a confirmed fall???
Would appreciate it if we can continue to get news 
on this fall
Thanks
Atul kumar
USA
001-219-308-8282


[meteorite-list] Geological team finds parts of meteorite-INDIA

2003-09-29 Thread Atul Kumar




http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEQ20030929145648Page=QTitle=ORISSArLink=0
Geological team finds parts of 
meteorite
BHUBANESWAR: A two-member team from the 
Geological Survey of India (GSI) has located what could be called `parts' of the 
meteor in Kaptipada block of Mayurbhanj.The remnants, according to 
Director, GSI B.K. Mohanty, resemble slags and are dark in colour. However, 
these fragments are small in size and also light in weight.He said these 
parts of the meteor were retrieved from around the gutted hut in Kaptipada. 
These fragments were probably responsible for the fire in the thatched house, he 
said.However, there could still be a bigger remnant of the meteor from 
which the smaller ones emanated, Mohanty said adding, the team was looking for 
it. The main portion could be lying buried somewhere. Since a meteor travels at 
a tremendous speed after entering the Earth's atmosphere, any bigger remnant 
would pierce into the latter's surface.However, the team has now been 
instructed to visit Balasore and Bhadrak to find if any remnant has landed 
there. The team would return to Bhubaneswar on Tuesday with the 
fragments.On Monday, a second GSI team was sent to Mahakalpara block 
under Kendrapara district where a 6 kg stone-like object was found by villagers 
in Suniti.
Fwd By Atul Kumar- Calumet 
Astronomical Society***




[meteorite-list] Park Forest Data -Thanks

2003-07-10 Thread Atul Kumar



I wish to thank the people on the list who have 
contributed to the park forest database and also those who have helped me gather 
it,as well as assist with answers to amateur questions from me.

I would also like to thank anyone who wishes 
to share any info that they may have so we can get a even more 
comprehensive listing and keep adding to the finds as time goes 
by.
I am collecting data on the following
1.Weight
2. shape 
3. Location- Cross streets or 
address
4.Depth or type of surface found on- 

5. Angle of hole- and direction -if 
any
6 Photo if any.


I am waiting for data from Steve 
Witt-(ENTERPRISES)
from our club-who was gathering data on the 
north part of the fall.
I am looking for additional data on Park Forest 
complete stones and larger fragments - above 25 gms.

Please note that i am doing this strictly for non 
commercial purposes.
Regards
Atul

Note for AL Mitterling-
Besides the oriented 75 gram piece you 
displayed 
all the pcs i gave you werepart of 6 pounds 
of pea gravel sized pcs i gathered up with a large magnet over the first 
few days, and not included in the database- AT ALL-


[meteorite-list] Re: Park Forest- Strewn Field map- by Atul Kumar

2003-07-09 Thread Atul Kumar




LARRY 
CAN YOU POST THIS EMAIL BELOW ON MET CENTRAL- I 
CANNOT POST EVEN THOUGH I CAN RECIEVE THEM.
THANKS
ATUL

  
  Dear List
  I have examinedand 
  catalogued approx 100 plusstonesgreater than 25 gms 
  from this fall,concentrating mostly in the area south of Park 
  Forest.
  The footprint made by is 
  availableby email as a html inclusion in the body of the email. 
  Pls email me if you wish to see it-
  The data i have does not match the location shown 
  on the DOD release from Dr Peter Browns website that LArry Atkins fwd'd 
  to me today.
  The straight line intersection of the flight path with the ground was 
  at 41.56 North latitude, 87.67 West longitude.
  
  My collection data ofrecovered locations 
  indicates-
  a SE to NW direction for the footprint.
  FROM -41.41648North Lat, 87.58647West Long
  TO -41.50287 North Lat, 
  87.69245 West Long
  The long ellipse is approx 8.2 miles long.
  Would appreciate your input about this possible 
  anomaly, as these stoneshave only been recovered in populated areas 
  mostly.
  
  Also what exactly is 
  The 
  straight line intersection .
  
  My rawdata is available for use byall 
  for research,and would appreciate appropriate credit. I 
  spent the better part of 2 months on this fall.
  Regards
  Atul Kumar
  219-308-8282
  EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH CHAIRMAN
  CALUMET ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY.
  WWW.CASONLINE.ORG