Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern CaliforniaFor Meteorites

[dorifry]

I like the part about asteroids orbiting Jupiter before the Earth formed!

Phil Whitmer

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Verish" 

To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" 
Cc: "Marc Fries" 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:56 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern 
CaliforniaFor Meteorites




http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/10/30/rock-hunters-still-canvassing-northern-california-for-meteorites/

With the threat of rain in the Novato area, desperate measures needed to 
be taken, so we went back to soliciting the locals to look for space-rocks 
in their driveways and yards -

via the local TV news stations:

Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern California For Meteorites
October 30, 2012 6:47 PM
View Comments

Reporting Neda Iranpour
Filed under
Local, News, Seen On, Syndicated Local

NOVATO (CBS13) – A light show hard to forget brought out rock hunters who 
are still canvassing Northern California days after the asteroid came 
crashing down.


There are all kinds of rocks in parking lots and gravel in fields so how 
do they know what a meteorite is? Well, they say to look for something 
that stands out.


It may look like a tar ball to us earthlings, but according to meteorite 
hunter Bob Verish, it’s a cosmic gem.


“It shows a history of having had some catastrophic collision in the 
asteroid belt,” he said.


It’s a rock so foreign, so ancient, he says it was floating around Jupiter 
before the Earth ever formed.

Rock Hunters Still Canvassing Northern California For Meteorites

Bob Verish found this space ball worth about $10,000 while searching the 
Novato area in Marin County. (credit: CBS13)


Two weeks ago, a big, bright flash danced across the sky, sending a glow 
show across half the state.


“We don’t get many falls like this in California,” he said.

As impressive as it was when it crashed, that’s also why it’s so difficult 
to find its 4.5-billion-year-old parts.


“It came in at a lower angle. It spread out the stone,” he said.

Only four pieces have been found in Novato and they’re worth $100 per 
gram. Bob’s weighs in at about 100, making it a $10,000 rock.


It’s a true treasure for a man who once sent NASA probes to outer space. 
Now he’s probing this planet for galactic goods.


If it jumps to his magnet, he says it’s likely out of this world. Bob’s 
now convinced there are larger pieces to this puzzle in Novato.


“We try not to think about the fact that it’s worse than a needle in a 
haystack,” he said.


After searching several square miles, he’s convinced larger rocks are 
lurking.


The search seems difficult and endless. They also have to speed it up 
because every time it rains, they lose some evidence and so people like 
bob are racing against the clock. There’s another storm on the way.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Munich Show Photos

[dorifry]

Hi Marcin:

Awesome photos and show! Just one question: how did those tear-drop shaped 
tektites get stuck together?


Phil Whitmer

- Original Message - 
From: "Marcin Cimala" 

To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Show Photos



Hello
Just loaded 60 photos from the show.
http://www.polandmet.com/

:)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue

[dorifry]

Steve, it's a Chinga.

Phil Whitmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Arnold" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/space-buddha-statue-fake-fraud_n_2015587.html?ncid=webmail8

Of course it is a fake. If it is a Nantan, it would have rusted away into 
a million flakes about 997 years ago it if it was really carved 1,000 
years old. Even if it wasn't a Nantan, I would guess it still would have 
rusted to an extreme state in less than 100 years time, unless it maybe 
was a very nickel rich ataxite.



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St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite

[dorifry]

Michael,
A lot of times scientists used to working in labs with thin slices can't 
tell an ordinary chondrite from a hole in the ground. They  often specialize 
in a narrow academic field and have no experience handling all different 
types of meteorites. It's hard to beat years of hands on experience when it 
comes to field grading meteorites. Plus, these stones have highly unusual 
crust. I didn't think they were meteorites because of the weird crust, but 
it's hard to tell just from looking at an out of focus photograph.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Mulgrew" 

To: "Michael Farmer" 
Cc: ; "Brien Cook" 


Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite



Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a
meteorite?  Is anyone else concerned by that?

Michael in So. Cal.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer  
wrote:


Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am 
seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~>.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato meteorite find

[dorifry]

Moni,
Hmmm... my first impression when I saw the picture was, "that's not a 
meteorite."


Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Moni Waiblinger" 
To: ; "meteor list" 
; "bob v" 

Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato meteorite find




HI All, news brief!

Brien's seems to be the 1st find!!!

http://cams.seti.org/

Yeah!

Happy hunting, Moni



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Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member

[dorifry]

Yep, that's what he wants.
He filed a claim for not receiving his two small 869s four days after the 
auction. He never asked for the paperwork until he filed the claim. Avoid 
like the plague!


Phil Whitmer
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From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 

To: "Gary Fujihara" 
Cc: "dorifry" ; 


Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member



Hi List,

Well, museum paperwork for each meteorite, including unclassifieds and
NWA's, sounds like a reasonably insane request to me!  Tell abrams62
to contact AMNH and request some himself :

American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024-5192

Email contact form : http://www.amnh.org/common/contact/

Tell abrams62 he can get the quickest response by asking for professor
Hubert J. Farnsworth.

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On 10/23/12, Gary Fujihara  wrote:

Aloha list members,

Ebay buyer abrams62 pulled the same stunt on me. At first he asked for
separate invoices for each item, which he stated he would pay separately 
by
different sources. Then he asked for me to ship out the meteorites he won 
in

auction COD, to be paid after he looked and "approved" them.

Uh, I don't think so. Now he wants ownership certificate / title of each
meteorite from an expert in the American (sic) Musiem of natural history.
Well, thats not going to happen, and because payment has not been 
remitted,
he has joined a motley assortment of blocked bidders I have created. If 
you

want to share lists of blocked bidders, email me off list. Mahalo nui and
have a great day.

gary

On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:24 AM, dorifry  wrote:


Please check abram62 's feedback before dealing with him. If you still
choose to deal with him, I wish you the best of luck. He's running some
kind of con.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member


Hi Mirko and list,

We communicated over the eBay email about this bidder. He is currently
bidding on some of my items on ebay (almittmet). I offer shipping in
two days depending on payment. I sometimes think the people up to no
good have questionable ID's in hopes you will ship before payment.
That's always a mistake if you do.

Ebay offers up so much buyer protection and I'm just not going to send
an item before payment unless I know the buyer. I'll let the list know
as there are many sellers on ebay here if I have anytrouble with this
bidder, in the event he wins and doesn't come through. Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Mirko Graul :


Dear List Members,

someone knows the ebay member "abram62" ?
What experiences have you done?
The last 2 years the member has bought nothing.
No feedbacks on ebay for the last 2 years.
All I see is that he has buy a lot from meteorites dealers ...
..I have a bad feeling...

Regards Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)
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(808) 640-9161
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member

[dorifry]

Please check abram62 's feedback before dealing with him. If you still 
choose to deal with him, I wish you the best of luck. He's running some kind 
of con.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member


Hi Mirko and list,

We communicated over the eBay email about this bidder. He is currently
bidding on some of my items on ebay (almittmet). I offer shipping in
two days depending on payment. I sometimes think the people up to no
good have questionable ID's in hopes you will ship before payment.
That's always a mistake if you do.

Ebay offers up so much buyer protection and I'm just not going to send
an item before payment unless I know the buyer. I'll let the list know
as there are many sellers on ebay here if I have anytrouble with this
bidder, in the event he wins and doesn't come through. Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Mirko Graul :


Dear List Members,

someone knows the ebay member "abram62" ?
What experiences have you done?
The last 2 years the member has bought nothing.
No feedbacks on ebay for the last 2 years.
All I see is that he has buy a lot from meteorites dealers ...
..I have a bad feeling...

Regards Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed byDiscoveries on Mars Cognitive Dissonance

[dorifry]

Astronomers concluded it was axis tilt behind Martian climate change, and
then after the fact used computer models to predict what already happened.

On Earth, human-generated carbon dioxide is assumed to be the main driver of
climate change. Computer models that can't predict the weather for more than
three days in advance were used to predict climate change hundreds of years
into the future.

Is one of these premises false?

The Earth has been warming up for the last 18,000 years, possibly from
astronomical factors such as orbital variation, axial tilt variation,
Milankovitch cycles, etc.

If this study really vindicated global climate modeling, wouldn't it have
concluded the Earth's climate change is also due to changing astronomical
factors?

This seems like an obvious contradiction.

Sorry for the double post!

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Baalke" 

To: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed 
byDiscoveries on Mars





NEWS RELEASE FROM THE PLANETARY SCIENCE INSTITUTE

FROM:
Alan Fischer
Public
Information Officer
Planetary Science Institute
520-382-0411
520-622-6300
fisc...@psi.edu

Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed by Discoveries on Mars

Oct. 16, 2012, Tucson, Ariz. and Reno, Nev. -- Scientific modeling methods
that predicted climate change on Earth have been found to be accurate on 
Mars

as well, according to a paper presented at an international planetary
sciences conference Tuesday.

An international team of researchers from the Planetary Science Institute in
Tucson, working with French colleagues, found that an unusual concentration 
of

glacial features on Mars matches predictions made by global climate
computerized models, in terms of both age and location.

PSI Senior Scientist William K. Hartmann led the team, which included 
Francois
Forget (Université Paris), who did the Martian climate modeling, and 
Veronique
Ansan and Nicolas Mangold (Université de Nantes) and Daniel Berman (PSI), 
all

of who analyzed spacecraft measurements regarding the glaciers.

"Some public figures imply that modeling of global climate change on Earth 
is

'junk science,' but if climate models can explain features observed on other
planets, then the models must have at least some validity," said team leader
Hartmann.

Hartmann presented the report, "Science of Global Climate Modeling: 
Confirmation
from Discoveries On Mars," at the annual meeting of the Division of 
Planetary

Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in Reno, Nev.

The scientific team reached their conclusions by combining four different
aspects of Martian geological mapping and Martian climate science in recent
years.  They noted that the climate models, the presence of glaciers,
the ages of the glacial surface layers, and radar confirmation of ice
in same general area, all gave consistent results - that the glaciers
formed in a specific region of Mars, due to unusual climate circumstances,
just as indicated by the climate model.

The work has a long background. As early 1993, astronomers analyzed the 
changing
tilt of Mars' rotational axis and found that during high-tilt Martian 
episodes,
the axis tilt can exceed 45 degrees. Under this extreme condition, the 
summer
hemisphere is strongly tilted toward the sun, and Mars' polar ice cap in 
that

hemisphere evaporates, increasing water vapor in the Martian air, thus
increasing the chances for snowfall in the dark, cold, winter hemisphere.
The last such episodes happened on Mars 5 million to 20 million years ago.

By 2001-2006, various French and American researchers applied the
global climate computer models to study this effect. The computer programs
were originally developed for planet Earth to estimate climate effects,
from hurricane paths to CO2 greenhouse warming. Planetary scientists simply
applied the Martian topography, atmosphere, and gravity, in order to run
the computer calculations for Mars. The calculations indicated a strong
concentration of winter snow and ice in a mid-latitude southern region
of Mars, just east of a huge Martian impact basin named Hellas.

At the same time, the PSI scientists independently discovered an unusual
concentration of glacial features in a 40-mile-wide crater named "Greg"
centered in the same region.  Their analysis showed that the surface layers
of the glaciers formed at the same time as the predicted climate extremes,
about 5 million to 20 million years ago.

"The bottom line is that the global climate models indicate that the last
few intense deposits of ice occurred about 5 million to 15 million years 
ago,

virtually centered on Greg crater, and that's just where the spacecraft
data reveal glaciers whose surface layers date from that time," Hartmann
said. "If global climate models indicate specific concentration of ice-rich
features where and when we actually see them on 

Re: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed byDiscoveries on Mars Cognitive Dissonance

[dorifry]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Baalke" 

To: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed 
byDiscoveries on Mars





NEWS RELEASE FROM THE PLANETARY SCIENCE INSTITUTE

FROM:
Alan Fischer
Public
Information Officer
Planetary Science Institute
520-382-0411
520-622-6300
fisc...@psi.edu

Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed by Discoveries on Mars

Oct. 16, 2012, Tucson, Ariz. and Reno, Nev. -- Scientific modeling methods
that predicted climate change on Earth have been found to be accurate on 
Mars

as well, according to a paper presented at an international planetary
sciences conference Tuesday.

An international team of researchers from the Planetary Science Institute in
Tucson, working with French colleagues, found that an unusual concentration 
of

glacial features on Mars matches predictions made by global climate
computerized models, in terms of both age and location.

PSI Senior Scientist William K. Hartmann led the team, which included 
Francois
Forget (Université Paris), who did the Martian climate modeling, and 
Veronique
Ansan and Nicolas Mangold (Université de Nantes) and Daniel Berman (PSI), 
all

of who analyzed spacecraft measurements regarding the glaciers.

"Some public figures imply that modeling of global climate change on Earth 
is

'junk science,' but if climate models can explain features observed on other
planets, then the models must have at least some validity," said team leader
Hartmann.

Hartmann presented the report, "Science of Global Climate Modeling: 
Confirmation
from Discoveries On Mars," at the annual meeting of the Division of 
Planetary

Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in Reno, Nev.

The scientific team reached their conclusions by combining four different
aspects of Martian geological mapping and Martian climate science in recent
years.  They noted that the climate models, the presence of glaciers,
the ages of the glacial surface layers, and radar confirmation of ice
in same general area, all gave consistent results - that the glaciers
formed in a specific region of Mars, due to unusual climate circumstances,
just as indicated by the climate model.

The work has a long background. As early 1993, astronomers analyzed the 
changing
tilt of Mars' rotational axis and found that during high-tilt Martian 
episodes,
the axis tilt can exceed 45 degrees. Under this extreme condition, the 
summer
hemisphere is strongly tilted toward the sun, and Mars' polar ice cap in 
that

hemisphere evaporates, increasing water vapor in the Martian air, thus
increasing the chances for snowfall in the dark, cold, winter hemisphere.
The last such episodes happened on Mars 5 million to 20 million years ago.

By 2001-2006, various French and American researchers applied the
global climate computer models to study this effect. The computer programs
were originally developed for planet Earth to estimate climate effects,
from hurricane paths to CO2 greenhouse warming. Planetary scientists simply
applied the Martian topography, atmosphere, and gravity, in order to run
the computer calculations for Mars. The calculations indicated a strong
concentration of winter snow and ice in a mid-latitude southern region
of Mars, just east of a huge Martian impact basin named Hellas.

At the same time, the PSI scientists independently discovered an unusual
concentration of glacial features in a 40-mile-wide crater named "Greg"
centered in the same region.  Their analysis showed that the surface layers
of the glaciers formed at the same time as the predicted climate extremes,
about 5 million to 20 million years ago.

"The bottom line is that the global climate models indicate that the last
few intense deposits of ice occurred about 5 million to 15 million years 
ago,

virtually centered on Greg crater, and that's just where the spacecraft
data reveal glaciers whose surface layers date from that time," Hartmann
said. "If global climate models indicate specific concentration of ice-rich
features where and when we actually see them on a distant planet, then
climate modeling should not be sarcastically dismissed.  Our results provide
an important, teachable refutation of the attacks on climate science on our
home planet."


Images and maps supporting the paper are available at
http://www.psi.edu/news/hartmanndps.html

A web-based photo tour of Greg Crater is available at
http://www.psi.edu/~hartmann/Greg_crater.html



CONTACT:
William
K. Hartmann
Senior Scientist
hartm...@psi.edu

PSI INFORMATION:
Mark V.
Sykes
Director
520-622-6300
sy...@psi.edu


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Re: [meteorite-list] Did Chicxulub have an accomplice?

[dorifry]

In addition to the big marine lizards, the dinosaurs were also killed off!

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Did Chicxulub have an accomplice?


According to this study, Chicxulub had help in wiping out the big 
lizards -


http://science.time.com/2012/09/11/second-gunman-in-death-of-the-dinosaurs/?hpt=hp_t3

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Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords

[dorifry]

Keeping it secret would weed out the unprofessional riff raffs that could 
potentially cause problems for everybody.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Musuem
- Original Message - 
From: "Marc Fries" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords



Greetings all

I've been talking with a few people about logging the Battle Mountain 
meteorites, and I'd like to start some discussion on the topic of find 
coordinates. This is NOT directed at any one person, but I would like to 
editorialize a bit. I'm getting a lot of push-back about printing find 
coordinates and I'd like to open the topic to general discussion.


Historically, the locations of found meteorites have been a closely 
guarded secret. That made a lot of sense when meteorite hunting relied 
most heavily on eyewitness reports. A hunter could easily put in many, 
many miles of walking before coming across a meteorite. For finds that are 
made with weather radar, however, I don't think its the same situation. 
When I post radar analyses, it is like posting a treasure map that says, 
"Go Here".  At that point everyone knows where the meteorites are, and it 
seems to me that the locations of individual stones aren't nearly as 
important as they were in the past. (Strewn fields without detailed radar 
data are another matter, of course.) Where those locations do matter are 
to A) the science behind describing the meteorite fall, and B) the value 
of the individual meteorite since a well-documented meteorite should be 
worth more than a random stone from a given fall.


I am a scientist, and my first instinct is to collect, analyze, 
and -share- data. I understand where that is at odds with the level of 
secrecy needed in the past, but I think that that level of secrecy is no 
longer needed and actually works contrary to the value of meteorites, both 
monetary and scientific. On the Galactic Analytics website, I'm willing to 
go against my better instincts and hide find locations, at least until a 
scientific paper is released describing the fall. But to be honest, I 
think that's a little silly - I'll basically have a table showing 
meteorites with the find locations redacted, and then you can scroll down 
the page a bit and see a map showing where the meteorites are.


So let me throw this out there as a general question - is it really 
important to hide the find locations?


Cheers,
Marc Fries
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

[dorifry]

Or if it hit a piece of flint.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Peterson" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?


I've never heard a credible account of a fire started by a meteorite fall, 
and on theoretical grounds, there's no reason we would ever expect a 
meteorite to be hot enough to start a fire. Of course, that doesn't 
discount a secondary effect, such as a meteorite causing a fire by 
puncturing a propane tank, severing a power line, or any number of 
improbable but possible events.


Certainly, a meteorite that strikes while still traveling at a hypersonic 
speed could dissipate enough energy to start a fire, but such events are 
exceedingly rare, and would be expected to leave very obvious evidence 
(such as a crater).


Chris

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On 8/27/2012 1:52 PM, André Moutinho wrote:

Hello all,

I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from 
the sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area.
Witnesses heared a loud buzz and soon noticed smoke and fire on a nearby 
mountain. Some work have been done on the
local by the fire department and nothing was found related to aircraft or 
any other kind of device.


Does anyone know any similar case caused by a meteorite? These are not 
common events related to meteorite falls.


Thanks
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

[dorifry]

No, it's never happened, it's impossible. I wish people would stop saying 
it.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "André Moutinho" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:52 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?



Hello all,

I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from 
the sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area.
Witnesses heared a loud buzz and soon noticed smoke and fire on a nearby 
mountain. Some work have been done on the
local by the fire department and nothing was found related to aircraft or 
any other kind of device.


Does anyone know any similar case caused by a meteorite? These are not 
common events related to meteorite falls.


Thanks
Andre Moutinho
IMCA 2731
http://www.meteorito.com.br


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Re: [meteorite-list] another crazy ebay sale

[dorifry]

He has almost the exact same symptoms as the lunar meteorite guy from 
Colorado. There should be a name for this disorder and a new drug to fight 
it.  Lunaiteitis? Looneyitis? Lunar Meteorite Delusional Syndrome? (LMDS)


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Mulgrew" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] another crazy ebay sale



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Meteorite-/190714578538?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6779866a

So many crazies out there...

-Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity Camera.

[dorifry]

Why in the world would there be a Confederate flag on Curiosity? Old Glory 
maybe, but the Stars and Bars, no way!


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "Count Deiro" 
To: "Greg Hupé" ; 


Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity 
Camera.




Hi Greg,

Curiosity was the combined effort of, I believe, eight nation's 
contributions. I know that five, or six, of the on board experiments are 
constructed and monitored by foreign labs and personnel.


So, no great big Stars and Bars sticker that I know of. Perhaps, there is 
a combo decal somewhere on it.


Best,

Guido


-Original Message-

From: Greg Hupé 
Sent: Aug 17, 2012 10:28 AM
To: Count Deiro , 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity 
Camera.


Very cool link and interactive viewer for us to enjoy the ride with
Curiosity!
I see a few dozen nuclear decals, the NASA & JPL emblems (small), but 
where

is the good 'ol Stars & Stripes at?? ;-/

Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- 
From: Count Deiro

Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:23 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impressive Viewer Interactive HD Curiosity 
Camera.


Hello Listees,

Be able to interact with the HD image is as realistic as it gets. You ARE 
on

mars and with the best images ever..http://www.360pano.eu/show/?id=731

Enjoy,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
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Re: [meteorite-list] Man claims he found meteorite making Dyson’s find — if it is a meteorite — worth about $2.3 million.

[dorifry]

If that's a meteorite, then I'm the Queen of England!

Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Alan" 

To: "Meteorite Central" 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Man claims he found meteorite making Dyson’s 
find — if it is a meteorite — worth about $2.3 million.




Hello Listers

Came across this article today about some guy finding a meteorite that 
could be worth 2.3 million . If only it was that easy, well with some 
hunters it is :) but me being a city boy, I think it would be hard for me 
to go look for a meteorite on Park Ave or 5 ave lol :)


Down below is an abstract from the article and the link.

Shawn Alan
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?
http://www.meteoritefalls.com/


Man claims he found meteorite near Merritt
A prospector who was panning for gold alongside the Coldwater River last 
month came across something he believes is not of this world.
An unusual-loooking rock glistened from beneath about four feet of water, 
resting above other rocks that were covered with algae.
“I think that if this rock were here for a while, it would have also been 
covered with algae,” Arnold Dyson, a former miner and prospector, said of 
his July 8 discovery.

He said with “99 per cent certainty” that this rock is a meteorite.
“Just look at the way the surface looks melted,” he said. “You can also 
see where the impact was made.

“I’ve seen a lot of rocks in my day, but this is unusual.”

http://www.merrittherald.com/news/166428806.html

I think all humans have meteorite madness in them :)))
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic Quasicrystals: Secret Diaries,Smugglers and KGB Agents; Oh My!

[dorifry]

Let me try that again:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/aug/13/further-proof-of-extraterrestrial-origin-of-quasicrystals

Phil Whitmer
- Original Message - 
From: "dorifry" 

To: "meteorite central" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic Quasicrystals: Secret Diaries,Smugglers 
and KGB Agents; Oh My!



You would think if carbonaceous chondritic asteroids could make crystals
with 10-fold rotational symmetry, they could make something like RNA too?

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/aug/13/further-proof-of-extraterrestrial-origin-of-quasicrystalsFurtherproof of extraterrestrial origin of quasicrystalsAn 
international team ofresearchers has found nine new samples of naturallyoccurring quasicrystals.The work also provides further proof thatquasicrystals were delivered to 
theEarth by a meteorite. The team'sdiscovery challenges our understanding ofboth crystallography andsolar-system formation.Conventional crystalstructures are made of atoms, 
or clusters of atoms,that repeat periodically.These patterns are normally restricted to two,three, four or sixfoldrotational symmetry - the numbers corresponding tohow many 
times the crystalappears the same during a rotation through 360°.For a long time these wereconsidered hard and fast rules, and no crystalsthat broke these conditionswere 
thought to exist.Ordered, but not periodicHowever, Israeli physicistDaniel Shechtman found just such a rule-breakingcrystal in 1984 and wasawarded the 2011 Nobel Prize for 
Chemistry for hisefforts. Shechtman haddiscovered a quasicrystal - a crystal that, whileordered, does not containstructures that repeat periodically. Schectman'scrystal also 
had 10-foldrotational symmetry. Even after his discovery,there was a lot of scepticismabout the existence of such a material. But asthe years went by, otherphysicists began 
to construct quasicrystals oftheir own and now more than100 different types have been found. These,however, are synthetic and havebeen created under precisely 
controlledlaboratory conditions. Just as it wasoriginally assumed that quasicrystalscould not exist, after their discoveryit was assumed that they could notexist naturally 
in the wider world.Thatassumption was called into question in 2009 when Princeton University'sPaulSteinhardt - the man who originally coined the term 
"quasicrystal" -appearedto have discovered a naturally occurring variety in a rock samplefromRussia. Steinhardt and his colleague Luca Bindi, from the 
UniversityofFlorence, Italy, measured the ratio of oxygen isotopes within the sampleandtheir results suggested that the rock belongs to a class of meteoritesknownas 
carbonaceous chondrites. Not only did this rock contain anaturallyoccurring quasicrystal, it also came from outer space.ThrillingpastBut the scepticism that had followed 
quasicrystals around sincetheirdiscovery continued. The rock sample was traced back to ValeryKryachko, aRussian who in 1979 had been panning for platinum in a 
streamflowingthrough the Koryak mountains in far-eastern Siberia. The rock hadsomehowturned up in Bindi's museum collection in Italy. "People weresceptical ofthe rock's 
back story as the tale of how it got to Florenceinvolves secretdiaries, smugglers and KGB agents," Steinhardt toldphysicsworld.com."The only way to settle the 
debate was to take a shot atfinding moresamples," Steinhardt explains. He put together a team of 10scientists, twodrivers and one cook and set out on a four-day 
expeditionacross Siberiaback to the stream where Kryachko had found the originalsample. Once there,they panned 1.5 tonnes of sediment from the stream 
bank,eventuallyisolating a few kilograms for analysis.After six weeks ofpainstaking grain-by-grain analysis, they hit onsomething special. "We founda grain with a fleck 
of metal on it. Not onlydid it contain quasicrystals,but the oxygen-isotope ratio was exactly thesame [as the original sample],"says Steinhardt. "It was an 
incrediblemoment. Out in the field, no-one beton a more than 1% chance ofsuccessfully finding anything," he adds. The teamisolated a total of ninequasicrystal samples. 
It is thought these samplesall come from the samemeteorite, and analysis of the sediment layerssuggests it landed within thelast 15,000 years.Extreme formationAs 
thequasicrystals come from a carbonaceous-chondrite meteorite, they musthaveformed in the earliest days of the solar system. Carbonaceouschondrites arethought to have 
collided together to form the cores of therocky planets, andso Steinhardt's quasicrystals are older than the Earthitself. However,current models cannot account for the 
presence of thesequasicrystals. "Weneed a novel kind of geological process to form them andso it challenges ourideas of solar-system formation," Steinhardt 
says.The intense conditionspresent in the solar system's

[meteorite-list] Meteoritic Quasicrystals: Secret Diaries, Smugglers and KGB Agents; Oh My!

[dorifry]

You would think if carbonaceous chondritic asteroids could make crystals 
with 10-fold rotational symmetry, they could make something like RNA too?


http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/aug/13/further-proof-of-extraterrestrial-origin-of-quasicrystalsFurther proof of extraterrestrial origin of quasicrystalsAn 
international team of researchers has found nine new samples of naturallyoccurring quasicrystals. The work also provides further proof thatquasicrystals were delivered to 
the Earth by a meteorite. The team'sdiscovery challenges our understanding of both crystallography andsolar-system formation.Conventional crystal structures are made of 
atoms, or clusters of atoms,that repeat periodically. These patterns are normally restricted to two,three, four or sixfold rotational symmetry - the numbers corresponding 
tohow many times the crystal appears the same during a rotation through 360°.For a long time these were considered hard and fast rules, and no crystalsthat broke these 
conditions were thought to exist.Ordered, but not periodicHowever, Israeli physicist Daniel Shechtman found just such a rule-breakingcrystal in 1984 and was awarded the 2011 
Nobel Prize for Chemistry for hisefforts. Shechtman had discovered a quasicrystal - a crystal that, whileordered, does not contain structures that repeat periodically. 
Schectman'scrystal also had 10-fold rotational symmetry. Even after his discovery,there was a lot of scepticism about the existence of such a material. But asthe years went 
by, other physicists began to construct quasicrystals oftheir own and now more than 100 different types have been found. These,however, are synthetic and have been created 
under precisely controlledlaboratory conditions. Just as it was originally assumed that quasicrystalscould not exist, after their discovery it was assumed that they could 
notexist naturally in the wider world.That assumption was called into question in 2009 when Princeton University'sPaul Steinhardt - the man who originally coined the term 
"quasicrystal" -appeared to have discovered a naturally occurring variety in a rock samplefrom Russia. Steinhardt and his colleague Luca Bindi, from the University 
ofFlorence, Italy, measured the ratio of oxygen isotopes within the sample andtheir results suggested that the rock belongs to a class of meteorites knownas carbonaceous 
chondrites. Not only did this rock contain a naturallyoccurring quasicrystal, it also came from outer space.Thrilling pastBut the scepticism that had followed quasicrystals 
around since theirdiscovery continued. The rock sample was traced back to Valery Kryachko, aRussian who in 1979 had been panning for platinum in a stream flowingthrough the 
Koryak mountains in far-eastern Siberia. The rock had somehowturned up in Bindi's museum collection in Italy. "People were sceptical ofthe rock's back story as the tale 
of how it got to Florence involves secretdiaries, smugglers and KGB agents," Steinhardt told physicsworld.com."The only way to settle the debate was to take a shot 
at finding moresamples," Steinhardt explains. He put together a team of 10 scientists, twodrivers and one cook and set out on a four-day expedition across Siberiaback 
to the stream where Kryachko had found the original sample. Once there,they panned 1.5 tonnes of sediment from the stream bank, eventuallyisolating a few kilograms for 
analysis.After six weeks of painstaking grain-by-grain analysis, they hit onsomething special. "We found a grain with a fleck of metal on it. Not onlydid it contain 
quasicrystals, but the oxygen-isotope ratio was exactly thesame [as the original sample]," says Steinhardt. "It was an incrediblemoment. Out in the field, no-one 
bet on a more than 1% chance ofsuccessfully finding anything," he adds. The team isolated a total of ninequasicrystal samples. It is thought these samples all come from 
the samemeteorite, and analysis of the sediment layers suggests it landed within thelast 15,000 years.Extreme formationAs the quasicrystals come from a 
carbonaceous-chondrite meteorite, they musthave formed in the earliest days of the solar system. Carbonaceouschondrites are thought to have collided together to form the 
cores of therocky planets, and so Steinhardt's quasicrystals are older than the Earthitself. However, current models cannot account for the presence of thesequasicrystals. 
"We need a novel kind of geological process to form them andso it challenges our ideas of solar-system formation," Steinhardt says.The intense conditions present 
in the solar system's youth also challengethe prevailing view of quasicrystals as objects that need a carefullycontrolled laboratory set-up to produce. "Quasicrystals 
are not the delicatematerials previously thought. The ones we found must have been formed underrobust and hardy conditions in the early solar system," Steinhardt 
says.Others agree that the world of quasicrystals could be changed by this10-fold increase in the number of known 

Re: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria

[dorifry]

Daniel,

The faster-than-light neutrino experiment also comes to mind.

Truth over Truthiness,

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria



Hoax may have been a strong word, Phil, because it implies motive, but
you are right-on to flag it nonetheless. Sloppy and overzealous would be
the words that come to my mind. As a scientist, I was trained to be
neither. Clearly, they made a mistake, or overlooked something. That's
why you seek out collaboration. Of course they knew it would cause a
stir when they published it. They wanted to be the first to show such.
Egos. Unfortunately, it was very premature for them to jump out and make
a claim with such dramatic and sweeping implications without first
waiting for independent confirmation. The good news is, in the end the
subject was clarified by subsequent research.

This is why the recent Higgs Boson announcement was the result of two
completely independent teams coming to the same conclusion after very
extensive research. By the way, the media has in my mind been only
somewhat successful in explaning for lay people what the HB particle
discovery is and means. Here's my most simplified version of it for the
non-theoretical physical scientists (mostly everybody): the Higgs Boson
particle is what correlates energy to matter, it makes the = in the
E=MC*2 equation possible

Best,
Daniel

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:17:59 -0400
From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax
To: 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

This current news story is as unfortunate as the original NASA story
spin of
Wolf-Simon's article release two years ago. Hoax implies a deliberate
fabrication of evidence. There's no call here to insult the personal
integrity of the scientists for publishing their earlier experimental
observations on the Mono Lake arsenic tolerant bacteria. Also never
concluded in the original experiments would be that arsenate could
completely replace phophate, just that it might have been substituted
for
less than one percent of phosphorus at a cost. They weren't looking for
any
kind of attention themselves to create this a publicity stunt. Just over

zealot news media spun into action by an interesting preliminary report.

Looking forward to reading the actual article when available and new
studies
to follow.


Howard,

You're right, calling it a hoax may have been overstating my opinion.
But it
was definitely a publicity stunt. If you claim to have discovered a
completely new life form, unknown to science and possibly of alien
origin,
it's just good manners to wait until it's independently confirmed. They
jumped the gun with their premature announcement. As if they didn't know

that it would create a lot of hoopla and possibly mislead a lot of
people! I
don't know what their exact motives were, but announcing that you've
found a
living DNA chain with arsenic replacing phosphorus compounds before it's

been confirmed seems a little hoaxy to me. I'm no scientist, but I'm
still
annoyed by that whole cold fusion thing.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum



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Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Hammer artifacts....

[dorifry]

Ed,

Too late, grains of the Tunguska have already been on eBay.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Deckert" 
To: "Michael Blood" ; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Hammer artifacts




Wow, I can feel the energy just by looking at the listing.  It makes me 
want to buy a slice of the Tunguska meteorite.  Maybe that'll be listed 
next.


Ed


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Hammer artifacts



This is entirely too weird,
   Even for a hammer freak like me:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290735387596&ssPageNa
me=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_1021wt_1155


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Re: [meteorite-list] 200 gram Sutters Mill

[dorifry]

Put it in the October Heritage Auctions Natural History auction.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Earth & Space Museum



- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Miller" 

To: "Paul Gessler" 
Cc: "meteorite-list" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 200 gram Sutters Mill



So what is the best way to sell that stone?  I assume he would get
good exposure in the media by going public and announcing he is
accepting offers.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:

So much for confidentiality.
$250,000...No problem!
At least before the others are reported.

-Paul Gessler

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[meteorite-list] Market for Martian Meteorites Heats Up

[dorifry]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57456841/market-for-martian-meteorites-heats-up/



A decent article except for this dumb quote:


"For everyone who has every worldly possession, he can actually own 
something from out of this world," Herskowitz said. "Meteorites are the most 
popular, the most highly collectible of all natural history [items]. There 
are more people that collect meteorites than there are that collect fossils, 
dinosaurs, even minerals."



There must be tens of thousands of mineral and fossil collectors for every 
meteorite collector.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term

[dorifry]

Carl,

I agree, Fall and Find are ridiculous terms. I'm get tired of explaining the 
difference to non-meteorite people. The confusion could be cleared up by 
adding the modifying adjective Observed to the word Fall.
Since all meteorites are both Falls and Finds (to the uninitiated), why not 
just call them Observed Falls and Falls? Makes sense to me!


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

(Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit send)


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "Meteorite List" ; "Regine P." 
; "MikeG" 

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term



Regine, MikeG,
I hate to beat a dead horse but,
There actually could be such a thing as a "Hammer Fall".
Take Carancas for example;
This fall was not only observed but, it hit a man made water well and 
killed a couple of animals while excavating a crater.
This fall is generally accepted as a Hammer Fall because we believe it was 
one huge stone that crashed and exploded.

So, then the question is; Is this a hammer stone as well?
Of coarse it is. That is IF it was indeed caused by one single stone that 
exploded on impact. This is a fact that is in dispute amongst Scientists. 
There may have been a swarm of stones that hit at once. We do have 
evidence of this in stones that were found that were nearly fully fusion 
crusted. Had it been just one single stone where did the nearly fully 
crusted stones  come from?
This lends doubt that in fact all of the stones are "Hammer Stones". 
However, from a sales standpoint. Having one of these ultra rare fully 
crusted stones would not be such a bad thing to have. I would think they 
would be far more rare and therefore far more valuable to both the 
collector (museum) or Scientist for the simple reason of aesthetics and 
that it does make for  an interesting argument about how many stones did 
fall.
As for the use of the word Michael Blood coined "Hammer". He could just of 
easily have used any number of other words to describe this end result. 
Swatter, clapper, striker or anything else one does with an object in his 
had while hitting something.


The other really funny term is the use of the word "Fall" at all.
I mean try to explain that to a newby? I mean after all, Aren't all 
meteorites Falls in the true sense of the word. How else could they have 
gotten here?
So, the use of this term necessitates an explanation. You have to explain 
that not all meteorites are falls. A newby would look at you like you are 
nuts. The word " fresh fall" would make more sense but, most of the time 
the "Fresh" is left out. Even when a stone is called a "fresh Fall" 
science can only determine the time it fell within years not hour or 
minutes so even then... If you "find" a stone. How do you really know when 
it "fell". You did find a "fall" but was it "fresh"? Or does it just look 
"fresh"?

Too Funny.


Best,

Carl
meteoritemax


--
Cheers

 "Regine P."  wrote:
Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to 
"hammer falls" on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things 
related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a 
small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting 
interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject 
and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New 
Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. 
I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related 
and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New 
Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the 
meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these 
things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end 
this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what 
the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing
 the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But 
why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to 
cash in is a mystery to me.


Enough said, Best wishes,

Regine



>
> Von: Michael Gilmer 
>An: Regine P. 
>CC: Meteorite List 
>Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
>
>Hi Regine,
>
>I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs)
>should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available
>that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also
>think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think
>everyone who uses the term "hammer fall" is engaging in marketing or
>trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do
>that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But
>the term "hammer fall" probably isn't going away, and if it does, it
>will be replaced by another term that means the same thing.
>
>And we can't excuse p

Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term

[dorifry]

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "Meteorite List" ; "Regine P." 
; "MikeG" 

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term



Regine, MikeG,
I hate to beat a dead horse but,
There actually could be such a thing as a "Hammer Fall".
Take Carancas for example;
This fall was not only observed but, it hit a man made water well and 
killed a couple of animals while excavating a crater.
This fall is generally accepted as a Hammer Fall because we believe it was 
one huge stone that crashed and exploded.

So, then the question is; Is this a hammer stone as well?
Of coarse it is. That is IF it was indeed caused by one single stone that 
exploded on impact. This is a fact that is in dispute amongst Scientists. 
There may have been a swarm of stones that hit at once. We do have 
evidence of this in stones that were found that were nearly fully fusion 
crusted. Had it been just one single stone where did the nearly fully 
crusted stones  come from?
This lends doubt that in fact all of the stones are "Hammer Stones". 
However, from a sales standpoint. Having one of these ultra rare fully 
crusted stones would not be such a bad thing to have. I would think they 
would be far more rare and therefore far more valuable to both the 
collector (museum) or Scientist for the simple reason of aesthetics and 
that it does make for  an interesting argument about how many stones did 
fall.
As for the use of the word Michael Blood coined "Hammer". He could just of 
easily have used any number of other words to describe this end result. 
Swatter, clapper, striker or anything else one does with an object in his 
had while hitting something.


The other really funny term is the use of the word "Fall" at all.
I mean try to explain that to a newby? I mean after all, Aren't all 
meteorites Falls in the true sense of the word. How else could they have 
gotten here?
So, the use of this term necessitates an explanation. You have to explain 
that not all meteorites are falls. A newby would look at you like you are 
nuts. The word " fresh fall" would make more sense but, most of the time 
the "Fresh" is left out. Even when a stone is called a "fresh Fall" 
science can only determine the time it fell within years not hour or 
minutes so even then... If you "find" a stone. How do you really know when 
it "fell". You did find a "fall" but was it "fresh"? Or does it just look 
"fresh"?

Too Funny.


Best,

Carl
meteoritemax


--
Cheers

 "Regine P."  wrote:
Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to 
"hammer falls" on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things 
related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a 
small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting 
interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject 
and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New 
Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. 
I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related 
and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New 
Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the 
meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these 
things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end 
this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what 
the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing
 the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But 
why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to 
cash in is a mystery to me.


Enough said, Best wishes,

Regine



>
> Von: Michael Gilmer 
>An: Regine P. 
>CC: Meteorite List 
>Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
>
>Hi Regine,
>
>I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs)
>should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available
>that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also
>think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think
>everyone who uses the term "hammer fall" is engaging in marketing or
>trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do
>that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But
>the term "hammer fall" probably isn't going away, and if it does, it
>will be replaced by another term that means the same thing.
>
>And we can't excuse people for making rash purchases. The buyer does
>bear some responsibility to educate themselves before spending money
>on a meteorite (or anything). I guess this gets back to some of the
>most fundamental lessons of collecting things. Do one's homework.
>Buyer beware. Know your seller. Check references (or feedback). :)
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
>-- 
>---

>Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG
>
>W

[meteorite-list] 12, 000 Yr Old Meteorite Melt Glass Impact Evidence

[dorifry]

An interesting article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158054/Scientists-discover-evidence-meteorite-storm-hit-Earth-13-000-years-ago-killed-prehistoric-civilisation.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] International Meteorite Market

[dorifry]

Interesting article:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/the-international-meteorite-market/

Phil Whitmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rogue Planets Can Find Homes Around Other Stars

[dorifry]

Living cells free-floating in outer space? Pretty extraordinary claim with 
zero evidence to back it up. Sounds goofy to me.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Paul H." 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:56 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rogue Planets Can Find Homes Around Other Stars



Free-Floating Planets in the Milky Way Outnumber Stars
by Factors of Thousands: Life-Bearing Planets May Exist
in Vast Numbers ScienceDaily (May 10, 2012)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120510100217.htm

Could billions upon billions of free-floating 'nomadic'
planets in the Milky Way be seeding our galaxy with
life. Mail online, May 11, 2012, 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2142948/Could-billions-billions-free-floating-nomadic-planets-Milky-Way-seeding-galaxy-life.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Some Stars Capture Rogue Planets (Apr. 17, 2012)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120417113652.htm and 
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2012/pr201212.html


Rogue Planets Can Find Homes Around Other Stars
by Nancy Atkinson, Universe Today, 
http://www.universetoday.com/94656/rogue-planets-can-find-homes-around-other-stars/


The paper is:

Wickramasingh, N. C., and others, 2012, Life-bearing
primordial planets in the solar vicinity. Astrophysics and
Space Science; DOI 10.1007/s10509-012-1092-8

Best wishes,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies'

[dorifry]

The meteor zombies are looking for stones they believe contains Element 115 
(ununpentium) that can be used as "Focusing Stones" to control zombies in 
much the same way HAARP uses cell phone towers for mind control of the 
American population. ;-)


Phil Whitmer
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- Original Message - 
From: "Anita Westlake" 
To: "Jim Strope" ; "meteorite central" 


Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies'



Meteorite "Zombies"?? That's a new one on me.
Anita



- Original Message 
From: Jim Strope 
To: meteorite central 
Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 1:28:52 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17944373


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Re: [meteorite-list] New find location coordinates available (Off Topic)

[dorifry]

Great  page with excellent information! This will set the standard for all 
subsequent falls.


One glaring error that needs to be corrected however:   "They landed in a 
wide area that includes Sutter's Mill, where the first gold was discovered 
by James Marshall in January of 1848. That discovery led to the worlds 
largest migration in history, known as the California Gold Rush."


NOT!

300,000 miners made up the Gold Rush.

The world's largest historical migration was the  movement of tens of 
millions of Chinese from rural areas to the cities. After WWII, tens of 
millions of Europeans migrated (16.5 million Germans migrated from Eastern 
Europe to Western Europe,) the Russian Civil War caused millions to migrate. 
Millions of slaves in America migrated from the South to the North. Millions 
migrated during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of 
Pakistan. Nearly half a million Jews migrated to the former Palestine.
Sorry for the OT rant, but if you're going to talk about history, get the 
facts straight!


Howabout that four-year old girl that found a meteorite?

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "karmaka" 

To: "met-list" 
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:53 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New find location coordinates available



Peter Jenniskens has posted new find location coordinates:

http://asima.seti.org/sm/

Thank you, Peter!

Martin


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Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

[dorifry]

Really, lighten up, what's more fun than blimps and zepplins?

Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart McDaniel" 
To: "Michael Farmer" ; "dorifry" 

Cc: "Sterling K. Webb" ; 


Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!



Jeez, Mike your no fun..  :-)




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-Original Message- 
From: Michael Farmer

Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:49 AM
To: dorifry
Cc: Stuart McDaniel ; Sterling K. Webb ; 


Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

Can't we all use google to research this? It is really less interesting 
than the incredibly rare meteorite which fell here, which seems to draw 
less attention than an aircraft

This is a meteorite list, not a zeppelin or blimp list.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On May 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, "dorifry"  wrote:

A dirigible is any lighter-than-air airship that can be steered. Zepplins 
and blimps are both dirigibles. The word comes from the French word 
diriger meaning to direct. It was first applied to the French army's 
airship "La France" in 1884. Count Ferdinand Graf von Zepplin built his 
first airship the LZ-1 in 1900.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

----- Original Message - From: "Stuart McDaniel" 

To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; 
; "dorifry" 

Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!


OK, so everyone is wrong...it's a dirigible. (semi-rigid airship) 
:-)





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-Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:01 PM
To: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
; dorifry

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

Stuart, List

1. A blimp (technically called a "pressure airship") is
a powered, steerable, lighter-than-air vehicle whose
shape is maintained by the pressure of the gases
within its envelope.  A blimp has no rigid internal
structure; if a blimp deflates, it loses its shape.

2. A rigid airship has a framework surrounding one
or more individual gas cells, and maintains its shape
by virtue of its rigid framework and not the pressure
of its lifting gas.

3. A zeppelin is a rigid airship manufactured by a
particular company, the Luftschiffbau Zeppelin of
Germany (the "Zeppelin Airship Construction
Company"), which was founded by Count Ferdinand
von Zeppelin.

4. A semi-rigid airship, like a blimp, maintains its
aerodynamic shape from internal gas pressure, but
it has a partial rigid frame, usually in the form of a
keel, which supports and distributes loads and
provides structural integrity during maneuvering.
The modern Zeppelin NT, such as the Eureka, is
a semi-rigid airship rather than a blimp.

5. A dirigible is any lighter-than-air craft that is
both powered and steerable (as opposed to free
floating, like a balloon).  Blimps, rigid airships,
and semi-rigid airships like the Zeppelin NT are
all dirigibles.


Sterling K. Webb
--
- Original Message - From: 
To: ; "dorifry"
; "Sterling K. Webb"

Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!


OK, I am goin gto ask the obvious, what is the difference in a blimp 
and a zep?

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 "Sterling K. Webb"  wrote:

=
Phil, List,

As the sarcastic individual who suggested a
need for Blimp Patches, I apologize. It is, literally,
a Zeppelin, built by the Zeppelin company in
Friedrichshafen, Germany, home of the original
Zeppelins. At 246 feet long, she stretches 15
feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50
feet longer than the largest commercial blimps
flying today. It is named "Eureka," nicely matching
the history of Sutter's Mill. Maybe the name will
bring good luck.

http://www.airshipventures.com/about
Unlike the original Zeppelins, it is a semi-rigid
design, lacking a full envelope frame like the old
ones. However, it is made of carbon fibre and
aluminum, has very sophisticated motive control,
with vectored thrust and fly-by-wire controls, and
has incredible maneuverability.

That said, trying to maneuver clo

Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

[dorifry]

A dirigible is any lighter-than-air airship that can be steered. Zepplins 
and blimps are both dirigibles. The word comes from the French word diriger 
meaning to direct. It was first applied to the French army's  airship "La 
France" in 1884. Count Ferdinand Graf von Zepplin built his first airship 
the LZ-1 in 1900.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart McDaniel" 
To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; 
; "dorifry" 

Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!



OK, so everyone is wrong...it's a dirigible. (semi-rigid airship)  :-)




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Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
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IMCA #9052
Sirius Meteorites

Node35 - Sentinel All Sky

http://spacerocks.weebly.com

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-Original Message- 
From: Sterling K. Webb

Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:01 PM
To: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
dorifry

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

Stuart, List

1. A blimp (technically called a "pressure airship") is
a powered, steerable, lighter-than-air vehicle whose
shape is maintained by the pressure of the gases
within its envelope.  A blimp has no rigid internal
structure; if a blimp deflates, it loses its shape.

2. A rigid airship has a framework surrounding one
or more individual gas cells, and maintains its shape
by virtue of its rigid framework and not the pressure
of its lifting gas.

3. A zeppelin is a rigid airship manufactured by a
particular company, the Luftschiffbau Zeppelin of
Germany (the "Zeppelin Airship Construction
Company"), which was founded by Count Ferdinand
von Zeppelin.

4. A semi-rigid airship, like a blimp, maintains its
aerodynamic shape from internal gas pressure, but
it has a partial rigid frame, usually in the form of a
keel, which supports and distributes loads and
provides structural integrity during maneuvering.
The modern Zeppelin NT, such as the Eureka, is
a semi-rigid airship rather than a blimp.

5. A dirigible is any lighter-than-air craft that is
both powered and steerable (as opposed to free
floating, like a balloon).  Blimps, rigid airships,
and semi-rigid airships like the Zeppelin NT are
all dirigibles.


Sterling K. Webb
------
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: ; "dorifry"
; "Sterling K. Webb"

Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!


OK, I am goin gto ask the obvious, what is the difference in a blimp and 
a zep?

--
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Lawndale, NC
IMCA#9052

http://spacerocks.weebly.com
http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1
*

 "Sterling K. Webb"  wrote:

=
Phil, List,

As the sarcastic individual who suggested a
need for Blimp Patches, I apologize. It is, literally,
a Zeppelin, built by the Zeppelin company in
Friedrichshafen, Germany, home of the original
Zeppelins. At 246 feet long, she stretches 15
feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50
feet longer than the largest commercial blimps
flying today. It is named "Eureka," nicely matching
the history of Sutter's Mill. Maybe the name will
bring good luck.

http://www.airshipventures.com/about
Unlike the original Zeppelins, it is a semi-rigid
design, lacking a full envelope frame like the old
ones. However, it is made of carbon fibre and
aluminum, has very sophisticated motive control,
with vectored thrust and fly-by-wire controls, and
has incredible maneuverability.

That said, trying to maneuver close to the ground
in that terrain in a weightless craft almost as long
as a football field is a daunting prospect. All old
airshipmen know the dangers are near the ground,
not in the sky.

Zeppelin Patches?


Sterling K. Webb
---
- Original Message - 
From: "dorifry" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!



Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please! (LOL)

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
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Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

[dorifry]

The fact that it's a Zepplin is what makes it so unusual. It's one of only 
two zeps in the world and the only one operating in the Americas.


As a stamp collector, I've loved zeps for a long time, they're way cooler 
than blimps!


Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" 
To: "dorifry" ; 


Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!



Phil, List,

As the sarcastic individual who suggested a
need for Blimp Patches, I apologize. It is, literally,
a Zeppelin, built by the Zeppelin company in
Friedrichshafen, Germany, home of the original
Zeppelins. At 246 feet long, she stretches 15
feet longer than a standard Boeing 747 and 50
feet longer than the largest commercial blimps
flying today. It is named "Eureka," nicely matching
the history of Sutter's Mill. Maybe the name will
bring good luck.

http://www.airshipventures.com/about
Unlike the original Zeppelins, it is a semi-rigid
design, lacking a full envelope frame like the old
ones. However, it is made of carbon fibre and
aluminum, has very sophisticated motive control,
with vectored thrust and fly-by-wire controls, and
has incredible maneuverability.

That said, trying to maneuver close to the ground
in that terrain in a weightless craft almost as long
as a football field is a daunting prospect. All old
airshipmen know the dangers are near the ground,
not in the sky.

Zeppelin Patches?


Sterling K. Webb
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- Original Message - 
From: "dorifry" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!



Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please! (LOL)

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
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[meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

[dorifry]

Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please! (LOL)

Phil Whitmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Using an airship to spot good search areas

[dorifry]

They're looking for the million dollar mother-lode.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "Thunder Stone" 
To: "Matson, Robert D." ; "met-list" 


Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Using an airship to spot good search areas


Could they be trying to take  images to generate an image of a possible 
strewn field. Then try And locate possible areas to hunt. I think a birds 
eye view like this would be helpful, although, they could use Google.


-Original Message-

From: Matson, Robert D.
Sent: 3 May 2012 19:53:54 GMT
To: met-list
Subject: [meteorite-list] Using an airship to spot good search areas

Hi All,

Surely this line from the story in the Sacramento Bee cannot be right
(or at the very least it is misleading):

"The team will use cameras and binoculars to look for burn patches on
the ground, then direct ground crews to those locations to hunt for
meteorite particles. The search is expected to continue on Friday."

I just assumed that the airship would be used to identify promising
search areas on the ground that were less vegetated. I can't imagine
there are many areas under the fall that just happen to be burned
(i.e. clear of vegation, allowing very small meteorites to be seen).
Who would have been doing all the burning?  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp

[dorifry]

From the news article:

"The team will use cameras and binoculars to look for burn patches on the 
ground, then direct ground crews to those locations to hunt for meteorite 
particles. The search is expected to continue on Friday."


Really, burn patches? That's a little silly.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


Read more here: 
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/03/4463578/scientists-on-the-hunt-for-meteorite.html#storylink=cpy
- Original Message - 
From: "karmaka" 

To: "met-list" 
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp



Watch out for the blimp !

A new way of hunting the Sutter's Mill 'main mass':

" Scientists today are mounting a massive search in the Sierra Nevada 
foothills for meteorite fragments [...]
Experts from NASA and the SETI institute are en route to Sacramento this 
morning aboard a zeppelin provided by Airship Ventures, based at Moffett 
Field in the Bay Area. They were expected to stop briefly at McClellan 
Park airfield around 11 a.m., then lift off again to spend the afternoon 
surveying foothill regions of Placer and El Dorado counties. "


http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/03/4463578/scientists-on-the-hunt-for-meteorite.html

Track the ship here:

http://www.airshipventures.com/about/track-the-ship

GOOD LUCK !!

Martin



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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry -- the law catches up (Grand Mars Meteorite)(

[dorifry]

http://www.gospelbreadoflife.org/booklets/Meteorite/content.html


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "tracy latimer" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry -- the law catches up



It couldn't happen to a nicer yoyo. Everyone will, I believe, be very happy 
when this thorn in the collective side of meteorite science is removed. I'm 
still not sure if it's deliberate deception or simple self delusion. 
Remember the preacher who was told by God that he had an authentic Mars 
meteorite?


Best!
Tracy Latimer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Litchfield, CT object

[dorifry]

Oh, It Came Out Of The Sky, landed just a little south of Moline.
Jody fell out of his tractor, couldn't b'lieve what he seen.
Laid on the ground and shook, fearin' for his life.

Then he ran all the way to town screamin' "It Came Out Of The Sky."
Well, a crowd gathered 'round and a scientist said it was marsh gas.
Joe B. came and made a speech about raising the Mars tax.
The Vatican said, "Woe, the Lord has come".
Hollywood rushed out an epic film.
And Joe the Plumber said it was a communist plot.

Oh, the newspapers came and made Jody a national hero.
Geraldo and Oprah said they'd put him on a network T.V. show.
The White House said, "Put the thing in the Blue Room".
The Vatican said, "No, it belongs to Rome."
And Jody said, "It's mine and you can have it for seventeen million."

by J.C. Fogerty


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum




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From: "George Blahun" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Litchfield, CT object


This just reported by WTNH-TV.

Trooper, motorist report object falling from sky
Updated: Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 12:35 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 8:49 AM EDT

LITCHFIELD, Conn. (WTNH/AP) — Authorities in northwestern Connecticut say 
they didn't find anything after a state trooper and another person reported 
a large object falling out of the sky in Litchfield.


The Republican-American of Waterbury reports that a person driving in 
Litchfield at about 2 a.m. Tuesday reported that a green, glowing object the 
size of a whale fell from the sky and crashed into Bantam Lake. Officials 
say that at about the same time, a state trooper 10 miles away in Warren 
called dispatchers to report that something fell out of the sky and landed 
near Bantam or Morris.


Morris firefighters made several passes up and down the lake in a boat 
looking for a possible plane crash, but didn't find any debris.


Authorities called off the search, leaving the mystery unsolved.

According to the National Weather Service, there was a meteor shower that 
morning.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Harvard experts debunk meteorite discoveryinExeter

[dorifry]

Michael:

True dat! (LOL)

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Gilmer" 

To: "Jim Wooddell" 
Cc: ; "Paul H." 


Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Harvard experts debunk meteorite 
discoveryinExeter




This sounds like one of those cases that squanders scientific time and
resources.  Two different universities have already rendered negative
opinions of the specimen, but the finder won't take "no" for an
answer.  He'll keep shopping it around until he finds an "expert" who
finally says it's a meteorite.  After UNH and Harvard have rejected
it, and once this Arizona authority also rejects it, his next stop
will be at a local community college where an economics professor will
finally say it's a meteorite.  Then the rock will end up on eBay with
an opening bid of $744,000.

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On 3/27/12, Jim Wooddell  wrote:

Good morning all!

I'd be interested in knowing which AZ lab is accepting this sample for
testing???  Any ideas?

Jim

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:10 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Harvard experts debunk meteorite discovery
inExeter



Harvard experts debunk meteorite discovery in Exeter,
Ulery not giving up, seeks further chemical testing
by Aaron Sanborn, Seacoast Online, March 20, 2012
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120320/NEWS/203200367/-1/NEWSMAP

Best wishes,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Man Claims Rockhaven Meteorite Find

[dorifry]

Or maybe it's just Buzzard Coulee:

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
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Man claims meteorite find

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/technology/claims+meteorite+find/6207355/story.html


A man claims to have found the first known meteorites from a fireball that 
lit up the sky over Saskatchewan and Alberta Tuesday night.


A posting on Kijiji shows two roundish and blackened rocks a man says he 
found on the side of a highway north of Rockhaven. One of the rocks is 
listed for sale for an unspecified price and the other rock is shown 
suspended by a magnet.


Now geologists and astronomers who study meteorites are trying to get in 
touch with the man in an attempt to verify whether the rocks are connected 
to Tuesday's meteor sighting, which rattled houses as it zoomed over North 
Battleford.


Richard Huziak, a Saskatoon amateur astronomer and member of the Prairie 
Fireball Network, says the rocks in the picture look like chondrites, which 
match meteorites found after the Buzzard Coulee meteor crashed in central 
Saskatchewan in 2008.


Several researchers are trying to get in touch with the man - 
unsuccessfully, so far - in an effort to bring the rocks to the University 
of Saskatchewan for examination and testing.


"Until they're presented, it's hard to know what fall they came from," 
Huziak said. They may well be meteorites, he said, but ones that fell years 
ago.


U of S geologist Mel Stauffer is also trying to get in touch with the man in 
an effort to check the rocks' authenticity. "The photograph he posted on 
Kijiji looks to be of a meteorite," Stauffer said in an email.


University of Calgary geoscientist Alan Hildebrand, who co-ordinates the 
Canadian Fireball Reporting Centre, said anyone who has found a meteorite 
and wants to sell it would be wise to have experts identify it first. Some 
meteorites are more rare - and therefore far more valuable - than others.


"We have foolproof ways of telling if it's a recent fall or not," Hildebrand 
added.


When contacted by The StarPhoenix, the man behind the Kijiji ad was not 
willing to have his name or photograph in the paper.


Faye Rowat, one of a handful of residents in the tiny settlement of 
Rockhaven, said there have been a few people out searching the area since 
Tuesday's fireball. On Friday morning, she was about to head out with some 
magnets and her two grandsons, the youngest of which was enthused about the 
chance of coming across a space rock.


"It's a free gift from the asteroid belt," Huziak said. "We can build 
spaceships for a hundred million dollars and go out and get pieces. Or they 
can just fall to the Earth and we can pick them up. Each rock tells you a 
bit more about the origin of the solar system and they all date back to the 
age of the formation of the Earth, or even before that."


Both Huziak and Hildebrand said several new videos have surfaced in the past 
couple of days that are allowing them to narrow down the location of the 
so-called "strewn field" where pieces fell, which they say is likely south 
of Rockhaven. The hamlet is about 190 kilometres northwest of Saskatoon.


Huziak said several explosions are visible in the video footage, suggesting 
pieces broke off the meteor higher up and may have survived the fall to 
Earth.


Security camera footage from the Corman Air Park shows an intensely bright 
greenish ball that appears for just a second, hurtling towards the ground, 
leaving a brief trail of yellow sparks in its wake.


Hildebrand said he wants to see more footage of that night from different 
locations, including cameras that were pointed at the ground and captured 
flashes of light and objects' shadows. More footage from different angles 
could help them narrow the crash site down to a dozen square kilometres and 
would result in a more fruitful meteorite search, he said.


"We're not there yet."

Would-be rock hunters should also know there's an etiquette to abide by. You 
can legally remove a rock you find on public land, but a meteorite sitting 
in a farmer's field belongs to him and if you remove it without permission, 
you are trespassing, Huziak said.


On Thursday, one aspiring meteorite hunter put out a call on Lloydminster's 
Kijiji page looking for Rockhaven-area landowners' permission to search on 
their property. "Will pay for access & split 50/50," the post says.


Huziak hopes people in the Rockhaven area are keeping an eye out for 
blackened rocks, which should be easily spotted on frozen ponds and against 
the backdrop of snow.


"It's good for everyone to be out looking, because if there's a 
serendipitous discovery, we all benefit from it," he said.


Sadly for meteorite hunters, this weekend's weather outlook is not 
favourable - a storm warning with five to 10 centimetres of snow, wind 
gusting to 70 kilometres an hour and poor visibility is forecast for 
Saturday.


-With files from Lana Haight

jfre...@thestarphoenix.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] 93 Kilo Druid Meteorite

[dorifry]

Apparently, Professor Colin Pillinger referenced the larger "Lake House" 
meteorite in his talk.


http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5066146/Main/5064095


Hi all,

The 'Lake House' meteorite is referenced in Professor Colin Pillingers talk 
at the Royal society recently. I include below my recent post to the met 
list about this:




Please see the link below to a webcast of Professor Colin Pillingers
lecture to the Royal Society recently.

(http://royalsociety.org/events/2012/stones-from-the-sky/)

Professor Pillinger was the recipient of the Michael Faraday prize in
recognition of his excellence in communicating science. The lecture is
called 'Stones from the sky - A heaven sent opportunity to talk about
science' For those who dont know about Professor Pillinger, here is a
lowdown:

'Colin Pillinger is Professor of Planetary Sciences at the Open
University. His research interests include designing unique
instruments to analyse extraterrestrial samples. During his forty year
career he has made more than a thousand contributions to scientific
literature, and also found time to be one of Britain's foremost
science communicators, contributing dozens of popular articles in
newspapers and magazines as well as giving hundreds of public
lectures. After analysing a number of meteorites from Mars and finding
tantalising evidence of the existence of life there, he conceived the
Beagle 2 mission to land on the Red Planet to confirm his discoveries.
Throughout the project he filled over thirty notebooks recording the
daily happenings which form the basis of his autobiographical account
of the mission - "My life on Mars". '

Colin Pillinger is friends with Derek and Katrina Gray, the owners of
the Wold Cottage and has a particular interest in the Wold Cottage
meteorite and in Sir Edward Topham who was the owner of the land at
the time the meteorite fell. The webcast is an hour long but its worth
watching, a really good intro to the history of the study of
meteorites from a definite personality in the field.

Cheers


Martin

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- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 

To: "dorifry" 
Cc: "meteorite List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 93 Kilo Druid Meteorite



Hi Phil and List,

The smaller Danebury stone is in the Met Bulletin.  The larger stone
is not.  I'm curious if the institution holding the larger stone has
any plans to get it classified and approved by NonCom?

Second question - did the Druids have any idea this stone was from the
sky?  Or did they just find a heavy rock and keep it?

Best regards,

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On 2/11/12, dorifry  wrote:

And they found a smaller one in a grain pit!:

http://news.discovery.com/space/druids-meteorite-stonehenge-ice-age-120209.html


Large Meteorite Likely Found in Druid Burial Site
Britain's largest space rock -- excavated 200 years ago by an 
archaeological

dig -- was preserved by the Ice Age.

Thu Feb 9, 2012 04:01 PM ET
Content provided by Jeanna Bryner, LiveScience

THE GIST
  a.. In a new exhibition, the 205 pound meteorite is on display, along 
with

its mysterious story.
  b.. The space rock was likely found by druids to build a burial chamber
and later unearthed by archaeologists near Stonehenge.
  c.. Scientists believe that the meteorite was preserved by the onset of
the Ice Age.

enlarge
The 205 pound meteorite likely crashed to Earth 30,000 years ago -- it 
was
then preserved by the freezing conditions of the Ice Age. Click to 
enlarge

this image.
Credit: Open University


With a weight that rivals a baby elephant, a meteorite that fell from 
space
some 30,000 years ago is likely Britain's largest space rock. And after 
much

sleuthing, researchers think they know where it came from and how it
survived so long without weathering away.

The giant rock, spanning about 1.6 feet (0.5 meters) across and weighing 
205
pounds (93 kilograms), was likely discovered by an archaeologist about 
200

years ago at a burial site created by the Druids (an ancient Celtic
priesthood) near Stonehenge, according to said Colin Pillinger, a 
professor

of planetary sciences at the Open University.

ANALYSIS: Forget Space Beer, Order Meteorite Wine Instead

Pillinger curated the exhibition "Objects in Space," which opened Feb. 9 
and

is the first time the public will get a chance to see the meteorite. The
exhibition will explore not only the mystery that surrounds the origi

[meteorite-list] 93 Kilo Druid Meteorite

[dorifry]

And they found a smaller one in a grain pit!:

http://news.discovery.com/space/druids-meteorite-stonehenge-ice-age-120209.html


Large Meteorite Likely Found in Druid Burial Site
Britain's largest space rock -- excavated 200 years ago by an archaeological 
dig -- was preserved by the Ice Age.


Thu Feb 9, 2012 04:01 PM ET
Content provided by Jeanna Bryner, LiveScience

THE GIST
 a.. In a new exhibition, the 205 pound meteorite is on display, along with 
its mysterious story.
 b.. The space rock was likely found by druids to build a burial chamber 
and later unearthed by archaeologists near Stonehenge.
 c.. Scientists believe that the meteorite was preserved by the onset of 
the Ice Age.


enlarge
The 205 pound meteorite likely crashed to Earth 30,000 years ago -- it was 
then preserved by the freezing conditions of the Ice Age. Click to enlarge 
this image.

Credit: Open University


With a weight that rivals a baby elephant, a meteorite that fell from space 
some 30,000 years ago is likely Britain's largest space rock. And after much 
sleuthing, researchers think they know where it came from and how it 
survived so long without weathering away.


The giant rock, spanning about 1.6 feet (0.5 meters) across and weighing 205 
pounds (93 kilograms), was likely discovered by an archaeologist about 200 
years ago at a burial site created by the Druids (an ancient Celtic 
priesthood) near Stonehenge, according to said Colin Pillinger, a professor 
of planetary sciences at the Open University.


ANALYSIS: Forget Space Beer, Order Meteorite Wine Instead

Pillinger curated the exhibition "Objects in Space," which opened Feb. 9 and 
is the first time the public will get a chance to see the meteorite. The 
exhibition will explore not only the mystery that surrounds the origins of 
the giant meteorite, but also the history and our fascination with space 
rocks.


As for how the meteorite survived its long stint on Earth, researchers point 
to the ice age.


"The only meteorites that we know about that have survived these long ages 
are the ones that were collected in Antarctica," said Pillinger, adding that 
more recently, some ancient meteorites have been collected in the Sahara 
Desert. This rock came from neither the Sahara Desert nor Antarctica, but 
rather the Lake House in Wiltshire.


"Britain was under an ice age for 20,000 years," Pillinger told LiveScience, 
explaining the climate would have protected the rock from weathering.


At some point, the Druids likely picked up the meteorite when scouting for 
rocks to build burial chambers. "They were keen on building burial sites for 
[the dead] in much the same way the Egyptians built the pyramids," Pillinger 
said.


SCIENCE CHANNEL: Meteorite Men Videos

Then, years later, an archaeologist with ties to other, famous 
archaeologists, likely found the rock while excavating the Druids' burial 
sites, he said. The archaeologist then brought the rock back to his house in 
Wiltshire, where its more recent residents took notice and alerted 
researchers.


"The men whose house this was found at spent a lot of time opening these 
burial sites 200 years ago for purposes of excavating them," Pillinger said. 
"Our hypothesis is that the stone probably came out of one of those burial 
chambers."



WATCH VIDEOS: FROM METEORS TO ASTEROIDSThe meteorite is called a chondrite, 
a group that includes primitive meteorites that scientists think were 
remnants shed from the original building blocks of planets. Most meteorites 
found on Earth fit into this group.


ANALYSIS: Farmer Finds Rare Meteorite

Other objects on display include a much smaller meteorite, weighing about an 
ounce (32 grams), and excavated from a grain pit where ancient peoples of 
the Iron Age stored their crops. It was discovered in the 1970s at Danebury 
Hill Fort in Hampshire, though it wasn't until the 1980s when scientists 
analyzed metal in the walnut-size object did they realize its 
extraterrestrial origin.


The exhibition will also include a Damien Hirst "spot painting," which 
features the famous Beagle 2 spacecraft as its center spot. In addition, 
part of Newton's apple tree will be on display.


The story of how researchers are uncovering the origins of these impressive 
specimens will astonish and delight visitors to this remarkable exhibition, 
which also contains letters and books charting the history of scientific 
interest in meteorites.


The Royal Society's London headquarters will house the exhibit through March 
30.


-

Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[dorifry]

Black panthers are not native to North America. They live in Central and 
South America, Asia and Africa. I doubt if the average Joe can tell a 
Panthera from a Puma.


Phil Whitmer
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: ; "McCartney Taylor" 
; "dorifry" 

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas


I wouldn't be so quick there, just because "no on has ever CAPTURED or 
KILLED one..." doen't mean they could not be there. There are more exotic 
species of animals in TX than any other state. Why could there not be an 
escaped one? My wife is from TX and has seen one on their land they farmed 
when she was growing up, it was from a defunct circus that turned the 
animals loose.


--
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
IMCA#9052

http://spacerocks.weebly.com
http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1

 dorifry  wrote:

=
Just to clarify, there are no black panthers (Panthera) living in North
America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the Puma genus. Black 
panther

sightings are urban legends.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "McCartney Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas



Nothing has been found where the radar data said it might be. Torvald
and Donavan have left the zone replaced by Stephen Thompson out of
Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom characteristics.

I've been lucky enough to get some media attention to try to motivate
the public to assist here is today's interview on TV. This is the 5 TV
interview I've given since arriving.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/

We spent the day interviewing more witnesses &  compiling and extending
the range of sonic boom farther to the east to include Wills Point, and
southern Lake Tawakanii.

We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of 19.

Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that the landowner who owns
the land in the north where the upper radar blip is, has gotten very
hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to tell everyone to stay
off that property. He thinks the landowner may shoot to wound or maim.
So I'd like everyone to take that threat to heart.

At this point, we have two new important observations and think the
strewnfield to be east of 19 now.
At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but the Black Panther
remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were killed.  Also, the park rangers
at the state park warned us that a mountain lion has been spotted in the
area.

Some sonic boom activity has been traced back to some individual using
some kind of reactive explosive that detonates when shot by a bullet.
The local police has informed us this has been a bit of a problem for
weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our acoustical survey.

and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David Gonzales,  and Marc Fries
for giving us back support.

-mccartney taylor & stephen thompson
(meteorite hunter)  (offical panther bait)

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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[dorifry]

Just to clarify, there are no black panthers (Panthera) living in North 
America. Texas has lots of mountain lions from the Puma genus. Black panther 
sightings are urban legends.


http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_w7000_0232.pdf


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "McCartney Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:17 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas



Nothing has been found where the radar data said it might be. Torvald
and Donavan have left the zone replaced by Stephen Thompson out of
Fredricksburg TX who is an expert on Sonic Boom characteristics.

I've been lucky enough to get some media attention to try to motivate
the public to assist here is today's interview on TV. This is the 5 TV
interview I've given since arriving.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6713580-meteor-hunters-scouring-north-texas/

We spent the day interviewing more witnesses &  compiling and extending
the range of sonic boom farther to the east to include Wills Point, and
southern Lake Tawakanii.

We'll do some field samplings tomorrow east of 19.

Also as a warning. I've heard from a local that the landowner who owns
the land in the north where the upper radar blip is, has gotten very
hostile to all outsiders. The local warned me to tell everyone to stay
off that property. He thinks the landowner may shoot to wound or maim.
So I'd like everyone to take that threat to heart.

At this point, we have two new important observations and think the
strewnfield to be east of 19 now.
At this point, there have been no Z sightings, but the Black Panther
remains a constant threat. 5 dogs were killed.  Also, the park rangers
at the state park warned us that a mountain lion has been spotted in the
area.

Some sonic boom activity has been traced back to some individual using
some kind of reactive explosive that detonates when shot by a bullet.
The local police has informed us this has been a bit of a problem for
weeks. Consequently, it really screws up our acoustical survey.

and a mention and big hand to Dirk Ross, David Gonzales,  and Marc Fries
for giving us back support.

-mccartney taylor & stephen thompson
(meteorite hunter)  (offical panther bait)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Petition For a Pluto New Horizons Stamp

[dorifry]

Hey, watch it, I'm 5' 9 and 3/4"!

Seriously though, if you count all the other trans Neptunian objects, such 
as Charon, Chaos, Deucalion, Huya, Ixion, Makemake, Orcus, Quaoar, Sedna, 
Varuna and my personal favorite,  Rhadamanthus, there are millions of 
planets.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" 
To: ; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Petition For a Pluto New Horizons Stamp



Gary, List,

If it's not a planet, why do we call it a dwarf PLANET?
Do you refer to everyone you know who is less than
five-foot-ten as a "dwarf person"? So-and-so isn't a person;
he's a dwarf person? Adjectives do not negate the thing
they describe.

So, we have dwarf planets, gas planets, rocky planets,
etc, but they're ALL planets. I take the IAU at its literal
word, not its irrational intent. As far as I am concerned,
Pluto is a planet, Ceres is a planet, Eris is a planet,
Makemake and Haumea are... You get the idea. Since
Vesta (now that we've seen it) probably formed "round"
and has been chipped away at ever since, it's a planet
(and likely Pallas and Hygeia too).

There are at least 23 planets, (despite the eccentric
opinions of an Uruguayan cosmologist to whom I would
suggest in reply that Brazil is a nation and Uruguay is
only a dwarf nation).

IAU: "A planet is a celestial body that (a) has sufficient
mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so
that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round)
shape, and (b) is in orbit around a star, and is neither
a star nor a satellite of a planet." I would add the phrase
"unless distorted by dynamic equilibrium," a condition
that unless added would eliminate Jupiter and Saturn
and even the Earth as planets!

Planet quarrels. Good times...


Sterling K. Webb
-
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary K. Foote" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Petition For a Pluto New Horizons Stamp


But Pluto isn't a planet anymore.  Its a dwarf planet.  Maybe they'll 
make

really tiny stamps ;)

Gary

On Wed, February 1, 2012 11:46 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:



Of course, in March 2015, if all goes well, the
New Horizons mission will reach Pluto. Don't
you think it will deserve a stamp of its own to
correct that 1991 stamp when it gets there,
in 2015?

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[meteorite-list] Alien Interstellar Material Discovered

[dorifry]

Blown by the interstellar wind:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46209853/ns/technology_and_science-space/

NASA probe discovers 'alien' matter outside solar system
Interstellar material spotted by IBEX from orbit 200,000 miles above Earth

For the very first time, a NASA spacecraft has detected matter from outside 
our solar system - material that came from elsewhere in the galaxy, 
researchers announced Tuesday.


This so-called interstellar material was spotted by NASA's Interstellar 
Boundary Explorer (IBEX), a spacecraft that is studying the edge of the 
solar system from its orbit about 200,000 miles above Earth.


"This alien interstellar material is really the stuff that stars and planets 
and people are made of - it's really important to be measuring it," David 
McComas, IBEX principal investigator and assistant vice president of the 
Space Science and Engineering Division at Southwest Research Institute in 
San Antonio, said in a news briefing today from NASA Headquarters in 
Washington, D.C.


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An international team of scientists presented new findings from IBEX, which 
included the first detection of alien particles of hydrogen, oxygen and 
neon, in addition to the confirmation of previously detected helium. [ 
Images from NASA's IBEX Mission ]


These atoms are remnants of older stars that have ended their lives in 
violent explosions, called supernovas, which dispersed the elements 
throughout the galaxy. As interstellar wind blows these charged and neutral 
particles through the Milky Way, the IBEX probe is able to create a census 
of the elements that are present.


Heavy elements in space
According to the new study, the researchers found 74 oxygen atoms for every 
20 neon atoms in the interstellar wind. For comparison, there are 111 oxygen 
atoms for every 20 neon atoms in our solar system, meaning there are more 
oxygen atoms in any part of the solar system than in nearby interstellar 
space, the scientists said in a statement.


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"These are important elements to know quantitatively because they are the 
building blocks of stars, planets, people," McComas said. "We discovered 
this puzzle: matter outside our solar system doesn't look like material 
inside our solar system. It seems to be deficient in oxygen compared to 
neon."


The presence of less oxygen within interstellar material could indicate that 
the sun formed in a region with less oxygen compared to its current 
location, the researchers said.


Or, it could be a sign that oxygen is "locked up" in other galactic 
materials, such as cosmic grains of dust or ice. [ Top 10 Strangest Things 
in Space ]


"That leaves us with a puzzle for now: could it be that some of that oxygen, 
which is so crucial for life on Earth, is locked up in the cosmic dust?" 
asked Eberhard Möbius, a professor at the University of New Hampshire and a 
visiting professor at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. "Or, 
does it tell us how different our neighborhood is compared to the sun's 
birthplace?"


IBEX also measured the interstellar wind traveling at a slower speed and 
from a different direction than was previously thought. The research now 
shows that the interstellar wind exerts 20 percent less pressure on our 
heliosphere, which is a protective bubble that shields our solar system from 
powerful, damaging cosmic rays.


"Measuring the pressure on our heliosphere from the material in the galaxy 
and from the magnetic fields out there will help determine the size and 
shape of our solar system as it travels through the galaxy," Eric Christian, 
IBEX mission scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, 
Md., said in a statement.


A history of the universe
The results of the new study will also help scientists shed light on the 
history of the material in the universe.


"It tells us things about the part of space that we live in, and the 
interaction with that part of space with the rest of the galaxy," McComas 
said.


The observations from IBEX and the ability to determine the ratio of 
elements in space could help scientists understand how the galaxy has 
evolved and changed over time.


"I find it really exciting that right on our front doorstep, we can take a 
sample of this interstellar matter around us," Möbius said. "If you think 
back all the way to the Big Bang, there was only hydrogen and helium. Then 
stars and supernovas sprinkled it with heavy elements - if you imagine that 
we are made out of the material that ha

[meteorite-list] Space Loot

[dorifry]

More on the space loot story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/science/space/nasa-tackles-problem-of-missing-moon-rocks.html

NASA Searches for Loot That Traveled From Space to Another Void

HOUSTON - West Virginia lost one, until it turned up one June day on a 
bookshelf in the basement of a retired dentist. New York has one in a vault 
at a museum in Albany, but another one given to the state for safekeeping 
was not kept very safe, because it appears to be missing, though the 
attorney general's office has started looking into the case.

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Michael Stravato for The New York Times
Joseph R. Gutheinz Jr., a lawyer in Texas who retired from NASA, has helped 
track down dozens of missing moon rocks.


A long-lost one in Colorado resurfaced at the home of a former governor, and 
another one in Arkansas was found among former President Bill Clinton's 
memorabilia. Somebody swiped one from a museum in the island country of 
Malta, and somebody else who got his hands on one in Honduras tried to sell 
it in Miami to an undercover federal agent.


Rare art? Priceless jewels? Nothing so terrestrial.

All of these items were literally out of this world: moon rocks, meteorite 
samples and other so-called astromaterials that were lent to researchers by 
NASA or were offered as gifts to American and foreign leaders.


Hundreds of moon rocks and other space objects have been lost, destroyed, 
stolen or remain unaccounted for, some of which American astronauts and 
presidents presented to dignitaries around the country and the world decades 
ago and others that NASA officials lent for education, research and public 
display. The objects survived in outer space for ages and include some of 
the first samples ever returned from another planetary body, but after just 
a few short years on Earth they met the same fate as a set of car keys or a 
29-cent postcard.


Six meteorite samples lost in the mail in 2004 were headed to a lab at the 
Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington and have never been seen 
since. In 1978, NASA lent a lunar sample disk to the Mount Cuba Astronomical 
Observatory in Greenville, Del. By the time NASA inquired about the disk 
more than 30 years later, the manager responsible for it had died and the 
disk - a six-inch diameter disk with soil and rock materials from the moon - 
was gone. NASA says the observatory could not locate it, but a member of the 
observatory's board of trustees maintains that the manager sent it back to 
NASA.


A piece of the moon weighing 1.1 grams - among lunar samples collected by 
Apollo 17 astronauts in December 1972 - was given to the governor of West 
Virginia more than one year later. Its whereabouts were unknown in recent 
years, until the fragment resurfaced in June 2010, in a box in the basement 
game room of Robert T. Conner, a retired dentist.


The only connection between him and the governor who was presented the lunar 
fragment, Arch A. Moore Jr., was Mr. Conner's brother, who died in 2002. Mr. 
Moore had been a lawyer in the Washington law firm that the brother owned, 
and the box containing the fragment included items from the man's office. 
The fragment was about the size of a dime, encased in a Lucite ball and 
mounted on a wooden plaque, and Mr. Conner had never given it much thought.


"It was not eye-catching at all, that's for sure," said Mr. Conner, 76. "I've 
seen better-looking bowling trophies."


Last month, NASA's inspector general, Paul K. Martin, determined that 517 
moon rocks and other astromaterial samples that were lent between 1970 and 
2010 had been lost or stolen. A report issued by Mr. Martin's office found 
that 11 of the 59 researchers in the Houston and Washington areas who were 
audited could not account for all of the samples NASA had lent them, or the 
agency found other discrepancies, including researchers who had items that 
according to agency records either did not exist or had been lent to others. 
The space agency had also failed to update its records for 12 researchers 
who had died, retired or relocated, in some instances without returning the 
samples. One researcher, the report noted, still had lunar samples he had 
borrowed 35 years earlier though he never conducted research on them.


The report found that Johnson Space Center's Astromaterials Acquisition and 
Curation Office in Houston, which maintains NASA's collection of 163,000 
astromaterial samples, lacked sufficient control over its loans of moon 
rocks and other items for research, education and public display. The 
samples that American and foreign dignitaries received as gifts were not 
included in the report, because the space agency does not track them. 
Moon-rock experts say NASA should keep an inventory of those as well, and 
they estimate that of nearly 400 moon rocks given to state and world leaders 
after the Apollo 11 and 17 missions, almost 200 have been lost, destroyed or 
stolen.


Spokesmen for NASA in Washington and H

[meteorite-list] Lunar Impacts

[dorifry]

The study of lunar zircons helps establish the dates of impact craters.

http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20122301-23036-2.html


Meteorites definitely struck Moon Curtin University
 Tuesday, 24 January 2012

 The presence of zircon in rocks collected during the Apollo missions 
provides unequivocal evidence that meteorites have collided with our Moon.

 Image: NASA/JPL
 Research led by Curtin University geologists has uncovered a wealth of 
new evidence in the mineral zircon from lunar rock samples recovered during 
NASA's Apollo missions, revealing indisputable proof of meteorite collisions 
on the Moon.


 Headed by microstructural geology experts Dr Nick Timms and Professor 
Steven Reddy of the Western Australian School of Mines (WASM), the study 
documents the discovery of impact-related shock features in lunar zircon, 
giving scientists a new conceptual framework to explain the history and 
timing of meteorite impact events in our solar system.


 Dr Timms said the discovery was made while looking more closely at 
lunar zircon mineral grains, with the use of microscopy facilities at 
Curtin, and finding the presence of preserved microscopic details, known as 
planar deformation features (PDFs), as well as micro-twins (impact 
indicators), which are only ever produced by large-scale meteorite impacts.


 "This research is the first to report the presence of PDFs and 
micro-twins in lunar zircon, which provide unequivocal evidence of the 
immense pressures that occur during an impact event," Dr Timms said.


 "This research also provides a new explanation of how these features 
form. As shock waves pass through a rock, fractions of a second after a 
meteorite impact, these features form like microscopic crumple zones which 
are caused by directional differences in zircon's elasticity."


 Dr Timms said the research, which characterises the impact shock 
features, would provide a new framework for scientists to interpret 
impact-related data.


 "The new conceptual framework allows lunar scientists to recognise 
whether complex zircon grains can be explained by a single impact event, or 
require more than one impact event," he said.


 "Furthermore, our new approach allows us to recognise impact-related 
features in zircon in lunar and terrestrial rocks that would otherwise be 
overlooked or difficult to find.


 "This helps us to overcome one of the major problems with studying the 
impact history of the Earth, as direct evidence of impacts, such as craters, 
become eroded and destroyed through processes of plate tectonics, so much so 
that none are preserved from the earliest periods of the Earth's history."


 Dr Timms said the research was a step closer to the major scientific 
goal of establishing the absolute timing of meteorite impact events on the 
Moon, and consequently, the inner solar system.


 "The current paradigm for the early impact history of our solar system 
stems from studies of lunar rocks and involves a period of intense impact 
events around 3.9 billion years ago, known as the 'Late Heavy Bombardment'," 
he said.


 "Recent dating of grains of the mineral zircon in lunar samples by the 
research group at Curtin shows a range of ages that challenges this view and 
we anticipate the new framework will help us to test if this bombardment is 
recorded in similar age zircon grains on Earth."


 This research was the result of a collaborative effort between the 
Curtin research group in Applied Geology, Dr Nick Timms, Professor Steven 
Reddy, Associate Professor Alexander Nemchin, Dr Marion Grange and Professor 
Bob Pidgeon, as well as Dr Rob Hart from the Materials Characterisation 
Group in Curtin Applied Physics and Dr Dave Healy at the University of 
Aberdeen, UK.


 The Curtin research group in Applied Geology is a pioneer in its field 
and is currently leading the world in the application of quantitative 
microstructural techniques to zircon research. In 2006, they also made the 
discovery that zircon could deform in the Earth's crust and that the 
structures formed in this deformation could help modify the geochemistry of 
zircon.


 The group's most recent paper, Resolution of impact-related 
microstructures in lunar zircon: A shock deformation mechanism map, is 
published in the internationally esteemed journal, Meteoritics and Planetary 
Science.




Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century?

[dorifry]

If life has been confirmed on Mars, wouldn't the President have called a 
press conference?


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
- Original Message - 
From: "Count Deiro" 
To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; 


Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most 
significant fall of this century?




Michael has asked:


Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian "Tata" fall is the most
significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the
last 50+ years?


Not even close, Mike if by century, you were referring to falls observed 
through the 1900's. Take Nakhla for example. Witnessed fall. Immediate 
collection by experts and responsible for stirring the fuel under that 
most famous of all Martian argumentsis there is, or is there was 
..life on Mars. Chock full of fossilized nanobacteria, biomorphs and 
whatever else they found last month that is being written up at this 
writing.


Best regards,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


-Original Message-

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
Sent: Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant 
fall of this century?


Hi List,

Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian "Tata" fall is the most
significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the
last 50+ years?

All things considered, this has the makings of a very significant
event for science.  This is the most pristine sample of Mars to arrive
in labs for a long time, if ever.  Even the freshest NWA finds cannot
compare to fresh stones collected less than a year after the fall.
The unbroken stones and larger fragments will supply science with
unaltered, unoxidixed material for research.  This new Martian is
going to be widely studied, so I hope everyone is getting their
microprobes warmed up in anticipation.

Word has it that institutions and museums have been allocated a
sizeable amount of material in terms of trades and donations, so there
appears to be plenty of it available for study.  It is safe to say
that this new meteorite (whatever the official name turns out to be)
will appear in a lot of papers and journals over time.

For science, this is the next best thing to a manned sample-return
mission.  For collectors this is best thing since sliced bread.  The
only thing that could have made this fall better, from a collector's
standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a Bedouin tent and struck a
camel in the hump.  But, you can't have your cake and eat it too.  ;)

So, what is the going consensus on the details of this fall?

Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly "Tata")

TKW - several kilograms, probably less than 10kg.  Much of this is in
the form of large whole stones and large broken stones and that
material has been absorbed into collections and is not likely to
return to the market.  Ballpark figure of material to be available
eventually on the collector market is probably "a few kilos" (2-3kg?)

Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual date - July 25, 2011?
Other reports say earlier in July (13-15?)

Time of fall - day or night?  (night?)

Type - Shergottite, shocked, silver-grey matrix with black shock
veins.  Glossy fresh black fusion crust.

Misc - witness reports include an audible explosion and popping sounds.

Does all of that sound about right?


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Quasicrystals

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21325-nobel-prizewinning-quasicrystal-gets-alien-status.html

A Nobel prizewinning crystal has just got alien status. It now seems that 
the only known sample of a naturally occurring quasicrystal fell from space, 
changing our understanding of the conditions needed for these curious 
structures to form.


Quasicrystals are orderly, like conventional crystals, but have a more 
complex form of symmetry. Patterns echoing this symmetry have been used in 
art for centuries but materials with this kind of order on the atomic scale 
were not discovered until the 1980s.


Their discovery, in a lab-made material composed of metallic elements 
including aluminium and manganese, garnered Daniel Shechtman of the Technion 
Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa last year's Nobel prize in 
chemistry.


Now Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University and colleagues have evidence 
that the only known naturally occurring quasicrystal sample, found in a rock 
from the Koryak mountains in eastern Russia, is part of a meteorite.


Nutty conditions
Steinhardt suspected the rock might be a meteorite when a team that he led 
discovered the natural quasicrystal sample in 2009. But other researchers, 
including meteorite expert Glenn MacPherson of the Smithsonian Institution 
of Washington DC, were sceptical.


Now Steinhardt and members of the 2009 team have joined forces with 
MacPherson to perform a new analysis of the rock, uncovering evidence that 
has finally convinced MacPherson.


In a paper that the pair and their teams wrote together, the researchers say 
the rock has experienced the extreme pressures and temperatures typical of 
the high-speed collisions that produce meteoroids in the asteroid belt. In 
addition, the relative abundances of different oxygen isotopes in the rock 
matched those of other meteorites rather than the isotope levels of rocks 
from Earth.


It is still not clear exactly how quasicrystals form in nature. Laboratory 
specimens are made by depositing metallic vapour of a carefully controlled 
composition in a vacuum chamber. The new discovery that that they can form 
in space too, where the environment is more variable, suggests the crystals 
can be produced in a wider variety of conditions. "Nature managed to do it 
under conditions we would have thought completely nuts," says Steinhardt.


Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, DOI: 
10.1073/pnas.115109


http://www.livescience.com/17708-bizarre-crystal-meteorite.html

http://www.nature.com/news/the-quasicrystal-from-outer-space-1.9728

Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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Re: [meteorite-list] Impact evidence in trees?

[dorifry]

These trees remind me of old Indian trail marker trees. There are a few 
surviving bent tree trail markers here in northern Indiana.


http://www.appalachianhistory.net/2010/12/indian-trail-trees.html

Phil Whitmer
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- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Moody" 

To: ; "MetList" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impact evidence in trees?




Hello Mike and List:
First of all...Seasons Greetings to all!  Hope you all get the rocks you 
want!


Regarding these trees.  Notice that there is a very clear 90 degree seam 
at the bend.  What is done here is a grafting technique, where a 90 degree 
wedge is taken out when the tree is very young <5years, and it is folded 
over on itself , then treated with Plant growth hormones for rapid 
healing. It is sealed with a wax tape Then it is shaped as it grows until 
it reaches the desired shape.  This is a lot of work to get the desired 
results.  I agree with Sergey that is is used in furniture making - very 
expensive furniture.


I have seen 'living' furniture too. Live trees that have been bent and 
grafted into ladders, benches, chairs. Takes years to do well.


Cheers all.

Craig Moody
Univ. of Guelph - Horticulture - Go Aggies!
IMCA #6276
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Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

[dorifry]

- Original Message - 
From: "dorifry" 

To: "dave carothers" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality



Dave,

Yes, they measure changes in bodily functions, nobody disputes that. But 
what do these changes mean? Is there a scientifically proven 
correspondence between the physiological changes and lying or truth 
telling? No there isn't.  The changes could indicate simple nervousness 
about being accused of a crime. They could indicate an upset stomach or a 
migraine headache. They could indicate you're a Yogi master who can 
control his bodily responses. There's way too much room for interpretation 
when you try to determine a specific state of mind by measuring 
physiological responses.


Phil Whitmer

- Original Message - 
From: "dave carothers" 
To: "dorifry" ; "Matson, Robert D." 


Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality


Polygraph instruments are not meant to "read your mind".  They only 
measure changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin 
response, heart rate, etc.).  When properly calibrated, the instrument 
does exactly that. You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph 
instrument.


You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated, there 
are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam.  Their autonomic 
nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception is 
not indicated during the exam questioning.


Merry Christmas everyone!

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: "dorifry" 

To: "Matson, Robert D." 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality



Rob,

There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.

The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable, 
unscientific and biased."


I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood 
pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many 
scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, 
then why bother with a trial?


Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Matson, Robert D." 
To: "dorifry" ; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
; "Benjamin P. Sun" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Polygraph testing legality


Phil wrote:


Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).


Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
contractor on a special-access-required program.  ;-)


Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.


Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
But they can be defeated by pathological liars.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

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Hi Jim,

Actually, in Arizona, polygraph tests are only admissable if the judge and 
both lawyers agree to admit the evidence. You can be 100%  sure that at 
least one lawyer is going to vote against admittance! This is why polygraph 
results are almost never, (if ever)  allowed in court in any state.


Taken together, the scientific studies on polygraph accuracy indicate that 
it's slightly better than flipping a coin.


I can provide anecdotal evidence that is the exact opposite of the story you 
told.


If your son had failed the test, I believe you would think polygraphs are 
completely bogus.


Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Wooddell" 

To: "dorifry" 
Cc: "Matson, Robert D." 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:03 PM
Subject: OT: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality




Hello Phil, Rob,

Some years ago, one of my children was accused of dropping his pants and 
shaking his package at some young girls walking by my home.
The cops came (who I knew...one was and still is a jerk and no longer 
works in my town) and questioned my son in my presence up until I said 
enough. The girls describe a kid in sweat pants and my son had never owned 
sweat pants, nor did the wife ever buy him any.  This one jerk cop had 
something against my kid and just kept pushing my buttons.
During this phase of the investigation, I believed my son 100% that he did 
not do it.  I hired the top #1 man in the State of AZ to do a lie detector 
test on my kid within a day and a half from the interview with the cops. 
My kid traveled to Phoenix to do the test and the end result was he did 
not do what these little girls said he did.
This data was turned over to the County Attorney and a better 
investigation was then conducted where as the little girls admitted to 
lying and the whole thing was dropped.  You can bet your bottom dollar I 
believe the lie detector process works.  The shoe fits on both sides of 
the law.  If the top guy in AZ in the lie detector field conducts a test, 
you can also bet your bottom dollar every court in this state is going to 
respect the results of that test.
Did I mention that cop that kept pushing my buttons no long works for my 
town?  ;-)


So, that saidthe questions of the day.When is a meteorite 
considered paired???
Does someone ( a scientist) just looking at a meteorite and saying it 
looks the same justification for saying it's paired  Or should there 
be chemical testing to support scientific evidence for pairing?


Cheers and Happy Holidays!

Jim


Jim Wooddell
https://k7wfr.us




- Original Message - 
From: "dorifry" 

To: "Matson, Robert D." 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality



Rob,

There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.

The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable, 
unscientific and biased."


I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood 
pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many 
scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, 
then why bother with a trial?


Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Matson, Robert D." 
To: "dorifry" ; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
; "Benjamin P. Sun" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Polygraph testing legality


Phil wrote:


Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).


Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
contractor on a special-access-required program.  ;-)


Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.


Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
But they can be defeated by pathological liars.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

[dorifry]

Rob,

There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.

The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable, unscientific 
and biased."


I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood 
pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many scientists 
would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, then why bother 
with a trial?


Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Matson, Robert D." 
To: "dorifry" ; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
; "Benjamin P. Sun" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Polygraph testing legality


Phil wrote:


Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).


Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
contractor on a special-access-required program.  ;-)


Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.


Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
But they can be defeated by pathological liars.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS

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Hi MikeG:
Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the 
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).  Just my  opinion, but I'm pretty 
sure lie detector tests are pure psuedo-science hokem designed to scare 
perps into confessing. There's a reason they're almost never allowed in 
courts of law.



Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 

To: "Benjamin P. Sun" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS



Hi Benjamin and List,

UPS should polygraph all of their employees about theft and fire every
one that fails.  Granted, I know polygraph testing is not perfect, but
neither is UPS.

I bet they would have to fire 50% of their staff if they did this.

Best regards,

MikeG
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Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
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Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone

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On 12/20/11, Benjamin P. Sun  wrote:

I was going to type a long post about this subject, but I don't have
time. I gtg out and join the fray.. I mean last minute Xmas shopping..

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.sahara-nayzak.com/stolen/planetary.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Start them young...

[dorifry]

I would just change "The friction as it falls through air" to "The ram 
pressure as it falls through air""


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "David Entwistle" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Start them young...



Good basics from Kindergarten Group A...   :o)



A shooting star is not a star
Is not a star at all
A shooting star's a meteor
That's heading for a fall

A shooting star is not a star
Why does it shine so bright?
The friction as it falls through air
Produces heat and light

A shooting star or meteor
Whichever name you like
The minute it comes down to Earth
It's called a meteorite
--
David Entwistle
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[meteorite-list] Star Jelly & Angel Hair

[dorifry]

Angel hair sometime falls in a jelly form. Unlike star jelly, it doesn't 
originate from meteors, it comes from ionized air created by the 
electomagnetic fields of UFOS.


Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_hair_(folklore)
Angel hair (folklore)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search
This article is about Angel hair as in UFOs. For angel hair pasta, see 
Capellini.
Angel hair or siliceous cotton is a substance said to be dispersed from UFOs 
as they fly overhead. It has been described as being like a cobweb or a 
jelly.[1][2][3] It has also been reported at sightings of the Virgin 
Mary.[4][5]


It is named for its similarity to fine hair, or spider webs. Reports of 
angel hair say that it disintegrates or evaporates within a short time of 
forming.[1][6][7][8] One theory is that it is "ionized air sleeting off an 
electromagnetic field" that surrounds a UFO.[9] It is an important aspect of 
Raëlism.[2]


 Contents
 [hide]
   a.. 1 Sightings
   b.. 2 Published explanations
   c.. 3 Angel grass
   d.. 4 See also
   e.. 5 References
   f.. 6 External links


[edit] Sightings
There have been many reports of falls of angel hair around the world.

Angel hair was reported at the Miracle at Fatima on the 13th of September 
and October 1917.[10]


The most reported incidence occurred in Oloron, France in 1952.[2]

On October 27, 1954, Gennaro Lucetti and Pietro Lastrucci stood on the 
balcony of a hotel in St. Mark's Square in Venice and saw two "shining 
spindles" flying across the sky leaving a trail of the angel hair.[1]


In the Portuguese city of Évora on November 2, 1959, angel hair was 
collected and analyzed at the microscope by local school director and later 
by armed forces technicians and scientists of the University of Lisbon. 
Conclusions were not possible although it was formed, apparently, by a small 
organism featuring 10 'arms' stretching from a central core. It was advanced 
that it could be a single-celled organism of some kind. This event followed 
the sighting, by the population of the city, of several UFOs. Angel hair was 
also spotted in the same day, at the Air Force Base of Sintra, several 
kilometers to the north.[citation needed]


[edit] Published explanations
Explanations based on known phenomena include:

 a.. Some types of spiders are known to migrate through the air, sometimes 
in large numbers, on cobweb gliders.[5] Many cases of angel hair were 
nothing other than these spider threads and, in one occasion, small spiders 
have been found on the material.[8]
 b.. Atmospheric electricity may cause floating dust particles to become 
polarized, and attraction between these polarized dust particles may cause 
them to join together, to form long filaments.[11]
 c.. On two occasions a sample was sent for testing once on the 13 of 
October in 1917 a sample found at Cova da Iria was sent to Lisbon and on 
October 17, 1957 another sample found at Cova da Iria and examined. The 
analysis of this proved to be natural consisting of white flakes. When put 
under a microscope it was found to be a vegetable product not animal.[10]

Explanations related to Unidentified Flying Objects include:

 a.. Ionized air may be sleeting off the electromagnetic field that 
surrounds a UFO.[9]

 b.. Excess energy converted into matter.[1]
 c.. The usage by UFOs of a G-field would cause heavy atoms in ordinary air 
to react among themselves and produce a kind of precipitate that falls to 
the ground and disappears as the ionization decreases.[12]

[edit] Angel grass
"Angel grass" is a related phenomenon. It is when short metallic threads 
fall from the sky, often forming intertwined loosed masses.[8] They are a 
type of Chaff, a radar counter-measure which can be in the form of fine 
strands, which is dropped by some military aircraft.[8] It can also come 
from sounding rockets and balloons, which would have released it at high 
altitude for radar tracking.[8]




Angel hair sometime falls  in a jelly form. Unlike star jelly, it doesn't 
originate from meteors, it comes from ionized air from the electomagnetic 
fields of UFOS.


Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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[meteorite-list] Meteorites Supposedly Start Forest Fire

[dorifry]

The idea that small meteorites can start fires has become "common knowledge" 
in the mind of the general public.


I like how he calls them "nickel rocks," and how they speculate in the last 
paragraph that meteor showers may have started the Chicago Fire!


http://kdrv.com/oregon_trails/233107



By Ron Brown



SAMS VALLEY, Ore. -- This past summer marks the 17th anniversary of one of 
the biggest fire seasons in Southern Oregon in several years, including the 
Hull Mountain Fire in Sams Valley. Investigators are pretty sure that fire 
was arson-caused.



There was another fire in the same area just a few weeks later. It was 
called the "Sprignet Butte Fire", and burned over a thousand acres in the 
Evans Creek area.



Those who were in the Rogue Valley in the summer of 1994 remember it as a 
particularly bad year for wildfires. Within weeks of the end of the Hull 
Mountain Fire, which burned several homes and killed a man, another fire 
broke out near Sprignet Butte, just a mile or so from the start of the Hull 
Mountain Fire.



Investigators say several ignition points were located, near a forest road. 
It certainly looked like the work of arsonists, maybe the same person who 
started the Hull Mountain Fire, but could there be another explanation?



Sharon Weeg thinks so. She lived near there then, and had already been 
evacuated three times because of fires that summer. She says fire 
investigators then were skeptical. They'd never heard of a meteorite started 
a wildfire. After all these years, she's convinced that space rock landed in 
the tinder-dry forest and started the Sprignet Butte Fire.



The question always remained... What happened to any of that meteorite? 
Could it have survived? And could it still be up there? That's where Tony 
Gallios comes into the story. Earlier this year he met Sharon Weeg at 
Accurate Locators in Gold Hill, shopping for parts for his metal detector. 
When she told him about the meteorite she saw, his curiosity led him to go 
on a search into the hills near east Evans Creek, to see if he couldn't find 
a trace of that space rock.



Gallios found three pieces of nickel rock that seems to meet all the tests 
so far for being a meteorite. There were three pieces, all within a few 
inches of each other. All seem to fit together. Gallios says he's in contact 
with the Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory to confirm that it is, in fact, a 
space rock.



It's been a little over 17 years ago when the Sprignet Butte Fire burned 
across those hills, scorching almost 1,200 acres. State fire investigators 
at first thought it was an arsonist that started those fires. Now there's a 
chance that the stones that were found by Tony Guillios could've been 
meteorites that could actually started a good part of that fire.



Dick Pugh with the Cascadia Meteorite Lab is attempting to catalogue every 
meteorite that's ever landed in Oregon. He says there's about a half dozen 
so far and the first were actually just a few miles from the rock Tony 
Found, on Sams Creek near Gold Hill. Actually, several pieces were found 
mostly by gold miners.



Others have been found near Klamath Falls, in Antelope Valley, and near 
Lakeview. If the meteorites did start the Sprignet Butte Fire, there may be 
other pieces still out there. Not hot any more, but perhaps the "smoking 
guns" fire investigators have been looking for almost two decades.



Scientists and fire investigators are not sure that meteorites the size of 
the objects found by Gallios really can start fires. Some speculate that a 
rash of fires in 1871, including the great Chicago Fire and the Peshtigo, 
Wisconsin Fire could have be linked to meteor showers that summer. 
Meanwhile, others observers say meteorites are actually too cool when they 
hit the ground to start a fire.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone

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 From the Urban Dictionary:



 1. sharter
One who sharts (soils one's pants while simply intending to fart).


 2. sharter
to shart oneself. to try to fart and accidentally shit oneself. the 
person committing the act of sharting.



Related: shartastical, shartariffic, shartpro

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Gessler" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone


If you look at the description he calls it a “SHA(R)TTER CONE” which is 
actually closer to what it really is.

Turns out there is some truth in advertising.

Paul G
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[meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone

[dorifry]

Here's a 53.5 pound lunar shatter cone from the Montrose, Colorado lunar 
strewnfield:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Shatter-Cone-/150712542515?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23172ae533

Found in Montrose County Colorado - - Montrose Lunar Shartter Cone (Luna 
Rose).

Elemetal Chemistries in PPM'S from XRF Analysis:
Au (-10), Pt (31), Ag (-8), Pd (-9), Fe (17.ok), Mo (5), Zr (43), Sr (444), 
Rb (10), Th (9), Pb (19), Zn (39), Cu (290), Co (155), Mn (1137), Ba (6871), 
Cs (372)
This is an uncut piece weighing 53.5 lbs (aprox 24,000 grams). Shows 
ablative thumb prints. aerodynamic , rounded leading edges, taper trailing 
edges, heat bubbles, veining, and fissures.
Please email with any questions. Buyer to pay shipping or local pickup 
availble.

--
My buddy emailed the seller with some incisive questions, got a noncommittal 
answer, said he was selling it for a friend.


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[meteorite-list] The Best Hike on Mars You'll Ever Take

[dorifry]

This video compresses 5 years and 4 months of the Martian rover Spirit's 
travels on the surface of the Red Planet into less than 3 minutes.




The Best Hike On Mars You'll Ever Take

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/12/02/143051269/the-best-hike-on-mars-you-ll-ever-take

by Robert Krulwich

It took five years, three months and 27 days, but you can do it all in three 
minutes. Here, from start to finish, is what the NASA rover "Spirit" 
sniffed, bopped, scratched and saw as it moved across 4.8 miles of the 
Martian surface.


The lens is wide-angled, so the horizon always looks like a curved mountain 
top; every so often a one-armed probe, looking weirdly lobster-like, will 
suddenly appear, noodle around, poke, tap or sift through the Martian soil.


Towards the end you'll catch glimpses of the sun setting, (same sun! 
different set! I thought.) until Spirit gets stuck in the Martian muck and 
then, dramatically, everything goes dark. The folks who edited this together 
added movie music, which makes it really fun to watch. This is the best 
low-res, low-priced, low energy Martian hike you'll ever take.


-

Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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Re: [meteorite-list] "Al Hagg".. reply

[dorifry]

The term "fossil" does not refer to the time period in which the meteorite 
fell. It refers to the conglomeritic texture of the meteorite. It's a 
borrowed geological term for anything (usually plant or animal remains) that 
have become embedded and preserved by natural processes in the Earth's 
crust. The only time constraint is it has to have been buried before the 
beginnng of recorded history.


In this case the meteorite has become incorporated into the surrounding 
conglomerate material consisting of carbonate clasts from the limestone 
bedrock and an aggregate of pebbles and related lithologies from the nearby 
hills and alluvial fans.


From the Ted Bunch et al. article:
NWA 2828/2965 as a fossil or paleo meteorite. Of course! However, there are 
few guidelines. The Meteoritical Society Guidelines for Meteorite 
Nomenclature say this about "relict meteorites":


 c) Special provisions are made in these Guidelines for highly altered 
materials that may have a meteoritic origin, designated relict meteorites, 
which are dominantly (>95%) composed of secondary minerals formed on the 
body on which the object was found. Examples of such material may include 
some types of "meteorite shale," "fossil meteorites," and fusion crust.


We find this rather confusing and ambiguous. Because rounded pieces of NWA 
2828/2965 are clearly incorporated into a terrestrial rock (an indurated 
conglomerate) by natural geological processes, then they should be 
considered as fossil meteorites (albeit from a huge ancient fall).




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Phil Whitmer

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To: ; 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Al Hagg".. reply



Hi Greg,

It was a little late when I posted and I hadn't rested since Nov. 30; and 
as a topic of discussion I guess this shouldn't be pursued.  Anyway, the 
classification will be changed if you give it some time, and if you have a 
greater grasp of what's gone on, so be it; how a letter to the editors of 
the bulletin is construed as 'arrogant' is completely lost on me but it 
sounds like I really don't want to know why.


" your own cute spin on it"
"This does 'confirm "EL6 is a good match!!!"

Speaking of the classification: don't know what my 'cute spin' is 
considering I've agreed with the revised US classification you since my 
first post after reading the well-researched page that was posted.  The 
reason I posted the 2011 EL6 article was because it would seem to be new 
and confirms it is not an aubrite and the authors saw more material or/and 
research and are now convinced of that.  It would seem things are moving 
in the right direction, just slowly.  I'm sure this will all be resolved 
in its due time.


Speaking of the terminology - fossil, paleo meteorite:  Like you, I will 
speak my mind about the concept of meteorite "fossils" anytime and any 
place because that is a claim that just doesn't sound right.  Too bad it 
was attached to this relict.  When you said you were going to be blunt and 
call discussing it 'boring to most', I took umbrage.  But all that has 
passed and I hope all works out as it usually does in time.


I suppose if a meteorite is shown conclusively to have fallen in a 
previous time period it would be accurate to call it a an Ionian 
(middle-Pleistocene) meteorite if, for example, that is applicable, to 
refer to the fact that it was shown to have fallen in that time.  That 
would make Gold Basin a Tarantian (upper-Pleistocene) meteorite as another 
example.  It sounds very different to me to call the meteorite a fossil 
vs. have a reference to when it fell, but perhaps it's just me.


Best of luck to you as well, Peace;
(waves the white flag)
Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupé 
To: Meteorite-list ; MexicoDoug 


Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 3:00 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Al Hagg".. yawn?


Respectfully Doug,
My god man, really?

You wrote,
"What is your reply to this 2011 EL6 poster?  Is it 'acceptable' to you
since aubrite is removed?  Or must more blood be drawn from the stone..."
Doug, I have no influence to anyone's written or online articles... 
consult

them! This does 'confirm "EL6 is a good match!!!

You wrote (sorrowfully arrogant  & ignorant):
"A simple email to the editor at this point should be what is needed; no 
one
likes getting yelled at to do something, I'm sure no one is happy to 
change

it now."
Doug, I am not yelling at anyone. When this subject enters our lives I 
will

speak my mind with what I know. If you want to get evolved, don't dog me,
match up to Tony, Ted and 'Al Hagg... et al'. I am simply the field person
from 2005 who brought out NWA 2828, I know, the start of this mess!!! :-/

And, "YES!", Doug, I challenge the Bulletin to decide this "dead horse", 
too
much time has gone by. Doug, I do not know why you push this 'mud' with 
your
own cute spin on it, you seem

[meteorite-list] Cannon Falls Man Discovers Meteorite, Again

[dorifry]

 CF man discovers meteorite, again



 by Ken Haggerty



 Skunk Hollow resident Larry Plucker is a fairly down-to-earth guy, 
except for maybe once every fifty years or so when he has what could be 
called cosmic experiences.


 Plucker, who runs an appliance repair business, grew up on a farm near 
Emery, South Dakota. When he was just a kid, back in 1962, he pulled a 
somewhat different looking rock out of a rock pile on the farm.


 The curious young kid did some encyclopedia research and suspected he 
had discovered a meteorite. He saw an article on meteorites in the farming 
magazine "The Furrow" and, as suggested in the article, sent a sample of the 
rock to the American Meteorite Laboratory in Denver, where it was confirmed 
a meteorite.


 The Lab, which was aggressively researching meteorites as the U.S. was 
in the early years of the space program, bought his 36 pound rock for nearly 
$200.


 (A meteorite is a natural object originating in outer space that 
survives impact with the Earth's surface. When a meteoroid enters the 
atmosphere, the body heats up and emits light, thus forming a fireball, also 
known as a meteor or shooting/falling star. There are about 40,000 
documented meteorite finds in the world.)


 Fast forward almost half a century. It's late-October, 2011, when 
Plucker, his wife and son are on vacation in Washington, D.C. doing all the 
touristy monument and museum visits.


 During a stop at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, Plucker 
was walking through an exhibit on various geological finds when he said to 
his wife "I wonder whatever happened to the meteorite I found." Plucker said 
they turned a corner and moments later he noticed a glassed-in display of 
meteorites, including one named "Emery" that was discovered in South Dakota, 
1962.


 The meteorite he had found as a kid was on display at the Smithsonian! 
It turns out his meteorite is a type called a mesosiderite, and is a mix of 
stone, iron and nickel and is one of the more rare meteorites. Plucker says 
only about one percent of the found meteorites are of this type.


 Plucker grabbed a few pictures of his second chance occurrence with 
this cosmic rock for posterity and smiled about the probability and odds of 
finding that meteorite not once, but twice.


 Since he was a kid, Plucker has kept a sliver of the meteorite, which 
he carries with him in his wallet for good luck. As Plucker jokes, "You know 
what they say: 'Catch a falling star and put in your pocket!'"



 
http://www.cannonfalls.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=21039

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[meteorite-list] Pope Benedict XVI's Astronomer: the Catholic Church Welcomes Aliens

[dorifry]

You'll notice Brother Guy's hair suspiciously covers the top of his ears. 
What is he hiding? Is he possibly a secret Vulcan, like this guy?:


http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x466/joshuatree/obama.jpg


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8009299/Pope-Benedict-XVIs-astronomer-the-Catholic-Church-welcomes-aliens.html



Pope Benedict XVI's Astronomer: the Catholic Church Welcomes Aliens:


Highly evolved extra terrestrial lifeforms may be living in space and would 
be welcomed into the church - "no matter how many tentacles", one of the 
Pope's astronomers has said.


Brother Guy Consolmagno is curator of the Pope's meteorite collection Photo: 
AP Photo/Plinio Lepri


By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent

4:16PM BST 17 Sep 2010

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The senior Vatican scientist, Brother Guy Consolmagno, said that he would be 
delighted if we encountered intelligent aliens and would be happy to baptise 
them.


His pronouncement opens up the possibility of space missionaries heading out 
to the stars to convert aliens to Christianity.


Speaking on the eve of addressing the British Science Festival, Dr 
Consolmangno said he had no problem with science and religion co-existing 
together.


But he dismissed Creationism and claimed that the revival of "intelligent 
design" - the controversial theory that only God can explain gaps in the 
theory of evolution - was "bad theology".


Dr Consolmango is one of a team of 12 astronomers working for the Vatican, 
said the Catholic Church had been supporting and funding science for 
centuries.


He said he was "comfortable" with the idea of alien life and asked if he 
would baptise an alien, he replied "Only if they asked".


"I'd be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found 
intelligent life elsewhere," he said.


"But the odds of us finding it, of it being intelligent and us being able to 
communicate with it - when you add them up it's probably not a practical 
question.


"God is bigger than just humanity. God is also the god of angels."

He said the characteristics synonymous with having a soul - intelligence, 
free will, freedom to love and freedom to make decisions may not be unique 
to humans.


"Any entity - no matter how many tentacles it has has a soul,' he said.

However machines were unlikely to be smart or human-enough to have souls.

Dr Consolmango, 57, the curator of the Pope's meteorite collection, is a 
trained astronomer and planetary scientist at the Vatican's observatory.


He worked as a scientist in California for 15 years before turning to the 
church.


He said "intelligent design" had been "hijacked" by religious 
fundamentalists.


"The word has been hijacked by a narrow group of Creationist fundamentalists 
in America to mean something it did not originally mean at all.


"It's another form of the God of the gaps," he said.

'It's bad theology in that it turns God once again into the pagan god of 
thunder and lightning.'


The phrase 'Intelligent Design' was centuries old and described the idea 
that God could be discovered in the laws of space and time and the existence 
of human reason..


The Vatican was 'very aware' of what was going on in the world of science, 
he added.


The Pontifical Academy of Science, of which Stephen Hawking is a member, 
kept the senior cardinals and the Pope up-to-date with the latest scientific 
developments, he said.


The discovery of aliens would raise huge theological problems for the Roman 
Catholic church that would make the debate over women priests, clerical 
abstinence and contraception pale into insignificance.


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[meteorite-list] Piece Of Burnt Meteorite Falls On East Delhi Housetop

[dorifry]

What the heck izzat? Click on the link for a photo. It looks like fulgurites 
or tektites, but of course it's probably some kind of slag amd the kids made 
up the part about seeing it fall from the sky in a ball of flame.

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http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/Piece_Of_Burnt_Meteorite_Falls_On_East_Delhi_Housetop-12414.html

New Delhi, Nov 28: A burning piece of space debris, probably a meteorite, 
fell on the roof of a house in East Delhi's Gandhinagar area on Sunday 
evening.


The house owner immediately poured water on the burnt piece after which it 
broke up into small stones.


The burning meteorite piece first struck the roof and fell on the balcony 
setting some clothes, a water jar and a bike on fire.


Children playing on the roof at dusk noticed the burning object falling. 
Neighbours rushed with pails of water to douse the flame.


Says an eye witness Namanpreeet Kaur: "It took nearly 20 minutes to douse 
the flame". The object was so hot that it burnt even a portion of the wall.


The burning meteorite later converted into several black stones.The local 
police has sent the stones to a forensic lab for tests.


Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men: Geoff Notkin Previews Season Three Premiere

[dorifry]

Nice write-up

http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/meteorite-men/meteorite-men-geoff-notkin-previews-season-three-premiere/108021



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[meteorite-list] Hammer???

[dorifry]

OK, now that this discussion has descended into just plain silliness, if a 
meteorite hit and killed a pig, would it be a ham-hammer?


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[meteorite-list] White House: No Evidence That ETs Have Reached Out To Touch Us -- Or Even Exist

[dorifry]

http://www.aol.com/2011/11/08/white-house-says-no-et-evidence_n_1081731.html#s307060&title=Lanterns


White House: No Evidence That ETs Have Reached Out To Touch Us -- Or Even 
Exist

Posted: 11/8/11 10:09 AM ET

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There's no evidence of any extraterrestrial life and "no credible 
information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's 
eye."


And there you have it, straight from the White House's mouth, so to speak. 
UFO aficionados, skeptics and believers alike have waited patiently since 
September to see how the Obama administration would respond to two petitions 
under the new "We the People" program.


According to the official response written and released Friday evening by 
Phil Larson at the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy, while 
the government is saying it has "no evidence that any life exists outside 
our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged 
any member of the human race," the door is still open to the possibility and 
search efforts "of life outside our planet."



And those efforts include the ongoing Search for Extraterrestrial 
Intelligence -- or SETI -- which uses ground-based telescopes to try and 
tune in to signals from another world.


Larson's response also mentions the Kepler spacecraft in Earth's orbit, 
searching for Earth-like planets, and the upcoming Mars Science Laboratory, 
a car-size vehicle that will explore the geology of the red planet to look 
for any of the building blocks of life.


Undoubtedly, the minions who believe that Earth has already been visited by 
at least one race of extraterrestrials -- citing photographic, film, video 
tape, radar returns and landing traces as evidence -- will surely be 
disappointed with the White House's "no evidence" stance.


Steven Bassett, who penned the first alien disclosure petition in September, 
isn't satisfied with the White House response and has announced on his 
Paradigm Research Group site his intention of filing another petition.


"The [White House] response was unacceptable. Much feedback is likely. PRG 
will begin to pre-promote a new petition relevant to the Disclosure process 
... and will continue to keep the Disclosure issue front and center within 
this attempt at participatory democracy by the Obama administration," 
Bassett wrote.


If someone, like Bassett, isn't happy with the response given by the Obama 
administration, he or she can turn right around and file a new petition with 
no restrictions.


"There's no reason someone couldn't submit a second petition," White House 
spokesman Matt Lehrich told The Huffington Post in an e-mail Monday. "If it 
crosses the threshold [of 25,000 signatures], it will get a response. 
Obviously, if the petition is very similar, it may garner a similar 
response."


Any backlash to the White House ET response will most likely come from 
people and organizations who will point to the thousands of pages of 
previously classified government documents about UFOs -- many of which 
clearly indicate that some UFO encounters with military forces and airline 
pilots in the past were considered so important that they weren't disclosed 
to the public.


Of course, anything in the sky that can't be identified is a UFO. Experts, 
government officials and military personnel have often been unable to 
explain away sightings. That doesn't prove the existence of ETs, but it 
convinces many that we are not alone in the universe.








They have got bases all over the world now, you know. They've been coming 
here ever since 1946 when the scientists first started bouncing radar beams 
off of the moon. And they have been living and working among us in vast 
quantities ever since. The government knows all about 'em.


Well, they are people just like us, from within our own solar system. Except 
that their society is more highly evolved. I mean, they don't have no wars, 
they got no monetary system, they don't have any leaders because I mean each 
man is a leader. I mean each man ... because of their technology they are 
able to feed, clothe, house and transport themselves equally and with no 
effort.


Why don't they reveal themselves to us is because if they did it would cause 
a general panic. Now, I mean, we still have leaders upon whom we rely for 
the release this information. These leaders have decided to repress this 
information because of the tremendous shock that it would cause to our 
antiquated systems. Now, the result of this has been that the Venusians have 
contacted people at all walks of life, all walks of life.



It would be a devastating blow to our antiquated systems. So now Venusians 
are meeting with people in all walks of life in an advisory capacity. For 
once, man will have a god-like control over his own destiny. He will have a 
chance to transcend and to evolve with some equality for all.



-

Ph

Re: [meteorite-list] The Dark Side.. Oops!

[dorifry]

Do people still say "dark side of the moon" when referring to the far side 
of the moon? Apparently so!


Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
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From: "Count Deiro" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Dark Side.. Oops!



Hi all,

Here's the link.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efb_1319733442

Guido
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - CambridgeEncyclopedia & More - AD

[dorifry]

Doug,

I beg to differ, my rooster clucks on a regular basis. My kids named him
Clucky for his vociferous habit of vocalizing. He's very gentelmanly,
refusing to eat until the hens have had their fill. He often stands by when
a hen is laying an egg. When a hen lays an egg, she announces it to the
world by loudly clucking. Clucky will strut around the hen, imitating her
clucking in a loud voice. I've had dozens of rooster, clucking is rare, but
they definitely do it.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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From: "MexicoDoug" 
To: ; ; 
; ; 
; 

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - 
CambridgeEncyclopedia & More - AD




Hi Richard,

That's something the rooster can cluck about !

(roosters don't cluck; so this can be made into the same joke as 'if a 
rooster lays an egg on the roof while facing west with and eastward wind, 
which way will it roll off),


Kindestw ishes
Doug
I promise no more dumb cluck jokes tonight!


-Original Message-
From: Richard Montgomery 
To: cdtucson ; meteorite-list 
; geohiggins ; 
bandk ; sterling_k_webb ; 
MexicoDoug 

Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2011 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - 
CambridgeEncyclopedia & More - AD



Doug, somehow the rooster is off the hook herealways "quick" to get up
in the morning and crow...ask the chicken, she'll blame the rooster for
being too early every time.

Chuckles,
Richard Montgomery



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From: "MexicoDoug" 
To: ; ;
; ; 


Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT Meteorite Sale - Rare Types -
CambridgeEncyclopedia & More - AD




Carl asked:

"What came first. The chicken or the egg?"

Hi Carl

As for birds, all scientists that subscribe to evolution now know

that the

egg came first.  Some reptile laid it but the combination of the

genes

that resulted from momma and pappa reptile-birdish produced the first
genetic bird.  Said another way in Sterling's terms with which I

agree but

am not so excited by, the egg didn't magically appear, it was just

one

mutation of the reptile bush that started the bird blood line. So if
someone askes, what came first, just say "the dinosaur" and you can't

go

wrong.

If you want to be more specific, a Red Junglefowl and a Grey

Junglefowl

mated and the female laid the first chicken eggs.  The first Chicken

to

emerge alive was the first Chicken.

Kindest wishes
Doug




-Original Message-
From: cdtucson 
To: MexicoDoug ; meteorite-list
; geohiggins

;

Becky and Kirk ; Sterling K. Webb

Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2011 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types -
CambridgeEncyclopedia & More - AD


Sterling,
Okay.
I have some real  questions for you.
What came first. The chicken or the egg?
Seriously!
Also, Even if your statements are true.
Isn't there a missing link between not alive and alive?
And couldn't man have arrived here as a man and not an ape?
Why did it take man s long to develop if it derived from the soup
already
here?
Thanks,
Carl





 "Sterling K. Webb"  wrote:

One. There is NO "missing link between Ape and
Man" since human ancestry is a "brush or shrub,"
not a "tree."

Two: Lucy is either ONE of many links "between
Ape and Man" or One Cousin to one "link between
Ape and Man," of which there are probably dozens
of so-called "species."

If this is confusing, just tell me WHICH of your great-
great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents
(numbering 1024) you are descended from? Or is
it from ALL of them?

For example, if you are a non-African, non-Asian
H. sap, you have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA. Is
H. sap. "descended from" H. neanderthalensis?
Well, no. On the other hand... Well, yes.

Human thinking about "blood lines" and "ancestry"
is hopelessly corrupted by meaningless notions
derived from antiquated tripe, of which the idea of
the "Missing Link" is one.

Three: There is no way (absent remarkable recovery
of DNA beyond present technology) to "prove" any
potential intermediary form actually IS intermediary
except for good judgment.


Sterling K. Webb




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- Original Message -
From: "Becky and Kirk" 
To: ; ;
"MexicoDoug" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types -
CambridgeEncyclopedia & More - AD


>I don't believe that "Lucy" has ever been proven to be the "missing
>link." Science knows it will have to do better than that.
>
> Australopithecine has often been debated---but never proven as such
> beyond any doubt. Lucy and her kind still spent most of their time

in

> trees as I recall.
>
> Kirk.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "MexicoDoug" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types -

Cambridge

> Encyclopedia & More - AD
>
>

[meteorite-list] Hard Core

[dorifry]

Hard Core Meteorite Impact

http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4297/hard-core-meteorite-impact


Nice graphics.

Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Any experts on meteorite Kiris blades

[dorifry]

I've never once seen a meteoritic iron kris blade, but I've see about a 
bazillion made of Damascus steel. Damascus sort of looks like a 
Widmansttaten pattern if you didn't know any better.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Darryl Pitt" 

To: "Michael Gilmer" 
Cc: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any experts on meteorite Kiris blades





Hi Mike,

That's not quite accurate.  Many are made of steel, Damascus steel, etc.




On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote:


I've seen a couple of these for sale on eBay in the past.  They were
not exactly like the one's in Rob's photos, but they were similar.
(if I recall correctly)

Rob, if you have physical access to the blades in questions, a quick
nickel test should rule in/out a meteoritic origin.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 10/22/11, Darryl Pitt  wrote:



Hi,

Be very, very careful.

The stories associated with most krises for sale in Indonesia are
apocryphal.  I've heard more fantastic stories---truly extraordinary
tales---before the price drops precipitously during the course of
negotiations.

The kris is a very important cultural symbol and there are so many 
legends
attached to this weapon.  My favorite?  It was widely believed a kris 
would,
on its own, slide out of its sheath and fly through the sky to strike 
the

enemies of its owner.

Meteoritic iron?  I've heard this a lotfar too often, in fact---and 
I

would be extremely suspicious.


Best / darryl







On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:


Hello all

I have a friend vacationing who ran across an antique store selling 
three

Indonesian blades claiming to be made of "meteoric iron". While I know
that if you are going to find a meteorite blade it's gonna be 
Indonesian
or Mike Miller's, I  know very little about what they should look like. 
If

the list holds any experts please have a look and weigh in.

http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/blades.htm

Thanks

Rob Wesel
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[meteorite-list] Magic Potato from Space-Meteorite

[dorifry]

Don't quite know what to make of this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magic-Potato-Space-Meteorite-/260854313267?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbc20f133I
 guess it's sort of funny.Phil WhitmerJoshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
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Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.

[dorifry]

According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of 
dollars. Larger ones are worth billions!


Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Falls" 
To: "'Count Deiro'" ; 


Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.



Interesting!!
I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars 
according to the

article??

Best Regards,
Bob Falls

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count 
Deiro

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.

Hi Listees,

Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986
3.html

Best,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
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[meteorite-list] 8000BC Big Dipper Petroglyph: Evolution of star positions 2

[dorifry]

Hi Robert,

I'm assuming the 150,000 yrs BP is a typo, since the oldest known 
petroglyphs are about 12,000 years old and the first cave paintings date 
back 35,000 yrs.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

--- 


Hello Mexico Doug, List,

Thanks for the video. This concept of the evolution of the configuration
of the stars of the Big Dipper is evidently widespread in China because
it's even used in high-school teaching materials. This is why Wu Jiacai
did not bother to list a source for his diagram of the evolution of the
configuration from 100,000 BP to 12,000 AD.

By the way, a stone originally owned by an antiquarian is claimed to be an
even more ancient (150,000 yrs BP) map of the Big Dipper
(http://61.128.162.70/stone/686/686.htm). Click once on the arrow below
details (A), (b), and (C), and you see the current configuration of the
Big Dipper; click a 2nd time, and you see the configuration 100,000 yrs in
the future; click a 3rd time, and you see the configuration 100,000 yrs
BP.

One other figure in Wu Jiacai's scholarly article may interest
astronomers; I've extracted and entitled it "Full19-StarConfig.jpg" at
https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/18663629/1/Hongshan%20Cu15, 16, and 17
lture?h=bdfa66 It shows all 19 of the pockmarks on the rock that he
regards as stars. The seven stars of the Big Dipper are linked by dotted
lines. He says stars number 9, 10, 11, and 12 belong to Bootes, while 15,
16, and 17 are known as the "Three Stars." To hazard a guess, the "Three
Stars" may be epsilon, sigma and rho Bootis, known in China for a few
thousand years as "Genghe 1, 2, and 3," but of course he's talking about
star positions 10,000 years ago. Lastly, he says that 13, 14, 16, 18, 19,
and 20 are unknown as yet.

Regards

Robert A. Juhl, Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!

[dorifry]

Hi John:

Don't let the door hit you in the tuchus on your way out!

Phil Whitmer


- Original Message - 
From: "John Teague" 

To: "Michael Gilmer" ; "Marc Fries" 
Cc: "Adam" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!


Well, sure Mike,  why use reason and logic in this 'debate'?!?  Where 
would the world be if we all did that?


This 'debate' is why I NO LONGER suggest this list to my customers at 
shows.  I have had too many of them come back and ask why I had 
"meteorite-list" on my handout of website information for customers.  I 
received so many negative comments/complaints about petty bickering (and 
NOT so petty!) that I've removed it.


I keep asking myself "Why do I continue to subscribe?"  It is getting 
harder and harder to come up with a valid reason ... just stubborn I 
guess!


Just my two coppers worth ...

John


-Original Message-

From: Michael Gilmer 
Sent: Sep 6, 2011 3:48 PM
To: Marc Fries 
Cc: Adam 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!

Hi Gang,

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think one simple fact is being
overlooked by almost everyone involved here, and this simple criteria
is the ultimate litmus test that definitively confirm or deny a
terrestrial origin for a given sample...


Drumroll please

Cosmic ray exposure data.  Elemental analysis is fine and dandy, and
it can answer many questions, but it cannot definitively confirm or
deny the terrestrial (or meteoritic) origin for a sample.  It simply
states what elements are present in the sample and in what
concentrations (within a margin of error) these elements are present.
As we all know, some lunar and martian meteorites are very similar in
elemental composition to their terrestrial analogs.  But, terrestrial
rocks have never been exposed to cosmic rays.  By contrast, all
meteorites have been exposed to cosmic rays during their journey from
the parent body to Earth.  This exposure leaves tell-tale markers in
the material.

Of course, I am over-simplifying to some degree, and the cosmic ray
exposure clock can be reset by certain events, but those events also
leave their own signatures.

Simple XRF analysis, and/or visual comparisons will not cut it to make
a truly definitive and authoritative judgement on the origins of a
rock.

Run cosmic ray exposure studies on the material in question - if it
was exposed to cosmic rays, then that material has spent time outside
of Earth's protective shield.  Once that has been established, then
the samples can be subjected to SEM (scanning electron microprobe) to
determine the composition of the material to a more accurate and
specific degree than the XRF will reveal.

Best regards,

MikeG

-
Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer)

Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
-

On 9/6/11, Marc Fries  wrote:

Oh come on, Adam!  Clearly the good Sheriff is an expert at identifying
Martian meteorites.

The only non-awesome part of that email was how I was somehow left off 
the

Thinks Steve Curry is a Moron list.  I feel cheated.

Cheers,
Marc Fries

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Adam Hupe  wrote:


Hi List,

I would suggest deleting Steve C.s emails from now on.


Steve got exactly what he was after now that this garbage has been 
posted
to the List.  His San Juan breccia has already been studied and 
denounced
by the most qualified laboratories. He refuses to follow the same 
channels

the rest of us have to in order to make meteorites official.  For some
reason, possibly watching too much television, he thinks that he is 
better

than everybody else, can set his own rules and become an instant
millionaire.  Sorry, Steve, despite what the voices in your head might 
be

telling you, your gaggle of "Moon Rocks" is not better than the NASA
Apollo returned collection!

He now wants more attention with this fake showdown which will 
accomplish
nothing because the results would not be what he wants to hear or 
believe.

He has the nerve to question the integrity of the best planetary
scientists in the world in his latest ramblings.  He now thinks by
comparing his terrestrial rocks to best lunar meteorite in the world 
that
he can gain even more notoriety. He does not deserve any more 
attention.

I will certainly not degrade a piece of real NWA 5K by engaging in this
ridiculous "High Noon" challenge.


My challenge to Stevy is how many "Denver Death Cookies" can he drink 
at

Denver show at Teddy's Bar?

Enough of this crap already,

Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!

[dorifry]

Sorry, but this is unnacceptable unless The Amazing Randi is somehow 
involved. This may finally put an end to the meteoritical activities of 
Chicago Steve! Sorry Steve, I'm just jealous that you were included on the 
illustrious list.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


- Original Message - 
From: "Walter L. Newton" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!


For you reading pleasure, a LONG message from Steve Curry to... well... a
heck of a lot of people.

P.S. I'm not even a member of the IMCA, so I'm not sure how I can tender my
resignation. Can I find two members to vouch for me so I can join, just in
case I need to resign?

Walter L. Newton
303-838-2058

Website
http://newton.acrossthebow.com/

Jewelry
http://www.etsy.com/shop/hummingbirdcustom

Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Promised_You_a_Rose_Garden_(play)




From: Steve Curry [mailto:cwhei...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:24 AM
To: wahlpe...@aol.com; Walter L. Newton; mexicod...@aim.com;
countde...@earthlink.net; daist...@hotmail.com; stlouismeteori...@gmail.com;
raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list; JoshuaTreeMuseum;
yeom...@gmail.com; mikest...@gmail.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com;
gmh...@centurylink.net; daniel_w...@comcast.net;
sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com;
axolot...@gmail.com; Randy Korotev; Randy L. Korotev; John Wasson; James
Wittke; Roger Warin; Ken Newton; Stuart McDaniel; Dr. Michael Zolensky; Dr.
Timothy McCoy; Maria Haas; Anne Black; Carl Agee; Chris A. Peterson; Dr.
Alex Ruzicka; Tim Stout; Galactic Stone & Ironworks; kevin.righter-1; Rainer
Newberry; Ted Bunch; onther...@usairborne.com; Moto Ito; Tomasz Jakubowski;
Ian A. Franchi; Zeus Crankypants; Catherine (Cari) Corrigan; Matthew
Benjamin; lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
Subject: High Noon!

Hi Boys & Girls; You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of
years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity, defaming
my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of yourselves!
I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of tolerance for your
highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical behavior, but, I will not
tolerate your abuse of my family, friends, and business colleagues. YOU
HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!!
As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above & beyond
reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own
policies. Each & every member of this organization needs to hang their
heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to engage,
support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership.
This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this abhorrent
behavior. I trust, that there are many members of high integrity, honesty,
sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences surrounding meteoritics. To
those members, I ask that you take a stand against those members, who have
treated this organization with such selfish disdain, and disregard of its
charter.

IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my use
of the term, "NWA 5000," in comparing our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic
Breccia" meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from a Moroccan
dealer. Mr. Hupe seems to think the "NWA 5000" is, somehow, a title
deserving of a Trademark! For starters, "Northwest Africa" is by
geographical location & description, in "Public Domain!" "5000" is merely
an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. It, too, is considered
"Public Domain!" The US Trademark Office would, simply, laugh at Mr. Hupe's
submission. It would not get any more embarrassing for Mr. Hupe, than this!

If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once and for
all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any substitutions,
alterations, or changes, to this challenge. You can, also, trust, that this
challenge this will be fair, and without bias, or prejudice. Unlike you
folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair, and honestly! You can trust,
too, that the stakes are extremely high!

Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, "HIGH NOON IN WESTERN
COLORADO!"..Even though, this dual will be held in the evening.
I am giving a meteorite lecture & seminar at the Delta County Library,
on September 20, 2011, @ 6:00pm. If Mr. Hupe can trust his fellow IMCA
member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample of the "NWA 5000"
to Mr. Reed. Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this lecture, armed with his
new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. I, too, will show up with our
XRF hand-held analyzer, which will be operated by an experienced geologist
from Western Colorado.
Mr. Reed, and our geologist, will conduct XRF analysis on both the "NWA
5000," and our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia." Both stones will be
analyzed using the "Precious Metal Mode," and the "Prospector Mode,

[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names

[dorifry]

"Mike", I'm sorry "Ur" not enjoying this thread. I "Hope" you can lighten up 
and "Bustee" gut laughing.  I think Carl "Sagan" would enjoy it. I know it's 
a "Donnybrook" but I'm about to "Rolla" on the floor and laugh.


Sorry I can't help myself, it's a holiday weekend.

Phil Whitmer

---

I sure wish there was the interest in the actual meteorites recovered or 
announced this month, a new pallasite and two recovered falls. Hardly the 
interest in the actual meteorites that there is in this stupid thread.

Mike


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[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names

[dorifry]

"Mayday", "Mayday",  "Menow'"  "Needmore" meteorites. I'll sail my "Skiff" 
down the "Little River" at "Dawn" and pay a "Ransom" in "Loot" if I have to. 
I "Felt" it's  an "Enigma", but I "Grant" you, the "Navajo" "Old Woman" 
named "Dora" "Rosario" likes to read "Thoreau" and "Ulysses" while viewing 
Ed "Hopper", "Toulouse" Latrec and "Vincent" Van Gogh watercolors at her 
"Social Circle".  I'll ride my "Bronco" named "Pep" with a "Silver Bell" or 
"Bells" on, to the "Rodeo", stopping only to "Pooposo" often. If you want to 
fight about it, meet me under the "Oak" "Lone Tree" on the "Round Top" of 
"Duel Hill" or along "Gun Creek".  I'll bring my "Sharps" .50 caliber rifle 
to call your "Bluff". After my "Bath" in "Beaver Creek" we can kibbitz and 
kvetch about "Ybbsitz". I could go on forever like this, but I have to meet 
my old friend "Cocklebiddy" "Cockburn" out on "Rabbit Flat" by the "Crab 
Hole". We're going to sit on a  "Loop" "Blanket" and drink some "Modoc" or 
"Chateau Renard". After we break "Sleeper Camp" we're going to "Ski" down 
"Alan Hills" to the "Temple" to celebrate our "Success". Maybe we'll give 
"Sterling" Webb a call to discuss the "Delphi" "Credo". If it doesn't 
"Thunda" and lightning, we can look for the lost "Dingo Pup Donga". Or we 
could listen to some "Otis" day and the Knights while watching old episodes 
of "Chico" and the Man.


"Kybunga" surfer dudes!


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum 


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[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names

[dorifry]

Martin and Bill:

My 6 year old respectfully disagrees! She laughs at the Australian names 
like Milly Milly, Laundry Rockhole, and Kittakittaooloo. She also likes 
Fuzzy Creek, Elephant Moraine, Two Buttes, Belly River, Lumpkin, 
Cartoonkana, Bununu, and Muleshoe.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum




Hello Bill and list member,

"I don't see how any are actually silly." (Bill)

I agree with you, Bill!

I do love the "amount of flair" in international meteorite names.

It reflects the global variety of the 'meteorite world' we
list members do actually live in.

Maybe we should rather talk about the most inspiring
or inspired names.

Or invent, for fun, new additional and inofficial names
(depending on structure of matrix, crust or shape of the meteorite etc.) for 
the

somehow 'austere' NWA numbers.

Just an idea.

Best wishes to all of you

Martin 


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[meteorite-list] Silly-sounding Meteorite Names

[dorifry]

Mike:

The answer to your question is "Answer" (Australia). If that "Angers" 
(France) you, then "Fukue" (Japan) and the Fukang horse you rode in on! I 
like my meteorites smothered in "Los Sauces" (Argentina, 997kg) and 
garnished with a Mu Onion alusta. But my favorite silly meteorite name is: 
"Un-named" (Australia).


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum




Hi List,

In your opinion, what is the silliest meteorite name?

Git Git. (sounds like someone shoo'ing away a stray dog)

Camel Donga, Billy Goat Donga (and all Dongas for that matter!)

I am sure there are many more that I am forgetting at the moment.

Anyone?

Best regards,

MikeG


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[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - a paper on its manufacture

[dorifry]

Francis:

Great idea! Maybe the Meteorite Men have enough melted pallasite iron (minus 
the olivine and peridot inclusions), laying around to cast into a Ford 
engine block. I would suggest a 289 dropped into an early model Ford/Mercury 
Meteor.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum


Dear List,
The interesting thing about this is the reverse: that a Ford Fairlane engine 
block could conceivably be made from pallasitic meteoric iron, processed 
with the olivine phenocrysts removed. What a custom car that would be at the 
next classic car outing! Of course, if you have to ask how much, you can't 
afford it.


Francis Graham


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[meteorite-list] Possible Irish Meteorites 8.23.11

[dorifry]

This just in:

http://www.irishweatheronline.com/news/space/meteorite/meteorites-possible-from-irish-fireball/33267.html

Meteorites Possible From Irish Fireball
By Mark Dunphy - Tue Aug 23, 1:28 pm

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A fireball, similar to the one pictured, was observed over Irish skies on 23 
August 2011


Astronomy Ireland (AI) has confirmed that a fireball meteor entered the 
atmosphere above Ireland in the early hours of Tuesday morning (23 August 
2011).



The organisation added that meteor fragments are likely to have reached the 
surface but it remains unclear at this stage if the impact occurred overland 
or in the Atlantic Ocean.


Astronomy Ireland says it has already received dozens of reports of a bright 
fireball shooting across Irish skies at approximately 12:15 AM on Tuesday. 
60-70% of reports received came from the Greater Dublin area with other 
reports being received from Tipperary, Meath, Cork, Mayo and Kerry.


Initial reports suggest the fireball moved westward in a line from north 
Dublin to south Mayo, meaning anyone living to the north of this line would 
have observed the fireball to the south and vice versa for those living 
south of the Midlands.


Only two meteorites have been successfully retrieved on the island of 
Ireland since the beginning of the 20th century. A meteorite was recovered 
in Northern Ireland in 1969, while in November 1999 a meteorite fall in 
County Carlow earned a local woman almost ?15,000 when she recovered four 
egg-sized pieces.  Fragments were subsequently donated to the National 
History Museum in London and Trinity College Dublin.


According to AI's Conor Farrell: "There is high confidence that this meteor 
produced meteorites. If the fireball was brighter than the Full Moon, as has 
been reported by many people today, then it is well worth looking for a 
meteorite (the part that survives the fall to Earth). However, it remains 
unclear whether they impacted overland or in the sea. Even if the main body 
of the meteorite crashed into the sea, smaller pieces could have fallen 
earlier on land", explained.


He added: "We would appeal to anyone who may have captured the fireball on 
video or camera to visit our website as soon as possible. We would also ask 
anyone who operates a CCTV system to review video from around 12:15am this 
morning."


Mr. Farrell said that average meteor is no bigger than a grain of sand. He 
continued: "When it collides with the Earth the closing speed can be of the 
order of 100,000mph and the friction with the thin air 100 miles above the 
ground quickly heats the tiny particle until it vapourises in a fiery streak 
which we call a shooting star and that typically only lasts one second or 
so."


"Most meteors are caused by small particles of dust that were left behind by 
comets. The brighter meteors come from larger particles. Fireballs are 
probably caused by objects the size of a pea, and larger. Comets leave very 
few large particles behind them so most fireballs probably come from pieces 
smashed off asteroids as the result of something (probably another asteroid) 
colliding with an asteroid, probably millions of years ago. Most asteroids 
orbit the Sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter i.e. between 2 and 4 
times the Earth's distance from the Sun. Compared to planets, most asteroids 
are small (only a handful are bigger than 100 miles across) but they are 
rocky and some have metal cores", he concluded.


To report a Fireball or submit images/video visit the Astronomy Ireland 
website.


Notable European Meteorite Finds

The Cape York meteorite was found in Savissivik, Greenland, and is one of 
the world's largest iron meteorites.


Elbogen - The oldest recorded meteorite in the Czech Republic, also known as 
the "betwitched burgrave".


Hrascina meteorite - Croatian meteorite first speculated as originating from 
outer space.


Orgueil is a scientifically important carbonaceous chondrite meteorite that 
fell in SW France in 1864


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Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

"I don't like being around kangaroos, they make me jumpy!"

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[meteorite-list] NASA Issues Ohio Meteorite Alert

[dorifry]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/18/fireball-leads-to-midwest-meteorite-alert-nasa-warns/



Fireball Leads to Midwest Meteorite Alert, NASA Warns



Ohio residents should be on the lookout for potential small meteorites that 
may have been created by a bright fireball that streaked over southern 
Ontario, Canada, last week, NASA said.
The fireball was detected by all-sky cameras from the Southern Ontario 
Meteor Network at 1:22 a.m. EDT (0522 GMT) on Aug. 8.
"It was picked up over Lake Erie and proceeded south-southeast over Ohio," 
said Bill Cooke, head of NASA's Meteoroid Environments Office at the 
Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.
The meteor was last tracked north of Gustavus, Ohio, and the potential 
impact zone for meteorite fragments is a region east of Cleveland, Cooke 
told SPACE.com.
When would-be meteors are traveling through space, they are known as 
meteoroids to astronomers. When they enter Earth's atmosphere to create 
fireballs, they are called meteors. Only fragments that actually reach 
Earth's surface are called meteorites.
"We look for ones that are moving low and slow, ones that penetrate deep 
into the atmosphere," Cooke said. "Normally meteors burn up 40 to 50 miles 
(about 65 to 80 kilometers) over your head. This one got down to 38 km (24 
miles) before we lost track of it, and we know it went lower."
When a meteor penetrates low into the atmosphere and moves relatively slow, 
it can create meteorites that fall to the ground, Cooke explained. The 
fireball seen last week slowed to approximately 25,200 mph (40,555 kph).
And while skywatchers around the world enjoyed spectacular views of the 
annual Perseid meteor shower last week, Cooke clarified that this fireball 
is definitely not a Perseid because it is moving too slowly.
Based on the fireball's brightness and radar observations, the meteor's mass 
is estimated to be in the range of 22 pounds (10 kilograms). This means that 
meteorite fragments will likely be pretty small, Cooke said.
"Something the size of your thumbnail, maybe a bit bigger," he said, 
estimating that any rocks found would probably be about three ounces 
(roughly 100 grams) and measure about one to two inches (2.5 to 5 cm) 
across.
For meteorite hunters in the area, or for anyone who fortuitously stumbles 
across any pieces of space rock, Cooke wants to know about it, and people 
are encouraged to contact NASA's Meteoroid Environments Office if they find 
any fragments.
But, the meteorite expert cautions that there are strict rules governing the 
ownership of space rocks that fall from the sky.
"One thing you need to know is that meteorites belong to the property 
holder, the owner of the property on which they land," he said. "So, if 
you're looking for them on someone's property, be sure you talk to them and 
get their permission first. If you're looking for meteorites, respect the 
wishes and rights of all property owners."

 *   Fallen Stars: A Gallery of Famous Meteorites
 *   Spectacular Perseid Meteor Shower Photos of 201L1
 *   Top 10 Perseid Meteor Shower Facts
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Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum 


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[meteorite-list] Man To Trade Found Meteorite For Harley D

[dorifry]

I like the part where the meteorite "charged" the magnet. I know when my 
magnets start to run low, I often recharge them with meteorites. Batteries 
too! (LOL!)



Oh, the stories they tell!


Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] More evidence of building blocks of DNA in meteorites

[dorifry]

Hello fellow Listerians:

It's hype, just like the sketchy arsenic-based life forms and the imaginary 
Martian fossils. First off when you say DNA, most people think of a biotic 
double helix just like we have in the nuclei of our cells.  Components of 
DNA is an entirely different thing, like maybe a little bit of a rung from 
the DNA ladder. And the same nucleobases plus some hypoxanthine and xanthine 
were found in the surrounding ice and soil samples near the other 
meteorites. Sounds a lot like terrestrial contamination. Maybe the analog 
compounds were present or created at impact,  but it sure sounds like the 
other stuff seeped in while the meteorites lay there for how long? I mean 
c'mon the exact same compounds? What are the chances of that? They've got to 
stop crying wolf all the time, it's getting old.


Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[dorifry]

Hey, that's my space ball auction! I've seen several sites like this that 
publish auction results, usually after the auctions end.



Phil Whitmer

Joshua Tree Imports 


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[meteorite-list] google checkout declare themselves the meteorite police

[dorifry]

Jim,

More likely, they've bought into the recent hype and negative publicity 
about the meteorite  "black market."  They have to stay politically correct!


Erin go bragh,

Phil Whitmer

--
May be interest to any who are considering using google checkout-it
does seem like the public prefer to use them over paypal in my
experience but I just got this email

"Hello,

During our recent review, we found that the products or services on
your
website appear to violate the following Google Checkout content
policies:

- Unacceptable product category: Protected Cultural Items & Artifacts

As a result, your account has been suspended. You may not process any
orders at this time. If applicable, any pending orders in your account
have been canceled."

it could be that they just don't like my unfinished and poorly ranked
website and I couldn't really blame them for that as it's something
that isn't a great priority for me at the minute.
I wrote and asked them to be more specific and they have ignored me.

Be Nice!

Jim Brady
IMCA 2424

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Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

[dorifry]

Great idea! They could call the episode "Two-Fisted Adventures of the 
Meteorite Men."


Phil Whitmer
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.



A Meteorite Men! (tm) Episode Treatment

Cast: The MM, natch, the Count's unfortunate visitors - Naifina and her 
family - and the Count himself in a Hitchcock-like walk-through cameo.


The show starts with the Snidley Whiplash guy offering to trade his 
fabulously valuable "meteorites" for all of the Naifina's worldly 
possessions, miserable as they are. His silver tongue has visions of the 
high life dancing through her head. Just as the deal is about to close, we 
hear in the distance the roar of a powerful motorcycle and, in a trice, in 
burst the Meteorite Men! (tm). Steve shouts "Stand aside! We're 
professionals!!" as Snidley is vanquished by a single blow from Geoff's 
black-gloved fist. Naifina and her family are saved from economic ruin!!!


For the next 40 minutes, Naifina and the viewing public are smartened up 
about getting-rich-quick in the world of meteorites. Lava! Slag! Ebay 
crooks! Money-centric meteorite shows! (oops) Why Greed is one of the 
Seven Deadly Sins!


The Meteorite Men! (tm) leap aboard their trusty Meteorite Motorcycle and 
zoom off into the sunset, which features a stunning bolide drawing the 
Meteorite Men! (tm) onward. One of them is heard to say "Peeps, don't try 
this at home!" while the other crys "If it was *that* easy, everyone would 
be doing it!!"


Fade to black.

Paul Swartz

"Never smarten up a chump."  W.C. Fields




Bob said "perhaps we could suggest an episode..".

Outstanding idea! I believe the producers could jazz it up enough to make 
it a popular segment. It would also do a lot to shut down criticism of 
the boys and their exploits.



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[meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

[dorifry]

Count:

There's nothing you can do for the poor suckers. There's a chump born every 
minute. You can't blame people's stupidity on a TV show. People were dumb 
way before they had television. Stupidity is genetic, it has nothing to do 
with TV. Can you blame "Antiques Roadshow" for the dummie that traded his 
house for a phony Stradivarius because he saw an episode about how much 
Strads were worth? I don't think so. If you're born dumb, you can take steps 
to improve  your intelligence. If you choose not to, you must suffer the 
consequences. Just don't say the TV made me do it.


Phil Whitmer
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From: "Count Deiro" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:48 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.



Hello to all,

May I share an experience I had yesterday afternoon that saddened me and 
left me questioning the merits of sensationalizing the trade in 
meteorites.


I recently began inserting a free  announcement in a nationally read 
online list stating simply that "I BUY METEORITES". Included in the 
announcement are some simple qualifying tests that I hope will weed out 
most of the "wrongs". I advise that if it turns out that you have a 
meteorite I will charge you $25.00 for the initial examination and I will 
help you get it confirmed and classified if you wish. If the find is 
terrestrial I will not charge any fee and I will suggest you get a second 
opinion.


Well, this has worked out pretty well. I've had a half dozen calls in the 
last six weeks and several of those have resulted in "finds". One 
particular 100 gram individual has already been classified as a rare type 
and I was able to secure a nice slice for my collection.


Then this happened. I received a call from a young woman who said she was 
in a neighboring State and had traded all she had for over a hundred 
pounds of "irons" and wanted to know how much were they "going for". She 
used a few meteoritical terms to proudly describe her acquisitions, but I 
could tell she had gotten whatever she had learned from whatever source a 
bit wrong. She talked fast and excitedly saying her meteorites were 
"really heavy and magnetic". She insisted she had studied and knew they 
were meteorites. All of them.


She went on to say that she had sold her fifth wheel trailer in Quartsite, 
Arizona and the man who bought it was a "rock dealer" and had suggested 
she trade everything in the travel trailer for these "meteorites". She now 
wanted to cash in and would I be interested. She said she would meet me in 
a few days, but low and behold she arrived the next afternoon.


Now picture this. It was 112 degrees when she and her husband and five 
kids, ages three months to thirteen, arrive in a beat up Chevy truck with 
all their possessions stacked up in the back. And no air conditioning. 
After I dispensed bottles of water and got the tribe into the shade, she 
excitedly announced let's look at the meteorites and ordered her quiet and 
unassuming husband to lug the boxes and briefcases out from under the 
stroller and baby food into my garage.


The instant the first of the samples were lovingly laid out on my bench it 
was apparent to me they were terrestrial rocks. She had at least fifty 
pounds of "slag" and even large and small chunks of basalt and sandstone. 
She picked up the rocks one after the other for me to admire while all the 
while chattering inanely about how they were "stony iron" or "irons" and 
pointing out features to prove her identification and get me interested.


I finally stopped her selling pitch by recommending we cut a few. I cut a 
dozen of the best prospects which all turned out to be terrestrial. I 
decided I would have to tell her as tactfully as I could. I went and 
selected some "rights" and "wrongs" from my collection and proceeded to 
teach a little meteorite identification 101. It didn't take long for her 
to realize that she didn't have any meteorites.


I told her how sorry I was, and that I wanted her to have meteorites, and 
would have been pleased to do business with her. But it unfortunately 
wasn't the case. She and her husband looked stricken. She said " I gave 
everything we had." I mentioned that she should not take my opinion and 
get a second opinion. I suggested some other collectors and dealers. I 
also gave her the URLs for a couple illustrated meteor identification 
sites.


After we had loaded the rocks back in the bed of the pickup I asked how 
she had become aware of the desirability of meteorites and where did she 
get her "off the wall" ideas of their value. She said she had watched most 
of the episodes of "Meteorite Men".


This little drama says somethingI have my own opinionanyone else 
like to opine?


Count Deiro
IMCA 3536  MetSoc







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[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Tunguska Event

[dorifry]

Happy Birthday to one of the biggest blammers ever! Tunguska!



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