Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Hello John, Ha ha ha Need more help, how do you spell M&M's Gary, waiting in earnest for my NWA 6575, aloha. John - Original Message - From: "John.L.Cabassi" To: "'Meteorite List'" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science - Houston ... we have a problem. - Copy ISS - Houston ... We have too much spare time - Copy ISS. Open compartment 2 - Copy Houston. Waiting instructions - ISS ... You will find 5 pounds of M&Ms. First we'd like a percentage on colors. Second, we'd like a percentage on rejects Thirdly, we'd like a percentage on individual weights - Copy Houston. Anything else? - ISS ... Just one thing. Ignore Einstein and the Met List And we need an update on Apophis - Copy Houston. Over and out. - ISS .. Have a good evening. Oops! For those aussies out there, we're talking about smarties. Cheers Mates! John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
- Houston ... we have a problem. - Copy ISS - Houston ... We have too much spare time - Copy ISS. Open compartment 2 - Copy Houston. Waiting instructions - ISS ... You will find 5 pounds of M&Ms. First we'd like a percentage on colors. Second, we'd like a percentage on rejects Thirdly, we'd like a percentage on individual weights - Copy Houston. Anything else? - ISS ... Just one thing. Ignore Einstein and the Met List And we need an update on Apophis - Copy Houston. Over and out. - ISS .. Have a good evening. Oops! For those aussies out there, we're talking about smarties. Cheers Mates! John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Michael, Need help; what's a meeteaeorr'ite John - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "James Sleep" ; "'Bob King'" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science This is the meteorite list. It is for discussions about METEORITES. Michael On 3/3/11 4:18 PM, "James Sleep" wrote: The fatal flaw in both the teacher's that you have to see, hear or touch something for it to be real. If that were true, then World War I may never have happened because I wasn't there. The laws of quantum mechanics and entropy allow that to be true.James __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig" Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
This is the meteorite list. It is for discussions about METEORITES. Michael On 3/3/11 4:18 PM, "James Sleep" wrote: > The fatal flaw in both the > teacher's that you have to see, hear or > touch something for it to be real. If that were true, then World War I > may never have happened because I wasn't there. > > The laws of quantum mechanics and entropy allow that to be > true.James > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig" Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
The fatal flaw in both the teacher's that you have to see, hear or touch something for it to be real. If that were true, then World War I may never have happened because I wasn't there. The laws of quantum mechanics and entropy allow that to be true.James __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
-Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:39 AM To: Pete Pete; meteoritelist meteoritelist; Rose, David MD Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science Okay, So how does the lesson change because it was written by somebody else? Are the facts wrong? Maybe it was written by Joe Blow? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax . Hi all, sorry that my first post to this group is off topic so to speakbut I had to comment. I will keep it short and not create a long drawn-out logical argument. While there may be one, I don't know a philosophy professor that would claim cold or darkness is a real, substantive reality. That is philosophy 101.. The claim that evil is a substantive reality is a claim created by religion and is supported by Christians. In fact they name it and claim they can be possessed by it. So to Christians evil is a very real and substantial thing. There is a father of the church (St. Augustine Roman Catholic) who argued that evil is the absence of God, but that is a position Christians do not really accept. It is not used as an argument to the problem of evil. Science does not claim that God does not exist. In fact, science cannot and does not deal with that question at all as it has no empirical data to work with. The word "Faith" is problematic but all it means is if you have faith in something then you believe that something even though you don't have proof or evidence of its reality, and/or in spite of proof or evidence against its reality. The student asked about thoughts and one's brain and evolution. We can use evidence in the form of logical, mechanical, and physical data to support that the teacher has a brain and that thoughts are at least related to chemical and electrical actions, and that there is plenty of reasons to believe in evolution. It is all about evidence. People locked into a religious state of mind are kind of stuck. They cannot view the world with a clear head. Everything will be seen in light of their belief system. Not only is it difficult to see beyond their belief system, there is a warning that they will go to hell if they try. So it is almost impossible to pull them out. Just look at the Islamic group that ran planes into the twin towers or the Taliban who blew up the ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, or even the destruction of the Mayan Codices by Spanish Monks. Einstein had a terrible problem that shows the difficulty of escaping a belief system. Despite all his brain power when his notions about God conflicted with his theory, he gave up his theory. He could not accept the notion of a probability function. Probably most of you have heard that Einstein said something about the idea that God does not throw dice. He was referring to quantum theory which required a probability function due to the apparently random quantum flux that occurs at the microcosmic level of the universe. I have to address the issue of believing things we don't know. We all do that. I believe in certain theorems even though I never did the proofs. I believe certain men of learning and what they say about the universe. I believe the road will continue on the other side of the hill. Now the student may say I have faith in them, but I say no. I merely believe them because they may be wrongthat is the difference between faith and belief. James Sleep "Rose wrote: > Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered. > David > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM > To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: > > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > > > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > > Just food for thought. > > > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > > > > "Let me explain the problem science
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Einstein suffered from tonsurphobia... Don't forget he was also a Sweatshirtphiliac. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science SNOPES? What proves that SNOPES is true? -Richard Montgomery Snopes is an unquestionable arbiter of the truth, much like Wikipedia, the Amazing Randi and the Urban Dictionary. - I heard that Einstein suffered from tonsurphobia, the abnormal fear of haircuts, Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
SNOPES? What proves that SNOPES is true? -Richard Montgomery Snopes is an unquestionable arbiter of the truth, much like Wikipedia, the Amazing Randi and the Urban Dictionary. - I heard that Einstein suffered from tonsurphobia, the abnormal fear of haircuts, Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Hello Pete Lister, Your very controversial on the List today Pete :) JK. Now I wonder, if Alber Einstein collected meteorites what would he own first Sikhote - Alin? I bet he would want something more with proof and I think he would like LAigle meteorite fall in his collection. :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science GREG LINDH geeg48 at msn.com Thu Mar 3 14:33:33 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science Next message: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Who penned this article is irrelevant. A lot of attention here on the List has been spent on Einstein's religious beliefs and whether he wrote the article. Who cares? It's easy to go off on tangents in order to avoid the 800 lbs gorilla in the room. The article has flaws, I'm sure, but it raises some interesting points. It makes people think *outside of the box*, as it were. I think that was it's purpose. Greg L. > From: DRose at emersonhosp.org > To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com; cdtucson at cox.net; meteorite-list at > meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:19:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered. > David > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete > Pete > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM > To: cdtucson at cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: > > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > > > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > > From: cdtucson at cox.net > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > > Just food for thought. > > > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > > > > "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > > > > > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks > > > one of his new students to stand. > > > > > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > > > > > 'So you believe in God?' > > > > > > 'Absolutely ' > > > > > > 'Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > > > > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > > > > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > > > > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a > > > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here > > > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > > > > > 'So you're good...!' > > > > > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > > > > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > > > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > > > > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, > > > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he > > > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that > > > one?' > > > > > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. > > > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time > > &
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Who penned this article is irrelevant. A lot of attention here on the List has been spent on Einstein's religious beliefs and whether he wrote the article. Who cares? It's easy to go off on tangents in order to avoid the 800 lbs gorilla in the room.The article has flaws, I'm sure, but it raises some interesting points. It makes people think *outside of the box*, as it were. I think that was it's purpose. Greg L. > From: dr...@emersonhosp.org > To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:19:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered. > David > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM > To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: > > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > > > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > > Just food for thought. > > > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > > > > "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > > > > > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks > > > one of his new students to stand. > > > > > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > > > > > 'So you believe in God?' > > > > > > 'Absolutely ' > > > > > > 'Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > > > > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > > > > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > > > > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a > > > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here > > > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > > > > > 'So you're good...!' > > > > > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > > > > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > > > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > > > > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, > > > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he > > > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that > > > one?' > > > > > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. > > > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time > > > to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > > > > > 'Is Satan good?' > > > > > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > > > > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > > > > > The student falters. 'From God' > > > > > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > > > this world?' > > > > > > 'Yes, sir.' > > > > > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'So w
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Who penned this article is irrelevant. A lot of attention here on the List has been spent on Einstein's religious beliefs and whether he wrote the article. Who cares? It's easy to go off on tangents in order to avoid the 800 lbs gorilla in the room. The article has flaws, I'm sure, but it raises some interesting points. It makes people think *outside of the box*, as it were. I think that was it's purpose. Greg L. > From: dr...@emersonhosp.org > To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:19:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered. > David > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM > To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: > > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > > > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > > Just food for thought. > > > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > > > > "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > > > > > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks > > > one of his new students to stand. > > > > > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > > > > > 'So you believe in God?' > > > > > > 'Absolutely ' > > > > > > 'Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > > > > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > > > > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > > > > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a > > > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here > > > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > > > > > 'So you're good...!' > > > > > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > > > > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > > > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > > > > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, > > > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he > > > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that > > > one?' > > > > > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. > > > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time > > > to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > > > > > 'Is Satan good?' > > > > > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > > > > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > > > > > The student falters. 'From God' > > > > > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > > > this world?' > > > > > > 'Yes, sir.' > > > > > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'So who created evil?' The pro
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Hi Phil, No one suggested you had an agenda. Your introduction of Einstein as a "Deist who attended Catholic School" simply seemed to require a clarification. You also seem to have paid no heed to the differentiation I provided for your consideration. > In contemporary Judaism, there is a big difference between "religious" and > "observant." For any folks that are interested, there is a great deal of documentation which amply reveals how Einstein acknowledged his jewishness in ways that transcended ethnicity and culture. And Phil, one does not have to keep kosher and attend synogogue to be selectively observant. There is an entire branch of Judaism borne from the reform movement referred to Humanistic Judaism which is basically atheism combined with an "observance" of Jewish holidays. But really, enough of this. OY On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:46 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > I have no agenda other than seeking out correct biographical information > about Einstein's religious beliefs. It's misinformation to state that > Einstein was even selectively observant. He was a cultural and ethnic Jew, > not a religious one. He believed in Spinoza's concept of god as the > organizing principle behind the laws of the universe. > > In response to the direct question: "Do you believe in God?" posed by Rabbi > Herbert S. Goldstein in a telegram, Einstein replied: "I believe in Spinoza's > God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in > a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." > > You can't just say Einstein was an observant Jew without some evidence to > back it up. What selective kosher laws and observances did Albert keep? Where > did he attend synagogue? Show me one quote where he states selective belief > in traditional Jewish tenets. > > -- > Phil Whitmer > - > > > I am not going to debate this; for sadly obvious reasons, there exists a > bounty of agenda-bent mis- and disinformation---which now includes my > previous statement: I should have more circumspectly indicated Einstein was > "selectively observant." > > In contemporary Judaism, there is a big difference between "religious" and > "observant." But enough of this. All best / Darryl > > > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:52 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > > >> To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was >> born to into a non-religious Jewish family and as an extremely young child >> attended Catholic School for a couple of years; throughout his life Einstein >> was an observant Jew. > >> > >> > >> That's not true, Einstein was a non-observant Jew throughout his life, like >> his parents. He only kept kosher and attended synagogue for a short time in >> his youth. He gave up belief in the religious tenets of Judaism at age 12 >> just before his bar mitzvah. > >> --- > >> Shortly after his 50th birthday, Einstein declares he's not a religious Jew >> in an interview with George Sylvester Viereck: > >> "I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free >> will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In >> that respect I am not a Jew." > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
I have no agenda other than seeking out correct biographical information about Einstein's religious beliefs. It's misinformation to state that Einstein was even selectively observant. He was a cultural and ethnic Jew, not a religious one. He believed in Spinoza's concept of god as the organizing principle behind the laws of the universe. In response to the direct question: "Do you believe in God?" posed by Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein in a telegram, Einstein replied: "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." You can't just say Einstein was an observant Jew without some evidence to back it up. What selective kosher laws and observances did Albert keep? Where did he attend synagogue? Show me one quote where he states selective belief in traditional Jewish tenets. -- Phil Whitmer - I am not going to debate this; for sadly obvious reasons, there exists a bounty of agenda-bent mis- and disinformation---which now includes my previous statement: I should have more circumspectly indicated Einstein was "selectively observant." In contemporary Judaism, there is a big difference between "religious" and "observant." But enough of this. All best / Darryl On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:52 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was born to into a non-religious Jewish family and as an extremely young child attended Catholic School for a couple of years; throughout his life Einstein was an observant Jew. That's not true, Einstein was a non-observant Jew throughout his life, like his parents. He only kept kosher and attended synagogue for a short time in his youth. He gave up belief in the religious tenets of Judaism at age 12 just before his bar mitzvah. --- Shortly after his 50th birthday, Einstein declares he's not a religious Jew in an interview with George Sylvester Viereck: "I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In that respect I am not a Jew." __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:24:34 -0800, you wrote: >SNOPES? What proves that SNOPES is true? > http://xkcd.com/250/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I am not going to debate this; for sadly obvious reasons, there exists a bounty of agenda-bent mis- and disinformation---which now includes my previous statement: I should have more circumspectly indicated Einstein was "selectively observant." In contemporary Judaism, there is a big difference between "religious" and "observant." But enough of this. All best / Darryl On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:52 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was > born to into a non-religious Jewish family and as an extremely young child > attended Catholic School for a couple of years; throughout his life Einstein > was an observant Jew. > > > That's not true, Einstein was a non-observant Jew throughout his life, like > his parents. He only kept kosher and attended synagogue for a short time in > his youth. He gave up belief in the religious tenets of Judaism at age 12 > just before his bar mitzvah. > --- > Shortly after his 50th birthday, Einstein declares he's not a religious Jew > in an interview with George Sylvester Viereck: > "I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free > will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In > that respect I am not a Jew." > > Read more: > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-2,00.html#ixzz1FYXWD1AD > > -- > Phil Whitmer > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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SNOPES? What proves that SNOPES is true? -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Pete Pete" To: ; "meteoritelist meteoritelist" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science I thought this was interesting enough to share here; Just food for thought. > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > “Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then > asks one of his new students to stand. > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > 'So you believe in God?' > > 'Absolutely ' > > 'Is God good?' > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > 'Yes' > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > 'So you're good...!' > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that > one?' > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor > says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the > student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > 'Is Satan good?' > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > The student falters. 'From God' > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > this world?' > > 'Yes, sir.' > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > 'Yes' > > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created > everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to > the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.' > > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? > Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this > world?' > > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.' > > 'So who created them ?' > > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his > question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the > lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is > mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you > believe in Jesus Christ, son?' > > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.' > > The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?' > > 'No sir. I've never seen Him.' > > 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?' > > 'No, sir, I have not.' > > 'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? > Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for > that matter?' > > 'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.' > > 'Yet you still believe in him?' > > 'Yes' > > 'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, > science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?' >
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
And I always thought, Einstein believed in Spinoza... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was born to into a non-religious Jewish family and as an extremely young child attended Catholic School for a couple of years; throughout his life Einstein was an observant Jew. That's not true, Einstein was a non-observant Jew throughout his life, like his parents. He only kept kosher and attended synagogue for a short time in his youth. He gave up belief in the religious tenets of Judaism at age 12 just before his bar mitzvah. --- Shortly after his 50th birthday, Einstein declares he's not a religious Jew in an interview with George Sylvester Viereck: "I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In that respect I am not a Jew." Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-2,00.html#ixzz1FYXWD1AD -- Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Personally I liked the thread about the meteorite hunters on Mars a whole lot more! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Pete Pete Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM To: cdtuc...@cox.net ; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science I thought this was interesting enough to share here; Just food for thought. > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > “Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then > asks one of his new students to stand. > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > 'So you believe in God?' > > 'Absolutely ' > > 'Is God good?' > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > 'Yes' > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > 'So you're good...!' > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that > one?' > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor > says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the > student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > 'Is Satan good?' > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > The student falters. 'From God' > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > this world?' > > 'Yes, sir.' > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > 'Yes' > > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created > everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to > the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.' > > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? > Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this > world?' > > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.' > > 'So who created them ?' > > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his > question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the > lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is > mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you > believe in Jesus Christ, son?' > > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.' > > The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?' > > 'No sir. I've never seen Him.' > > 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?' > > 'No, sir, I have not.' > > 'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? > Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for > that matter?' > > 'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.' > > 'Yet you still believe in him?' > > 'Yes' > > 'According to
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was born to into a non-religious Jewish family and as an extremely young child attended Catholic School for a couple of years; throughout his life Einstein was an observant Jew. On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:12 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > Einstein was a Deist who went to Catholic School. > > One particular evening in 1929, the year he turned 50, captures Einstein's > middle-age deistic faith. He and his wife were at a dinner party in Berlin > when a guest expressed a belief in astrology. Einstein ridiculed the notion > as pure superstition. Another guest stepped in and similarly disparaged > religion. Belief in God, he insisted, was likewise a superstition. > > At this point the host tried to silence him by invoking the fact that even > Einstein harbored religious beliefs. "It isn't possible!" the skeptical guest > said, turning to Einstein to ask if he was, in fact, religious. "Yes, you can > call it that," Einstein replied calmly. "Try and penetrate with our limited > means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the > discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible > and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can > comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in fact, religious." > > > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-2,00.html > > > ___ > Phil Whitmer > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:38:32 -0500, you wrote: >Okay, So how does the lesson change because it was written by somebody else? >Are the facts wrong? Maybe it was written by Joe Blow? http://www.indianskeptic.com/chain-mail-god-vs-science/ http://www.rationalresponders.com/debunking_an_urban_legend_evil_is_a_lack_of_something __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
Einstein was a Deist who went to Catholic School. One particular evening in 1929, the year he turned 50, captures Einstein's middle-age deistic faith. He and his wife were at a dinner party in Berlin when a guest expressed a belief in astrology. Einstein ridiculed the notion as pure superstition. Another guest stepped in and similarly disparaged religion. Belief in God, he insisted, was likewise a superstition. At this point the host tried to silence him by invoking the fact that even Einstein harbored religious beliefs. "It isn't possible!" the skeptical guest said, turning to Einstein to ask if he was, in fact, religious. "Yes, you can call it that," Einstein replied calmly. "Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in fact, religious." http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-2,00.html ___ Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Here we go again! > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:48:52 -0600 > From: nightsk...@gmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > Hi everyone, > Realizing this list is supposed to be about meteorites, I'll quickly > duck in and out with this observation. The fatal flaw in both the > teacher's and student's arguments is that you have to see, hear or > touch something for it to be real. If that were true, then World War I > may never have happened because I wasn't there. > Bob > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:39 AM, George Blahun wrote: > > More food for thought. Einstein referred to the Bible as "childish". > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/science/17einsteinw.html > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi everyone, Realizing this list is supposed to be about meteorites, I'll quickly duck in and out with this observation. The fatal flaw in both the teacher's and student's arguments is that you have to see, hear or touch something for it to be real. If that were true, then World War I may never have happened because I wasn't there. Bob On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:39 AM, George Blahun wrote: > More food for thought. Einstein referred to the Bible as "childish". > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/science/17einsteinw.html > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered. David -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > Just food for thought. > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks > > one of his new students to stand. > > > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > > > 'So you believe in God?' > > > > 'Absolutely ' > > > > 'Is God good?' > > > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > > > 'Yes' > > > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. > > 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can > > cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > > > 'So you're good...!' > > > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does > > he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to > > Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?' > > > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. > > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time > > to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > > > 'Is Satan good?' > > > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > > > The student falters. 'From God' > > > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > > this world?' > > > > 'Yes, sir.' > > > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > > > 'Yes' > > > > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, > > then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle > > that our works define who we are, then God is evil.' > > > > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? > > Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?' > > > > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.' > > > > 'So who created them ?' > > > > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. > > 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks > > away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' > > he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?' > > > > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.' > > > > The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to > > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?' > > > > 'No sir. I've never seen Him.' > > >
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More food for thought. Einstein referred to the Bible as "childish". http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/science/17einsteinw.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Okay, So how does the lesson change because it was written by somebody else? Are the facts wrong? Maybe it was written by Joe Blow? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax "Rose wrote: > Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered. > David > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM > To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: > > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > > > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > > Just food for thought. > > > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > > > > "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > > > > > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks > > > one of his new students to stand. > > > > > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > > > > > 'So you believe in God?' > > > > > > 'Absolutely ' > > > > > > 'Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > > > > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > > > > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > > > > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a > > > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here > > > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > > > > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > > > > > 'So you're good...!' > > > > > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > > > > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > > > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > > > > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, > > > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he > > > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that > > > one?' > > > > > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. > > > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time > > > to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > > > > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > > > > > 'Is Satan good?' > > > > > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > > > > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > > > > > The student falters. 'From God' > > > > > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > > > this world?' > > > > > > 'Yes, sir.' > > > > > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > > > > > 'Yes' > > > > > > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created > > > everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to > > > the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.' > > > > > > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? > > > Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?' > > > > > > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.' > >
Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science > > > I thought this was interesting enough to share here; > Just food for thought. > > > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > > > > “Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks > > one of his new students to stand. > > > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > > > 'So you believe in God?' > > > > 'Absolutely ' > > > > 'Is God good?' > > > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > > > 'Yes' > > > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. > > 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can > > cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > > > 'So you're good...!' > > > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. > > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does > > he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to > > Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?' > > > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. > > He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time > > to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > > > 'Is Satan good?' > > > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > > > The student falters. 'From God' > > > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in > > this world?' > > > > 'Yes, sir.' > > > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > > > 'Yes' > > > > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, > > then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle > > that our works define who we are, then God is evil.' > > > > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? > > Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?' > > > > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.' > > > > 'So who created them ?' > > > > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. > > 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks > > away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' > > he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?' > > > > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.' > > > > The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to > > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?' > > > > 'No sir. I've never seen Him.' > > > > 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?' > > > > 'No, sir, I have not.' > > > > 'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have > > you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that > > matter?' > > > > 'No, sir, I'm afrai
[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
I thought this was interesting enough to share here; Just food for thought. > The professor and student are for real! > > > > > > > > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end. > > > “Let me explain the problem science has with religion." > > > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one > of his new students to stand. > > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?' > > 'Yes sir,' the student says. > > 'So you believe in God?' > > 'Absolutely ' > > 'Is God good?' > > 'Sure! God's good.' > > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?' > > 'Yes' > > 'Are you good or evil?' > > 'The Bible says I'm evil.' > > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. > 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can > cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?' > > 'Yes sir, I would.' > > 'So you're good...!' > > 'I wouldn't say that.' > > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most > of us would if we could. But God doesn't.' > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does > he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to > Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?' > > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He > takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to > relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?' > > 'Er..yes,' the student says. > > 'Is Satan good?' > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.' > > 'Then where does Satan come from?' > > The student falters. 'From God' > > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this > world?' > > 'Yes, sir.' > > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?' > > 'Yes' > > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, > then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that > our works define who we are, then God is evil.' > > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? > Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?' > > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.' > > 'So who created them ?' > > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. > 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks > away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' > he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?' > > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.' > > The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?' > > 'No sir. I've never seen Him.' > > 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?' > > 'No, sir, I have not.' > > 'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have > you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?' > > 'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.' > > 'Yet you still believe in him?' > > 'Yes' > > 'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, > science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?' > > 'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.' > > 'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has > with God. There is no evidence, only faith.' > > The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. > 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? ' > > ' Yes. > > 'And is there such a thing as cold?' > > 'Yes, son, there's cold too.' > > 'No sir, there isn't.' > > The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room > suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have > lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white > heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We > can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any > further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be > able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is > susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes > a body or matter have or transmit energy.. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the > total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe > the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal > units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the > absence of it.' > > Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding > like a hammer. > > 'What about dar
