Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Some iron fragments have been found from the area, but it`s hard to say, if they are from this bolide yet; FIRST NEWS ON METEORITE RECOVERY. The Spanish researcher Dr. Javier Garcia Guinea of the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Madrid and the Centro Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas (CSIC) has made the first analysis to a sample recovered by an individual from the falling area in the North of Palencia. The preliminary analysis seems to be POSITIVE being probably an Iron Meteorite that consist almost entirely of a nickel-iron metal alloy. In case of confirmation we are in the presence of a historic recovery because until this date not orbital information has been obtained on this kind of meteorites. In the next days we plan to extend this information in more detail. http://www.spmn.uji.es/ESP/nov38eng.html Have asked the coordinates of this found from the seller, lets see, if Ill have them, and if so, are they located in Spain or in Siberia...;- pekka s Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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PLEASE DON't MIX UP ALL EUROPEAN DEALERS. my 2 cents MICHEL FRANCO, HUNTER AND DEALER. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Yep, Michel, Paul, Mike, this was my point, when I cited Mike's remark. I'm a little dissapointed, because whenever I have a meteoritic question to this list, I recieve 0 - 3 answers, but if I steal a cookie from MikeMatteo's 5 o'clock-tea-table, I'll get 8 or 10. (btw anyone there for my mexican greenhorn, who he can ask in Tucson?) For both of them greetings from very Old Europe, hope this helps: ...Sed nunc quoque turpes Litibus exercent linguas pulsoque pudore, Quamvis sint sub aqua, sub aqua maledicere temptant. Vox quoque iam rauca est, inflataque colla tumescunt, Ipsaque dilatant patulos convicia rictus. Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michel Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? PLEASE DON't MIX UP ALL EUROPEAN DEALERS. my 2 cents MICHEL FRANCO, HUNTER AND DEALER. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Sorry Martin, I studied latin 40 years ago. I left it behind. Have you a translation in meteoritics !!! Best R. Michel - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? Yep, Michel, Paul, Mike, this was my point, when I cited Mike's remark. I'm a little dissapointed, because whenever I have a meteoritic question to this list, I recieve 0 - 3 answers, but if I steal a cookie from MikeMatteo's 5 o'clock-tea-table, I'll get 8 or 10. (btw anyone there for my mexican greenhorn, who he can ask in Tucson?) For both of them greetings from very Old Europe, hope this helps: ...Sed nunc quoque turpes Litibus exercent linguas pulsoque pudore, Quamvis sint sub aqua, sub aqua maledicere temptant. Vox quoque iam rauca est, inflataque colla tumescunt, Ipsaque dilatant patulos convicia rictus. Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michel Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? PLEASE DON't MIX UP ALL EUROPEAN DEALERS. my 2 cents MICHEL FRANCO, HUNTER AND DEALER. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
We were trying to have a bit closer look at the pics of this item, and I just recived a short note from prof. Martti Lehtinen (university of Helsinki) I can aggree. The specimen looks a bit old to be a fresh iron. There may be some troilite inclusions in the sample, but it may also show some rust, but who knows...;- pekka s Some iron fragments have been found from the area, but it`s hard to say, if they are from this bolide yet; FIRST NEWS ON METEORITE RECOVERY. The Spanish researcher Dr. Javier Garcia Guinea of the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Madrid and the Centro Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas (CSIC) has made the first analysis to a sample recovered by an individual from the falling area in the North of Palencia. The preliminary analysis seems to be POSITIVE being probably an Iron Meteorite that consist almost entirely of a nickel-iron metal alloy. In case of confirmation we are in the presence of a historic recovery because until this date not orbital information has been obtained on this kind of meteorites. In the next days we plan to extend this information in more detail. http://www.spmn.uji.es/ESP/nov38eng.html Have asked the coordinates of this found from the seller, lets see, if Ill have them, and if so, are they located in Spain or in Siberia...;- pekka s Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Everyone, I have been off the list since 1/02 and have just re-subscribed. I am very disappointed to learn that Bernd has left the list but I am not completely surprised. To those who are (relatively) new to the list, Bernd is an extremely knowledgeable meteorite collector. A high school teacher in Germany by profession, he contributed much to this list for many years. He compiled huge amounts of information regarding meteorites and was quick to supply a requested reference. His database was huge and his willing to share his information with list members was even larger and he provided character and class to the list. I personally will miss his contributions. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sikote Alin? Would surely like to see the picture of the certificate of authenticity he refers to... DF Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and Len in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Lotta' truth there Jerry, Here, we been founden' um' down by the sheep pen...tiny round ones...carboon ace us onesLots of 'em! df Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and Len in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL
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What is he trying to tell us? All I can read in his last two posts is some unprovoked bashing of americans, calling them cheaters and liars? Matteo, just for the records: I asked this question about the spanish meteorite-find just because I wanted some opinions. Excuse me, but your reactions are sick and sicken me. BTW - I asked the seller for the promised picture of the certificate. No reaction so far after 12 hours. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:03 PM To: David Freeman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3 239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category= 3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL
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My reaction is give for the fault of Mr.Freeman, if Mr.Freeman not say a similar idiocy my reaction not exit, your answer give to Mr.Freeman not to me Matteo --- Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is he trying to tell us? All I can read in his last two posts is some unprovoked bashing of americans, calling them cheaters and liars? Matteo, just for the records: I asked this question about the spanish meteorite-find just because I wanted some opinions. Excuse me, but your reactions are sick and sicken me. BTW - I asked the seller for the promised picture of the certificate. No reaction so far after 12 hours. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:03 PM To: David Freeman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3 239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category= 3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. === message truncated === = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Wow, I am speechless. You go Matteo. Long live Italy. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED
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the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. And all this from a person that allegedly posed a Pultusk for a Tessera Backyard Meteorite. You never cease to amaze me Matteo. Why are you still here? I thought you unsubscribed over a month ago. It's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Martin, is that good or bad? I got offered a 45 kilo Gibeon today for 45000 Euros. HMMM, a little steep for my tastes. I seem to note that American prices for the most part tend to be lower than the European prices. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Martin Altmann wrote: the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. Are European dealers cheaper??? I must have missed that little tid-bit somewhere during the last few years. They (American slime), sure don't seem anymore expensive than European dealers during the Tucson show. Quite the contary to what I've seen. Guess we'll see in a couple of weeks. Time will tell. Best wishes, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
