Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Mike Henker
Hi your answers help me a lot, I just want to know exactly what you 
said!! how many options I have around text editors.


Finally,I will use vi, perhaps like you said is the harder option but if 
a lot of UNIX people use it and recommand that means something...


Thank you very much for all the info ;)

Salutes,
Mike


Mike Henker escribis:
Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is 
how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you 
recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I 
install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this 
doubt. Thanks


Salutes,
Mike




Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Sigfred HÃ¥versen

J.C. Roberts wrote:

3.) Learn ed -If vi is not installed, ed probably is. Some ancient
systems don't have vi but the odds of coming across such a system are
fairly slim.


The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have 
to use it on occasion (shudder).


/Sigfred



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Zoong PHAM
On Sunday,  7 August 2005 at  9:34:18 +0200, Sigfred Heversen wrote:
 The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have 
 to use it on occasion (shudder).

And if you are in support role, sometimes you have to tell someone on the
phone how to edit system config files (in single user mode) with ed.
Life is tough :-)

Zoong



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 06:21:55PM +1000, Zoong PHAM wrote:
 On Sunday,  7 August 2005 at  9:34:18 +0200, Sigfred Heversen wrote:
  The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have 
  to use it on occasion (shudder).
 
 And if you are in support role, sometimes you have to tell someone on the
 phone how to edit system config files (in single user mode) with ed.
 Life is tough :-)
 

shudder?
tough?

it is 166kb of kick ass editor that will save your life someday. all
hail and revel in the glory that is ed(1)!

SEE ALSO
A Tutorial Introduction to the UNIX Text Editor,
 /usr/share/doc/usd/09.edtut/.

jmc



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread imEnsion
I'm surprised everyone keeps recommending using vi and vim, yet no one
has given a pointer on how to learn it. Sure, an OReilly book may come
in handly for this (such as the pocket version of vi tips), but the
best way to learn is of course to read the man page.

Aside from the man page, if you install vim (which i highly
recommend), there is a little program/script/whatever called vimtutor
that will get you familiar with vi/vim. I hop this helps a little bit.

Good luck.. and welcome to UNIX (not those linux wannabees :P)

 

On 8/7/05, Jason McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 06:21:55PM +1000, Zoong PHAM wrote:
  On Sunday,  7 August 2005 at  9:34:18 +0200, Sigfred Heversen wrote:
   The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have
   to use it on occasion (shudder).
 
  And if you are in support role, sometimes you have to tell someone on the
  phone how to edit system config files (in single user mode) with ed.
  Life is tough :-)
 
 
 shudder?
 tough?
 
 it is 166kb of kick ass editor that will save your life someday. all
 hail and revel in the glory that is ed(1)!
 
 SEE ALSO
 A Tutorial Introduction to the UNIX Text Editor,
  /usr/share/doc/usd/09.edtut/.
 
 jmc



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, imEnsion wrote:

 I'm surprised everyone keeps recommending using vi and vim, yet no one
 has given a pointer on how to learn it. Sure, an OReilly book may come
 in handly for this (such as the pocket version of vi tips), but the
 best way to learn is of course to read the man page.

Which refers you to

An Introduction to Display Editing with Vi, /usr/share/doc/usd/12.vi/.
This document is the closest thing available to an introductionto the vi
screen editor.

-Otto



Re: wi0 troubles

2005-08-07 Thread batou

Greg Thomas wrote :


Better luck now.  Things started working  better when I got an
off-list email suggesting to upgrade to 1.1.1/1.8.2.  I tried
1.1.1/1.8.0, 1.1.1/1.8.2, and 1.1.1/1.8.4 and this was the result:

Aug  6 18:47:43 grits /bsd: wi0 at pcmcia0 function 0 INTERSIL,
HFA384x/IEEE, Version 01.02 port 0xa000/64
Aug  6 18:47:43 grits /bsd: wi0: PRISM2.5 ISL3873, Firmware 1.1.1
(primary), 1.8.0 (station), address 00:02:6f:08:0d:85
Aug  6 18:50:05 grits /bsd: wi0: init failed
Aug  6 18:50:05 grits /bsd: wi0: failed to allocate 1594 bytes on NIC
Aug  6 18:50:05 grits /bsd: wi0: tx buffer allocation failed
Aug  6 18:50:05 grits /bsd: wi0: failed to allocate 1594 bytes on NIC
Aug  6 18:50:05 grits /bsd: wi0: mgmt. buffer allocation failed
Aug  6 18:50:05 grits /bsd: wi0: wi_start: xmit failed

 


Hi,

I've got the same trouble with  a prism2 under 3.7 (stable) / sparc64 
(U10) :


pciide1: channel 1 configured to native-PCI mode
wi0 at pci2 dev 4 function 0 US Robotics WL11000P rev 0x02: ivec 1c
wi0: U.S. Robotics, IEEE 802.11b PC-CARD, Version 01.02
wi0: PRISM2 HWB3163 rev.A, Firmware 0.3.0 (primary), 1.4.9 (station), 
address 00:90:d1:08:19:8e

wi0: init failed
wi0: failed to allocate 1594 bytes on NIC
wi0: tx buffer allocation failed
wi0: failed to allocate 1594 bytes on NIC
wi0: mgmt. buffer allocation failed

it was the same OpenBSD 3.5 stable ... but not with the 3.4.  The  
prism2 was running fine under OpenBSD 3.4 stable.


--
batou aka Jean-marc from France



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Moritz Grimm

Otto Moerbeek wrote:

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, imEnsion wrote:

I'm surprised everyone keeps recommending using vi and vim, yet no one
has given a pointer on how to learn it. Sure, an OReilly book may come



An Introduction to Display Editing with Vi, /usr/share/doc/usd/12.vi/.
This document is the closest thing available to an introductionto the vi
screen editor.


To learn the basics of vi, vim comes in handy. After installing vim, one 
can use vimtutor to learn-by-doing all the useful basics in roughly 30 
minutes - and those work in our base nvi as well. It is well-written and 
very effective at teaching vi. Afterwards one is skilled enough to 
appreciate the complete documentation and do any configuration work 
and/or nvi-based programming on OpenBSD without (further) packages 
installed.



Moritz



Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes

2005-08-07 Thread Jim Fron
I'm attempting to install OBSD 3.7 sparc on a Sparcstation 20.  I've  
been through installs numerous times on 20's, 2's, and an IPC using  
previous OBSD versions.


Currently, I only have one install method -- floppy.  I could  
conceivably set up a netboot install or wrangle a CDR drive if need be.


The problem is this: every time I attempt to install, I get part-way  
or all the way through the package download process, and the  
installer bombs, dumps hex to the screen, and drops back into OFW.  I  
don't have serial console, either: I'm using a monitor and keyboard,  
so it's tough to say what, if any, error messages may be present.   
The more packages I attempt to install, the more likely it is to  
crash in the middle of download.  If I reduce the packages to bsd and  
base37.tgz, I can often get as far as building nodes before the crash.


This system seemed to happily run Solaris 7, booting all the way into  
CDE and running seeral apps at once without bombing, so I'm hesitant  
to start yanking RAM, but if that's the only thing suspect, I'll do it.


So, my questions are: any ideas what could be causing this?  The  
farthest I've gotten is a bootable system with no network, so the  
possibility of a partial-install with manual addition of the other  
packages seems questionable.  Any suggestions for what I might do to  
get through a complete install?



Thanks,
JMF



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Richard P. Koett
You guys are all sissies.

Real men use cat(1).



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Brian
If you install the port vim, it comes with vimtutor.  You just type:

$ /usr/local/bin/vimtutor

And the tutor is pretty good.  It helped me out.

Brian








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Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Han Boetes
You can use mg on OpenBSD. All you have to learn to get started is
that ctrl-x ctrl-c saves the file and exits.



# Han



Re: cpuburn: operation not permitted

2005-08-07 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 06:02:42PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 04:24:41PM -0500, Matt Garman wrote:
  Has anyone stress-tested their CPU under OpenBSD?  In particular,
  I'd like to run the cpuburn program:
  
  http://pages.sbcglobal.net/redelm/
  
  However, when I try to run any of the executables (even as root), it
  says Operation not permitted.
 
 What is you goal?

I'd like to load the CPU as much as possible, while at the same time
monitoring temperatures, so that I can make sure my computer doesn't
overheat.  (I just built a fanless Via Epia (CL600) Mini-ITX system,
and stuffed it in a small case; even unloaded it gets somewhat warm
to the touch, so I want to make sure it can handle a full load.)

Thanks!
Matt

-- 
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email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email



hlt-instruction

2005-08-07 Thread Anders Henningsson
How do I enable the hlt-thing in obsd 3.7? I installed on a k6-3 with via
vt82c598 and vt82c596 chipset. It used to show in dmesg: checking hlt ok
or something like that. But it does not now.

Anders

Anders Henningsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Tim Hammerquist
Richard P. Koett wrote:
 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353
 
 You guys are all sissies.
 
 Real men use cat(1).

What kind of men use Outlook?

Well, at least you can still do:

C:\ copy con stuff.bat
@echo off
del /s *  nul
^Z
C:\ stuff



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Gustavo Rios
On 8/6/05, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/6/05, Mike Henker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is
  how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you
  recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I
  install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this
  doubt. Thanks
 
  Salutes,
  Mike
 
 vi is my editor of choice. But if you don't have a UNIX background you
 might want to try joe.

We need to be very carefull with the tools we learn as a student and
the ones as we teach as a professor. That's because the tools we use
shape the way we think and solve problems and will dictate aour
thinking habit to the selenity. Unlearning is not a possible
experience.

So, we you have no experience with computer, start with unix, if you
have no experience editing in unix env, start with vi, it's the only
safe choice, it there, every where, in each unix flavor and is very
mature.

My 4 cents.

 --
 Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido
 http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/
 Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho
 ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez



Re: Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes

2005-08-07 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:28:55 -0400, Jim Fron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm attempting to install OBSD 3.7 sparc on a Sparcstation 20.  I've  
been through installs numerous times on 20's, 2's, and an IPC using  
previous OBSD versions.

Currently, I only have one install method -- floppy.  I could  
conceivably set up a netboot install or wrangle a CDR drive if need be.

The problem is this: every time I attempt to install, I get part-way  
or all the way through the package download process, and the  
installer bombs, dumps hex to the screen, and drops back into OFW.  I  
don't have serial console, either: I'm using a monitor and keyboard,  
so it's tough to say what, if any, error messages may be present.   
The more packages I attempt to install, the more likely it is to  
crash in the middle of download.  If I reduce the packages to bsd and  
base37.tgz, I can often get as far as building nodes before the crash.

This system seemed to happily run Solaris 7, booting all the way into  
CDE and running seeral apps at once without bombing, so I'm hesitant  
to start yanking RAM, but if that's the only thing suspect, I'll do it.

So, my questions are: any ideas what could be causing this?  The  
farthest I've gotten is a bootable system with no network, so the  
possibility of a partial-install with manual addition of the other  
packages seems questionable.  Any suggestions for what I might do to  
get through a complete install?


Thanks,
JMF

Floppy drives and diskettes are notorious for failing in very strange
and unusual ways. Check out the mild but insightful message from Art
on tech@ if you want to know the general consensus on floppies.

From: Artur Grabowski art@
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


In your situation, setting up serial is worthwhile if for no other
reason than posting debug info to the list. If you've got spare
openbsd/unix machine with a free serial port and a null modem cable,
you're good to go. Note, that's a *null*modem* cable, not a straight
wired serial cable.

On the spare machine use tip(8)
Make sure you've got the needed entry in remote(5).

unix9600|9600 Baud dial-out to another UNIX system:\
:el=^U^C^R^O^D^S^Q:ie=%$:oe=^D:tc=dial1200:\
:br=#9600:dv=/dev/tty00:

Run tip
% sudo tip unix9600

On your spare machine, you could also serve ftp for the install *.tgz
files as well as dhcp and netboot images.

On the problematic SS20, disconnect the keyboard and monitor 
since on some (most/all/?) sun systems if you boot with a keyboard
attached, the system will use it. If the keyboard is not attached, it
will default to serial console.

Then power up the SS20. With any luck, you've just have a bad floppy
diskette and the netboot/serial/ftp install will work just fine. If
not, you've got the needed debug info to figure out the problem.

JCR



Re: Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes

2005-08-07 Thread Jim Fron

On Aug 7, 2005, at 2:46 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote:


Floppy drives and diskettes are notorious for failing in very strange
and unusual ways. Check out the mild but insightful message from Art
on tech@ if you want to know the general consensus on floppies.


That's good to know.  Unfortunately, most of my machines (mac) don't  
have serial ports.  My other sparc box is the reason I'm trying to  
configure this one: it stopped responding to the serial port and  
keyboard, it displays only a blank white screen on the monitor, and  
the ethernet port that didn't have all inbound services pf-blocked  
died on me, so I can't ssh into it.  It's my NAT/firewall, and,  
though I have no way of getting into or out of the box, it's still  
running, and I don't want to risk powering it down until I have a  
replacement configured.  :-/


So, going with the idea that floppies are just unreliable, I seem  
to have three options:


1. Use the floppy to boot, exit the installer, and install and  
configure manually (it doesn't seem to crash when I ftp tarballs in,  
but crashes regularly when I use the installer to do it).  Has anyone  
written a walk-through for doing this?


2. Figure out how to configure OSX (client) as a netboot server.

3. Buy an OBSD CD, unplug the SCSI CDR drive from the running  
firewall and hope it doesn't crash.


I'm eyeing option #1 right now.



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Paul Pruett

http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html

Ed, man!  !man ed

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Richard P. Koett wrote:


Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:01:40 -0700
From: Richard P. Koett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Text editor

You guys are all sissies.

Real men use cat(1).




Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:34:44 + (GMT), Paul Pruett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html

Ed, man!  !man ed


From the paged linked above:

Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:

golem$ ed

?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello? 
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?

An now I have to wonder if I've been hacked by someone who wants to
record all my console sessions... ;-)

JCR

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Re: Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes

2005-08-07 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:18:40 -0400, Jim Fron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Aug 7, 2005, at 2:46 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote:

 Floppy drives and diskettes are notorious for failing in very strange
 and unusual ways. Check out the mild but insightful message from Art
 on tech@ if you want to know the general consensus on floppies.

That's good to know.  Unfortunately, most of my machines (mac) don't  
have serial ports.  

At times I wonder if Apple not supporting serial is smart or dumb but
I never seem to come to a conclusion...

A USB to serial device may do the trick but personally, I've never
tried it.

My other sparc box is the reason I'm trying to  
configure this one: it stopped responding to the serial port and  
keyboard, it displays only a blank white screen on the monitor, and  
the ethernet port that didn't have all inbound services pf-blocked  
died on me, so I can't ssh into it.  It's my NAT/firewall, and,  
though I have no way of getting into or out of the box, it's still  
running, and I don't want to risk powering it down until I have a  
replacement configured.  :-/

So, going with the idea that floppies are just unreliable, I seem  
to have three options:

1. Use the floppy to boot, exit the installer, and install and  
configure manually (it doesn't seem to crash when I ftp tarballs in,  
but crashes regularly when I use the installer to do it).  Has anyone  
written a walk-through for doing this?

2. Figure out how to configure OSX (client) as a netboot server.

3. Buy an OBSD CD, unplug the SCSI CDR drive from the running  
firewall and hope it doesn't crash.

I'm eyeing option #1 right now.


Hopefully you've tried redownloading and reimaging on a new floppy
diskette. The diskette could be the problem but if the created floppy
is passing the test in the OBSD Install FAQ, the only possibility left
for floppy being the cause is a bad diskette drive in the SS20 (or the
drive just has dirty heads).

I don't have the bandwidth to mess around with multiple/repeated FTP
installs from the internet. It takes too long, so I usually transfer
the files once and then host the FTP locally. It makes installs a lot
easier.

Option #2 with a local FTP server might work but getting a serial
console on the beast should be your goal. If you've got flaky hardware
in the SS20, you don't want to use it as a replacement for your
(currently failing) firewall. Serial is probably the best way to
figure out what the heck is going wrong. Using your MacOS box with tip
and a USB-serial converter might just work.

JCR

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Re: Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes

2005-08-07 Thread Nick Holland
Jim Fron wrote:
 I'm attempting to install OBSD 3.7 sparc on a Sparcstation 20.  I've  
 been through installs numerous times on 20's, 2's, and an IPC using  
 previous OBSD versions.
 
 Currently, I only have one install method -- floppy.  I could  
 conceivably set up a netboot install or wrangle a CDR drive if need be.
 
 The problem is this: every time I attempt to install, I get part-way  
 or all the way through the package download process, and the  
 installer bombs, dumps hex to the screen, and drops back into OFW.  I  
 don't have serial console, either: I'm using a monitor and keyboard,  
 so it's tough to say what, if any, error messages may be present.   
 The more packages I attempt to install, the more likely it is to  
 crash in the middle of download.  If I reduce the packages to bsd and  
 base37.tgz, I can often get as far as building nodes before the crash.

 This system seemed to happily run Solaris 7, booting all the way into  
 CDE and running seeral apps at once without bombing, so I'm hesitant  
 to start yanking RAM, but if that's the only thing suspect, I'll do it.

Sounds like one of two things:
either
1) No one has ever installed OpenBSD 3.7 on a SS20, and you have
discovered that it really doesn't work.
2) Your computer is broke.

While it may be argued that I am a no one, it isn't due to the fact
that I have installed OpenBSD 3.7 on an SS20.  Two SS20, in fact,
testing both CDROM and floppy based installs.  It isn't #1.

Your computer is broke.  Get troubleshooting.

Your description sounds just like a memory problem, the more your
install, the more memory the system uses.  MAKEDEV uses a LOT of RAM.

If another OS fails on the same hardware, you can be pretty sure it is
bad hardware.  If another OS is still working, it is at best a
suggestion that it might NOT be hardware.

As the system is fully booting the kernel, I don't think it is a floppy
problem.

Nick.



Test

2005-08-07 Thread Henry Lenzi
Test



Re: Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes

2005-08-07 Thread Jim Fron

On Aug 7, 2005, at 4:23 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote:'


At times I wonder if Apple not supporting serial is smart or dumb but
I never seem to come to a conclusion...


OT: I think it's dumb.  But that's from the standpoint of someone who  
does more with computers than 95% of the population.  I also thought  
it was dumb to dump standard SCSI, and dumb to drop OFW/PPC for,  
presumably, a PC BIOS that may or may not support nice features like  
mouse-driven FW, netboot, target disk mode, and their plethora of  
long-standing startup key combinations.  But big companies don't make  
computers for people like me, they make them for people who live at  
the mall.




A USB to serial device may do the trick but personally, I've never
tried it.


I have a half-broken one, but I'll have to get out the soldering iron  
and hack up some old cables to make a functional din-db25 null-modem  
cable if I have to.




Hopefully you've tried redownloading and reimaging on a new floppy
diskette.


The 'sum is correct.  It could be the floppy, or the fd.  I've had  
bad floppy problems before.


Walking through the install script manually, it seems to be crashing  
at MAKEDEV.  When using the install script, it would sometimes crash  
at (probably) MAKEDEV, and sometimes during ftp.  I think I probably  
will need that serial console.  Perhaps I have a bad SCSI drive.




I don't have the bandwidth to mess around with multiple/repeated FTP
installs from the internet. It takes too long, so I usually transfer
the files once and then host the FTP locally. It makes installs a lot
easier.


I've been doing that.  Well, I did that, found that it crashed sooner  
in the process when I did, and then tried FTP to an external site.   
If increased speed is causing me problems, I'm thinking I may have  
a bad disk or main board.  Fsck.


If you've got flaky hardware in the SS20, you don't want to use it  
as a

replacement for your (currently failing) firewall.


Probably.  Well, one crap keyspan USB/serial device and one, possibly  
now two crap SS20's has taught me a lesson: for the money, it may be  
better to go out and but a cheap sh*t Wal-Mart PC instead of buying  
good hardware off eBay.




Re: cpuburn: operation not permitted

2005-08-07 Thread Frank Denis \(Jedi/Sector One\)

On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 12:49:02PM -0500, Matt Garman wrote:

I'd like to load the CPU as much as possible, while at the same time
monitoring temperatures, so that I can make sure my computer doesn't
overheat. 


 Try running blogbench - http://blogbench.pureftpd.org/ - it brings hardware
to its knees and it can help to discover overheating.



Re: Text editor

2005-08-07 Thread Martin Schröder
On 2005-08-07 09:01:40 -0700, Richard P. Koett wrote:
 Real men use cat(1).

And real women use magnets. :-)

Best
Martin
-- 
http://www.tm.oneiros.de



Sparc QFE repeatable crashes [was: Install Woes (3.7/sparc) - Spontaneous crashes]

2005-08-07 Thread Jim Fron

On Aug 7, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Nick Holland wrote:


Your description sounds just like a memory problem, the more your
install, the more memory the system uses.  MAKEDEV uses a LOT of RAM.


Well, I started by pulling out all the core, and swapping them in 2  
at a time (2 @16Mb each).  At first I was having issues with all  
combinations, and started to get worried.  Then I stumbled on it:  
there was one sure thing I could do that would always crash the  
system: `ifconfig -a`


I pulled out the qfe SBUS card, and it's stable as can be, with all  
core tested in pairs of 2, and with all 128Mb installed.


I've added [EMAIL PROTECTED], as this may be platform-specific.

Strange thing is, the card works.  I used it under Solaris to  
transfer the 3.7 boot floppy image in.  I used it with the boot  
floppy to grab all the files via FTP.  The installation process would  
sometimes crash during FTP using the installer, but never if I  
escaped to shell and ran FTP manually.  Also, the install process  
would fail at MAKEDEV, which I presume only uses the network if  
making network devices.


Boot into the installed system, and I could ping the local IP.   
Sometimes I would get no route to host pinging another node on the  
subnet, and sometimes it would crash.  `ifconfig =a` would always crash.


I searched, and there are open qfe bugs for sparc64 (3928/sparc64,  
3960/sparc64), but this is sun4m/SS20 sparc.  There's (4218/kernel),  
but that just says not working.  None of these reflect the severity  
(immediate drop into the debugger) I experienced.


I also found this:

http://archive.openbsd.nu/?ml=openbsd-sparca=2005-02t=659794

I've been trying for the last few days to build a router w/ a  
Sparc20 to get
into our lab from our desks.  The hardware on hand happens to be  
a Sparc20
w/ 1 le interface and a Quad card that are hme interfaces.  From  
inside the
box, I can ping the interface, but can't seem to ping anything  
outside of that.
There are also a few entries in the dmesg that seem to indicate  
something more
than my inability to pull my head out (thought I'm pretty sure  
that's the problem).


...

 If you comment out ukphy from your kernel and recompile it  
should start working.


I have no problem with doing this, but I'd like a second opinion if  
possible.  Is this the correct fix?  Is this known, under the  
other bug reports?



Thanks,
JMF



Re: login group for users should be?

2005-08-07 Thread Christopher Kruslicky
On Friday 05 August 2005 04:06 pm, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
 On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 13:21 +0200, Tim wrote:
  When creating a user I am wondering what is
  recommended when assigning a login group to the user.
 
  There are to alternatives, giving the user unique
  login group (same as his name) or giving the user a
  general login group such as users.
 
  What do you recommend?

 I, personally, always use a unique login group, and add the group
 users as a secondary group. But, like a lot of other things, it really
 depends on what you need, and what your users need.

That's what I typically do as well, primary group same as username.  Then if 
the account is for a human it gets 'users' added as a secondary group.  It 
matters in a few places, like sshd_config where I put something like this:

AllowGroups users



any luck with CBL for spamd pf Table ?

2005-08-07 Thread Paul Pruett

Tried to use CBL for spamd.conf, it was a bust.
may have been sysadmin err0r/misunderstanding..:).

Anyone else successfully using CBL for /usr/libexec/spamd-setup ?

It appears that the CBL black list has about 1,744,279 entries
The CBL list is a big part of the Spamhaus XBL list, and gets
a lot that others may miss. And using dns instead of pf to reject is not
preferred...

But how many addresses can be put into pf Table without overload?
(depends on arch and resources... but in short.. rule of thumb..
how many lines should be stay under when putting Tables for spamd?)

with over million IPs in CBL, trying
   /usr/libexec/spamd-setup -d
just sets there cooking and doesn't finish


retrieval notes:
==
/usr/local/bin/rsync rsync://rsync.cbl.abuseat.org/cbl/list.txt \
  /tmp/cbl-list.txt.rsync
sed -e '/^[0-9]/!d' /tmp/cbl-list.txt.rsync  /tmp/cbl-list.txt
wc -l /tmp/cbl-list.txt
===
mv list to appropriate folder, edit /etc/spamd.conf, run spamd-setup and 
it just does not do well...
so many lines...  or some of the lines have something that 
hangs spamd-setup???