Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread Alexander Hall

Matthew Szudzik wrote

I have two computers I'm considering going amd64 on:

1. My Thinkpad X61s (1GB RAM)


It appears that the wireless driver your Thinkpad requires

wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG rev 0x02: apic 2 


is not supported in OpenBSD/amd64.  See

 http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html


and


Another thing to keep in mind is that there are some OpenBSD packages
and ports that only run on i386.  In particular, any software that
requires Linux emulation (such as the opera-flashplugin) will not run on
amd64.


These are important issues that I did not think of. I will probably not 
need java on our server but it seems I could compile jdk1.6 and 1.7 
natively if so. I would prefer not running linux blobs on the server 
anyway... :-)


All in all, I now aim to run amd64 on the server but the wireless issue 
(which I assume is correct, though I have not verified it), will prevent 
me from running it on the laptop.


Thank you for your replies!

/Alexander



OCR - Tesseract?

2008-03-26 Thread Uwe Dippel
Currently using ocrad from ports, fast, small footprint, thumbs up.
Though I still need a higher accuracy, and was wondering,
if anybody has made Tesseract compile/use on OpenBSD successfully?

Uwe



Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread damien . bergamini
  It appears that the wireless driver your Thinkpad requires
 
  wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
 
  is not supported in OpenBSD/amd64.  See
 
   http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html


That is not true.  Both wpi(4) and iwn(4) are in amd64 GENERIC.
The web page needs an update though.

Damien



Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread Alexander Hall

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It appears that the wireless driver your Thinkpad requires


wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG

is not supported in OpenBSD/amd64.  See

 http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html



That is not true.  Both wpi(4) and iwn(4) are in amd64 GENERIC.
The web page needs an update though.


Ok, I thought it seemed a little strange, but who was I to question the 
docs? :)


Thanks for the update.



Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:23:56AM +0100, Alexander Hall wrote:
 Matthew Szudzik wrote
 I have two computers I'm considering going amd64 on:

 1. My Thinkpad X61s (1GB RAM)

 It appears that the wireless driver your Thinkpad requires

 wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG rev 0x02: apic 
 2 

 is not supported in OpenBSD/amd64.  See

  http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html

 and

 Another thing to keep in mind is that there are some OpenBSD packages
 and ports that only run on i386.  In particular, any software that
 requires Linux emulation (such as the opera-flashplugin) will not run on
 amd64.

 These are important issues that I did not think of. I will probably not 
 need java on our server but it seems I could compile jdk1.6 and 1.7 
 natively if so. I would prefer not running linux blobs on the server 
 anyway... :-)

 All in all, I now aim to run amd64 on the server but the wireless issue 
 (which I assume is correct, though I have not verified it), will prevent me 
 from running it on the laptop.

 Thank you for your replies!

I have an x61s, it dual boots i386 and amd64. Both works fine. So in
that case don't worry about device support. :)

-0-
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Re: PC Camera?

2008-03-26 Thread michael hamerski
Sure, I wasn't really thinking of bktr, which as I understand is a
video capture card and as such has onboard electronics for image
processing. Evidently, this in combo with a normal cam is the best in
terms of resolution/low cpu load.

I was aiming more for the post comparing 40$ usb webcam/100$ ip webcam
and the original poster wanting simple surveillance. Ok, if you have a
project where you need a 100 of the little buggers, you can probably
find a decent one at an ok price and write a driver. For a one-off,
the stuff that retails at 20$ in your local store is most probably a
piece of crap. So IMO an ip cam and push/pull to your box makes more
sense, and basically you do not want to do audio/video over the usb
bus, ever.

mike

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  I bet, to get the same resolution from an IP cam, I would be
  using more resources.  either a much higher network load (always
  some network load ...), or cpu load to decompress the video.
  of course, raw frames suck as far as storage/transmission is
  concerned.



Vlan tagging and Carp

2008-03-26 Thread G 0kita
Hello all!  I'm having some trouble with getting an OpenBSD box to properly
tag packets via 802.1Q.
I'm setting up an OpenBSD4.2 router pulling data off a trunk port on a Cisco
2960 switch.  I can see the packets traverse the stack upwards but they are
not being encapsulated with a vlan tag on the way back out so are getting
dropped by the switch.  Here's a diagram:

  - Other Machine
arp who-has A.A.A.A
  - switch
 vlan20 (arp who-has A.A.A.A)
  - nfe0
vlan20 (arp who-has A.A.A.A)
  - trunk0
vlan20 (arp who-has A.A.A.A)
  - vlan20
arp who-has A.A.A.A
  - carp0 (A.A.A.A)
arp who-has A.A.A.A

  - carp0 (A.A.A.A)
arp reply 'I have A.A.A.A!'
...
  - nfe0
arp reply 'I have A.A.A.A!'
  - switch
wtf?!

nfe0/1, trunk0, vlan10/20/30 have no ip addresses.  The carp0/1/2 sitting on
the vlan pseudo-devices are the only devices with ip addresses.
I was in a hurry yesterday so I didn't check to see if I was getting the
same arp-replies on the vlan20 and trunk0 devices as I suppose it is
possible that the packets were traversing another path down the network
stack.  I'll check tonight if I can.

Any ideas or suggestions?

G0kita



pfstatd crash?

2008-03-26 Thread clifford bailey

Hi,

I've just come across some strange behaviour on pfstatd on openbsd 4.2. 
If I run nmap against pfstatd, pfstatd stops. Is this expected behaviour 
or a known bug? It seems a bit weak to me for software that should be 
running on a firewall. To reproduce it try a straight nmap scan of the 
open pfstatd port.


My pfstatd options are:

pfstatd -a physical_ip_address -p custom_port

then nmap is just a standard scan:

nmap -p custom_port -P0 firewall_ip

I couldn't see anything in the logs to indicate why pfstatd stopped. I'm 
a bit puzzled at the moment why something so simple would cause it to 
fall over, so it may be something peculiar to my setup, but I was 
wondering has anyone else come across this?

Thanks!



Re: Vlan tagging and Carp

2008-03-26 Thread G 0kita
Thanks Brian!  I was really hoping to keep the number of ip addresses used
to a minimum though.  I'm using a /29 and am really tight on ips.
Using carp0 straight onto (carpdev) nfe0 would not require nfe0 to have an
ip address, any way I can get away with the same when the carpdev is vlan20?

hostname.nfe0
 up
hostname.nfe1
 up
hostname.trunk0
 trunkproto round-robin trunkport nfe0 trunkport nfe1 up
hostname.vlan10
 vlan 10 vlandev trunk0
hostname.vlan20
 vlan 20 vlandev trunk0
hostname.carp0
 inet 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.248 192.168.1.7 carpdev vlan10 vhid 0 advskew
0 pass password
hostname.carp1
 inet 192.168.1.9 255.255.255.248 192.168.1.15 carpdev vlan20 vhid 1 advskew
0 pass password

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Brian A. Seklecki 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 09:32 -0400, G 0kita wrote:
  Hello all!  I'm having some trouble with getting an OpenBSD box to
 properly
  tag packets via 802.1Q.
  I'm setting up an OpenBSD4.2 router pulling data off a trunk port on a
 Cisco
  2960 switch.  I can see the packets traverse the stack upwards but they
 are

 The two physical/vlan interfaces on each unit should have an IP address
 in the subnet (.2 and .3 respectively, normally).  The CARP interface on
 each system on each box should have the same address (.1 normally)



Re: Vlan tagging and Carp

2008-03-26 Thread Brian A. Seklecki
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 09:32 -0400, G 0kita wrote:
 Hello all!  I'm having some trouble with getting an OpenBSD box to properly
 tag packets via 802.1Q.
 I'm setting up an OpenBSD4.2 router pulling data off a trunk port on a Cisco
 2960 switch.  I can see the packets traverse the stack upwards but they are

The two physical/vlan interfaces on each unit should have an IP address
in the subnet (.2 and .3 respectively, normally).  The CARP interface on
each system on each box should have the same address (.1 normally)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/root# grep -i vlan42 /etc/rc.conf

ifconfig_vlan42=inet 192.168.7.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 42 vlanif
wm1

ifconfig_carp42=inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 pass password
vhid 42 advskew 99


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/root# grep -i vlan42 /etc/rc.conf

ifconfig_vlan42=inet 192.168.7.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 42 vlanif
wm1

ifconfig_carp42=inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 pass password
vhid 42 advskew 101

Adjust your syntax for ifconfig.if(5) in 4.2


~BAS



Re: [OT] postgresql client with libpqxx from ports - linking problem

2008-03-26 Thread Marius Hooge

mcb, inc. wrote:

You did not use '-l' correctly then.  You have not specified
a library to link against hence the unresolved reference.
Get the -l correct and you will be on your way.

Exactly.
Well, I just figured out, that I have to use -lpqxx instead of -llibpqxx.a
Duh...

Thank you anyway and sorry for the noise.



Re: Vlan tagging and Carp

2008-03-26 Thread Brian A. Seklecki
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 10:01 -0400, G 0kita wrote:
---

Nah, a /29 is the smallest WAN space you can use for a CARP - CARP (or
HSRP/VRRP) Ethernet WAN transport.

If you have that budget and business need, then you can afford the
hardware and IP space.

Remember, you can always use _RFC1918 private IP space_ for transit WANs
(a la Comcast.net), but you're on your own when the users with
pitchforks come.

~BAS



Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread Alexander Hall

Owain Ainsworth wrote:

I have an x61s, it dual boots i386 and amd64. Both works fine. So in
that case don't worry about device support. :)


Yeah I realized that (and installed amd64 on an usb stick just to test). :-)

Thanks,

/Alexander



Re: pfstatd crash?

2008-03-26 Thread Alexey Vatchenko
2008-03-26, clifford bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've just come across some strange behaviour on pfstatd on openbsd 4.2. 
 If I run nmap against pfstatd, pfstatd stops. Is this expected behaviour 
 or a known bug? It seems a bit weak to me for software that should be 
 running on a firewall. To reproduce it try a straight nmap scan of the 
 open pfstatd port.

Can it be that your userland is not the same version as your kernel?

-- 
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http://www.bsdua.org



Re: bgp routing question

2008-03-26 Thread Frans Haarman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Fridiric Pli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  I have an openbsd router with two ebgp peers.

  I have serveral prefixes to announce but I would like to know how I could
  influence outcoming traffic from each of my prefix.

  I did not understand how to use weight, localpref and metric nor filter
  rules to do that.

I dont think you can use BGP to direct traffic based on scr network. You
might using virtual routing tables, pf route-to and/or tagging ?



Re: pfstatd crash?

2008-03-26 Thread clifford bailey

Hi Alexey,

Anything is possible but... no I just checked the md5s of my package 
against a mirror and it's definitely pfstatd2.2 from the 4.2 i386 
packages collection, running on openbsd 4.2. Pretty standard stuff I think.

Thanks,

Cliff.

Output of my pfstatd +CONTENTS file if it helps:

@comment $OpenBSD: PLIST-daemon,v 1.1 2006/05/24 15:15:40 dhartmei Exp $
@name pfstatd-2.2
@comment subdir=net/pfstat,-daemon cdrom=yes ftp=yes
@arch i386
+DESC
@md5 e911322c053238b663f87a9d8bd4d203
@size 179
@wantlib c.41.0
@cwd /usr/local
bin/pfstatd
@md5 59b95848866ac32615b2ac0fcabbd0fb
@size 10468
@man man/man8/pfstatd.8
@md5 d0ef02a879d6ece6cb4ad03188955a92
@size 2793


Alexey Vatchenko wrote:

2008-03-26, clifford bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I've just come across some strange behaviour on pfstatd on openbsd 4.2. 
If I run nmap against pfstatd, pfstatd stops. Is this expected behaviour 
or a known bug? It seems a bit weak to me for software that should be 
running on a firewall. To reproduce it try a straight nmap scan of the 
open pfstatd port.



Can it be that your userland is not the same version as your kernel?




Re: soekris/pcenginges and RO mounting

2008-03-26 Thread Lars Noodén
SchC6berle DC!niel wrote:
 Just a couple of nitpicks:
  -  I don't think you gain anything with noatime and async on a mfs (useless)

Thanks.  That was an artifact of porting from the old HD-based mount.

  - /etc/rc mounts / rw, it's not enough to specify ro in /etc/fstab. You have
 to either: a) modify /etc/rc, or b) remount / ro in rc.local

On which system?  The ones I have, -STABLE 4.2 GENERIC for i386,
/etc/fstab is enough by itself.  / comes up ro from this:

/dev/wd0a / ffs ro 1 1

  - no need for a fake /var, just use the real /var for mfs

That's what I thought at first.  However, I have a small handful of
applications which expect a number of directories to exists (and with
specific owners and permissions).  The fake /var has all the necessary
directories and a few files I which to stock as default.  So it was
necessary to add the -P option to the mfs mount for /var.

Obviously this is not the case for all possible setups, but for my use
it was.

  - it's useful to have a rw /home - it's the only rw thing on my CF

Yes it is.  My solution was to symlink /home to a subdirectory on one of
the mfs partitions.  Anything profound can always be synced before
shutting down.  I'm not sure how many more years (or months) it will be
before CF is as fast as the currently available HDs, but right now the
ones I have are fairly slow even for reading. Writing is very slow.

Regards,
-Lars



Re: Vlan tagging and Carp

2008-03-26 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-03-26, G 0kita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all!  I'm having some trouble with getting an OpenBSD box to properly
 tag packets via 802.1Q.

dmesg, ifconfig -A, config files please... diagrams, while helpful for
visualizing what you intend to do, don't actually show what you have done.



Re: tcl-8.4 and tk-8.4 manpages

2008-03-26 Thread Denny White
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:05:51AM -, ?lfar M. E. Johnson sez:
 I installed tcl-8.4 and tk-8.4 which are required when installing git.  My
 question is how to get the mann directory to display in man.  I have tried
 organising tcltk in /etc/man.conf in several different ways.  Here is how I
 have it organized now.
 
 
 
 # tcltk manpages
 
 _whatdb /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/whatis.db
 
 _whatdb /usr/local/lib/tk8.4/man/whatis.db
 
 _subdir {cat,man}{1,3}
 
 _build .n /usr/bin/nroff -man %s
 
 _default/usr/local/lib/{tcl8.4,tk8.4}/man/
 
 tcltk   /usr/local/lib/{tcl8.4,tk8.4}/man/
 
 1   /usr/local/lib/{tcl8.4,tk8.4}/man1
 
 3   /usr/local/lib/{tcl8.4,tk8.4}/man3
 
 n   /usr/local/lib/{tcl8.4,tk8.4}/mann
 
 
 
 Example I can  man -s tcltk 3 Tcl_RecordAndEval and the man page comes up
 normal.  I can also  man Tk_GetVisual or man -s tcltk 3 Tk_GetVisual and the
 manpages come up normal.  Using man -k tk and here I will show some of the
 display from that command:
 
  tk_messageBox (n) - pops up a message window and waits for user response.
 
 tk_optionMenu (n) - Create an option menubutton and its menu
 
 tk_popup (n) - Post a popup menu
 
 tk_setPalette, tk_bisque (n) - Modify the Tk color palette
 
 tkerror (n) - Command invoked to process background errors
 
 tkvars (n) - Variables used or set by Tk
 
 tkwait (n) - Wait for variable to change or window to be destroyed
 
 
 
 I would like to be able to display man pages for the (n) section.  ie. man -s
 tcltk n tkwait or man n tkwait
 
 As is now when I try to display commands in the (n) section I get results like
 this:  -bash-3.2$ man n tkwait
 
 man: no entry for tkwait in section n of the manual.
 
 man -s tcltk n tkwait
 
 man: no entry for n in section tcltk of the manual.
 
 man: no entry for tkwait in section tcltk of the manual.
 
 
 
 Please enlighten me.
 
 
 Zlfar M. E. Johnson
 Sk}rr
 
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 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 569 5100
 http://www.skyrr.is
 http://www.skyrr.is
 http://www.skyrr.is/legal/disclaimer.txt
 http://www.skyrr.is/legal/disclaimer.txt
 

I tried a bunch of crap in other sections of man.conf  never could
get the n stuff to display. So, I added right at the very end of

 # Specific section/directory combinations.

n   /usr/local/lib/{tcl8.4,tk8.4}/{man/mann/}

When you want to read a man page from that section, just remember to
plug in the 'n' before the man page. Like

man n tk_textCopy

There's probably a better way to do it, but I don't know how. At least
this works.

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Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2008 Mar 25 (Tue) at 19:48:02 + (+), Matthew Szudzik wrote:
: I have two computers I'm considering going amd64 on:
:
: 1. My Thinkpad X61s (1GB RAM)
:
:It appears that the wireless driver your Thinkpad requires
:
: wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG rev 0x02: apic 2 
:
:is not supported in OpenBSD/amd64.  See
:
: http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html
:

I use it daily in amd64.


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always old-fashioned.



Re: pfstatd crash?

2008-03-26 Thread Daniel Hartmeier
When the process tries to write to the socket after the connection has
been closed, it gets a SIGPIPE signal. Without custom signal handling,
the default action is to terminate the process, see signal(3).
signal(3).

Basic socket programming issue, the author sucks. Try the patch below ;)

Daniel


Index: pfstatd.c
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/pfstat/pfstatd/pfstatd.c,v
retrieving revision 1.1.1.1
diff -u -r1.1.1.1 pfstatd.c
--- pfstatd.c   11 Jan 2007 16:01:58 -  1.1.1.1
+++ pfstatd.c   26 Mar 2008 17:58:05 -
@@ -39,6 +39,7 @@
 #include errno.h
 #include fcntl.h
 #include pwd.h
+#include signal.h
 #include stdio.h
 #include stdlib.h
 #include string.h
@@ -97,6 +98,7 @@
}
if (argc != optind)
usage();
+   signal(SIGPIPE, SIG_IGN);
if ((fdp = open(/dev/pf, O_RDONLY))  0) {
fprintf(stderr, open: /dev/pf: %s\n, strerror(errno));
return (1);



Re: Intel Core2 Dual/Quad - i386 or amd64?

2008-03-26 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2008 Mar 26 (Wed) at 10:23:56 +0100 (+0100), Alexander Hall wrote:
 Matthew Szudzik wrote
 I have two computers I'm considering going amd64 on:

 1. My Thinkpad X61s (1GB RAM)

 It appears that the wireless driver your Thinkpad requires

 wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG rev 0x02: apic 
 2 

 is not supported in OpenBSD/amd64.  See

  http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html

 and

 Another thing to keep in mind is that there are some OpenBSD packages
 and ports that only run on i386.  In particular, any software that
 requires Linux emulation (such as the opera-flashplugin) will not run on
 amd64.

 These are important issues that I did not think of. I will probably not 
 need java on our server but it seems I could compile jdk1.6 and 1.7 
 natively if so. I would prefer not running linux blobs on the server 
 anyway... :-)

 All in all, I now aim to run amd64 on the server but the wireless issue 
 (which I assume is correct, though I have not verified it), will prevent me 
 from running it on the laptop.

wpi works in amd64 mode, no need to worry about that :).


 Thank you for your replies!

 /Alexander


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Re: Mountain and Road Bikes Liquidation Sale on 2007 models

2008-03-26 Thread jglenn
I am interested in the Specialized mountain bikes, the Stumpjumper and  also
the Epic. What sizes do you have? Is the Stumpjumper full suspension? Thanks



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Re: tcl-8.4 and tk-8.4 manpages

2008-03-26 Thread Deanna Phillips
 There's probably a better way to do it, but I don't know how. At least
 this works.

Here's mine.  This is covered in man.conf(5).. :)

--- man.conf.orig   Wed Mar 26 15:52:28 2008
+++ man.confWed Mar 26 16:21:48 2008
@@ -7,9 +7,11 @@
 _whatdb/usr/share/man/whatis.db
 _whatdb/usr/local/man/whatis.db
 _whatdb/usr/X11R6/man/whatis.db
+_whatdb/usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/whatis.db
+_whatdb/usr/local/lib/tk8.4/man/whatis.db
 
 # Subdirectories for paths ending in '/', IN SEARCH ORDER.
-_subdircat1 man1 cat8 man8 cat6 man6 cat2 man2 cat3 man3 cat5 
man5 cat7 man7 cat4 man4 cat9 man9 cat3p man3p cat3f man3f
+_subdircat1 man1 cat8 man8 cat6 man6 cat2 man2 cat3 man3 cat5 
man5 cat7 man7 cat4 man4 cat9 man9 cat3p man3p cat3f man3f mann
 
 # Files typed by suffix and their commands.
 # Note the order: .Z must come after .[1-9n].Z, or it will match first.
@@ -33,17 +35,19 @@
 # directory with all of the subdirectories listed for the keyword _subdir.
 
 # default
-_default   /usr/{share,X11R6,local}/man/
+_default   /usr/{share,X11R6,local,local/lib/tcl8.4,local/lib/tk8.4}/man/
 
 # Other sections that represent complete man subdirectories.
 X11/usr/X11R6/man/
 X11R6  /usr/X11R6/man/
 local  /usr/local/man/
+tcl/usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/
+tk /usr/local/lib/tk8.4/man/
 
 # Specific section/directory combinations.
-1  /usr/{share,X11R6,local}/man/{cat,man}1
+1  /usr/{share,X11R6,local,local/lib/{tcl,tk}8.4}/man/{cat,man}1
 2  /usr/{share,X11R6,local}/man/{cat,man}2
-3  /usr/{share,X11R6,local}/man/{cat,man}3
+3  /usr/{share,X11R6,local,local/lib/{tcl,tk}/man/{cat,man}3
 3F /usr/local/man/{cat,man}3f
 3f /usr/local/man/{cat,man}3f
 3P /usr/{share,local}/man/{cat,man}3p
@@ -54,3 +58,4 @@
 7  /usr/{share,X11R6,local}/man/{cat,man}7
 8  /usr/{share,X11R6,local}/man/{cat,man}8
 9  /usr/share/man/{cat,man}9
+n  /usr/local/lib/{tcl,tk}8.4}/man/mann



ssh queue rules

2008-03-26 Thread Lord Sporkton
I have this rule in my PF
and its not working

everything just gets thrown into the high queue and nothing touches
the low queue

(this is from the output of pfctl -s rules)
pass in on em0 inet proto tcp from any to 208.70.72.13 port = ssh
flags S/SA modulate state (source-track rule, max-src-conn-rate 3/30,
overload ssh-attack, src.track 30) queue(low, high)

my ssh is being set with lowdelay

(from tcpdump)
14:40:24.180347 13-72-70-208.uniplex.us.ssh 
georgia.static.qwest.net.61282: P 5820:5984(164) ack 53 win 17520 (DF)
[tos 0x10]

and my ssh transfer is being tagged high throughput

(from tcpdump)
14:43:53.936143 13-72-70-208.uniplex.us.ssh 
georgia.static.qwest.net.2904: . 269868:271328(1460) ack 961 win 17520
(DF) [tos 0x8]

any suggestions on what im doing wrong?
thanks

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Re: ssh queue rules

2008-03-26 Thread Calomel
I believe your low queue is for ssh interactive traffic only. The high
queue is for bulk traffic like scp or sftp transfers.

If you watch your queues in pftop (page 8) you should see ssh traffic like
typed commands in the low queue and the rest goes to the high queue.

Hope this helps

  PF Config how to (pf.conf)
  http://calomel.org/pf_config.html

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:41:01PM -0700, Lord Sporkton wrote:
I have this rule in my PF
and its not working

everything just gets thrown into the high queue and nothing touches
the low queue

(this is from the output of pfctl -s rules)
pass in on em0 inet proto tcp from any to 208.70.72.13 port = ssh
flags S/SA modulate state (source-track rule, max-src-conn-rate 3/30,
overload ssh-attack, src.track 30) queue(low, high)

my ssh is being set with lowdelay

(from tcpdump)
14:40:24.180347 13-72-70-208.uniplex.us.ssh 
georgia.static.qwest.net.61282: P 5820:5984(164) ack 53 win 17520 (DF)
[tos 0x10]

and my ssh transfer is being tagged high throughput

(from tcpdump)
14:43:53.936143 13-72-70-208.uniplex.us.ssh 
georgia.static.qwest.net.2904: . 269868:271328(1460) ack 961 win 17520
(DF) [tos 0x8]

any suggestions on what im doing wrong?
thanks

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Re: ssh queue rules

2008-03-26 Thread Lord Sporkton
I was watching my queus via pfctl -vvs queues
Per the man page

 when a second one is specified it will instead be used for packets
which have a TOS of lowdelay and for TCP ACKs with no data payload

so i believe bulk would go to low as its the first queue listed, and
interactive would go to high as its the second queue listed.

On 26/03/2008, Calomel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I believe your low queue is for ssh interactive traffic only. The high
  queue is for bulk traffic like scp or sftp transfers.

  If you watch your queues in pftop (page 8) you should see ssh traffic like
  typed commands in the low queue and the rest goes to the high queue.

  Hope this helps

   PF Config how to (pf.conf)
   http://calomel.org/pf_config.html


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  On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:41:01PM -0700, Lord Sporkton wrote:
  I have this rule in my PF
  and its not working
  
  everything just gets thrown into the high queue and nothing touches
  the low queue
  
  (this is from the output of pfctl -s rules)
  pass in on em0 inet proto tcp from any to 208.70.72.13 port = ssh
  flags S/SA modulate state (source-track rule, max-src-conn-rate 3/30,
  overload ssh-attack, src.track 30) queue(low, high)
  
  my ssh is being set with lowdelay
  
  (from tcpdump)
  14:40:24.180347 13-72-70-208.uniplex.us.ssh 
  georgia.static.qwest.net.61282: P 5820:5984(164) ack 53 win 17520 (DF)
  [tos 0x10]
  
  and my ssh transfer is being tagged high throughput
  
  (from tcpdump)
  14:43:53.936143 13-72-70-208.uniplex.us.ssh 
  georgia.static.qwest.net.2904: . 269868:271328(1460) ack 961 win 17520
  (DF) [tos 0x8]
  
  any suggestions on what im doing wrong?
  thanks
  
  --
  -Lawrence



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OpenBSD !GSoC

2008-03-26 Thread raven
Hi, like subject, i would to know why OpenBSD do not partecipate to 
Google Summer of Code. Exist a reasonable reason?


I already search on FAQ but no answer about this :)

[raven]



Re: OpenBSD !GSoC

2008-03-26 Thread Damien Miller
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, raven wrote:

 Hi, like subject, i would to know why OpenBSD do not partecipate to Google
 Summer of Code. Exist a reasonable reason?

I wanted to get some candidate projects proposed for OpenSSH but I wasn't
organised in time.

-d



Re: OpenBSD !GSoC

2008-03-26 Thread Chris Kuethe
Google is the ultimate arbitrator of mentoring organizations. You may
find the following sections of the GSoC faq useful

http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_mentoring_orgs
http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_org_eligible
http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_org_types
http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-organization-selection-criteria

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:15 PM, raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, like subject, i would to know why OpenBSD do not partecipate to
  Google Summer of Code. Exist a reasonable reason?

  I already search on FAQ but no answer about this :)

  [raven]





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Re: BSD Documentation License?

2008-03-26 Thread Ted Walther

[snip]

(The 2/3-term BSD license meant to do basically the same, but it used
more words to do the same.  The old 4-term BSD license included some
terms to make University of California benefit from advertising, if
there was going to be any.)


I have been generating midi, ogg, pdf, and mp3 files of some old,
out-of-copyright music.  I have been releasing them and the source that
generates them under the Creative Commons license.

Do you recommend the 3 term BSD license for this particular use instead?
Or would the 2 term one be better?

[snip]

Please avoid using that creativecommons bullshit for anything -- it it
tries to hide the fundamentals and simplicity of basic copyright law
behind the massive complexity of US-centric contract law and the
various terminology normally tied to tit for tat.  In the end,
creativecommons licenses will only ever truly benefit one group of
people on this planet: The lawyers.


[snip]

And that is  exactly what creativecommons tries to  do.  2300 words to
say you must say I wrote it?  There is only one reason it could take
2300 words: The goal is to deceive.


Amen brother.  Tell it like it is.

Ted

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