ntfs support on amd64?
Hello everybody When I try to mount a ntfs partition, mount /dev/sd1i /mnt/win I get: mount_ntfs: /dev/sd1i on /mnt/x: Operation not supported I formated it with Windows 7. It works on windows and ubuntu linux. Any ideas on this? I'm running openbsd 4.8. on amd64. ntfs is supposed to be there (http://openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#foreignfs). # dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #182: Mon Aug 16 09:02:40 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC RTC BIOS diagnostic error 80clock_battery real mem = 2946756608 (2810MB) avail mem = 2854522880 (2722MB) Thanks much, marc
Re: ntfs support on amd64?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:00:43 +0200, marc m...@4qm.org wrote: Hello everybody Hi, When I try to mount a ntfs partition, mount /dev/sd1i /mnt/win I get: mount_ntfs: /dev/sd1i on /mnt/x: Operation not supported I formated it with Windows 7. It works on windows and ubuntu linux. Any ideas on this? Maybe you need to build a custom kernel ? Look : Once you have determined which partition it is you want to use, you can move to the final step: mounting the filesystem contained in it. Most filesystems are supported in the GENERIC kernel: just have a look at the kernel configuration file, located in the /usr/src/sys/arch/arch/conf directory. If you want to use one of the filesystems not supported in GENERIC, you will need to build a custom kernel. I'm running openbsd 4.8. on amd64. ntfs is supposed to be there (http://openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#foreignfs). # dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #182: Mon Aug 16 09:02:40 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC RTC BIOS diagnostic error 80clock_battery real mem = 2946756608 (2810MB) avail mem = 2854522880 (2722MB) Thanks much, marc Guillaume.
Re: ntfs support on amd64?
On 21/04/2011, at 7:36 PM, Guillaume Duali wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:00:43 +0200, marc m...@4qm.org wrote: Hello everybody Hi, When I try to mount a ntfs partition, mount /dev/sd1i /mnt/win I get: mount_ntfs: /dev/sd1i on /mnt/x: Operation not supported I formated it with Windows 7. It works on windows and ubuntu linux. Any ideas on this? Maybe you need to build a custom kernel ? Yes, NTFS is not on by default in amd64 in 4.8. $ dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Nov 18 10:51:27 NZDT 2010 xxx...@x.yy.co.nz:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC ... /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/conf/GENERIC #option NTFS# Experimental NTFS support And this was discussed a month ago ... http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=129951700232105w=2 Look : Once you have determined which partition it is you want to use, you can move to the final step: mounting the filesystem contained in it. Most filesystems are supported in the GENERIC kernel: just have a look at the kernel configuration file, located in the /usr/src/sys/arch/arch/conf directory. If you want to use one of the filesystems not supported in GENERIC, you will need to build a custom kernel. I'm running openbsd 4.8. on amd64. ntfs is supposed to be there (http://openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#foreignfs). Some of that info is for 4.9 ... HTH. # dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #182: Mon Aug 16 09:02:40 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC RTC BIOS diagnostic error 80clock_battery real mem = 2946756608 (2810MB) avail mem = 2854522880 (2722MB) Thanks much, marc Guillaume.
Re: issues with acer aspire one (now tested with -current)
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:54:17PM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote: 2. no sound --- Still no sound Like reported lasted time, this may be due to the 'azalia' driver being used instead of the 'auich' driver. I deduced this before since sound worked under Linux where the audio device as Intel Corp N10/ICH 7 Family HD Audio Controller (rev 02). So, if ICH7 is needed, then that implies it should be the 'auich' driver, right? no. azalia(4) supports the HD audio interface on ich. see azalia(4). there's perhaps a gpio that controls eapd or somesuch. can you please send the output of '# pcidump -x 0:27:0' ? thanks for including a dmesg. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: ntfs support on amd64?
Hi http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=129951700232105w=2 It was confusing to me... /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/conf/GENERIC #option NTFS# Experimental NTFS support This is the perfect answer. Thanks! On 04/21/11 10:15, Richard Toohey wrote: On 21/04/2011, at 7:36 PM, Guillaume Duali wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:00:43 +0200, marcm...@4qm.org wrote: Hello everybody Hi, When I try to mount a ntfs partition, mount /dev/sd1i /mnt/win I get: mount_ntfs: /dev/sd1i on /mnt/x: Operation not supported I formated it with Windows 7. It works on windows and ubuntu linux. Any ideas on this? Maybe you need to build a custom kernel ? Yes, NTFS is not on by default in amd64 in 4.8. $ dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Nov 18 10:51:27 NZDT 2010 xxx...@x.yy.co.nz:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC ... /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/conf/GENERIC #option NTFS# Experimental NTFS support And this was discussed a month ago ... http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=129951700232105w=2 Look : Once you have determined which partition it is you want to use, you can move to the final step: mounting the filesystem contained in it. Most filesystems are supported in the GENERIC kernel: just have a look at the kernel configuration file, located in the /usr/src/sys/arch/arch/conf directory. If you want to use one of the filesystems not supported in GENERIC, you will need to build a custom kernel. I'm running openbsd 4.8. on amd64. ntfs is supposed to be there (http://openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#foreignfs). Some of that info is for 4.9 ... HTH. # dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #182: Mon Aug 16 09:02:40 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC RTC BIOS diagnostic error 80clock_battery real mem = 2946756608 (2810MB) avail mem = 2854522880 (2722MB) Thanks much, marc Guillaume.
Re: Compiling OpenBSD source in order to get the customized 'uname' version.
On Apr 20 19:33:06, Stefan N wrote: Hi All, I have a plan to do some testing to compile and build release of OpenBSD from the source code. My question is which part of the source code do I need to modify in order to get and use the my own and customized 'uname' (eg: TestBSD)? # uname -a TestBSD server.lab.com 1.0-RELEASE GENERIC.MP#0 amd64 Thank you in advance. Regards, Stefanus I remember seeing a source code of something for the first time. I recognized the string constants, changed press enter to press boobs (or whatever) and recompiled. The result was absolutely awesome.
Re: Compiling OpenBSD source in order to get the customized 'uname' version.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 07:33:06PM -0700, Stefan N wrote: Hi All, I have a plan to do some testing to compile and build release of OpenBSD from the source code. My question is which part of the source code do I need to modify in order to get and use the my own and customized 'uname' (eg: TestBSD)? # uname -a TestBSD server.lab.com 1.0-RELEASE GENERIC.MP#0 amd64 Thank you in advance. Regards, Stefanus What problem are you trying to solve? Changing the ostype will likely cause all kind of trouble with configure scripts etc. -Otto
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Re: issues with acer aspire one (now tested with -current)
On 04/21/11 05:50, Jacob Meuser wrote: no. azalia(4) supports the HD audio interface on ich. see azalia(4). there's perhaps a gpio that controls eapd or somesuch. can you please send the output of '# pcidump -x 0:27:0' ? thanks for including a dmesg. # pcidump -x 0:27:0 0:27:0: Intel 82801GB HD Audio 0x: 27d88086 0016 04030002 0010 0x0010: 5824 0x0020: 03491025 0x0030: 0050 010b Thanks for showing interest.
Re: Sun blade 1500 experiences ?
Yeeey I ended up losing the auction, but got a sun fire v210 instead. -- Christiano Farina HAESBAERT Do NOT send me html mail.
make build failure
Hi,
I didn't make build for few years now, but usually never had issues with
it. Is anyone aware of folloing build errors, or may have a hunch where
did I screw up?
=== libstdc++-v3
c++ -O2 -pipe -g -DIN_GLIBCPP_V3 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../libstdc++-v3/
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++
-I/home/users/mik
olaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/gcc
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/gcc/gcc/include
-I/home/users/m
ikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../libiberty/include -I.
-frandom-seed=RepeatabilityConsideredGood -DIN_GLIBCPP_V3 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -
I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/gcc
-I/home/users/mikolaj/s
rc/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/gcc/gcc/include
-I/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include
-I/h
ome/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../libiberty/include -I.
-frandom-seed=RepeatabilityConsideredGood -fno-implicit-templates
-ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wno-deprecated -fno-implicit-template
s -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wno-deprecated -idirafter
/home/users/mikolaj/dst/usr/include/g++ -nostdinc -idirafter
/home/users/mikolaj/dst/usr/include -c
/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-
v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/src/bitmap_allocator.cc -o bitmap_allocator.o
In file included from
/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include/ext/bitmap_allocator.h:37,
from
/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/src/bitmap_allocator.cc:30:
/home/users/mikolaj/dst/usr/include/g++/cstddef:50:28: error: bits/c++config.h:
No such file or directory
In file included from
/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include/ext/bitmap_allocator.h:43,
from
/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/src/bitmap_allocator.cc:30:
/home/users/mikolaj/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++-v3/../../gcc/libstdc++-v3/include/ext/concurrence.h:41:24:
error: bits/gthr.h: No such file or directory
$ locate bits/gthr.h
/usr/include/g++/i386-unknown-openbsd4.9/bits/gthr.h
$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-unknown-openbsd4.9/4.2.1/specs
Target: i386-unknown-openbsd4.9
Configured with: OpenBSD/i386 system compiler
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.2.1 20070719
Snapshot is quite recent
$ ls -l /usr/lib/libc.so.58.1
-r--r--r-- 1 root bin 2522304 Apr 21 04:20 /usr/lib/libc.so.58.1
# /etc/mk.conf
DEBUG = -g
INSTALL_STRIP =
STRIP = /usr/bin/true
BSDOBJDIR = /home/users/mikolaj/obj
BSDSRCDIR = /home/users/mikolaj/src
The build script
#!/bin/sh
export DESTDIR=/home/users/mikolaj/dst
export RELEASEDIR=/home/users/mikolaj/rel
export STRIP=/usr/bin/true
export INSTALL_STRIP=
sudo rm -rf /home/users/mikolaj/src \
/home/users/mikolaj/obj \
${DESTDIR} ${RELEASEDIR}
mkdir -p /home/users/mikolaj/src \
/home/users/mikolaj/obj \
${DESTDIR} ${RELEASEDIR}
lndir /usr/src /home/users/mikolaj/src
cd /home/users/mikolaj/src \
make obj 21 | tee ~/log.make-obj
cd /home/users/mikolaj/src/etc \
sudo make distrib-dirs 21 | tee ~/log.dirs
cd /home/users/mikolaj/src \
make SUDO=sudo build 21 | tee ~/log.build
--
best regards
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Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 04/21/11 04:12, Theo de Raadt wrote: Please don't take this offensively as it touches a sensitive area. Right. We should not be offended when you say You are not getting any sales because you don't do enough. Do more. Benny's proposal is good! License the CD's as 10, 50, 100 user license set, exactly like you do for the old CDs which are $500+. This way OpenBSD taps into the commercial market. Commercial users buy the commercial CDs. Don't be ridiculous. Commercial users don't do that because OpenBSD is already free. They are not fools. Perhaps there are a few who are asking for specific methods where they can help fund us, within their constraints, but that is not nearly the same as get rich quick. They are an outstanding few, and they are not real commercial users. Even with proper deductable donation structures in place (ie. the OpenBSD Foundation) large corporations that are using OpenSSH in their products have given less than pennies per product. The world is not a shiny throw money around place as you think. Last time around somebody asked for packages on DVD. OpenBSD gets pre-orders a month in advance and if so many people want i386/amd64/etc package DVDs, just give it to them! MacOS + Linux + OpenSolaris has done some work on fat binaries, and I am sure with the expertise around here it can be done within some reasonable time. What a kick-ass project that would be! I understand that this is another form of saying do not do enough. We should do more. We should make a DVD, spend money on manufacturing it and packaging it, have people like Bob who is working on the 'buffer flipping' code instead go add more entries to the web page, and then see it if works. See if more than 50 sell. And what if it is a loss. And hey, every 6 months we can do *more work* to build yet another product! Anyway, wouldn't it be cool to reduce the bandwidth and hard drive usage for mirrors and simplify life for everybody? It might be news to you that the mirrors do that for free. A survey is free from so many websites. We get spammed all the time, participate in this and that, why not host a survey right now someplace on openbsd.org or one of the devs websites and see how much interest is really there. Yes, we should build a survey. And a wiki. It would be awesome. We'd get rich. OpenBSD got to be able to have more income streams. Income? I see that you have made a list of things of more things we should do. I don't see gauranteed income in there, anywhere. I can't even get the guys who hack on the project coordinated to work on the 49.html page so that we can get a ANNOUNCEMENT file ready for the upcoming file, because it isn't code, and it isn't as much fun. So you come here telling us we should do more? Get real. I don't do business, but I have more business sense than you. This is a good security minded response : don't expect more, don't count on it. This is coming from a trusted source but not necessarily opposed to the actual proposition. Business sense is good but I get that business is not just about preventing failure but also exploiting the features of the outer world, and the wonderfully informative and intricate laws API. Maybe it could use some full disclosure as well. There has to be some kind of |ber geek enjoying that ; business models are something to hack and debug, on and on, up to the details of the products you release and sell. As long as it costs less than it brings in for funding what wrong could it do ? I'm not saying it can happen, there is no failure in not trying unless you had to try, right ? -- Thomas de Grivel
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
There has to be some kind of |ber geek enjoying that ; business models are something to hack and debug, on and on, up to the details of the products you release and sell. I'd love to go fix the sii3114 wdc(4) bug, and work with the other developers in the group to push ~10 important changes into the tree so that they make 5.0 but sorry... I should go 'hack some business models' instead? As long as it costs less than it brings in for funding what wrong could it do ? It costs time. Go do an install of OpenBSD 3.0 to understand the point.
Re: Sun blade 1500 experiences ?
The specs on it are sweet. http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=16723580 A little reference for setting up the video output. --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: From: Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org Subject: Re: Sun blade 1500 experiences ? To: Super Biscuit super_bisq...@yahoo.com Cc: OpenBSD Questions misc@openbsd.org Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 3:18 PM Yeeey I ended up losing the auction, but got a sun fire v210 instead. -- Christiano Farina HAESBAERT Do NOT send me html mail.
[NEW] net/openconnect
Please be gentle... this is my first ever port. From the site: OpenConnect is a client for Cisco's AnyConnect SSL VPN, which is supported by the ASA5500 Series, by IOS 12.4(9)T or later on Cisco SR500, 870, 880, 1800, 2800, 3800, 7200 Series and Cisco 7301 Routers, and probably others. OpenConnect is released under the GNU Lesser Public License, version 2.1. I used an earlier port of 2.26, and recently just saw that 3.02 was released a few days ago (4-19-2011). Please test. I have tested it on i386 and amd64. Works great to my office's Cisco ASA VPN. Thanks to Landry Bruell for straightening me out on the LIBDEPENDS in my old makefile. And thanks for Jiri B. for the original... Comments are suggested... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-gzip which had a name of openconnect-3.02.tar.gz]
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Hi, On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:49:45 -0600 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: As long as it costs less than it brings in for funding what wrong could it do ? It costs time. Go do an install of OpenBSD 3.0 to understand the point. How about a new product: OpenBSD license for one machine, without media. This way it could be made tax-deductible even for europeans, and there won't be production and shipping cost. Yes, I know, this one also takes some time, so probably not really worth it... -- Greetings Rafal Bisingier
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
how about donate oh, that was already done... http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html - - - feed the trolls wire transfer http://www.openbsd.org/bank-donation.html credit card https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/donations paypal https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=paypal%40openbsd.orgitem_name=OpenBSD+Donationno_shipping=1 or manually: paypal Email: pay...@openbsd.org And make your own part number up. AND BTW, I just donated something, just think if every troll feeder put it $25 for each post. On 4/21/2011 4:15 PM, Rafal Bisingier wrote: Hi, On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:49:45 -0600 Theo de Raadtdera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: As long as it costs less than it brings in for funding what wrong could it do ? It costs time. Go do an install of OpenBSD 3.0 to understand the point. How about a new product: OpenBSD license for one machine, without media. This way it could be made tax-deductible even for europeans, and there won't be production and shipping cost. Yes, I know, this one also takes some time, so probably not really worth it...
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
2011/4/21 Rafal Bisingier ra...@man.poznan.pl: How about a new product: OpenBSD license for one machine, without media. If it's so cool, why aren't you selling it?
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
I'm late to read this thread but I just want to say I'm very grateful for all the work you've done, specially because you don't confuse me with business tricks. About business, I dont think you should expect people to be 'good', but I also think that when what you are doing makes good to people, it isn't that hard to make them feel uncomfortable. I would suggest making donation 'buttons' ominipresent when you navigate openbsd.org. Put it visible in places that people will need: download, documentation. For example, I'm quite on a budget but for example wikipedia.org completely got me. I use it so often that I couldn't read any more 'we need your donations' and ignore it when there was no more advertising on the site. My five cents, marc
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 21/04/2011, at 12:07 PM, Benny Lofgren wrote: I'm sure this has been brought up before, but is there a way to buy licenses without actually getting the CD:s? There is a fundamental underlying problem with this. The OpenBSD code is free. That is one of the principles of the project (as far as I can guess. I'm not involved personaly, so its only my opinion). The price charged for the CD is the cost of the media + the costs of producing and marketing it + overheads of the company which produces it. The contents are free. If you subtract the media, then what is there left to sell? Just order as many as you want and bin the excess. What really is being wasted?, A wee bit of plastic, traces of other materials and a small amount of energy used to produce it. A company that runs a big neon sign overnight is probably wasting more than that. Who knows, maybe the extra funds going to the project will result in additional energy savings that will far outweigh the 'wastage' in producing some extra cds. paulm
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Paul M l...@no-tek.com wrote: Just order as many as you want and bin the excess. Order 1 with your shipping address, then order N - 1 with Richard Stallman's address. Problem solved.
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Re: OpenBSD-Wiki.org
I can donate time and VPS access for storage. Hate to see the project die On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 07:46, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: e ( 2011e944f 19f %f f d: o Wayne Oliver wayn0...@gmail.com e i o -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Apr 2011, at 5:22 PM, Kenny wrote: Due to an circumstances beyond my control, I'm not longer able to host / maintain /work with OpenBSD-Wiki.org. I was in the process of updating it when some personal issues came up. I'm interested in passing this off to someone else who may be interested. I'll help migrate it, get things back up and going -- if help is needed / wanted. I'm not subscribed to the list, so send an email to this email. -- Kennith (Kenny) Mann Hey B Kenny, If nobody else has offered, I will be willing to take this over. I can help too if needed. I can run a slave dns on my openbsd server and linux vps. And I know a few things about HTML/php/webdev and what not. -- g):g.1e /h2/g )c f71h07e /e.9f04c -- Nicholas Schmidt oneguyn...@gmail.com P: 661.724.6438
Re: Sun blade 1500 experiences ?
I have one of the Sun Blade 1500 sitting right next to me. Loud as a jet engine and heavy. The SunPCI cards they shipped with are worthless in anything but Solaris 10, but overall the machine works great. I did have issues with the video card in X with OpenBSD, but console only worked fine On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 13:57, Super Biscuit super_bisq...@yahoo.comwrote: The specs on it are sweet. http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=16723580 A little reference for setting up the video output. --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: From: Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org Subject: Re: Sun blade 1500 experiences ? To: Super Biscuit super_bisq...@yahoo.com Cc: OpenBSD Questions misc@openbsd.org Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 3:18 PM Yeeey I ended up losing the auction, but got a sun fire v210 instead. -- Christiano Farina HAESBAERT Do NOT send me html mail. -- Nicholas Schmidt oneguyn...@gmail.com P: 661.724.6438
Re: laptop questions/comments
I purchased a Lenovo u150. Every device other than bluetooth work great in OpenBSD 4.8 and higher. Even the webcam works for video chat. Great little laptop that is 64bit capable, small, better screen resolution than the older thinkpads, and cheap Nick On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 16:20, Clint Pachl pa...@ecentryx.com wrote: STeve Andre' wrote: On 04/15/11 19:03, Paul M wrote: Hi all, It's time for a new OpenBSD laptop, and I have a couple of questions. Note that I dont want to spend money on performance I dont need, but I do want to spend money on a decent quality machine. First, finding quality machines in the backwoods where I live is really hard. The shops seem full of rubbish. Various retailers suggest either Toshiba or Asus. Does anybody have any comments on these brands in general? I'll admit to a psychological block against Toshiba, but I have no idea where it came from, it could be completely bogus. Second, One I've found which seems a good fit is the Toshiba Satellite Pro C650 (with the celeron cpu, not the i3). Anybody using one of these with OpenBSD? I stuck a 4.8 release CD in, and the dmesg indicated problems with these devices (sorry for the vagueness, I was scribbling down stuff in the store. I can get better info if it's required)- Intel GM45 Attansic something - 0x2060 - the 10/100 wired ethernet SMBus ehci1 timed out waiting for bios There was also a message at the end that suggested that wd1 was not available. Anybody know how things have improved with these devices since 4.8, and which are showstoppers? The camera and audio also appeared to have limited or no support, but I dont care about those. Thanks for any input paulm Definitely use a 4.9-current CD. New things are supported all the time, so go with the best version of OpenBSD. I get hornswoggled all too often in helping folks with their laptops, and I'm really saddened with the quality of the hardware, overall. The Lenovo ThinkPads (NOT the other brands that Lenovo has) have consistently been the best laptops out there, in terms of quality, serviceability, and life-span. The $400 laptop can be considered a throwaway unit. Few of the bargin laptops friends bought in 2009 are working today. If you look at the Lenovo site you'll see the T series. A T420i is $799 with a 1 year warranty. Thats more money than a $499 laptop, but it is likely to work several years from now. --STeve Andre' I second the Thinkpads. I recently upgraded from a T22 to a T61 (Core2 Duo, 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM). It cost me about 400 USD for the like-new laptop, docking station, and a brand new 8GB SSD (all on Ebay). All I had to do was replace the CPU fan and install the SSD. I run amd64 -current. All the relevant hardware works very well. I run cwm(1), xterm, tmux, Gimp, Chromium, Firefox, Seamonkey-Mail. It's a very fast system, way more computer than I need and will last me many years, as my T22 did. -- Nicholas Schmidt oneguyn...@gmail.com P: 661.724.6438
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Surely there are two separate problems here: 1) you think OpenBSD needs to work to open up loopholes so that people who aren't donating or aren't donating as much because of tax reasons will now do so (and Amit thinks this is a series of technical problems that can be solved by non-strategic and sometimes non-sensical deliverables, such as finding a way to license distribution of a product that in its original distribution requires no license, which looks more like a tax avoidance or money laundering scheme than a legitimate fundraising tool and in any case not like anything that sentients will pay for in substantial numbers); and 2) you personally would like to give more, it's just that your tax accountant can't find a way. Maybe we could add a scheme where people pay OpenBSD for each time they don't send mail to misc, even though they really want to? Or when they mail misc and realise a few replies later they really ought to have thought better of it? Or when they flame the hell out of someone on misc and feel a lot better for it. There have to be the rudiments of a previously undiscovered licensing, royalty, or subscription scheme in there somewhere. Maybe you could consult Apple and discover that OpenBSD should demand 30% of your monthly bills for Internet access from your ISP(s), on the view that you wouldn't use the Internet if it weren't for OpenBSD. ;-, Bayard On 21 Apr 2011, at 02:33, Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2011-04-21 02.51, Marco Peereboom wrote: When ordering a CD it lets you tack on a donation. Call it 20 CDs and tax life is good. Yes I know, but as I tried to explain it doesn't help me if the receipt says donation or anything like it. You clearly don't know my accountant... :-) A simple multi-license article on the order form with a proper article text on the invoice would let me donate while keeping my accountant happy, as well as avoiding paying more taxes than necessary. - or - Order 20 CDs, give 19 away. Not very hard... I don't think I can muster 19 willing recipients of a gift CD set among my friends to be honest... :-/ Besides, it may sound silly but I really don't like to waste resources, be it my money, someone elses or some finite natural resource (CD:s don't grow on trees, do they? :-) ). Really, I'd happily pay the same price for one CD set plus n-1 CD-less licenses (and hopefully get the same volume discount as well), and it would be a true win-win for everyone. Regards, /Benny [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Apr 2011, at 11:55 PM, Paul M wrote: On 21/04/2011, at 12:07 PM, Benny Lofgren wrote: I'm sure this has been brought up before, but is there a way to buy licenses without actually getting the CD:s? There is a fundamental underlying problem with this. The OpenBSD code is free. That is one of the principles of the project (as far as I can guess. I'm not involved personaly, so its only my opinion). The price charged for the CD is the cost of the media + the costs of producing and marketing it + overheads of the company which produces it. The contents are free. If you subtract the media, then what is there left to sell? Just order as many as you want and bin the excess. What really is being wasted?, A wee bit of plastic, traces of other materials and a small amount of energy used to produce it. A company that runs a big neon sign overnight is probably wasting more than that. Who knows, maybe the extra funds going to the project will result in additional energy savings that will far outweigh the 'wastage' in producing some extra cds. paulm Agreed but, I stil like the idea of passing the cds on, drop them at a school if you don't know anybody who wants them? wayno iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNsLLKAAoJENzqTnPMiNZlmS8IAMMOeyAlc6tVOurz2/Nxa3ZV iypaRs0R2c3nCABAzIooSIHC7NFXeloEDdNqhPqEvqIBz++mXNuCFsM2CHaAfMTX DZq0p+HurAsZ8QYhjoC6Xy2fGTB9wwrflM+o93O9SWULHTRsIxl6v/Vg5cLiSdaI TE5zqght5TQUdEL1ioXOmHHj7NxvWUy6L4kgqtcKy7eZqK1xGYD0YiFrzFTdfae5 EgYHxahwFY2LPNy7/y5hokgXmfS2GQpxJwV9gGQzkYZmq9FCwB36soXWYV5bbSTi LHsfS0uW3TVk+4kBHo8+iLANg8cHoHQFsb+K0mRWXO9oPGNMt3zUutu+jCOpkJ4= =Nfud -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: make build failure
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Mikolaj Kucharski miko...@kucharski.name wrote: I didn't make build for few years now, but usually never had issues with it. Is anyone aware of folloing build errors, or may have a hunch where did I screw up? ... #!/bin/sh export DESTDIR=/home/users/mikolaj/dst export RELEASEDIR=/home/users/mikolaj/rel ... cd /home/users/mikolaj/src \ make obj 21 | tee ~/log.make-obj cd /home/users/mikolaj/src/etc \ sudo make distrib-dirs 21 | tee ~/log.dirs cd /home/users/mikolaj/src \ make SUDO=sudo build 21 | tee ~/log.build Doing a plain make build with DESTDIR set is not supported. It used to--by coincidence--work, but with the move to gcc4 it broke and we're not interested in fixing it. The supported path is described in the release(8) manpage. Philip Guenther
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 4/21/11 6:49 PM, J Sisson wrote: Order 1 with your shipping address, then order N - 1 with Richard Stallman's address. Problem solved. Brilliant! I hadn't thought of that, it's almost as good as http://xkcd.com/225
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 04/19/11 16:10, Miod Vallat wrote: So if you want to contribute but don't know what to get, get a CD set (or several!). Noone will mind if you frame them and hang them on your wall; it's the thought which counts. Miod I'm gonna hate myself for this, but if it sends money to the project, it's worth it... I hereby declare OpenBSD CD sets to be The Next Beanie Baby/Webkins/iProduct thing. It's new, its trendy, and in six months, you need a new one. (that's how this works, right? Someone, somewhere declares that some toy or thing is the Must Have for the season, and all the world lines up to buy it? Gotta be something like that, let's see if I can make it work...) You HAVE to have one. Your friends with them will thumb their noses at you if you don't have one. Once you have one, you will be able to (and be expected to) look down on your poor, unfortunate pathetic excuse for friends that DON'T have one of their own. Heck, you won't even admit knowing them in polite company. Your kids will be laughed at by their peers who's parents have bought them an OpenBSD CD set, YOU will be responsible for the psychological trauma they experience for not having THE Latest Release on CD. Forcing your kids to share a CD set is not an option; remember, THEY will chose your nursing home. It's one per kid. And one for your spouse, too. You WILL line up to put your order in the moment Theo activates pre-orders in the future, including taking off work the day before it is rumored that Theo will activate pre-orders, so you can spend the day hitting Reload on your browser [note to self: talk to Theo about leaking pre-order day], and you will run as fast as you can to buy copies now. You WILL buy this release because it is better than the past releases. You will buy the next release because it is better than this release. You will NOT wait for the next release, you will buy this one. Remember, there are limited quantities of CDs available at any one instant, look at what that 2.4 CD is going for now. I know *I* wish I had bought one a while back. A friend of mine has an OpenBSD 2.0 CD set he bought when it first came out. He's...you know, SO COOL! (Hi, C.L.! :) He is CLEARLY better than me, because I didn't buy OpenBSD CDs until 2.6. Don't wait until the 4.9 disks are gone forever (or until Theo decides to make another run), get yours now! Slightly more seriously... Unlike the Beanie Babies and Webkins and iProducts, this actually matters to the world. You all know what it means to have a team producing an entire OS where the goal is nothing short of perfection, not a little better than Windows, where all software has bugs is something to change, not a statement of resignation and justification for status quo. Even if you don't use OpenBSD for everything, you realize that OpenBSD has helped raise the bar. So, how much money did you waste on Beanie Babies? Webkins? How much time did you or someone you know spend waiting in line for the latest one that just came out? (multiply by your hourly wage). Send it in as a donation with your CD purchase, and make the world a better place, not just with more damned stuffed toys. Nick.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:03:03 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: On 04/19/11 16:10, Miod Vallat wrote: So if you want to contribute but don't know what to get, get a CD set (or several!). Noone will mind if you frame them and hang them on your wall; it's the thought which counts. Miod I'm gonna hate myself for this, but if it sends money to the project, it's worth it... I hereby declare OpenBSD CD sets to be The Next Beanie Baby/Webkins/iProduct thing. It's new, its trendy, and in six months, you need a new one. (that's how this works, right? Someone, somewhere declares that some toy or thing is the Must Have for the season, and all the world lines up to buy it? Gotta be something like that, let's see if I can make it work...) You HAVE to have one. Your friends with them will thumb their noses at you if you don't have one. Once you have one, you will be able to (and be expected to) look down on your poor, unfortunate pathetic excuse for friends that DON'T have one of their own. Heck, you won't even admit knowing them in polite company. Your kids will be laughed at by their peers who's parents have bought them an OpenBSD CD set, YOU will be responsible for the psychological trauma they experience for not having THE Latest Release on CD. Forcing your kids to share a CD set is not an option; remember, THEY will chose your nursing home. It's one per kid. And one for your spouse, too. You WILL line up to put your order in the moment Theo activates pre-orders in the future, including taking off work the day before it is rumored that Theo will activate pre-orders, so you can spend the day hitting Reload on your browser [note to self: talk to Theo about leaking pre-order day], and you will run as fast as you can to buy copies now. You WILL buy this release because it is better than the past releases. You will buy the next release because it is better than this release. You will NOT wait for the next release, you will buy this one. Remember, there are limited quantities of CDs available at any one instant, look at what that 2.4 CD is going for now. I know *I* wish I had bought one a while back. A friend of mine has an OpenBSD 2.0 CD set he bought when it first came out. He's...you know, SO COOL! (Hi, C.L.! :) He is CLEARLY better than me, because I didn't buy OpenBSD CDs until 2.6. Don't wait until the 4.9 disks are gone forever (or until Theo decides to make another run), get yours now! Slightly more seriously... Unlike the Beanie Babies and Webkins and iProducts, this actually matters to the world. You all know what it means to have a team producing an entire OS where the goal is nothing short of perfection, not a little better than Windows, where all software has bugs is something to change, not a statement of resignation and justification for status quo. Even if you don't use OpenBSD for everything, you realize that OpenBSD has helped raise the bar. So, how much money did you waste on Beanie Babies? Webkins? How much time did you or someone you know spend waiting in line for the latest one that just came out? (multiply by your hourly wage). Send it in as a donation with your CD purchase, and make the world a better place, not just with more damned stuffed toys. Nick. Bloody hell, Nick! TIC What are you doing wasting time near release day? Don't you have work to do on FAQ et c. ? Theo says that team members can't do all that business idea stuff and get their woek done as well. Besides, you are wasting your breath on that stupid idea. No-one will remember it in six or twelve months and the new team of ideas men will arrive. Will they have read the FA? Not on your nellie. /Toungue In Cheek (and just as well you know me!) *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:11:10PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: So if you want to contribute but don't know what to get, get a CD set Indeed, although I don't consider a CD-set to be a pure donation. They are quite useful (mutliple archs, src, packages, etc.) and it's so nice to have hard media around. And on the fun side, the themes are highly entertaining. (Who does the artwork? They've got real talent!) The shirts are durable and geeky, can't go wrong there either. Since you're going to get clothes anyway, it just makes sense to get some cool OpenBSD shirts. Nicolai
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 04/21/11 19:49, Theo de Raadt wrote: There has to be some kind of |ber geek enjoying that ; business models are something to hack and debug, on and on, up to the details of the products you release and sell. I'd love to go fix the sii3114 wdc(4) bug, and work with the other developers in the group to push ~10 important changes into the tree so that they make 5.0 but sorry... I should go 'hack some business models' instead? If there are hackers of that kind lurking somewhere, probably not on this list, some of them would eventually want to share the fun. As long as it costs less than it brings in for funding what wrong could it do ? It costs time. Go do an install of OpenBSD 3.0 to understand the point. It subtracts time but if it also multiplies by more than one, at some point that's worth it. I really do enjoy the time you make me gain and there is so much more after the installation too, that's why I really wish or accept to buy something. Maybe OpenBSD would also enjoy the time and funding gained from some other kind of hackers. People who reveal and exploit our willingness to buy things we like, and others who like to communicate an image in sync with the produced goods : a f*ing awesome piece of software, if you sirs allow me. That's what a newborn geek would almost hear from far away but most have no chance to realize why and how because they never hear something from OpenBSD itself (other than from www.openbsd.org) and some due RTFM from irc. I think people who like to learn tend to listen more than they speak, but you also need someone talking to you. I learned so much just reading on the @openbsd lists and I feel I should have heard of it much sooner. If I had discovered it a few years sooner maybe I would be a happy contributor by now. And the motto can be something as blunt as hack up or put up, if it's how it works that's how it should read, big. Maybe something that implies less giving away than _Free_, Functional Secure. Those who care about the price will know. Just saying it with no other background creates an identity you can share for the things you like and enjoy. I think that like when registering a domain name, you are registering an image in people's mind : stubborn and hackers who have no fear speaking up the wrongs and like to patch them. Maybe this is too heroic, people don't get why one would want to do this. And at some point make it clear that it is heavily underrated and needs funding. Actually this is already done we know it is underrated and there is plenty to read about OpenBSD but, only for those who already reached it. You have to reach the top to enjoy the view. Reaching it is really unlikely but really worth it. Also advocacy@ feels quite empty compared to misc@. Bootstrapping is the right term, more than meta cross compiling, but this is still all about partial evaluation and reversing/translating it. -- Thomas de Grivel
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 04/22/11 05:03, Nick Holland wrote: On 04/19/11 16:10, Miod Vallat wrote: So if you want to contribute but don't know what to get, get a CD set (or several!). Noone will mind if you frame them and hang them on your wall; it's the thought which counts. Miod I'm gonna hate myself for this, but if it sends money to the project, it's worth it... I hereby declare OpenBSD CD sets to be The Next Beanie Baby/Webkins/iProduct thing. It's new, its trendy, and in six months, you need a new one. (that's how this works, right? Someone, somewhere declares that some toy or thing is the Must Have for the season, and all the world lines up to buy it? Gotta be something like that, let's see if I can make it work...) Careful, you have to make it look like an accident ! -- Thomas de Grivel
