Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks
Hey Ingo, I think your example is a good example of people asking a question that doesn´t get carried over as a "go, do work dev". That is pretty ok I think. Asking about any future plans is a difference to demanding something/asking misc to implement stuff. For example, I had some serious issues getting wi-fi to work on several notebooks but asking misc why wi-fi isn´t working and if someone could actually solve the issue was no option to me, simply because I couldn´t even nail down where the actual issue was except for "driver problems and/or card not recognised". So I tried to get to a level where I gathered enough informations to ask a proper question. Now the problem is solved so my wi-fi issues are gone for good. :) Have a nice day and stay healthy. Fabian ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, 21. May 2020 01:43, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris Bennett wrote on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400: > > > Do the work, a WIP is OK and submit a diff. > > Not a bad idea, put your fingers where your mouth is! > > > Please don't ask for features, once again. > > Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! > > I disagree. > > About one third of the THANKS section of mandoc(1) release notes > typically consists of thanking people who asked for features. > > Heck, i have even used presentations at international conferences > to thank people who asked for features. > > As an example, i still fondly remember Paul Onyschuk's question > on August 9, 2014: > > "Are there any plans for providing a man(1) command also? This > would make mdocml a possible, standalone replacement for the groff > and man-db combination (typical in Linux distributions)." > > My first impulse was to reply "no, i dislike that idea". > Then i reconsidered, and less then three weeks later, it was done. > Nowadays, i could no longer imagine living without it. > > For details, see pages 40-44 (marked SURPRISE TOPIC) of these slides: > > https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-mandoc-slides.pdf > > The "thank you" mention in particular is on page 43. > > Yours, > Ingo publickey - flauenroth@protonmail.com - 0xD727BBC1.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Comments in source code
Pretty much this. I am a huge supporter of "useful documentation" but over 90% of what I read either code, techbooks, manuals, the list goes on is written by people who don´t know how to do it properly. OpenBSDs code is clean though as far as I can judge. I read through the whole thing simply for educational purposes and it was a wild ride I have learned a lot doing it and forgot a lot again but it was nice and it´s not often nowadays that you read code and can be quite certain that it is "written to work" and not written to be patched, hotfixed, savaged and whatnot. Read it, understand it, follow @tech and maybe there is a chance to start a discussion about something you understood and don´t agree with. So far I am reading @tech for like 2years, understand a few things and get lost on a lot of things but it´s mostly educational. :) ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, 24. April 2020 07:36, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 05:38:40PM -0400, Aisha Tammy wrote: > > > Thanks a lot for responding, I've had some food so am feeling a lot less > > frustrated :D > > > > > On 4/23/20 12:10 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > It's often considered better if code is clear enough to stand by itself, > > > keeping comments for the less common cases which can't be figured out > > > from reading the code. And that way you aren't at risk of assuming > > > > But like, not all code is simple enough to understand by just reading it. > > Comments can do more than just explain api, they can help explain > > how the code itself is working. > > I have been reading diff, sdiff diff3 and other string algorithms to > > understand > > how to make it as fast as their GNU counterparts and they are not the > > simplest > > to read, even when knowing the actual string algorithms pretty well. > > If reading the code isn't enough and you see parts you don't understand, > then break those parts. See what happens. Find out why it was done. > You might find out that the code at that spot doesn't even work > correctly. You might figure out a way to fix it or eliminate it. > Perhaps submit a diff. > From your work, you may be able to ask a very specific question. > Specific questions are more likely to be answered. If someone knows the > answer AND also has the time and desire to help. > > You may also find that the old way was great back in older versions of > OpenBSD, but no longer the best way due to changes in the OS. > > > > If you aren't already, you should be looking at commit messages from > > > where the relevant code was touched. That is often where you'll find the > > > explanations you seek. > > > > I have been reading them, Commit messages don't explain algorithms very > > clearly. > > I agree this is a very specific use case but definitely something that > > could be improved. > > Some of the things I've been considering useful (in this specific scenario > > for diff3) > > > > - explanation for merge function, what it does > > - in merge function, explain how empty for loop is used, as this is a > > very big loop > > with a lot of cases > > > > Are you reading commit messages far enough back in time? OpenBSD is a > fork of NetBSD. Maybe you will need to go back much further in time to > find the commit message or discussion that lead up to today. > > I strongly support comments, very strongly. But only when needed. > Explanations are better coming from someone who can discuss with you or > might only be available from you working it out for yourself. > This is a volunteer project. Comments don't get compiled, but they do > take up space, disk space and bandwidth space. > > Have fun, work hard and enjoy yourself. > There are some excellent threads about these topics in the mailing > lists. > > Chris Bennett publickey - flauenroth@protonmail.com - 0xD727BBC1.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?
Apparently not just theo is using fvwm after all. :) I heard from many people that fvwm is clunky, old and should not be used. But I personally like fvwm a lot. It's like using ed or vi over MS or Libre Office. I like to have "simple" software in the means of the software or more precise its authors don't anticipate what I want to do. ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:23 AM, ropers wrote: > Tangentially related: Does anyone here routinely use the default fvwm? > > Now for a really noobish question: Those that do, do you also launch > graphical apps by typing something like this in xterm: > > $ firefox > /dev/null 2>&1 & > > or do you normally do something else that I've totally overlooked? > > (Again, this is about how people use stock default fvwm. If your > answer begins with "install $this_other_launcher", it's probably not > what I'm looking for, but thanks anyway.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Encrypting my keydisk
There was an effort, if memory serves but never got committed afaik. Not sure what happened any why but you should be able to dig the mailiing list conversation up and from there compile the uncommitted patch for your needs. At least that would be my approach, except it's now part of OpenBSD. Have a nice day, Fabian ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:06 PM, List wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if there is a reason for the lack of keydisk encryption. > > And if there is a reason what that would be. Or maybe I'm just missing > something and there is a way to achieve this. > > Please correct me. Thanks for your time. > > g Stephan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question regarding wi-fi card support
Thanks for the headsup. I am aware of the limitations and the manpage/Network FAQ gave me a lot of needed info. But I wanted the "best" possible experience for the few times where I really need wi-fi to work. And while the FAQ lists all the supported drivers my experience is, that the drivers change so often from model to model that I lose track most of the time. So when I can get some first hand experience I am glady taking it. As a sidenot, this is the first ever Thinkpad that didn´t work "out of the box" with OpenBSD. Only thing left for the E485 now is the lid closed -> wakeup "problem" but that´s something I can dig into by myself and if everything fails, I wait for Theo to get it working on his one. have a nice weekend and thanks for all the replies, Fabian ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:50 AM, Tony Boston wrote: > keep in mind that iwm(4) doesn’t have 802.11ac functionality > > from the manpage: > The iwm driver does not support any of the 802.11ac capabilities offered > by the adapters. Support for 802.11n 40MHz channels and Tx aggregation > is not yet implemented. Additional work is required in ieee80211(9) > before those features can be supported. > > just so you know > > I stumbled upon this when I installed OpenBSD on a few thinkpads with those > chips built-in and was wondering why I couldn’t connect to my 2nd home network > > -- > > Tony > > GPG-FP: 49CC8250 CDCF2183 6209C1AE 625677C1 F7783D5F > Threema: DN8PJX4Z > > > On 9. Aug 2019, at 15:32, Timothy Brown tbr...@freeshell.org wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 09:30:20PM +, flauenroth wrote: > > > > > I am in the need for a proper wi-fi solution for my Lenovo E485. > > > > I've replaced the original one in my work Dell XPS13 with: > > iwm0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Dual Band Wireless AC 8260" rev 0x3a, > > msi > > iwm0: hw rev 0x200, fw ver 16.242414.0, > > It's M.2 card, works well. > > Tim signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question regarding wi-fi card support
Thanks a lot for the answers. Now I can order some some cards and replace the one on my notebook and some other old Thinkpads I have floating around. > BTW Bluetooth is not supported, with no card. I highly recommand, do > not > start the BT topic again because the list is full of it. If you > are > interested, just use the search function. Thanks for the headsup but I don´t use BT ever on my devices. It´s a nice tech for some stuff but absolutely not needed in my every day life/work. Fabian ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, August 9, 2019 4:06 AM, wrote: > flauenroth flauenr...@protonmail.com writes: > > > Dear list, > > I am in the need for a proper wi-fi solution for my Lenovo E485. > > The original card was some qualcom stuff that went right into my > > trashcan. I´ve replaced it with a Intel Wireless AC 9260 2230 2x2 + BT > > Gigabit vPro since it was catching dust but no success. Now before I > > spent money on a proper card I want to make sure the card is supported > > and works properly. I am aware of the OpenBSD network FAQ and the > > hardware listed there but hopefully some fellow OpenBSD user can > > recommend a card. My EDIMAX EW-7811UN Wireless USB Adapter works > > pretty decent but it´s no real solution. > > Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend. > > Fabian > > I replaced the default wireless card with following which has worked just > fine on my e485: > > > iwm0 at pci4 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265" rev 0x78, > > msi > > Timo signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Question regarding wi-fi card support
Dear list, I am in the need for a proper wi-fi solution for my Lenovo E485. The original card was some qualcom stuff that went right into my trashcan. I´ve replaced it with a Intel Wireless AC 9260 2230 2x2 + BT Gigabit vPro since it was catching dust but no success. Now before I spent money on a proper card I want to make sure the card is supported and works properly. I am aware of the OpenBSD network FAQ and the hardware listed there but hopefully some fellow OpenBSD user can recommend a card. My EDIMAX EW-7811UN Wireless USB Adapter works pretty decent but it´s no real solution. Thanks in advance and have a nice weekend. Fabian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Setup ThinkPad T430
I had no problems on the T400 series, including T400 and T430. Switched to the E Series with OpenBSD 6.4. Can´t speak about bluetooth, since I don´t use that. But that aside I had no issues. My knowledge isn´t deep enough to make an educated guess about possible issues with 6.4 but I´d be surprised if 6.2/.3 run but 6.4 not anymore. ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, 30. October 2018 20:47, leroy jordan wrote: > Hi all, > > Just looking for a heads up is there any problems with me installing > openbsd on T430 as I have seen the X1 has a problem with the pointer. > > On a side note, I was reading on miscellaneous a while back about Bluetooth > I would like to get the information again so I can start work on that > port. > > Thank you > > LeRoy Jordan
Inconsistency between installurl(5) and the info inside regarding the URL
Just found a little error regarding the URL listed in installurl(5) and the website itself. The manpage is listing https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD while the actual website is [http://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD](https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD). Pretty certain it´s a new change since I got all the patches up to 18 from that site and checking my /etc/installurl file the website is listed with https. Tried to reach the site via https on a testmashine with no success. Should I have missed a headsup via mailing list or simple being stupid here my apoligies. ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer.
Re: Selling things through the mailing list allowed? I have compatible THIN CLIENTS for Firewall / Router appliance use Available
This mail keeps crawling out the dumpster again and again. Are we done with this topic here? Correct me when I am wrong but afaik there are pretty simple rules about the mailing list(s) so asking about selling stuff in the first place proofed lack of reading and or comprehending simple rules or maybe call them guidelines. Have something useful to donate to the project or something that might be useful, ask here if someone has use for it. Have something to sell? Sell it on some auction side or wherever you feel like but not here. ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 30 August 2018 5:45 PM, Bogdan Kulbida wrote: > I would like to apologize for the previous email. The joke was > unprofessional and very rude. > I’m sorry if it was offensive to someone in this list. > > -Bogdan > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 22:40 Bogdan Kulbida i...@konstankino.com wrote: > > > I love it! Damn f.. asshole! Get him out of here! > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 21:09 Theo de Raadt dera...@openbsd.org wrote: > > > > > Jacqueline Jolicoeur fen...@airmail.cc wrote: > > > > > > > > Finally, whether intended or not, your intention to try to SELL > > > > > something on this list is extraordinarily rude. Move on and go learn > > > > > about this on your own. The Internet is filled with useful > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > The mailing list archives also have a tremendous amount of useful > > > > > info. > > > > > > > > Asking permission, while at the same time, performing the act. > > > > "Wrote a song about it. Like to hear it? Here it goes." - Calhoun Tubbs > > > > > > May I call people trying to sell things on misc assholes? The guy > > > trying to sell stuff on misc is an asshole. Oh sorry, I'm sorry I called > > > an asshole an asshole. > > > Right? > > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Bogdan Kulbida > Founder and CEO, Konstankino LLC http://konstankino.com > +1.802.793.8295
