Re: ATB.com
Дана 24/05/07 04:45PM, Riccardo Mottola написа: > I too... even if I don't like where Firefox is going with their UI and rustc > choices... I feel it is still better than Chromium, where the long arm of > data-sucking of Google is so strong. Some links to check out: https://digdeeper.club/articles/mozilla.xhtml https://digdeeper.club/articles/browsers.xhtml https://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/choose-your-browser-carefully.html https://sizeof.cat/post/web-browser-telemetry/
Re: ATB.com
Hi Austin, I feel your pain. The world things Chrome, or at least Blink, is the only Browser. It is the new IE!!! Austin Hook wrote: In the past 6 months is has gotten more and more difficult to sign-on to with Firefox and OpenBSD, as they have tried to make their sites more and more bullet proof. Now, starting from atb.com it's hard to even get to where one signs into personal banking, and to where it requests a username and password. It seems to go through an amazing number of redirects, and then gets hung up in the process. Sometimes, tapping different cadences with lots of control-R or control-F5 sequences, I can get through. It must be a matter of timing. I guess it works better with other operating systems and/or browsers. In fact I do have much better luck with Chromium + OpenBSD although not always. try using as dns 1.1.1.1 try using Firefox on Windows and compare results. try the same site using Chrome on OpenBSD. Maybe they hate Firefox... I'd prefer to use Firefox, so long as it exists semi-independently of monsters like Google. I too... even if I don't like where Firefox is going with their UI and rustc choices... I feel it is still better than Chromium, where the long arm of data-sucking of Google is so strong. Riccardo
Re: ATB.com
Hi Austin,
You can try checking how your DNS is set up. If you are not using your ISP, the
website may think you are in a faraway location and redirect you wrongly.
I had this issue with ANZ (Australian bank) a while back.
Check your DNS browser settings on firefox and chromium too. If they are
getting DNS from different sources, this may be a clue.
Brett.
On May 6, 2024 4:49:32 AM GMT+10:00, Austin Hook wrote:
>{I'm currently still using release version of 7.4}
>
>{This may be of interest mainly to residents of Alberta, Canada}
>
>ATB.COM -- (i.e. Alberta Treasury Branch) is a provincially owned bank in
>Alberta, Canada. In general it is nicer, and friendlier to use than most
>big commercial banks. Not so, anymore, with their web page.
>
>In the past 6 months is has gotten more and more difficult to sign-on
>to with Firefox and OpenBSD, as they have tried to make their sites more
>and more bullet proof.
>
>Now, starting from atb.com it's hard to even get to where one signs into
>personal banking, and to where it requests a username and password.
>
>It seems to go through an amazing number of redirects, and then gets hung
>up in the process. Sometimes, tapping different cadences with lots of
>control-R or control-F5 sequences, I can get through. It must be a matter
>of timing.
>
>I guess it works better with other operating systems and/or browsers. In
>fact I do have much better luck with Chromium + OpenBSD although not
>always.
>
>I'd prefer to use Firefox, so long as it exists semi-independently of
>monsters like Google.
>
>So, if anyone is interested, perhaps it would be nice if we could qualify
>to the ATB web page design team, what doesn't work well for everybody,
>and if anything they are doing is beyond being reasonable.
>
>I also wonder if anyone has problems with Firefox and other operating
>systems, accessing ATB.COM, and even getting to the personal sign in page.
>
>Additionally, even getting that far, doesn't guarantee one actually can
>get beyond the next sequence of redirects, when signing in. It only works
>about half the time, from that point.
>
>An additional reason, for us Albertans, to try to keep ATB.COM from going
>outside the normal bounds of web site protection, and hence making it work
>only from certain operating systems and browsers, is that the Alberta
>Government has become so sold on their toy bank, and it's website
>developers, that they have recently decided to put that team in charge of
>all the website development for the government of Alberta, which means I
>won't even be able to access my health records -- the online ability to do
>that they are so proud of
>
>Whew... apologies for that run on sentence, above.
>
>Anyone game to help push the point?
>
>Sure, this is not really just an OpenBSD project question, but the project
>does have it's origins here in Alberta
>
>One doesn't have to be a resident of Alberta to see the problem (try it)
>-- but I am curious if the trend towards using timing to allow access to
>web sites is going to become more and more common, and how to fight back.
>
>Austin
>
>Milk River, Alberta
>
>
>
>
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: ATB.com
On Sun, 05 May 2024 20:49:32 +0200, Austin Hook wrote: > > In the past 6 months is has gotten more and more difficult to sign-on > to with Firefox and OpenBSD, as they have tried to make their sites more > and more bullet proof. > Yeah, an industry to figth bots is qutie popular these days and a lot of companies tries to use it or make their own, in-house, solution. The worst things waits us tomorrow, when you can't go to the web site without using Apple or Google kind of VPN which works only on their devices and OS. Until that tomorrow is happened, here alway a hope. > It seems to go through an amazing number of redirects, and then gets hung > up in the process. Sometimes, tapping different cadences with lots of > control-R or control-F5 sequences, I can get through. It must be a matter > of timing. > > I guess it works better with other operating systems and/or browsers. In > fact I do have much better luck with Chromium + OpenBSD although not > always. Have you tried to enable WebAssembly? I do use chromium with WebAssembly enabled without any issue had openned https://personal.atb.com/ from Europe, note Canada. > > I'd prefer to use Firefox, so long as it exists semi-independently of > monsters like Google. See www/ungoogled-chromium which is chromium without google. -- wbr, Kirill
Re: ATB.com
In the past when I've had trouble with online banking I just refused to use it
and went in person. I still do this for checks as there's no way to cash them
online without a smartphone. Thankfully my local credit union, FSB and Etrade
work fine in Firefox for everything else.
--Stephen
On Sun, May 05, 2024 at 12:49:32PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote:
> {I'm currently still using release version of 7.4}
>
> {This may be of interest mainly to residents of Alberta, Canada}
>
> ATB.COM -- (i.e. Alberta Treasury Branch) is a provincially owned bank in
> Alberta, Canada. In general it is nicer, and friendlier to use than most
> big commercial banks. Not so, anymore, with their web page.
>
> In the past 6 months is has gotten more and more difficult to sign-on
> to with Firefox and OpenBSD, as they have tried to make their sites more
> and more bullet proof.
>
> Now, starting from atb.com it's hard to even get to where one signs into
> personal banking, and to where it requests a username and password.
>
> It seems to go through an amazing number of redirects, and then gets hung
> up in the process. Sometimes, tapping different cadences with lots of
> control-R or control-F5 sequences, I can get through. It must be a matter
> of timing.
>
> I guess it works better with other operating systems and/or browsers. In
> fact I do have much better luck with Chromium + OpenBSD although not
> always.
>
> I'd prefer to use Firefox, so long as it exists semi-independently of
> monsters like Google.
>
> So, if anyone is interested, perhaps it would be nice if we could qualify
> to the ATB web page design team, what doesn't work well for everybody,
> and if anything they are doing is beyond being reasonable.
>
> I also wonder if anyone has problems with Firefox and other operating
> systems, accessing ATB.COM, and even getting to the personal sign in page.
>
> Additionally, even getting that far, doesn't guarantee one actually can
> get beyond the next sequence of redirects, when signing in. It only works
> about half the time, from that point.
>
> An additional reason, for us Albertans, to try to keep ATB.COM from going
> outside the normal bounds of web site protection, and hence making it work
> only from certain operating systems and browsers, is that the Alberta
> Government has become so sold on their toy bank, and it's website
> developers, that they have recently decided to put that team in charge of
> all the website development for the government of Alberta, which means I
> won't even be able to access my health records -- the online ability to do
> that they are so proud of
>
> Whew... apologies for that run on sentence, above.
>
> Anyone game to help push the point?
>
> Sure, this is not really just an OpenBSD project question, but the project
> does have it's origins here in Alberta
>
> One doesn't have to be a resident of Alberta to see the problem (try it)
> -- but I am curious if the trend towards using timing to allow access to
> web sites is going to become more and more common, and how to fight back.
>
> Austin
>
> Milk River, Alberta
>
>
>
>
Re: ATB.com
Hello,
Try changing the version to say windows using a extension I've seen a few
banking sites that will fail to load if it's not a supported OS or browser they
use or recommend luckily navy fed hasn't done anything like that.
Chris
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Original Message
On 5/5/24 1:49 PM, Austin Hook wrote:
> {I'm currently still using release version of 7.4}
>
> {This may be of interest mainly to residents of Alberta, Canada}
>
> ATB.COM -- (i.e. Alberta Treasury Branch) is a provincially owned bank in
> Alberta, Canada. In general it is nicer, and friendlier to use than most
> big commercial banks. Not so, anymore, with their web page.
>
> In the past 6 months is has gotten more and more difficult to sign-on
> to with Firefox and OpenBSD, as they have tried to make their sites more
> and more bullet proof.
>
> Now, starting from atb.com it's hard to even get to where one signs into
> personal banking, and to where it requests a username and password.
>
> It seems to go through an amazing number of redirects, and then gets hung
> up in the process. Sometimes, tapping different cadences with lots of
> control-R or control-F5 sequences, I can get through. It must be a matter
> of timing.
>
> I guess it works better with other operating systems and/or browsers. In
> fact I do have much better luck with Chromium + OpenBSD although not
> always.
>
> I'd prefer to use Firefox, so long as it exists semi-independently of
> monsters like Google.
>
> So, if anyone is interested, perhaps it would be nice if we could qualify
> to the ATB web page design team, what doesn't work well for everybody,
> and if anything they are doing is beyond being reasonable.
>
> I also wonder if anyone has problems with Firefox and other operating
> systems, accessing ATB.COM, and even getting to the personal sign in page.
>
> Additionally, even getting that far, doesn't guarantee one actually can
> get beyond the next sequence of redirects, when signing in. It only works
> about half the time, from that point.
>
> An additional reason, for us Albertans, to try to keep ATB.COM from going
> outside the normal bounds of web site protection, and hence making it work
> only from certain operating systems and browsers, is that the Alberta
> Government has become so sold on their toy bank, and it's website
> developers, that they have recently decided to put that team in charge of
> all the website development for the government of Alberta, which means I
> won't even be able to access my health records -- the online ability to do
> that they are so proud of
>
> Whew... apologies for that run on sentence, above.
>
> Anyone game to help push the point?
>
> Sure, this is not really just an OpenBSD project question, but the project
> does have it's origins here in Alberta
>
> One doesn't have to be a resident of Alberta to see the problem (try it)
> -- but I am curious if the trend towards using timing to allow access to
> web sites is going to become more and more common, and how to fight back.
>
> Austin
>
> Milk River, Alberta
>
>
>
>
>
