Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stuff... is ATi really the way to go, if you just want a straight forward desktop? Have ATi (or anyone) really got their docs going without NDA, and are there actually exists drivers for them in the latest release of OpenBSD. (4.3-release) I mean, while I do want to keep as much hardware as possible, I can still afford to buy one or two components, if they are actually truly supporting OSS, it is a form of voting with my wallet I guess. radeonhd work particularly well: fast display without any dri/drm acceleration yet. Intel is also a good choice when you need opensources blob free drivers. - benoit
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
It is in this thread: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=120926655909874w=2 On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:59:14AM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a few days ago I answered this question. Simply look for it. if you could tell me the email subject. I've looked for every mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the misc (from gmail's search options) and found none nvidia reletad (apart from this). may be me being unfortunate. no luck also from http://www.google.com/custom?q=nvidiahl=enclient=pub-1916336824448304cof=FORID:1%3BGL:1%3BLBGC:336699%3BLC:%23ff%3BVLC:%23663399%3BGFNT:%23ff%3BGIMP:%23ff%3BDIV:%23336699%3Bdomains=openbsd.monkey.orgsitesearch=openbsd.monkey.orgoe=ISO-8859-1start=10sa=N :( if you for any reason (regardless) can't say, no problem. thanks anyway, matheus On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 05:47:57PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. by any means this is criticism, just for information only. so, for open source should I look for what in graphics subject ? I had bad time using ATi some time ago so I bought nVidia. but there is no luck in running 64bits FreeBSD on it :( if you have any info on this please :) thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
2008/5/4 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is in this thread: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=120926655909874w=2 Thanks for the link, so nv itself is developed by nVidia themselves and is written to be obscure too... that's another reason for me to chuck away my nVidia card!! 2008/5/4 Benoit Chesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: radeonhd work particularly well: fast display without any dri/drm acceleration yet. Intel is also a good choice when you need opensources blob free drivers. So what is the state of radeonhd like? It is another nv like driver, you know, OOS obscured open source driver, or a truly supported with docs and stuff? And what does Intel uses... if I go Intel does that mean I would need to get a whole new motherboard... because as far as I know of, they do not yet build delicated graphics card... of course Intel boards can be used to build new machines, but then again that would support Intel cpu only, right? What about via? I have heard that they will be making oss graphic cards? -- This e-mail may be confidential. You may not copy, forward, distribute, or, use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it from your system and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. The sender does not accept liability for any errors, or, omissions. Note, this text has no effective legal binding on your part. There is no obligation to abide any or all parts of this, just as any texts appended to e-mail on rest of the Internet. For more information about disclaimers, please see: http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
My previous laptop was radeonhd and I might go back to it until noveau is in enough shape. Only after coming from radeonhd to go nvidia made me realize how much better the driver is. On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 12:42:44AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: 2008/5/4 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is in this thread: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=120926655909874w=2 Thanks for the link, so nv itself is developed by nVidia themselves and is written to be obscure too... that's another reason for me to chuck away my nVidia card!! 2008/5/4 Benoit Chesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: radeonhd work particularly well: fast display without any dri/drm acceleration yet. Intel is also a good choice when you need opensources blob free drivers. So what is the state of radeonhd like? It is another nv like driver, you know, OOS obscured open source driver, or a truly supported with docs and stuff? And what does Intel uses... if I go Intel does that mean I would need to get a whole new motherboard... because as far as I know of, they do not yet build delicated graphics card... of course Intel boards can be used to build new machines, but then again that would support Intel cpu only, right? What about via? I have heard that they will be making oss graphic cards? -- This e-mail may be confidential. You may not copy, forward, distribute, or, use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it from your system and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. The sender does not accept liability for any errors, or, omissions. Note, this text has no effective legal binding on your part. There is no obligation to abide any or all parts of this, just as any texts appended to e-mail on rest of the Internet. For more information about disclaimers, please see: http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 10:16:54AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: My previous laptop was radeonhd and I might go back to it until noveau is in enough shape. Only after coming from radeonhd to go nvidia made me realize how much better the driver is. Almost the same, except that my old laptop video card died. I'm still hoping for nouveau to happen, hopefully, just so that we can fuck the nvidia morons (like, even if they don't open their specs, someone can reverse engineer a driver), and also because that laptop is very nice outside of that gfx card issue.
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
2008/5/5 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My previous laptop was radeonhd and I might go back to it until noveau is in enough shape. Only after coming from radeonhd to go nvidia made me realize how much better the driver is. I see... I take it that you are running -current? Looking at the cvs-web, it seems like you need at least 4.3-release, and looking at wiki.x.org, it seems like only -current has the decent radeonhd driver with 2D acceleration (driver version 1.2.1, for R5xx/RS6xx, both XAA and EXA.)... whatever XAA and EXA means?
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
uhm what else is there besides -current? ;-) On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 02:04:49AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: 2008/5/5 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My previous laptop was radeonhd and I might go back to it until noveau is in enough shape. Only after coming from radeonhd to go nvidia made me realize how much better the driver is. I see... I take it that you are running -current? Looking at the cvs-web, it seems like you need at least 4.3-release, and looking at wiki.x.org, it seems like only -current has the decent radeonhd driver with 2D acceleration (driver version 1.2.1, for R5xx/RS6xx, both XAA and EXA.)... whatever XAA and EXA means?
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
Marco Peereboom wrote:
Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely
functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from
NVIDIA when doing open source.
I'm going to express a very small and highly qualified exception to this
comment...
I have found that OLD nvidia cards (16M-ish ones) work pretty darned
well with the base nv driver for OpenBSD. I'd say just worked, other
than in a multi-headed config, it goes a bit stupid and tried to run the
monitors at 2048x1600 or similar absurd resolution (which actually, one
of my monitors DID come up in...shocking the heck out of me and probably
the monitor, too).
So, I'm not going to argue the point on new cutting edge stuff, but on
my old junk, the stock, OpenBSD-provided nv works pretty well.
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100 rev 0xb2
NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 not configured
NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 not configured
(one AGP 1280x1024, two PCI 1280x1024, 1600x1200)
I felt this important to mention because when I was originally building
fluffy, my three-headed system, I was looking for NON-nv cards because
of past discussions, and wasn't having much luck finding non-nv PCI cards.
I finally bought a couple junk, unmarked cards, figured, let's see what
they do, and they came up GREAT..as nvidia cards using the nv driver.
Granted, my usage is fairly basic. The only multi-media anything I have
on this system is xmms. When flipping rapidly between screens, I see
the screen redraw ('specially on my PCI-based 1600x1200 screen), but it
is no big deal. Much bigger problem is moving the mouse from the far
right hand screen to the far left hand screen or visa-versa...and that
is a (dis) function of my cluttered desk, not the video driver. :)
Nick.
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:24:20PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
Marco Peereboom wrote:
Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely
functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from
NVIDIA when doing open source.
I'm going to express a very small and highly qualified exception to this
comment...
I have found that OLD nvidia cards (16M-ish ones) work pretty darned
well with the base nv driver for OpenBSD. I'd say just worked, other
than in a multi-headed config, it goes a bit stupid and tried to run the
monitors at 2048x1600 or similar absurd resolution (which actually, one
of my monitors DID come up in...shocking the heck out of me and probably
the monitor, too).
So, I'm not going to argue the point on new cutting edge stuff, but on
my old junk, the stock, OpenBSD-provided nv works pretty well.
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100 rev 0xb2
NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 not configured
NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 not configured
(one AGP 1280x1024, two PCI 1280x1024, 1600x1200)
I felt this important to mention because when I was originally building
fluffy, my three-headed system, I was looking for NON-nv cards because
of past discussions, and wasn't having much luck finding non-nv PCI cards.
I finally bought a couple junk, unmarked cards, figured, let's see what
they do, and they came up GREAT..as nvidia cards using the nv driver.
Granted, my usage is fairly basic. The only multi-media anything I have
on this system is xmms. When flipping rapidly between screens, I see
the screen redraw ('specially on my PCI-based 1600x1200 screen), but it
is no big deal. Much bigger problem is moving the mouse from the far
right hand screen to the far left hand screen or visa-versa...and that
is a (dis) function of my cluttered desk, not the video driver. :)
same here. that nVidia Vanta (agp) in the dmesg I posted in this
thread works quite well for playing movies/watching tv, etc.
it actually works better than the ATI Radeon 9200 SE (also agp) I have
in another machine, both for 2d and 3d (well, glxgears at least is ~ 5x
faster on the nVidia ... but that might have something to do with the
nVidia being in an i386 and the Radeon being in an amd64).
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Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. I'm going to express a very small and highly qualified exception to this comment... I concur: clearly things are not as bad as some have expressed (noting also that the current situation is bad, regardless of the card). As for Nvidia as a vendor, nothing to add. I have found that OLD nvidia cards (16M-ish ones) work pretty darned well with the base nv driver for OpenBSD. I'd say just worked, other than in a multi-headed config, it goes a bit stupid and tried to run the monitors at 2048x1600 or similar absurd resolution (which actually, one of my monitors DID come up in...shocking the heck out of me and probably the monitor, too). I run 2048x1536 + 1600x1200 -xinerama setup here with two low-end GeForce 6200 pci-e cards and nv. Works reasonably well. Granted, my usage is fairly basic. The only multi-media anything I have on this system is xmms. When flipping rapidly between screens, I see Ditto: I run Fluxbox and seldom use any GUI-applications at all. I haven't tried any video, let alone any 3d. Works reasonably well under these settings. - Jukka.
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
Nick if you looked at the code of that driver you would not have written
this blurb.
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:24:20PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
Marco Peereboom wrote:
Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely
functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from
NVIDIA when doing open source.
I'm going to express a very small and highly qualified exception to this
comment...
I have found that OLD nvidia cards (16M-ish ones) work pretty darned
well with the base nv driver for OpenBSD. I'd say just worked, other
than in a multi-headed config, it goes a bit stupid and tried to run the
monitors at 2048x1600 or similar absurd resolution (which actually, one
of my monitors DID come up in...shocking the heck out of me and probably
the monitor, too).
So, I'm not going to argue the point on new cutting edge stuff, but on
my old junk, the stock, OpenBSD-provided nv works pretty well.
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100 rev 0xb2
NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 not configured
NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 not configured
(one AGP 1280x1024, two PCI 1280x1024, 1600x1200)
I felt this important to mention because when I was originally building
fluffy, my three-headed system, I was looking for NON-nv cards because
of past discussions, and wasn't having much luck finding non-nv PCI cards.
I finally bought a couple junk, unmarked cards, figured, let's see what
they do, and they came up GREAT..as nvidia cards using the nv driver.
Granted, my usage is fairly basic. The only multi-media anything I have
on this system is xmms. When flipping rapidly between screens, I see
the screen redraw ('specially on my PCI-based 1600x1200 screen), but it
is no big deal. Much bigger problem is moving the mouse from the far
right hand screen to the far left hand screen or visa-versa...and that
is a (dis) function of my cluttered desk, not the video driver. :)
Nick.
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in this thread: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=120926655909874w=2 thanks for the link :) well, the chat on the thread just fires bombs on nVidia, what is not new. apart from some info from you about radeonhd, no info from ATi on Open Source OS. radeonhd has any 3D ? is it possible to run 3D games on it, even if its on linux. my doubt is about 3D driver on any opensource OS. the thing is that I'm colecting info for my next video card buy. thanks for all, :) matheus On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:59:14AM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a few days ago I answered this question. Simply look for it. if you could tell me the email subject. I've looked for every mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the misc (from gmail's search options) and found none nvidia reletad (apart from this). may be me being unfortunate. no luck also from http://www.google.com/custom?q=nvidiahl=enclient=pub-1916336824448304cof=FORID:1%3BGL:1%3BLBGC:336699%3BLC:%23ff%3BVLC:%23663399%3BGFNT:%23ff%3BGIMP:%23ff%3BDIV:%23336699%3Bdomains=openbsd.monkey.orgsitesearch=openbsd.monkey.orgoe=ISO-8859-1start=10sa=N :( if you for any reason (regardless) can't say, no problem. thanks anyway, matheus On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 05:47:57PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. by any means this is criticism, just for information only. so, for open source should I look for what in graphics subject ? I had bad time using ATi some time ago so I bought nVidia. but there is no luck in running 64bits FreeBSD on it :( if you have any info on this please :) thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 04:17:58PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: radeonhd has any 3D ? 3D acceleration is not currently supported on OpenBSD, but work is being done to ensure that it will be supported in the future. A recent progress report, together with a description of the status of NVIDIA, ATI, and Intel drivers, was posted at http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20080416195151pid=44
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 08:48:48PM +1000, Sunnz wrote: I am just wondering if the NV driver for nVidia cards are supposed to be slow, for just the desktop? That is, no 3D. I am currently running Xfce Desktop on 4.2-release, just surfing the web and stuff, nothing heavy... and Desktop switching, maximising windows, and stuff takes unusually long time... of course I would not expect the same performance with the binary blob driver on Linux, but by a long time I mean it takes 5 - 30 seconds freeze to do anything... maximising a window takes 5 - 10 seconds, while switching desktop spaces takes 20 - 30 seconds, depends on how many windows are on that space. For non-drawing purpose, it is all very fast, minimise is very quick, switching to an empty desktop space is an instant. So I guess it may be the window manager, xfwm4? So yea I am wondering if this is normal for xfce on nVidia cards... like if it is xfce's problem, or X Windows, or driver?? well, WHICH nVidia card? don't you think that might matter? any clues in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? the following machine uses the nv driver, and I don't see what you describe under either blackbox or kde. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org OpenBSD 4.3-current (GENERIC) #109: Sun Apr 13 14:02:25 PDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/src/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ (AuthenticAMD 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 1.84 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 536375296 (511MB) avail mem = 510562304 (486MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 09/24/03, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa0e0, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0120 (37 entries) bios0: vendor Award Software International, Inc. version F8 date 09/24/2003 bios0: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-7VT600 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 (slowidle) apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0xc474 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfc3c0/176 (9 entries) pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 10 11 pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:17:0 (VIA VT82C596A ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x9400 0xcc000/0x8000! cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA VT8377 PCI rev 0x80 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 VIA VT8377 AGP rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) agp0 at vga1: v3, aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000 skc0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 Linksys EG1032 rev 0x12, Yukon (0x1): irq 11 sk0 at skc0 port A: address 00:0c:41:1a:50:06 eephy0 at sk0 phy 0: Marvell 88E1011 Gigabit PHY, rev. 3 cmpci0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 C-Media Electronics CMI8738/C3DX Audio rev 0x10: irq 10 audio0 at cmpci0 opl at cmpci0 not configured mpu at cmpci0 not configured bktr0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 Brooktree BT878 rev 0x11: irq 11 bktr0: ATI TV-Wonder/VE, Philips NTSC tuner. Brooktree BT878 Audio rev 0x11 at pci0 dev 13 function 1 not configured uhci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x80: irq 5 uhci1 at pci0 dev 16 function 1 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x80: irq 11 uhci2 at pci0 dev 16 function 2 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x80: irq 11 ehci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 3 VIA VT6202 USB rev 0x82: irq 10 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 VIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 viapm0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 VIA VT8235 ISA rev 0x00 iic0 at viapm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 512MB DDR SDRAM non-parity PC2700CL2.5 pciide0 at pci0 dev 17 function 1 VIA VT82C571 IDE rev 0x06: ATA133, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: WDC WD600LB-00DNA0 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 57240MB, 117229295 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SONY, CD-RW CRX175E2, S002 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 rl0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 Realtek 8139 rev 0x10: irq 11, address 00:0d:61:c1:58:0d rlphy0 at rl0 phy 0: RTL internal PHY usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at mainbus0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pmsi0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pmsi0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
2008/5/4 Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: well, WHICH nVidia card? don't you think that might matter? any clues in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? the following machine uses the nv driver, and I don't see what you describe under either blackbox or kde. Well I am suspecting it is a combination of nv driver AND the window manager used in Xfce4... that's why I want to ask if it happens purely on nv driver, and in that case, I might have to go for ATi as suggested by others. But since your machine is good with blackbox/kde, I'll try them out and see... so thanks for your reply!
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
Ok I am using blackbox instead of xfwm4 now... still running on Xfce but no more delays in anything. :) -- This e-mail may be confidential. You may not copy, forward, distribute, or, use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it from your system and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. The sender does not accept liability for any errors, or, omissions. Note, this text has no effective legal binding on your part. There is no obligation to abide any or all parts of this, just as any texts appended to e-mail on rest of the Internet. For more information about disclaimers, please see: http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 08:48:48PM +1000, Sunnz wrote: I am just wondering if the NV driver for nVidia cards are supposed to be slow, for just the desktop? That is, no 3D. I am currently running Xfce Desktop on 4.2-release, just surfing the web and stuff, nothing heavy... and Desktop switching, maximising windows, and stuff takes unusually long time... of course I would not expect the same performance with the binary blob driver on Linux, but by a long time I mean it takes 5 - 30 seconds freeze to do anything... maximising a window takes 5 - 10 seconds, while switching desktop spaces takes 20 - 30 seconds, depends on how many windows are on that space. For non-drawing purpose, it is all very fast, minimise is very quick, switching to an empty desktop space is an instant. So I guess it may be the window manager, xfwm4? So yea I am wondering if this is normal for xfce on nVidia cards... like if it is xfce's problem, or X Windows, or driver?? Thanks. -- This e-mail may be confidential. You may not copy, forward, distribute, or, use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it from your system and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. The sender does not accept liability for any errors, or, omissions. Note, this text has no effective legal binding on your part. There is no obligation to abide any or all parts of this, just as any texts appended to e-mail on rest of the Internet. For more information about disclaimers, please see: http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. by any means this is criticism, just for information only. so, for open source should I look for what in graphics subject ? I had bad time using ATi some time ago so I bought nVidia. but there is no luck in running 64bits FreeBSD on it :( if you have any info on this please :) thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On May 3, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. by any means this is criticism, just for information only. so, for open source should I look for what in graphics subject ? I had bad time using ATi some time ago so I bought nVidia. but there is no luck in running 64bits FreeBSD on it :( if you have any info on this please :) thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be To hijack this slightly, what would one consider the best video card to work with OSS? -Adam
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
Just a few days ago I answered this question. Simply look for it. On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 05:47:57PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. by any means this is criticism, just for information only. so, for open source should I look for what in graphics subject ? I had bad time using ATi some time ago so I bought nVidia. but there is no luck in running 64bits FreeBSD on it :( if you have any info on this please :) thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a few days ago I answered this question. Simply look for it. if you could tell me the email subject. I've looked for every mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the misc (from gmail's search options) and found none nvidia reletad (apart from this). may be me being unfortunate. no luck also from http://www.google.com/custom?q=nvidiahl=enclient=pub-1916336824448304cof=FORID:1%3BGL:1%3BLBGC:336699%3BLC:%23ff%3BVLC:%23663399%3BGFNT:%23ff%3BGIMP:%23ff%3BDIV:%23336699%3Bdomains=openbsd.monkey.orgsitesearch=openbsd.monkey.orgoe=ISO-8859-1start=10sa=N :( if you for any reason (regardless) can't say, no problem. thanks anyway, matheus On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 05:47:57PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. by any means this is criticism, just for information only. so, for open source should I look for what in graphics subject ? I had bad time using ATi some time ago so I bought nVidia. but there is no luck in running 64bits FreeBSD on it :( if you have any info on this please :) thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be
Re: Is NV supposed to be SLOW?
2008/5/4 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. NVIDIA refuses to make a useful open source driver. It is barely functional and it generally sucks really really bad. Stay away from NVIDIA when doing open source. Yes I know about this binary blob. Even FreeBSD users are forced to use i386 on an AMD64 system just to use their damn blob. Actually I used to run Linux on this computer so I can play with the 3D Compiz and stuff... but I just decided to switch to OpenBSD anyway, because I think in the long term, running a blob free system is the way to go. But economically-wise, I would like to keep as many current hardware as possible... because I thought the NV driver would at least have good 2D support for getting through working with a simple desktop environment, such as Xfce4. In the end I guess it just boils down to the question that many people have asked before... are there any down-to-Earth, non-fancy graphics card you can get these days that works well with OSS, when you just want a speedy desktop and don't particularly care about the 3D Compiz stuff... is ATi really the way to go, if you just want a straight forward desktop? Have ATi (or anyone) really got their docs going without NDA, and are there actually exists drivers for them in the latest release of OpenBSD. (4.3-release) I mean, while I do want to keep as much hardware as possible, I can still afford to buy one or two components, if they are actually truly supporting OSS, it is a form of voting with my wallet I guess.
