Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-04 Thread Niclas Sodergard
On 6/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting Dimitri Georganas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user
  friendliness, but because
  it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse.
 
 I'm right in the middle of installing 3.7 via serial port B on a Sun
 Ultra 10. I LOVE the OpenBSD installer. Installs from CD in minutes. If
 I make a mistake, Ctrl-C and run the install script again. Gorgeous.

I really have to second this. The OpenBSD installer is great. The
other day I got two Dell 2850 delivered. They will be our new firewall
machines. Within 10 minutes I had the OS installed on both machines
and we could start testing them. It is just so simple and efficient.
The best part it is not some scaled down version of the OS you get but
it is the full system.

cheers,
Nickus



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-04 Thread Josh Tolley
   I do like the installer though, I'm serious.

  I'm right in the middle of installing 3.7 via serial port B on a Sun
  I LOVE the OpenBSD installer.

 I really have to second this. The OpenBSD installer is great. 

I had to laugh when I overheard two friends who typically work with
Windows OSs comparing how fast they'd been able to install a server
OS. I subsequently went and installed a test web server in under 10
minutes (after which I started messing around, hosed a bunch of stuff,
and had to spend the next 10 minutes installing again)

-Josh



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Dunceor .
Congrats to the most useless post on misc ever.

On 6/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Lars,
 
 AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
 FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap
 in
 my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his
 lapdog
 roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for
 a
 chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
 mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot
 email?
 
 OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
 installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too
 many
 and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking
 ASSHOLES
 heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to
 code
 such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to
 go
 back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to
 keep
 state just store important choices as variables and allow us to
 change
 variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20
 years
 ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
 Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in
 shit
 retarded way)?
 
 Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
 REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.
 
 Your attitude will serve you well in hell!
 
 /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)
 
 Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:
 
  On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
  Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last
 OBSD
  installation.
 
  You say it like you expect anyone to care.
 
  The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no
 compatibility
  with ours.
 
  Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head?
 
  I got it that I am using the wrong OS.
 
  Obviously.
 
  Your OS is only useable for
  things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate
 people
  doing stuff you don't like.
 
  This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
  even if you're upset.
 
  ---
  Lars Hansson
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Lars Hansson
On Fri,  3 Jun 2005 04:41:45 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Lars,
[snip vitriolic nonsense rant]

You're an idiot.

---
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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Dimitri Georganas

It's always nice to see people find some level of harmony in their lives.

(I really love the obsd installer btw, please don't change it)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap 
in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his 
lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for 
a

chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot 
email?


OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too 
many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking 
ASSHOLES
heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to 
code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to 
go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to 
keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to 
change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 
years

ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in 
shit

retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:




Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Lubos Dusany
 Hello,

Jesus Christ . do you someone know what's this guy means and why he
wrote emails like this ???
Some sexual problems ? :o)

Lubos

[EMAIL PROTECTED] napsal(a):

  Hello Lars,
  
  AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
  FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap 
  in
  my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his 
  lapdog
  roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for 
  a
  chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
  mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot 
  email?
  
  OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
  installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too 
  many
  and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking 
  ASSHOLES
  heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to 
  code
  such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to 
  go
  back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to 
  keep
  state just store important choices as variables and allow us to 
  change
  variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 
  years
  ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
  Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in 
  shit
  retarded way)?
  
  Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
  REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.
  
  Your attitude will serve you well in hell!
  
  /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)
  
  Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 

  OBSD

  installation.

You say it like you expect anyone to care.

  The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 

  compatibility

  with ours.

Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head?

  I got it that I am using the wrong OS.

Obviously.

  Your OS is only useable for
  things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 

  people

  doing stuff you don't like.

This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset. 

---
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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread JR Dalrymple

http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html

72 CPL please

good riddance

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap 
in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his 
lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for 
a

chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot 
email?


OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too 
many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking 
ASSHOLES
heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to 
code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to 
go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to 
keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to 
change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 
years

ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in 
shit

retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

 


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 
 


OBSD
 


installation.
 



 


You say it like you expect anyone to care.
   



 

The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 
 


compatibility
 


with ours.
 



 


Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head?
   



 


I got it that I am using the wrong OS.
 



 


Obviously.
   



 


Your OS is only useable for
things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 
 


people
 


doing stuff you don't like.
 



 


This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset. 
   



 


---
Lars Hansson
   







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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Dimitri Georganas
I got private mail too, but my reply bounced...the [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
account was disabled (...)




I don't advocate for obsd. I just like the os, as it is stable and it 
does what it does.
I don't like the 'obsd attitude' either, but I ignore it. Personally I 
feel that if you don't
like peoples attitudes, it doesn't help to go the way you went on that 
list.


I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user 
friendliness, but because

it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse.




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

just tip of the iceberg, starting with what users see first, is only 
reason i gave that measly example.  openbsd is has so many problems 
that are unfixed because the advocates like yourself have such SHT 
attitudes and think you are so smart.  it is what gives me the 
greatest joy when i root you fcks and rm your machines.  such joy i 
cannot express.  your MiTC bitsy site may enjoy my company someday 
soon.  because, you know perfectly well the installer is shit you just 
choose to troll. want to debate the other more important sht wrong 
things about obsd? haha too bad i don't have any such interest. good 
day and bye.




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap 
in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his 
lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for 
a

chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot 
email?


OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too 
many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking 
ASSHOLES
heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to 
code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to 
go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to 
keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to 
change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 
years

ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in 
shit

retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

 


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 
 


OBSD
 


installation.
 



 


You say it like you expect anyone to care.
   



 

The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 
 


compatibility
 


with ours.
 



 


Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head?
   



 


I got it that I am using the wrong OS.
 



 


Obviously.
   



 


Your OS is only useable for
things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 
 


people
 


doing stuff you don't like.
 



 


This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset. 
   



 


---
Lars Hansson
   







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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread JR Dalrymple
The installer is awesome, it fits right beside the base kernel on ONE 
1.44 floppy (speaking for i386).


I love it

Dimitri Georganas wrote:

I got private mail too, but my reply bounced...the [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
account was disabled (...)




I don't advocate for obsd. I just like the os, as it is stable and it 
does what it does.
I don't like the 'obsd attitude' either, but I ignore it. Personally I 
feel that if you don't
like peoples attitudes, it doesn't help to go the way you went on that 
list.


I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user 
friendliness, but because

it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse.




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

just tip of the iceberg, starting with what users see first, is only 
reason i gave that measly example.  openbsd is has so many problems 
that are unfixed because the advocates like yourself have such SHT 
attitudes and think you are so smart.  it is what gives me the 
greatest joy when i root you fcks and rm your machines.  such joy i 
cannot express.  your MiTC bitsy site may enjoy my company someday 
soon.  because, you know perfectly well the installer is shit you 
just choose to troll. want to debate the other more important sht 
wrong things about obsd? haha too bad i don't have any such interest. 
good day and bye.




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a
chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot email?

OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES
heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 years
ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit
retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

 


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 



OBSD
 


installation.





 


You say it like you expect anyone to care.
  



 

The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 



compatibility
 


with ours.





 


Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head?
  



 


I got it that I am using the wrong OS.





 


Obviously.
  



 


Your OS is only useable for
things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 



people
 


doing stuff you don't like.





 


This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset.   



 


---
Lars Hansson
  







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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Ioan Nemes
What really disturbs me, is that my doughtier reads this list (she is 
only 14).
I would like to see more brain and less testosteron - on _each side_, of 
_any

argument_!  Really, would help!

Ioan



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap 
in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his 
lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for 
a

chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot 
email?


OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too 
many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking 
ASSHOLES
heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to 
code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to 
go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to 
keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to 
change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 
years

ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in 
shit

retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

 


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 
 


OBSD
 


installation.
 



 


You say it like you expect anyone to care.
   



 

The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 
 


compatibility
 


with ours.
 



 


Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head?
   



 


I got it that I am using the wrong OS.
 



 


Obviously.
   



 


Your OS is only useable for
things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 
 


people
 


doing stuff you don't like.
 



 


This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset. 
   



 


---
Lars Hansson
   







Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get
secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2

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Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Will H. Backman
 About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7.
I
 had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and
 correct it.  In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel
 than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It
 took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from
 scratch to completion in each case.  Typing Ctrl-C and then install
 when you make a mistake isn't that difficult.
 
 --

I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly.
OpenBSD is not point and click.  If you can figure out the installer, it
means you actually read instructions.  If you could install OpenBSD by
just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after.



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Michael Shalayeff
Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman:
  About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7.
 I
  had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and
  correct it.  In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel
  than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It
  took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from
  scratch to completion in each case.  Typing Ctrl-C and then install
  when you make a mistake isn't that difficult.
  
  --
 
 I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly.
 OpenBSD is not point and click.  If you can figure out the installer, it
 means you actually read instructions.  If you could install OpenBSD by
 just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after.

actually 90% of the installer we have is just pushing next.
everything has most common reasonable defaults.

so if it is really hard for you then perhaps you are just
retarded and need treatment w/ electricity and if that does
not help then perhaps should not use computers...

cu

-- 
paranoic mickey   (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Thorsten von Plotho-Kettner

JR Dalrymple wrote:

The installer is awesome, it fits right beside the base kernel on ONE 
1.44 floppy (speaking for i386).


Yes, really thin. I just like that un-bloated one, no extras, just 
rude basement. That is enough for setting up a raw machine. More 
tuning could be done in later time in my opinion.


Regards,

Thorsten



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Thorsten von Plotho-Kettner

Will H. Backman wrote:

About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7.



I had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and
correct it.  In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel
than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It
took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from
scratch to completion in each case.  Typing Ctrl-C and then install
when you make a mistake isn't that difficult.



I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly.
OpenBSD is not point and click.  If you can figure out the installer, it
means you actually read instructions.  If you could install OpenBSD by
just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after.


Uh, I do not think so. The OpenBSD-installer is as easy as some 
gui-stuff, maybe much easier. Now blinking Touch me-Buttons, just 
straight work. I have done my first installation just without any 
documentation, it worked, but do not ask how the layout was :)


In my opinion not the user-friendly task is important, but the easy 
and fast setup-possibility. Sometimes I neeed just a raw installation 
with an anonymous ftp for backup up some machine in trouble or for 
fileserving some data for a temporary issue, for that cases I love 
OpenBSD (as for some other reasons).


Regards,

Thorsten



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Paul Greene
I think Freud would have something to say about the issues this fellow 
is having with his sex life .


Dimitri Georganas wrote:

It's always nice to see people find some level of harmony in their lives.

(I really love the obsd installer btw, please don't change it)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,



snip a whole bunch of blankety blank blank



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Will H. Backman
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Shalayeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:59 AM
 To: Will H. Backman
 Cc: misc@openbsd.org
 Subject: Re: openbsd list fckery
 
 Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman:
   About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to
3.7.
  I
   had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem
and
   correct it.  In the process, I learned more about fdisk and
disklabel
   than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good
thing. It
   took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer
from
   scratch to completion in each case.  Typing Ctrl-C and then
install
   when you make a mistake isn't that difficult.
  
   --
 
  I think the installer should be the last thing to go user
friendly.
  OpenBSD is not point and click.  If you can figure out the
installer, it
  means you actually read instructions.  If you could install OpenBSD
by
  just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after.
 
 actually 90% of the installer we have is just pushing next.
 everything has most common reasonable defaults.
 
 so if it is really hard for you then perhaps you are just
 retarded and need treatment w/ electricity and if that does
 not help then perhaps should not use computers...
 

I never said it was hard for me.  I read the instructions.  I also read
the afterboot man page.



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Michael Shalayeff
Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman:
  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Shalayeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:59 AM
  To: Will H. Backman
  Cc: misc@openbsd.org
  Subject: Re: openbsd list fckery
  
  Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman:
About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to
 3.7.
   I
had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem
 and
correct it.  In the process, I learned more about fdisk and
 disklabel
than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good
 thing. It
took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer
 from
scratch to completion in each case.  Typing Ctrl-C and then
 install
when you make a mistake isn't that difficult.
   
--
  
   I think the installer should be the last thing to go user
 friendly.
   OpenBSD is not point and click.  If you can figure out the
 installer, it
   means you actually read instructions.  If you could install OpenBSD
 by
   just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after.
  
  actually 90% of the installer we have is just pushing next.
  everything has most common reasonable defaults.
  
  so if it is really hard for you then perhaps you are just
  retarded and need treatment w/ electricity and if that does
  not help then perhaps should not use computers...
  
 
 I never said it was hard for me.  I read the instructions.  I also read
 the afterboot man page.

it is addressed to the list as well so that may not necessarily
mean you in single but rather you in multitude of the list wankers (:

but since you actually took it upon self it's good.
maybe you do not need electricity treatment after all (:

cu

-- 
paranoic mickey   (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



Re: openbsd list fckery

2005-06-03 Thread Bill Chmura
I've only done a few installs, so I may be closer to the process than
someone who has done it a hundred times...  I had no real problem with
it.  

Half the time people talking about user friendly really mean pretty
and glossy which really is purely marketing.   I've done a lot of
Gentoo installs that were much harder than the obsd installer (when I
finished obsd I said - damn, thats all?).  Gentoo really does not have
an installer - a boot disc and a lot of installation instructions.

I made a few mistakes where going back may have helped, but I am not
really sure it would have.  Besides, making me start over kinda
reinforced my learning so I did not do it again (bad dog, bad, whack
with paper).  I am sure someone will flame me for even commenting on
that, then a gaggle of glommers-on on will flame me, then the people
that want to be like them will flame me :)  

Otherwise, I thought it was simplicity itself.  No problems at all,
worked great.  Installation instructions worked fine too.


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Sascha Ramin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i think the installer is great, its so simple and straight forward, i 
 could do it with my eyes closed.
 
 what do you want gentoo's ? or fedoras.
 
 this isn't linux, if you cant handle the installer, your going to have a 
 hard time running the OS.
 
 also if you think your really smart by using lots of four letter words, 
 you've got more problems then just your installer.
 
 also this isn't a tech support hotline, people are going to help you if 
 they feel like it.
 
 sbr
 

-- 

Bill Chmura
Explosivo ITG
w. http://www.explosivo.com