Re: openbsd list fckery
On 6/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Dimitri Georganas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user friendliness, but because it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse. I'm right in the middle of installing 3.7 via serial port B on a Sun Ultra 10. I LOVE the OpenBSD installer. Installs from CD in minutes. If I make a mistake, Ctrl-C and run the install script again. Gorgeous. I really have to second this. The OpenBSD installer is great. The other day I got two Dell 2850 delivered. They will be our new firewall machines. Within 10 minutes I had the OS installed on both machines and we could start testing them. It is just so simple and efficient. The best part it is not some scaled down version of the OS you get but it is the full system. cheers, Nickus
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I do like the installer though, I'm serious. I'm right in the middle of installing 3.7 via serial port B on a Sun I LOVE the OpenBSD installer. I really have to second this. The OpenBSD installer is great. I had to laugh when I overheard two friends who typically work with Windows OSs comparing how fast they'd been able to install a server OS. I subsequently went and installed a test web server in under 10 minutes (after which I started messing around, hosed a bunch of stuff, and had to spend the next 10 minutes installing again) -Josh
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Congrats to the most useless post on misc ever. On 6/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
Re: openbsd list fckery
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:41:45 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, [snip vitriolic nonsense rant] You're an idiot. --- Lars Hansson
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It's always nice to see people find some level of harmony in their lives. (I really love the obsd installer btw, please don't change it) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:
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Hello, Jesus Christ . do you someone know what's this guy means and why he wrote emails like this ??? Some sexual problems ? :o) Lubos [EMAIL PROTECTED] napsal(a): Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
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http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html 72 CPL please good riddance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
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I got private mail too, but my reply bounced...the [EMAIL PROTECTED] account was disabled (...) I don't advocate for obsd. I just like the os, as it is stable and it does what it does. I don't like the 'obsd attitude' either, but I ignore it. Personally I feel that if you don't like peoples attitudes, it doesn't help to go the way you went on that list. I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user friendliness, but because it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just tip of the iceberg, starting with what users see first, is only reason i gave that measly example. openbsd is has so many problems that are unfixed because the advocates like yourself have such SHT attitudes and think you are so smart. it is what gives me the greatest joy when i root you fcks and rm your machines. such joy i cannot express. your MiTC bitsy site may enjoy my company someday soon. because, you know perfectly well the installer is shit you just choose to troll. want to debate the other more important sht wrong things about obsd? haha too bad i don't have any such interest. good day and bye. Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
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The installer is awesome, it fits right beside the base kernel on ONE 1.44 floppy (speaking for i386). I love it Dimitri Georganas wrote: I got private mail too, but my reply bounced...the [EMAIL PROTECTED] account was disabled (...) I don't advocate for obsd. I just like the os, as it is stable and it does what it does. I don't like the 'obsd attitude' either, but I ignore it. Personally I feel that if you don't like peoples attitudes, it doesn't help to go the way you went on that list. I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user friendliness, but because it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just tip of the iceberg, starting with what users see first, is only reason i gave that measly example. openbsd is has so many problems that are unfixed because the advocates like yourself have such SHT attitudes and think you are so smart. it is what gives me the greatest joy when i root you fcks and rm your machines. such joy i cannot express. your MiTC bitsy site may enjoy my company someday soon. because, you know perfectly well the installer is shit you just choose to troll. want to debate the other more important sht wrong things about obsd? haha too bad i don't have any such interest. good day and bye. Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
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What really disturbs me, is that my doughtier reads this list (she is only 14). I would like to see more brain and less testosteron - on _each side_, of _any argument_! Really, would help! Ioan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars? WHAT FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in my inbox!? Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list? I mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP! What good was your idiot email? OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people. Look at the motherfucking installer for one tiny example. One keyfumble or one return too many and you are FUCKED, have to start over. Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES heard of go back? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go back and change that important N to a Y? You don't even have to keep state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change variables at each prompt. I could code something like that 20 years ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards? Social retardation? Horrid brain damage? Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit retarded way)? Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT. Your attitude will serve you well in hell! /UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!) Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200 Markus Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last OBSD installation. You say it like you expect anyone to care. The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no compatibility with ours. Ours? Who are these ours? The voices in your head? I got it that I am using the wrong OS. Obviously. Your OS is only useable for things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate people doing stuff you don't like. This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english even if you're upset. --- Lars Hansson Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427
Re: openbsd list fckery
About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7. I had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and correct it. In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from scratch to completion in each case. Typing Ctrl-C and then install when you make a mistake isn't that difficult. -- I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly. OpenBSD is not point and click. If you can figure out the installer, it means you actually read instructions. If you could install OpenBSD by just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after.
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Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman: About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7. I had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and correct it. In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from scratch to completion in each case. Typing Ctrl-C and then install when you make a mistake isn't that difficult. -- I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly. OpenBSD is not point and click. If you can figure out the installer, it means you actually read instructions. If you could install OpenBSD by just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after. actually 90% of the installer we have is just pushing next. everything has most common reasonable defaults. so if it is really hard for you then perhaps you are just retarded and need treatment w/ electricity and if that does not help then perhaps should not use computers... cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
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JR Dalrymple wrote: The installer is awesome, it fits right beside the base kernel on ONE 1.44 floppy (speaking for i386). Yes, really thin. I just like that un-bloated one, no extras, just rude basement. That is enough for setting up a raw machine. More tuning could be done in later time in my opinion. Regards, Thorsten
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Will H. Backman wrote: About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7. I had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and correct it. In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from scratch to completion in each case. Typing Ctrl-C and then install when you make a mistake isn't that difficult. I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly. OpenBSD is not point and click. If you can figure out the installer, it means you actually read instructions. If you could install OpenBSD by just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after. Uh, I do not think so. The OpenBSD-installer is as easy as some gui-stuff, maybe much easier. Now blinking Touch me-Buttons, just straight work. I have done my first installation just without any documentation, it worked, but do not ask how the layout was :) In my opinion not the user-friendly task is important, but the easy and fast setup-possibility. Sometimes I neeed just a raw installation with an anonymous ftp for backup up some machine in trouble or for fileserving some data for a temporary issue, for that cases I love OpenBSD (as for some other reasons). Regards, Thorsten
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I think Freud would have something to say about the issues this fellow is having with his sex life . Dimitri Georganas wrote: It's always nice to see people find some level of harmony in their lives. (I really love the obsd installer btw, please don't change it) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lars, snip a whole bunch of blankety blank blank
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-Original Message- From: Michael Shalayeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:59 AM To: Will H. Backman Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: openbsd list fckery Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman: About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7. I had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and correct it. In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from scratch to completion in each case. Typing Ctrl-C and then install when you make a mistake isn't that difficult. -- I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly. OpenBSD is not point and click. If you can figure out the installer, it means you actually read instructions. If you could install OpenBSD by just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after. actually 90% of the installer we have is just pushing next. everything has most common reasonable defaults. so if it is really hard for you then perhaps you are just retarded and need treatment w/ electricity and if that does not help then perhaps should not use computers... I never said it was hard for me. I read the instructions. I also read the afterboot man page.
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Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman: -Original Message- From: Michael Shalayeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:59 AM To: Will H. Backman Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: openbsd list fckery Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Will H. Backman: About a week ago, I was trying to upgrade my dual boot laptop to 3.7. I had to run the installer about 20 times to figure out my problem and correct it. In the process, I learned more about fdisk and disklabel than I had ever needed to before, and I count that as a good thing. It took no more than about 5 minutes each time to run the installer from scratch to completion in each case. Typing Ctrl-C and then install when you make a mistake isn't that difficult. -- I think the installer should be the last thing to go user friendly. OpenBSD is not point and click. If you can figure out the installer, it means you actually read instructions. If you could install OpenBSD by just clicking Next, you would be in for a rough ride after. actually 90% of the installer we have is just pushing next. everything has most common reasonable defaults. so if it is really hard for you then perhaps you are just retarded and need treatment w/ electricity and if that does not help then perhaps should not use computers... I never said it was hard for me. I read the instructions. I also read the afterboot man page. it is addressed to the list as well so that may not necessarily mean you in single but rather you in multitude of the list wankers (: but since you actually took it upon self it's good. maybe you do not need electricity treatment after all (: cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
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I've only done a few installs, so I may be closer to the process than someone who has done it a hundred times... I had no real problem with it. Half the time people talking about user friendly really mean pretty and glossy which really is purely marketing. I've done a lot of Gentoo installs that were much harder than the obsd installer (when I finished obsd I said - damn, thats all?). Gentoo really does not have an installer - a boot disc and a lot of installation instructions. I made a few mistakes where going back may have helped, but I am not really sure it would have. Besides, making me start over kinda reinforced my learning so I did not do it again (bad dog, bad, whack with paper). I am sure someone will flame me for even commenting on that, then a gaggle of glommers-on on will flame me, then the people that want to be like them will flame me :) Otherwise, I thought it was simplicity itself. No problems at all, worked great. Installation instructions worked fine too. On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Sascha Ramin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the installer is great, its so simple and straight forward, i could do it with my eyes closed. what do you want gentoo's ? or fedoras. this isn't linux, if you cant handle the installer, your going to have a hard time running the OS. also if you think your really smart by using lots of four letter words, you've got more problems then just your installer. also this isn't a tech support hotline, people are going to help you if they feel like it. sbr -- Bill Chmura Explosivo ITG w. http://www.explosivo.com