Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Does anyone have an image of the crazy cat version half sheet they could share? Only one that's still eluding me. On 27 Aug 2012, at 03:09, Posteritati wrote: but Bouton was a sensational expose writer wife-swapper if not a terribly convincing actor. i also happen to love the interplay between elliot gould his cat plus mark rydell is a hoot as the heavy. On Aug 26, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: I might also mention that parts of the film are totally unintelligible and some very important issues are completely glossed over, like for instance why Nina Van Pallandt kills the woman and what the historical connection is between the victim and Sterling Hayden (who in my opinion is the single actor in the film that did a good job) that resulted in the crime. Why Terry Lennox is involved at all is almost completely ignored and to say that Jim Bouton was 100 times the ball player than he was an actor is an understatement of massive proportion At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to:
[MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know *THIS *one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): *http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673* Then there's *THIS *one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: *http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260* Then there's *THIS *one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: *http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927* Finally, there's this *OTHER *30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): *http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409* So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
I worked in a theater in Gainesville, FL, during the theatrical release. We only had the style C (Jack Davis art) one sheet. We only got one sheets at that theater. I didn't see the other styles until years later. I own them all, because I love the art and the movie. I don't know why the completely different syles are out there, and have wondered the same thing. Chris Quarles From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know THIS one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927 Finally, there's this OTHER 30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409 So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but I have no reason to doubt it... http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/movie-poster-of-the-week-the-long-goodbye On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:08 PM, chris quarles wrote: I worked in a theater in Gainesville, FL, during the theatrical release. We only had the style C (Jack Davis art) one sheet. We only got one sheets at that theater. I didn't see the other styles until years later. I own them all, because I love the art and the movie. I don't know why the completely different syles are out there, and have wondered the same thing. Chris Quarles From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know THIS one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927 Finally, there's this OTHER 30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409 So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
MovieArt has three of the style C one sheets for this title. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but I have no reason to doubt it... http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/movie-poster-of-the-week-the-long-goodbye On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:08 PM, chris quarles wrote: I worked in a theater in Gainesville, FL, during the theatrical release. We only had the style C (Jack Davis art) one sheet. We only got one sheets at that theater. I didn't see the other styles until years later. I own them all, because I love the art and the movie. I don't know why the completely different syles are out there, and have wondered the same thing. Chris Quarles From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know THIS one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927 Finally, there's this OTHER 30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409 So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Thanks for the info. Made me realise it's one that's grown on me. Unfortunately only thing I bothered picking up along the way was the quad with the boring International art. Between the Jack Davis and Amsell with the crazy cat for me. Just noticed how much the latter goes for. On 26 Aug 2012, at 19:24, Kirby McDaniel wrote: MovieArt has three of the style C one sheets for this title. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but I have no reason to doubt it... http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/movie-poster-of-the-week-the-long-goodbye On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:08 PM, chris quarles wrote: I worked in a theater in Gainesville, FL, during the theatrical release. We only had the style C (Jack Davis art) one sheet. We only got one sheets at that theater. I didn't see the other styles until years later. I own them all, because I love the art and the movie. I don't know why the completely different syles are out there, and have wondered the same thing. Chris Quarles From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know THIS one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927 Finally, there's this OTHER 30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409 So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Was eagerly awaiting, knew this was coming! On 26 Aug 2012, at 20:41, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Sam even as a deconstruction Altman's take falls down. If you remove all references to Marlowe and just make it a generic detective movie it falls on it's ass.. I have never considered it to be a film of much value and that goes even before I was a major Chandler nut. I saw the film before I ever read the novel and wondered what the f*ck Altman was thinking, and I like Altman's works. The critics.. they had mixed reviews for the film.. I need to go to the NYT and see what they were saying. I think it's an awful film on every level Rich At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
I might also mention that parts of the film are totally unintelligible and some very important issues are completely glossed over, like for instance why Nina Van Pallandt kills the woman and what the historical connection is between the victim and Sterling Hayden (who in my opinion is the single actor in the film that did a good job) that resulted in the crime. Why Terry Lennox is involved at all is almost completely ignored and to say that Jim Bouton was 100 times the ball player than he was an actor is an understatement of massive proportion At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Rich is as passionate about Marlowe as I am about Bondbut I would say that the Marlowe myth was not broken just damaged with the films that were set in the present as opposed to the period films (Powell, Bogart and later Mitchum). Marlowe is a hard boiled product of the 1930's to 50's as Sherlock Holmes is a product of the late 19th and early 20th century...Holmes has gained a resurgence for todays audiences. Marlow deserves a revisit...film noir is not dead. There are arguments that Marlowe is not a character for todays audiences. The cinema fans on here will add to that argument. As for the posters on The Long Goodbye...the film tanked as Rich has said, it didn't do any favours at the box office so it came down to re marketing the vehicle and Elliot Gould was known more for MASH and his less than serious rules. The film is painful to watch just as Robert Mitchum as Marlowe bumbling along in MIchael Winner's The Big Sleep. Mitchum's performance in Farewell My Lovely nails the story and character more so than any of the others (IMHO). Gould could never play the hard boiled film noir character that Chandler created. So we had an elongated marketing campaign to con audiences to se the film...the poster campaign didn't work the film was still poor with or without the Jack Davis art. I still think Marlowe could stand a revisit...Ridley Scott directing in the manner of Blade Runner, maybe Tarantino doing film noir? But to find an actor...I nominate Karl Urban. This Never Happend to the Other Fella... Adrian Cowdry jboh...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:41 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Yes the ‘crazy cat’ is the one for me, the incredibly rare one that Bruce lists as the regular reminds me of a David Hockney paintings, in particular the ones he did in Los Angeles around he late sixties, early seventies. Could of been a major influence on Amsel at the time. What a great take on Marlowe though by Altman, who’d of thought he would of turned out like that? Simon From: Richard C Evans Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:33 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Thanks for the info. Made me realise it's one that's grown on me. Unfortunately only thing I bothered picking up along the way was the quad with the boring International art. Between the Jack Davis and Amsell with the crazy cat for me. Just noticed how much the latter goes for. On 26 Aug 2012, at 19:24, Kirby McDaniel wrote: MovieArt has three of the style C one sheets for this title. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but I have no reason to doubt it... http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/movie-poster-of-the-week-the-long-goodbye On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:08 PM, chris quarles wrote: I worked in a theater in Gainesville, FL, during the theatrical release. We only had the style C (Jack Davis art) one sheet. We only got one sheets at that theater. I didn't see the other styles until years later. I own them all, because I love the art and the movie. I don't know why the completely different syles are out there, and have wondered the same thing. Chris Quarles From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know THIS one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927 Finally, there's this OTHER 30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409 So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Very well written Post Adrian ! very balanced viewpoint.Interesting. thanks for the share. best, Tom Original Message From: jboh...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:15:41 -0400 Rich is as passionate about Marlowe as I am about Bondbut I would say that the Marlowe myth was not broken just damaged with the films that were set in the present as opposed to the period films (Powell, Bogart and later Mitchum). Marlowe is a hard boiled product of the 1930's to 50's as Sherlock Holmes is a product of the late 19th and early 20th century...Holmes has gained a resurgence for todays audiences. Marlow deserves a revisit...film noir is not dead. There are arguments that Marlowe is not a character for todays audiences. The cinema fans on here will add to that argument. As for the posters on The Long Goodbye...the film tanked as Rich has said, it didn't do any favours at the box office so it came down to re marketing the vehicle and Elliot Gould was known more for MASH and his less than serious rules. The film is painful to watch just as Robert Mitchum as Marlowe bumbling along in MIchael Winner's The Big Sleep. Mitchum's performance in Farewell My Lovely nails the story and character more so than any of the others (IMHO). Gould could never play the hard boiled film noir character that Chandler created. So we had an elongated marketing campaign to con audiences to se the film...the poster campaign didn't work the film was still poor with or without the Jack Davis art. I still think Marlowe could stand a revisit...Ridley Scott directing in the manner of Blade Runner, maybe Tarantino doing film noir? But to find an actor...I nominate Karl Urban. This Never Happend to the Other Fella... Adrian Cowdry jboh...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:41 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
I've never seen Altman's TLG but this thread will make me chase it down (I love most of Altman's earlier stuff so I'd be surprised if I find it a total turn off). I always liked the rather philosophical James M Cain response - to a moviegoer who told him she was horrified at what they did you your book - They didn't do anything to my book, it's still there on the shelf. Neil From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2012, 21:09 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? I might also mention that parts of the film are totally unintelligible and some very important issues are completely glossed over, like for instance why Nina Van Pallandt kills the woman and what the historical connection is between the victim and Sterling Hayden (who in my opinion is the single actor in the film that did a good job) that resulted in the crime. Why Terry Lennox is involved at all is almost completely ignored and to say that Jim Bouton was 100 times the ball player than he was an actor is an understatement of massive proportion At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
geeze everyone is civil on Mopo thois is awesome.. some great posts... maybe we are all getting to old to spar anymore??? :) anyways its cool seeing people talk about movies instead of minty whites and ebay ripoffs.. thanks FolkS hope everyones having a good day. Original Message From: sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:09:57 -0700 I might also mention that parts of the film are totally unintelligible and some very important issues are completely glossed over, like for instance why Nina Van Pallandt kills the woman and what the historical connection is between the victim and Sterling Hayden (who in my opinion is the single actor in the film that did a good job) that resulted in the crime. Why Terry Lennox is involved at all is almost completely ignored and to say that Jim Bouton was 100 times the ball player than he was an actor is an understatement of massive proportion At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
I think I paid close to $200 for the cat insert from Bruce about 5 years ago Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Richard C Evans evan...@mac.com wrote: Thanks for the info. Made me realise it's one that's grown on me. Unfortunately only thing I bothered picking up along the way was the quad with the boring International art. Between the Jack Davis and Amsell with the crazy cat for me. Just noticed how much the latter goes for. On 26 Aug 2012, at 19:24, Kirby McDaniel wrote: MovieArt has three of the style C one sheets for this title. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Matt Johnston wrote: I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but I have no reason to doubt it... http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/movie-poster-of-the-week-the-long-goodbye On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:08 PM, chris quarles wrote: I worked in a theater in Gainesville, FL, during the theatrical release. We only had the style C (Jack Davis art) one sheet. We only got one sheets at that theater. I didn't see the other styles until years later. I own them all, because I love the art and the movie. I don't know why the completely different syles are out there, and have wondered the same thing. Chris Quarles From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? Does anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye? There are some real oddities to it! We all know THIS one-sheet, marked Style C, with Jack Davis art (and it also exists as a 30x40): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=8828673 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which has no ratings, so it is international: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=4714260 Then there's THIS one-sheet, which seems to be the regular one-sheet, but it is incredibly rare: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=15516927 Finally, there's this OTHER 30x40 image, which one would think exists as a one-sheet, but I haven't had it (it is also on an insert): http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/archive_image.php?id=16393409 So what's the deal? Where are the Style A and Style B one-sheets, and why are some of these posters really rare? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Ditto! Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Posteritati m...@posteritati.com wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Ditto! Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Posteritati m...@posteritati.com wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
And I will just add to this discussion: for my personal collection, I am looking for half sheets for the film. The style which is signed by Amsel is, in effect, style A (although it does not say so) the unsigned style with the bright orange cat is style B. If any Mopo member has either of these two half sheets, I am currently looking for both. Walter On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chris Quarles chrisquar...@yahoo.comwrote: Ditto! Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Posteritati m...@posteritati.com wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to:
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
Rich, that's they make all the flavors. you are entitled to you opinion! best, sam On Aug 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Sam even as a deconstruction Altman's take falls down. If you remove all references to Marlowe and just make it a generic detective movie it falls on it's ass.. I have never considered it to be a film of much value and that goes even before I was a major Chandler nut. I saw the film before I ever read the novel and wondered what the f*ck Altman was thinking, and I like Altman's works. The critics.. they had mixed reviews for the film.. I need to go to the NYT and see what they were saying. I think it's an awful film on every level Rich At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
I don't like the other flavor : - ) At 07:05 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: Rich, that's they make all the flavors. you are entitled to you opinion! best, sam On Aug 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Sam even as a deconstruction Altman's take falls down. If you remove all references to Marlowe and just make it a generic detective movie it falls on it's ass.. I have never considered it to be a film of much value and that goes even before I was a major Chandler nut. I saw the film before I ever read the novel and wondered what the f*ck Altman was thinking, and I like Altman's works. The critics.. they had mixed reviews for the film.. I need to go to the NYT and see what they were saying. I think it's an awful film on every level Rich At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing
Re: [MOPO] Anyone know what went on with the first campaign for The Long Goodbye?
but Bouton was a sensational expose writer wife-swapper if not a terribly convincing actor. i also happen to love the interplay between elliot gould his cat plus mark rydell is a hoot as the heavy. On Aug 26, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: I might also mention that parts of the film are totally unintelligible and some very important issues are completely glossed over, like for instance why Nina Van Pallandt kills the woman and what the historical connection is between the victim and Sterling Hayden (who in my opinion is the single actor in the film that did a good job) that resulted in the crime. Why Terry Lennox is involved at all is almost completely ignored and to say that Jim Bouton was 100 times the ball player than he was an actor is an understatement of massive proportion At 12:49 PM 8/26/2012, Posteritati wrote: rich, beg to differ but altman's deconstruction of marlowe is simply brilliant and considered so by many influential film critics. in my opinion book adaptations should not necessarily heed closely to the original. fyi,i am also a big marlowe fan and have read loved his books. regards, sam Posteritati 239 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102 http://www.posteritati.com/ On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: quick answer. Released with the original Amsel style A B. film did poorly (because as a Raymond Chandler adaptation, the film sucks. more below) film was pulled a new comedic ad campaign was designed with MAD artist Jack Davis. the film apparently didn't last a couple weeks in it's first release and it didn't get wide release either, so distribution of posters was minimal. it is interesting to note I have never been able to find a Pressbook with the original posters and Walt Reuben says there isn't one, although the pressbook for the re-issued campaign is very common. The international design is not in the pressbook. It is also interesting to note that all four styles do exist as 1sh, insert, hs possibly 30x40. I have never seen 3sheets for the Amsel designs, although I do have the Davis not too long ago got the International from Bruce's auctions. It is unusual for a film of this time period to have 4 different posters in those sizes mentioned. why Long Goodbye SUCKS this is really something that gets down to the basic content of the book and how Altman decided to translate it. #1 all Marlowe books are first-person stories. All scenes written contain Marlowe and what is described is what he sees. #2 Altman's movie making philosophy is diametrically opposed to such a structure. Altman's films are ensemble pieces where each character is equally as important as all others and even the starring actors are secondary concepts. Any single character standing out is anathema to Altman's style #3 Altman literally destroyed the Marlowe myth as a White Knight. He changed Marlowe from an intelligent chess player, college grad (Marlowe broke his nose as a football player in college), a former investigator in the District Attorney's office and the anti- misogynist into a bumbling detective who couldn't find his own shoes under his bed and then finally at the end of the film, a murderer who happily dances down the road after killing Terry Lennox in cold blood. the film should have been made as a standard vehicle without any attribution to Chandler. As a Marlowe movie, it's even worse than the Brasher Doubloon which also partially destroyed the Marlowe myth, but wasn't as pretentious as Altman's interpretation of Chandler's work. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
