Re: [MOPO] MP Grading
Last time I thought about this I had about 70 concerns and Todd kindly responded to around half of them. My thoughts on - buyers have confidence/no fear: - As a buyer prior to purchase I can't check that the COA is indeed for the poster being sold. To be 100% sure of the authenticity, I first have to take the COA document to MPGrading and pay them to analyse/cross referenced it against the permanent invisible stain put onto the poster. How much will this cost me, how much will it cost me to send it to them and also have it returned, will my cherished poster get damaged during transit or whilst there, will it arrive back or be lost? Can I do this check before I buy a poster, not likely. If I do a check after purchase, will the seller reverse the transaction if found there to be no match?... unlikely. To me as a buyer I find no value in this at all. I most certainly couldn't do this for every poster purchased which is accompanied by the MPGrading COA - the others would all remain unauthenticated. If I on sold the poster with a COA and it turned out they were not a match, could there be any legal ramifications for me? Additionally I guess the stain on the poster may discolor over time - I am assuming the stain hasn't been tested over real years, maybe simulated sped up years. Who knows for sure, anyone had a poster with the stain on it for 10 years or more? Put me in the skeptical camp, I think the idea is in the right place... but... I see MPGrading/COA overall as a negative in my poster acquisitions: cost, possible damage, an unknown stain. Will I lose the COA? (it will be another thing I need to keep track of) Will I muddle up the COA and associate it with another copy of the poster I have... I better stop thinking about this again... Steve Enders From: James Gresham jamesalangres...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012, 2:10 Subject: [MOPO] MP Grading I wanted to make an unsolicited comment about MP Grading. I have slowly but surely been sending my entire collection to MP Grading. I think its is a wonderful service. They have been professionally grading and evaluating my collection. In this post Haggard era of horror, this is a very comforting thing to do. I see some real benefits to this program. There is some inconvenience and some minor costs, but they are far outweighed by the benefits. Some of the benefits I see are: 1. I have the assurance that my cards and posters are truly legitimate. 2. They give you a professional looking certificate for each card showing the grade. 3. I have found that with some sellers grades vary, depending upon the person doing the grading. This MP Grading system will take much of the subjectivity out of the system. As a buyer, I would much rather purchase a card that they have graded, as it is consistent, not subject to the whim of the seller. 4. They take a very good photo of each card or poster. 5. As a seller, I can sell a card grading it with confidence, as I just use the grade that MP Grading has given it. I believe I am getting better prices selling cards that they have graded. Buyers can be confident. Especially for me, as I was associated with Haggard. Buyers have no fear. 6. I often worry about what would happen if there was ever a fire or a theft. MP Grading provides a secondary source of verification should I ever need it with my insurance company. As a matter of fact, I know Four Color Comics experienced this very thing. 7. I like the fact that my cards are not sealed like cgc cards. I want my cards out for displaying. Overall, I think it is wonderful what MP Grading is doing for our hobby. If everyone got on board, our hobby would be a better, safer, more professional hobby. I think that would raise our values. Anyway, I am very impressed with what MP Grading is doing for our hobby. I encourage each and every collector and dealer to get on board. Like I said, Todd has no idea I am sending this out. It is truly from the heart. Jim Gresham PS. Dont forget to buy Children of the Night They're Here Already! They can be found at... www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 www.greshamsinc.com www.childrenofthenightbook.com www.theyreherealreadybook.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List
Re: [MOPO] MP Grading
Steve, you are obviously a detailed guy. But, I think you are reading way too much into this. It's much simpler and easier then all of your what ifs. The good greatly out weighs the vague what if this happens or what if that happens. I am not about to try an address every contingency. I have tried it my experience is that this is wonderful and of real value. Its not perfect. Its probably not for you I understand. But, *when you find something that is good, you want people to know.* For example, people have been posting about how good Hugo the movie is. Well, I have found something good wanted to let people know. There will still be people who dont like Hugo. Jim On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Steve E seemailbox2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Last time I thought about this I had about 70 concerns and Todd kindly responded to around half of them. My thoughts on - buyers have confidence/no fear: - As a buyer prior to purchase I can't check that the COA is indeed for the poster being sold. To be 100% sure of the authenticity, I first have to take the COA document to MPGrading and pay them to analyse/cross referenced it against the permanent invisible stain put onto the poster. How much will this cost me, how much will it cost me to send it to them and also have it returned, will my cherished poster get damaged during transit or whilst there, will it arrive back or be lost? Can I do this check before I buy a poster, not likely. If I do a check after purchase, will the seller reverse the transaction if found there to be no match?... unlikely. To me as a buyer I find no value in this at all. I most certainly couldn't do this for every poster purchased which is accompanied by the MPGrading COA - the others would all remain unauthenticated. If I on sold the poster with a COA and it turned out they were not a match, could there be any legal ramifications for me? Additionally I guess the stain on the poster may discolor over time - I am assuming the stain hasn't been tested over real years, maybe simulated sped up years. Who knows for sure, anyone had a poster with the stain on it for 10 years or more? Put me in the skeptical camp, I think the idea is in the right place... but... I see MPGrading/COA overall as a negative in my poster acquisitions: cost, possible damage, an unknown stain. Will I lose the COA? (it will be another thing I need to keep track of) Will I muddle up the COA and associate it with another copy of the poster I have... I better stop thinking about this again... Steve Enders -- *From:* James Gresham jamesalangres...@gmail.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Thursday, 26 January 2012, 2:10 *Subject:* [MOPO] MP Grading I wanted to make an unsolicited comment about MP Grading. I have slowly but surely been sending my entire collection to MP Grading. I think its is a wonderful service. They have been professionally grading and evaluating my collection. In this post Haggard era of horror, this is a very comforting thing to do. I see some real benefits to this program. There is some inconvenience and some minor costs, but they are far outweighed by the benefits. Some of the benefits I see are: 1. I have the assurance that my cards and posters are truly legitimate. 2. They give you a professional looking certificate for each card showing the grade. 3. I have found that with some sellers grades vary, depending upon the person doing the grading. This MP Grading system will take much of the subjectivity out of the system. As a buyer, I would much rather purchase a card that they have graded, as it is consistent, not subject to the whim of the seller. 4. They take a very good photo of each card or poster. 5. As a seller, I can sell a card grading it with confidence, as I just use the grade that MP Grading has given it. I believe I am getting better prices selling cards that they have graded. Buyers can be confident. Especially for me, as I was associated with Haggard. Buyers have no fear. 6. I often worry about what would happen if there was ever a fire or a theft. MP Grading provides a secondary source of verification should I ever need it with my insurance company. As a matter of fact, I know Four Color Comics experienced this very thing. 7. I like the fact that my cards are not sealed like cgc cards. I want my cards out for displaying. Overall, I think it is wonderful what MP Grading is doing for our hobby. If everyone got on board, our hobby would be a better, safer, more professional hobby. I think that would raise our values. Anyway, I am very impressed with what MP Grading is doing for our hobby. I encourage each and every collector and dealer to get on board. Like I said, Todd has no idea I am sending this out. It is truly from the heart. Jim Gresham PS. Dont forget to buy Children of the Night They're Here Already! They can be found
Re: [MOPO] MP Grading
Jim and Rick Thanks for your kind words... Steve, The COA and/or the Poster DO NOT have to be sent back to for confirmation. Both the poster and the COA have the invisble DNA ink mark but both can be checked by a high frequency UV light. Just by running the UV light over the bottom corner of the poster or over the tag on the COA you can see that the numbersmatch. Here is the link to tht information: http://www.mpgrading.com/Pages.aspx?Page=Certificate There is also a physical match that can be done just by contacting us over the phone. We offer a grading data sheet that can accompany the poster and becomes a permanent record for the poster, this can be transfered from person to person as the poster changes hands. This is a great indicator of the condition the poster is in when it leaves us, goes back to the collector, or changes hands at a later date.You can actually check the flaws on the poster in regards to the flaws on the grading sheet, plus you can check them against our high resolution image. ThisPATENTED grading system gives a reporducable grade and is objective, not subjective like any other grading system. If you sent a poster, comic, coin, etc into anyone who grades, most likely you will get a different grade based on who is doing the grading that day, what THEIR criteria is, if their having a bad, etc. With our system it doesn't matter who is doing the grading, they simply follow the grading sheet, fill in the number of flaws, the flaws all have wieghts assigned to them, thenthe computer generates the grade. This is reproducable... This can be seen here: http://www.mpgrading.com/Pages.aspx?Page=Grading The DNA ink mark's color has been checked out to 12 yrs. Most of the questions you might have can be answered by looking at our new web site. Regards Todd -Original Message- From: James Gresham <jamesalangres...@gmail.com>Sent: Jan 26, 2012 5:29 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] MP Grading Steve, you are obviously a detailed guy. But, I think you are reading way too much into this. It's much simpler and easier then all of your "what ifs." The good greatly out weighs the vague what if this happens or what if that happens. I am not about to try an address every contingency. I have tried it my experience is that this is wonderful and of real value. Its not perfect. Its probably not for you I understand. But, when you find something that is good, you want people to know. For example, people have been posting about how good "Hugo" the movie is. Well, I have found something good wanted to let people know. There will still be people who dont like Hugo. Jim On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Steve E seemailbox2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Last time I thought about this I had about 70 concerns and Todd kindly responded to around half of them. My thoughts on - buyers have confidence/no fear: - As a buyer prior to purchase I can't check that the COA is indeed for the poster being sold. To be 100% sure of the authenticity, I first have to take the COA document to MPGrading and pay them to analyse/cross referenced it against the permanent "invisible" stain put onto the poster. How much will this cost me, how much will it cost me to send it to them and also have it returned, will my cherished poster get damaged during transit or whilst there, will it arrive back or be lost? Can I do this check before I buy a poster, not likely. If I do a check after purchase, will the seller reverse the transaction if found there to be no match?... unlikely. To me as a buyer I find no value in this at all. I most certainly couldn't do this for every poster purchased which is accompanied by the MPGrading COA - the others would all remain unauthenticated. If I on sold the poster with a COA and it turned out they were not a match, could there be any legal ramifications for me? Additionally I guess the stain on the poster may discolor over time - I am assuming the stain hasn't been tested over real years, maybe simulated sped up years. Who knows for sure, anyone had a poster with the stain on it for 10 years or more? Put me in the skeptical camp, I think the idea is in the right place... but... I see MPGrading/COA overall as a negative in my poster acquisitions: cost, possible damage, an unknown stain. Will I lose the COA? (it will be another thing I need to keep track of) Will I muddle up the COA and associate it with another copy of the poster I have... I better stop thinking about this again... Steve Enders From: James Gresham jamesalangres...@gmail.comTo: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012, 2:10Subject: [MOPO] MP Grading I wanted to make an unsolicited comment about MP Grading. I have slowly but surely been sending my entire collection to MP Grading. I think its is a wonderful service. They have been professionally grading and evaluating my collection. In this post Haggard era of horror, this is a ver
Re: [MOPO] MP Grading
Hi Jim, I can certainly share your enthusiasm for having ones own poster(s) authenticated by someone reputable in the industry. Thumbs up to MPGrading for offering their authentication service. A great peace of mind to be had for sure. Where it falls apart for me is where the COA and staining become involved. The COA is only really meant to be of any use when selling the poster. I however see this to be of little or no use for a buyer (as per my previous message), in fact they may have bid/or paid more for the poster thinking it adds more value than it really does. Hi Todd, Thanks for the explanation. If people can read the invisible code with a UV light reader, why not just print that code on the COA in normal black ink instead? Are UV light readers not available to crooks? This makes no sense to me. The answer appears to be that the ink contains DNA, invisible DNA laced ink. The DNA on the COA can only be confirmed by a lab against the DNA on the poster because: This DNA sequence is so secure it is admissible in a court of law - unique to 1 in 33 trillion. If a phone call or checking data sheets was all that was required to confirm authenticity, what purpose is the hyped DNA (which I believe needs to get analysed by a 3rd party lab) and also the RFID Tag which can only be analysed by MPGrading? Well it clearly makes no sense to me, and to avoid me asking 400 more questions, I'll leave it at that. Thanks Steve From: James Gresham jamesalangres...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012, 23:29 Subject: Re: [MOPO] MP Grading Steve, you are obviously a detailed guy. But, I think you are reading way too much into this. It's much simpler and easier then all of your what ifs. The good greatly out weighs the vague what if this happens or what if that happens. I am not about to try an address every contingency. I have tried it my experience is that this is wonderful and of real value. Its not perfect. Its probably not for you I understand. But, when you find something that is good, you want people to know. For example, people have been posting about how good Hugo the movie is. Well, I have found something good wanted to let people know. There will still be people who dont like Hugo. Jim On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Steve E seemailbox2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Last time I thought about this I had about 70 concerns and Todd kindly responded to around half of them. My thoughts on - buyers have confidence/no fear: - As a buyer prior to purchase I can't check that the COA is indeed for the poster being sold. To be 100% sure of the authenticity, I first have to take the COA document to MPGrading and pay them to analyse/cross referenced it against the permanent invisible stain put onto the poster. How much will this cost me, how much will it cost me to send it to them and also have it returned, will my cherished poster get damaged during transit or whilst there, will it arrive back or be lost? Can I do this check before I buy a poster, not likely. If I do a check after purchase, will the seller reverse the transaction if found there to be no match?... unlikely. To me as a buyer I find no value in this at all. I most certainly couldn't do this for every poster purchased which is accompanied by the MPGrading COA - the others would all remain unauthenticated. If I on sold the poster with a COA and it turned out they were not a match, could there be any legal ramifications for me? Additionally I guess the stain on the poster may discolor over time - I am assuming the stain hasn't been tested over real years, maybe simulated sped up years. Who knows for sure, anyone had a poster with the stain on it for 10 years or more? Put me in the skeptical camp, I think the idea is in the right place... but... I see MPGrading/COA overall as a negative in my poster acquisitions: cost, possible damage, an unknown stain. Will I lose the COA? (it will be another thing I need to keep track of) Will I muddle up the COA and associate it with another copy of the poster I have... I better stop thinking about this again... Steve Enders From: James Gresham jamesalangres...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012, 2:10 Subject: [MOPO] MP Grading I wanted to make an unsolicited comment about MP Grading. I have slowly but surely been sending my entire collection to MP Grading. I think its is a wonderful service. They have been professionally grading and evaluating my collection. In this post Haggard era of horror, this is a very comforting thing to do. I see some real benefits to this program. There is some inconvenience and some minor costs, but they are far outweighed by the benefits. Some of the benefits I see are: 1. I have the assurance that my cards and posters are truly
Re: [MOPO] MP Grading
Hi, Jim, I agree wholeheartedly with everything in your post. Coincidentally, I just picked up a number of posters that had been graded and evaluated by MP Grading. Not only is Todd one of the nicest and most gracious guys in the hobby, but he's a true professional with a passion not only for movie posters in general, but also for providing what I believe are necessary safeguards to protect the hobby from other unsavory characters like Kerry Haggard. Others like him will undoubtedly appear on the movie poster scene in the future if services like Todd's MP Grading aren't around to be the hobby's watch-dog of sorts. I also want to compliment Todd's business partner/photographer Aaron Raymond, who does amazing work and is a really great guy himself. They certainly make an incredible team...very highly recommended. Rick Ryan In a message dated 1/25/2012 8:10:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jamesalangres...@gmail.com writes: I wanted to make an unsolicited comment about MP Grading. I have slowly but surely been sending my entire collection to MP Grading. I think its is a wonderful service. They have been professionally grading and evaluating my collection. In this post Haggard era of horror, this is a very comforting thing to do. I see some real benefits to this program. There is some inconvenience and some minor costs, but they are far outweighed by the benefits. Some of the benefits I see are: 1. I have the assurance that my cards and posters are truly legitimate. 2. They give you a professional looking certificate for each card showing the grade. 3. I have found that with some sellers grades vary, depending upon the person doing the grading. This MP Grading system will take much of the subjectivity out of the system. As a buyer, I would much rather purchase a card that they have graded, as it is consistent, not subject to the whim of the seller. 4. They take a very good photo of each card or poster. 5. As a seller, I can sell a card grading it with confidence, as I just use the grade that MP Grading has given it. I believe I am getting better prices selling cards that they have graded. Buyers can be confident. Especially for me, as I was associated with Haggard. Buyers have no fear. 6. I often worry about what would happen if there was ever a fire or a theft. MP Grading provides a secondary source of verification should I ever need it with my insurance company. As a matter of fact, I know Four Color Comics experienced this very thing. 7. I like the fact that my cards are not sealed like cgc cards. I want my cards out for displaying. Overall, I think it is wonderful what MP Grading is doing for our hobby. If everyone got on board, our hobby would be a better, safer, more professional hobby. I think that would raise our values. Anyway, I am very impressed with what MP Grading is doing for our hobby. I encourage each and every collector and dealer to get on board. Like I said, Todd has no idea I am sending this out. It is truly from the heart. Jim Gresham PS. Dont forget to buy Children of the Night They're Here Already! They can be found at... _www.childrenofthenightbook.com_ (http://www.childrenofthenightbook.com/) _www.theyreherealreadybook.com_ (http://www.theyreherealreadybook.com/) -- Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct Ray Mi 48096 586 677-7669 _www.greshamsinc.com_ (http://www.greshamsinc.com/) _www.childrenofthenightbook.com_ (http://www.childrenofthenightbook.com/) _www.theyreherealreadybook.com_ (http://www.theyreherealreadybook.com/) Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
