Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
She seems like an interesting woman who led a full life though her writing style is not quite my cup of tea. Doing a bit of research I see William James was one of her teachers and mentors. He encouraged her writings though apparently they were never quite on the same page, so to speak. Thank you for the reference. I would say words always have meaning, otherwise they're gibberish. Now, whether or not they convey the intended meaning is questionable if taken out of context. Also, I think the MOQ would say we are continually defining not only words but all static patterns that arise from experience. You may want to define 'writing.' I for one am not particularly captivated by the German language though I do from time to time use Google Translator to discover what someone is trying to say to me. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Greetings, Sound sight and sense around sound by sight with sense around by with sound sight sense will apologise truthfully. Com to allowing. As often as not as often as not they as often as not were to be going away. A plan that is made and causes it to be that if they were after all not behaving as if they could by an indifference to an extravagantly prepared advantage which is by nearly their importance advising them to be more than as well as if by the time that it is to be comparatively obtained in an intentional adjustment of the renewal and bestowal of whether by the chance of their adjoining they may be colliding without an impatience which can be changed to an addition of their bestowal which is in a way might it be shadowed as because of this which is an objection to their having it can be an interval of it just the same which is preferably not only a reason because they may be that is if it could be to notice that having looked to see. It should never be an exact copy. What is the difference between starting and starting when may they like it looking part of the time as if very much their hope that they will be without in the meantime furnishing it as an advantage which it is to the more delighted explanation of their being very ready to send very many apples. (Stein, Gertrude, 'How to Write') Marsha: Very dynamic, don't you think? Fitting of the code of art? Too dynamic? This is from the chapter titled 'A Vocabulary of Thinking'. Ms. Stein was a very clever intellectual. Some would say far far more clever than Joyce, but, alas, a woman. Her writing was extremely influential on the Beat writers. I am wondering how these torn pages of words will be experienced in a collage. Do words, without meaning, affect the viewer? Are we human beings so captivated by writing that we will be compelled to try to discover a meaning? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi Dan, 01010110 01100101 01110010 0001 0010 01100100 01101001 01110011 0111 0111 0111 0110 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01110100 01101000 0111 01110100 0010 0001 0110 01110101 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 01101110 0110 01110100 0010 01100011 0111 0111 01110100 01101001 01110110 0111 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01100010 0001 0010 01110100 01101000 01100101 0010 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 0111 01101110 0010 01101100 0111 01101110 01100111 01110101 0111 01100111 01100101 00101110 Yes, I was aware she was a student of William James. That makes a nice story, doesn't it? I was more wondering what affect words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. have on human beings if they do not have access to their meaning like in a collage. Will they try to discover the meaning? Does the above represent writing? Marsha On Dec 27, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: She seems like an interesting woman who led a full life though her writing style is not quite my cup of tea. Doing a bit of research I see William James was one of her teachers and mentors. He encouraged her writings though apparently they were never quite on the same page, so to speak. Thank you for the reference. I would say words always have meaning, otherwise they're gibberish. Now, whether or not they convey the intended meaning is questionable if taken out of context. Also, I think the MOQ would say we are continually defining not only words but all static patterns that arise from experience. You may want to define 'writing.' I for one am not particularly captivated by the German language though I do from time to time use Google Translator to discover what someone is trying to say to me. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Greetings, Sound sight and sense around sound by sight with sense around by with sound sight sense will apologise truthfully. Com to allowing. As often as not as often as not they as often as not were to be going away. A plan that is made and causes it to be that if they were after all not behaving as if they could by an indifference to an extravagantly prepared advantage which is by nearly their importance advising them to be more than as well as if by the time that it is to be comparatively obtained in an intentional adjustment of the renewal and bestowal of whether by the chance of their adjoining they may be colliding without an impatience which can be changed to an addition of their bestowal which is in a way might it be shadowed as because of this which is an objection to their having it can be an interval of it just the same which is preferably not only a reason because they may be that is if it could be to notice that having looked to see. It should never be an exact copy. What is the difference between starting and starting when may they like it looking part of the time as if very much their hope that they will be without in the meantime furnishing it as an advantage which it is to the more delighted explanation of their being very ready to send very many apples. (Stein, Gertrude, 'How to Write') Marsha: Very dynamic, don't you think? Fitting of the code of art? Too dynamic? This is from the chapter titled 'A Vocabulary of Thinking'. Ms. Stein was a very clever intellectual. Some would say far far more clever than Joyce, but, alas, a woman. Her writing was extremely influential on the Beat writers. I am wondering how these torn pages of words will be experienced in a collage. Do words, without meaning, affect the viewer? Are we human beings so captivated by writing that we will be compelled to try to discover a meaning? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
According to the MOQ, we're submerged in culture. Intellectual patterns, or meaning, arises from social values, or context. If we used binary code in a cultural setting then the above represents writing. To me, it doesn't. It's just a bunch of 1s and 0s. Taking a book and making a work of art from it changes the intellectual value, wouldn't you say? It's sort of like a kidnapper cutting letters from ads and pasting them together to form a ransom note. The meaning is there but it has been changed from its original intent. On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, 01010110 01100101 01110010 0001 0010 01100100 01101001 01110011 0111 0111 0111 0110 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01110100 01101000 0111 01110100 0010 0001 0110 01110101 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 01101110 0110 01110100 0010 01100011 0111 0111 01110100 01101001 01110110 0111 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01100010 0001 0010 01110100 01101000 01100101 0010 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 0111 01101110 0010 01101100 0111 01101110 01100111 01110101 0111 01100111 01100101 00101110 Yes, I was aware she was a student of William James. That makes a nice story, doesn't it? I was more wondering what affect words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. have on human beings if they do not have access to their meaning like in a collage. Will they try to discover the meaning? Does the above represent writing? Marsha On Dec 27, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: She seems like an interesting woman who led a full life though her writing style is not quite my cup of tea. Doing a bit of research I see William James was one of her teachers and mentors. He encouraged her writings though apparently they were never quite on the same page, so to speak. Thank you for the reference. I would say words always have meaning, otherwise they're gibberish. Now, whether or not they convey the intended meaning is questionable if taken out of context. Also, I think the MOQ would say we are continually defining not only words but all static patterns that arise from experience. You may want to define 'writing.' I for one am not particularly captivated by the German language though I do from time to time use Google Translator to discover what someone is trying to say to me. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Greetings, Sound sight and sense around sound by sight with sense around by with sound sight sense will apologise truthfully. Com to allowing. As often as not as often as not they as often as not were to be going away. A plan that is made and causes it to be that if they were after all not behaving as if they could by an indifference to an extravagantly prepared advantage which is by nearly their importance advising them to be more than as well as if by the time that it is to be comparatively obtained in an intentional adjustment of the renewal and bestowal of whether by the chance of their adjoining they may be colliding without an impatience which can be changed to an addition of their bestowal which is in a way might it be shadowed as because of this which is an objection to their having it can be an interval of it just the same which is preferably not only a reason because they may be that is if it could be to notice that having looked to see. It should never be an exact copy. What is the difference between starting and starting when may they like it looking part of the time as if very much their hope that they will be without in the meantime furnishing it as an advantage which it is to the more delighted explanation of their being very ready to send very many apples. (Stein, Gertrude, 'How to Write') Marsha: Very dynamic, don't you think? Fitting of the code of art? Too dynamic? This is from the chapter titled 'A Vocabulary of Thinking'. Ms. Stein was a very clever intellectual. Some would say far far more clever than Joyce, but, alas, a woman. Her writing was extremely influential on the Beat writers. I am wondering how these torn pages of words will be experienced in a collage. Do words, without meaning, affect the viewer? Are we human beings so captivated by writing that we will be compelled to try to discover a meaning? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
