Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi Dan, On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: According to the MOQ, we're submerged in culture. Yes. Intellectual patterns, or meaning, arises from social values, or context. Are you equating 'meaning' and intellectual patterns? If we used binary code in a cultural setting then the above [binary code] represents writing. To me, it doesn't. It's just a bunch of 1s and 0s. Is that your story and you're sticking to it? Those ones and zeros have meaning for me because they are a translation of a particular sentence I used as input into a binary translator. Groups of any sequence of eight 1s and 0s _suggest_ meaning to me, even if I don't know that meaning, because I have a distant recollection (experience) of their having meaning. That's my pattern (social or intellectual) and I am hypothetically sticking to it. Taking a book and making a work of art from it changes the intellectual value, wouldn't you say? Yes the context has changed, but I am not sure how you are understanding intellectual value? Gosh, I'm not sure computers still use those ones zeros as on off switches, but I do know that this particular series can be translated into a sentence with meaning. It's sort of like a kidnapper cutting letters from ads and pasting them together to form a ransom note. The meaning is there but it has been changed from its original intent. From my particular point-of-view, the context is always changing, sometimes changing more radically than others. It's all grist for the art mill. Marsha On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, 01010110 01100101 01110010 0001 0010 01100100 01101001 01110011 0111 0111 0111 0110 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01110100 01101000 0111 01110100 0010 0001 0110 01110101 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 01101110 0110 01110100 0010 01100011 0111 0111 01110100 01101001 01110110 0111 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01100010 0001 0010 01110100 01101000 01100101 0010 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 0111 01101110 0010 01101100 0111 01101110 01100111 01110101 0111 01100111 01100101 00101110 Yes, I was aware she was a student of William James. That makes a nice story, doesn't it? I was more wondering what affect words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. have on human beings if they do not have access to their meaning like in a collage. Will they try to discover the meaning? Does the above represent writing? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
01011001 0110 01110101 00101100 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 0111 01101110 0010 01101001 01100100 01101001 0110 01110100 00101110 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:31 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: According to the MOQ, we're submerged in culture. Yes. Intellectual patterns, or meaning, arises from social values, or context. Are you equating 'meaning' and intellectual patterns? If we used binary code in a cultural setting then the above [binary code] represents writing. To me, it doesn't. It's just a bunch of 1s and 0s. Is that your story and you're sticking to it? Those ones and zeros have meaning for me because they are a translation of a particular sentence I used as input into a binary translator. Groups of any sequence of eight 1s and 0s _suggest_ meaning to me, even if I don't know that meaning, because I have a distant recollection (experience) of their having meaning. That's my pattern (social or intellectual) and I am hypothetically sticking to it. Taking a book and making a work of art from it changes the intellectual value, wouldn't you say? Yes the context has changed, but I am not sure how you are understanding intellectual value? Gosh, I'm not sure computers still use those ones zeros as on off switches, but I do know that this particular series can be translated into a sentence with meaning. It's sort of like a kidnapper cutting letters from ads and pasting them together to form a ransom note. The meaning is there but it has been changed from its original intent. From my particular point-of-view, the context is always changing, sometimes changing more radically than others. It's all grist for the art mill. Marsha On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, 01010110 01100101 01110010 0001 0010 01100100 01101001 01110011 0111 0111 0111 0110 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01110100 01101000 0111 01110100 0010 0001 0110 01110101 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 01101110 0110 01110100 0010 01100011 0111 0111 01110100 01101001 01110110 0111 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01100010 0001 0010 01110100 01101000 01100101 0010 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 0111 01101110 0010 01101100 0111 01101110 01100111 01110101 0111 01100111 01100101 00101110 Yes, I was aware she was a student of William James. That makes a nice story, doesn't it? I was more wondering what affect words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. have on human beings if they do not have access to their meaning like in a collage. Will they try to discover the meaning? Does the above represent writing? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 3:31 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: According to the MOQ, we're submerged in culture. Yes. Intellectual patterns, or meaning, arises from social values, or context. Are you equating 'meaning' and intellectual patterns? Definition, meaning, ideas... they all seem to correlate to intellectual patterns, wouldn't you say? If we used binary code in a cultural setting then the above [binary code] represents writing. To me, it doesn't. It's just a bunch of 1s and 0s. Is that your story and you're sticking to it? It isn't a story. Those ones and zeros have meaning for me because they are a translation of a particular sentence I used as input into a binary translator. Groups of any sequence of eight 1s and 0s _suggest_ meaning to me, even if I don't know that meaning, because I have a distant recollection (experience) of their having meaning. That's my pattern (social or intellectual) and I am hypothetically sticking to it. The movement of birds and ants _suggest_ meaning to me too even though I don't know that meaning. You seem to be arguing for nothing more than the sake of argument. Taking a book and making a work of art from it changes the intellectual value, wouldn't you say? Yes the context has changed, but I am not sure how you are understanding intellectual value? Gosh, I'm not sure computers still use those ones zeros as on off switches, but I do know that this particular series can be translated into a sentence with meaning. Isn't that what I said? It's sort of like a kidnapper cutting letters from ads and pasting them together to form a ransom note. The meaning is there but it has been changed from its original intent. From my particular point-of-view, the context is always changing, sometimes changing more radically than others. It's all grist for the art mill. Sorry but this makes no sense at all. Obviously having a discussion here is a waste of time. Goodbye. Marsha On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, 01010110 01100101 01110010 0001 0010 01100100 01101001 01110011 0111 0111 0111 0110 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01110100 01101000 0111 01110100 0010 0001 0110 01110101 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 01101110 0110 01110100 0010 01100011 0111 0111 01110100 01101001 01110110 0111 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01100010 0001 0010 01110100 01101000 01100101 0010 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 0111 01101110 0010 01101100 0111 01101110 01100111 01110101 0111 01100111 01100101 00101110 Yes, I was aware she was a student of William James. That makes a nice story, doesn't it? I was more wondering what affect words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. have on human beings if they do not have access to their meaning like in a collage. Will they try to discover the meaning? Does the above represent writing? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Goodbye Dan. On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 3:31 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: According to the MOQ, we're submerged in culture. Yes. Intellectual patterns, or meaning, arises from social values, or context. Are you equating 'meaning' and intellectual patterns? Definition, meaning, ideas... they all seem to correlate to intellectual patterns, wouldn't you say? If we used binary code in a cultural setting then the above [binary code] represents writing. To me, it doesn't. It's just a bunch of 1s and 0s. Is that your story and you're sticking to it? It isn't a story. Those ones and zeros have meaning for me because they are a translation of a particular sentence I used as input into a binary translator. Groups of any sequence of eight 1s and 0s _suggest_ meaning to me, even if I don't know that meaning, because I have a distant recollection (experience) of their having meaning. That's my pattern (social or intellectual) and I am hypothetically sticking to it. The movement of birds and ants _suggest_ meaning to me too even though I don't know that meaning. You seem to be arguing for nothing more than the sake of argument. Taking a book and making a work of art from it changes the intellectual value, wouldn't you say? Yes the context has changed, but I am not sure how you are understanding intellectual value? Gosh, I'm not sure computers still use those ones zeros as on off switches, but I do know that this particular series can be translated into a sentence with meaning. Isn't that what I said? It's sort of like a kidnapper cutting letters from ads and pasting them together to form a ransom note. The meaning is there but it has been changed from its original intent. From my particular point-of-view, the context is always changing, sometimes changing more radically than others. It's all grist for the art mill. Sorry but this makes no sense at all. Obviously having a discussion here is a waste of time. Goodbye. Marsha On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Dan, 01010110 01100101 01110010 0001 0010 01100100 01101001 01110011 0111 0111 0111 0110 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01110100 01101000 0111 01110100 0010 0001 0110 01110101 0010 0111 01110010 01100101 0010 01101110 0110 01110100 0010 01100011 0111 0111 01110100 01101001 01110110 0111 01110100 01100101 01100100 0010 01100010 0001 0010 01110100 01101000 01100101 0010 01000111 01100101 01110010 01101101 0111 01101110 0010 01101100 0111 01101110 01100111 01110101 0111 01100111 01100101 00101110 Yes, I was aware she was a student of William James. That makes a nice story, doesn't it? I was more wondering what affect words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. have on human beings if they do not have access to their meaning like in a collage. Will they try to discover the meaning? Does the above represent writing? Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
