RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis resturants posted as banning guns.
What is the penalty for someone with a conceal-carry permit entering a private establishment with a posted sign? With or without a verbal notification? --assuming the concealed weapon is 'seen' and ignored. A misdemeanor fine? Is the weapon confiscated? How effective will such signs/notifications be? Will we also see boycotts of establishments 'banning' legal concealed weapons by those that support the law? Michael Hohmann Linden Hills TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast
Cub Foods in Northeast? What the heck do we need with another overgrown big box grocer in northeast? We have two Rainbows (Quarry Central) and a Cub (Apache) nearby. If this is such a needed thing then I would think Cub and its mega parent company could food the bill and do it themselves, with out city support of any kind. If Paul Ostrow is truly for this I will have to email him my disappointment with his favor of ruining a very wonderful part of this city. I love Central Ave for all its diversity of businesses. I would have thought after the previous plan met with such opposition that Cub Foods would have realized they are not really wanted in that area. On another Cub plan for the Minnehaha area. Are they still trying to force themselves on that area as well? Maybe MCDA could come up with 50 or 60 mill for a nice block downtown for them to build on. After all, Cub and Target would make great neighbors. When will my city council realize that big companies have enough money to do what they want, and don't need to step up to the trough of public money. What ever happened to Capitalism, or has it truly given over to more socialistic tendencies? Maybe I should stop now before I rant and rave too much. Ron Leurquin Waite park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] EDITORIAL :Target breaks promise to community
What a surprise. How many times does Minneapolis have to get ripped off before we figure out that we're the CHUMPS. Target Corporation doesn't care if you call it names - THEY HAVE THE MONEY! We have the DEBTS! Ditto the rich municipal bondholders - call them what you want to - but KEEP SENDING THOSE TAX FREE INTEREST PAYMENTS! It doesn't matter if one's heart is in the right place if one's head is lodged in that dark place. We need to use BOTH organs. Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] It's time to REVISE the City's 2003 Truth in Taxation Budget
Following is the 2003 summary of Minneapolis Income and Expenses that was handed out last December at the Truth in Taxation hearing. We're a lot smarter now that the legislative session is over. One of our City accounts needs to UPDATE these numbers so we know where we stand. Also, please identify where all of the forgiven loans appear. 2003 Revenues - $1.22 Billion 329,400,000 From Selling Services 158,600,000 From State Government 158,600,000 From Property Taxes 146,400,000 From Other 122,000,000 From Other Funds 61,000,000 From TIF Property Tax 48,800,000 From Federal Government 48,800,000 From Rents 48,800,000 From Sales Other Taxes 24,400,000 From Franchise Fees 24,400,000 From Licenses Permits 12,200,000 From Local Government 12,200,000 From Selling Things 12,200,000 From Fines and Forfeitures 12,200,000 From Special Assessments Zero From Interest 2003 Expenditures - $1.22 Billion 231,800,000 Public Works 146,400,000 MCDA 122,000,000 Capital Improvement 122,000,000 Debt Service 97,600,000 Other 97,600,000 Police 97,600,000 Transfers to Other Funds 73,200,000 Park Board 48,800,000 Fire Dept 48,800,000 City Coordinator 24,400,000 Health Family Support 24,400,000 Convention Center 24,400,000 Licenses Inspections 24,400,000 Library Board 24,400,000 Other Independent Boards 12,200,000 City Attorney Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] RE: An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast
Thank you for the info on yet another proposed CUB foods . These things are like tribbles, you kill one in one location and three more pop up in others. I as a north-east (Audubon) resident have been looking forward to the opening of the rumored NE Co-op for nearly as long as I have lived in my home (almost 9 years). The idea of a large box store opening in either of those suggested blocks on Central would be a disaster for the new co-op and the neighborhood (which I pass through daily) in my opinion. Other CUB debacles: Cedar and Minnehaha Parkway (resoundingly defeated by neighborhood) Penn and Lowry (pending - backed by a few - most don't know the city they want the MCDA property at Penn-Lowry) As a northeast resident ... I would ask CUB (and be calling Council Member Ostrow's office to send my request) that you please stick to the strip malls and out of our neighborhoods. Andrew Korf Audubon TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast
I also have been looking forward to the co-op, and having just bought a house in Northeast I really like the fact that there are so many little corner restaurants and the like, its what drew me to the neighborhood. It is ridiculous to think that this area needs another huge warehouse grocery store! And losing affordable housing to facilitate a new one is a horrible idea. I urge people in his district to call Councilperson Ostrow and tell him your feelings: (612)673-2201. Allysen Hoberg Audobon Park -Original Message- From: B. Shoe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:29 PM To: mpls forum Subject: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast Following last year's collapse of the Sherman Associates proposal to develop a Cub Foods and housing on the US Bank site on Central Avenue in the Holland neighborhood, Sherman and Cub parted ways. However, Cub has continued to express interest in locating a store in the area-particularly if they can get the city to pave the way (and presumably to give them a healthy subsidy while they're at it). Cub and their current developer, Oppidan Development Company, have been looking around for an alternative site, preferably as close to the Central Lowry intersection as possible. The trouble is, there are no large undeveloped parcels in this area so anything they do will require the destruction of significant amounts of existing commercial and residential property. Despite that fact, Cub appears to have the strong support of Paul Ostrow's office, which has been heavily involved in promoting and facilitating a new Cub proposal. This time around the MCDA is involved as well. Their prime target is now the block between Lowry and 24th Avenue NE on the east side of Central in the Windom Park neighborhood. The MCDA is reportedly now looking at the possibilities of clearing that whole block for Cub or, alternatively, of clearing the rest of the block behind the existing storefronts on Central, closing Polk, and getting the whole next block to the east as well. This would save the commercial strip but end up leaving much of the Cub development protruding far into a residential area. Either option would entail the loss of significant amounts of housing. There are about 23 units of low-cost housing above the commercial spaces on Central and another 19 units of single family homes or duplexes on the rest of the block. The block to the east has approximately 30 single family home and duplex units. The threatened commercial businesses include some longtime Northeast landmarks-B Sharp Music, Tom's Nails, and American Quality Jewelers, plus many newer businesses--including the ethnic merchants now making the street so colorful. A new taqueria and new Caribbean restaurant are now in the works for a couple of the currently unoccupied storefronts on the block. There is a great deal of history on the block--one business had a speakeasy in its basement back during prohibition of which many of the fixtures still remain. In all, it is a colorful and interesting block with several very nice multi-story classic old brick buildings all right in the heart of the increasingly vibrant Central-Lowry shopping district. In an attempt to soften the expected neighborhood opposition to the proposal, the developer, with the strong encouragement of the city, commissioned a market study aimed at demonstrating that a Cub Foods at this location--one block from the site of the soon to open Eastside Food Cooperative--would not have a serious impact on the co-op. (Three neighborhoods and close to 700 area households have now invested in the co-op). Even the representative of Cub Foods was reportedly very skeptical of this idea due to the fact that such studies are notoriously unreliable. They are based on so many subjective assumptions that they can easily be made to show practically any conclusion the surveyor (or those paying them) want them to show. In this case the market study showed exactly what the Cub proponents who paid for it wanted-that impacts will be minimal and both stores will do just fine. I'm not going to go into all the questionable assumptions likely to be contained in that market study in this post but...I'm sure the developers got what they paid for. The Windom Park neighborhood group will be hearing from the proponents of the proposal at its meeting on Tuesday, June 17th at 7pm at Pillsbury School Park Addition, 2251 Hayes St.NE. That meeting might be a good opportunity to ask our public officials some questions. For instance: Why are people supposedly so committed to maintaining the uniqueness and diversity of Central Avenue supporting and facilitating proposals that would essentially rip the heart and soul out of the center of the whole area? How will the housing lost be replaced? Will the public have to pay for any of this replacement? What is the best current estimate of the total public subsidy needed for this
[Mpls] Target Surveillance
Michael Atherton wrote: We don't have much Constitutional protection of privacy in public and there is no reasonable assumption why we should. True, the courts haved ruled that there is lessened expectation of privacy in public but just how public are streets monitored 24/7 by cameras supplied by a private corporation? But for the Target Corporation, the MPD would not be using these cameras at this time. Blanket video surveillance for the purpose of crime prevention on this scale is new for the City of Mpls. - it is not the same thing as a WCCO webcam filming Nicollet Mall, a MNDOT camera filming rush hour, or an MTC camera filming passengers boarding a bus. In the context of the many privacy concerns ushered in by the PATRIOT ACT, concerns affirmed by the recent resolution passed by our council, a public hearing was warranted on this issue. Amy Draeger Audubon Park (another card-carrying member of the ACLU) _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] EDITORIAL :Target breaks promise to community
I have asked this question before and am still looking for the answer; When the city gives money to a private company for development, are there any stipulations placed on that company when they take the money? For example, if I go to Northside Housing and get a low interest loan on my house, the first $1000 of the loan doesn't have to be paid back IF I live in the house for five years. If I sell my house in less than five years, I have to give that $1,000 back (and they do come after it). Are any stipulations made with corporations? Also, everyone talks about the money Target got to build downtown. They also got money for building on Broadway ($15 mil or something like that). How about Lake Street and their Quarry store? Seems like they should be able to afford some loss (if there is a loss) when they get all that free money. Anne McCandless Jordan - Original Message - From: Shawn Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: [Mpls] EDITORIAL :Target breaks promise to community EDITORIAL Target breaks promise to community By: Ron Edwards Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder Originally posted 6/4/2003 Target breaks promise to community The Target Corporation's announcement last week that it will close its store in North Minneapolis at Broadway and Lyndale Avenue North has gripped this portion of the city, which will be devastated economically and possibly politically. This decision throws into question the relationship between Target and its parent companies - the Dayton Hudson-Marshall Field is empire - and the City of Minneapolis. In a news release from Minneapolis City Council Member Natalie Johnson Lee, (Green Party, 5th Ward, where this shutdown is targeted), she raises the question asked whenever corporate America decides to pull the rug out from under the least of its citizens, which, in this case, is clearly us, people of color: What about the $66 million in subsidies that the Target Corporation received for its significant and lucrative venture in downtown Minneapolis (a very large Target store, Target corporate headquarters, and other amenities and considerations)? The decision by Target has not been met by the Oh Boss, that's okay that the Target hierarchy anticipated, particularly in light of the ease with which reliable sources tell us they closed a store in Detroit. The decision to close this Target by August 2, throwing 123 citizens, human beings, into the street (a very significant number of them African Americans and residents of the immediate community) staggers the mind with respect to a once great corporation whose reputation was that of being caring in its relationship with communities of color. We understand that both Council Member Natalie Johnson Lee and State Representative Keith Ellison will be holding public information meetings, or even hearings, to review the impact our community will suffer as an outgrowth of this decision by Target. The rationale provided to a group of African American leaders a week ago was that this store is in the lower fifth percentile of stores in terms of profit making. http://www.spokesman-recorder.com Shawn Lewis, Field Neighborhood -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Video Surveillance;Cub in Northeast;Carwash
Before anything else: Anyone know when that fundraising carwash is starting in north Minneapolis on Friday? I have it in my calendar without a time. The single danger I can see in posting video cameras downtown is convincing camera that harm CAN'T come from video surveillance. Consider: The traffic management center monitors traffic all over the metro. It has been using cameras for years and years. As a result of that, people have learned to expect BENEFIT from the government watching them. But now we have a secret agency called Homeland Security. It wants to do all kinds of things that are Big Brother-ish. Right now, I think there's serious resistance. But all it has to do is let the populace be seasoned to certain methods and the resistance might soften. People might lose all sense of normal resistance, might come to look at security agencies as benign (which in most of the world they certainly are not). Were that to happen, this process of gaining footholds with pilot campaigns like this would be responsible in an important way. I guess the final question is whether the dangers of being in downtown really warrant the growth of the government's security function. I'm not against all government growth, but I think one is justified in being wary of the growth of the government's police power. You can't be perfectly secure and free at the same time. You can be both free and SECURE ENOUGH by the use of your intelligence to make sound decisions about what you do. And that's all that a free person really needs: to be SECURE ENOUGH. A person only remains free by mastering their fears to the degree that they aren't forced into decisions by uncontrollable fears. * Ms. Heller's post about realtime fingerprints made me wonder something. If lasers can take off tatoos, that go well into the skin, why can't they modify fingerprints? When that technology finally exists, will fingerprints be that valuable? They are already compromised by the use of plastic gloves at crime scenes. * I just read someone's good point about Cub. WHY, when the chief competition of Cub is on the ropes, should Minneapolis, already so tight on funds that it laid off firefighters and police, spend a CENT on building a new Cub? Someone should get Ostrow to answer that question. Is it jobs for northeasters? Has anyone told Ostrow what Cub jobs pay? And the other question that seldom gets answered is: How many jobs DISAPPEAR when a discounter moves in somewhere? Because, frankly, total business doesn't grow that much. It does increase, but seldom right after a new business opens. The first result is simply the transfer of business from one company to another. Outside the bright lights that always highlight a new business is the economic misery of dying competitors. So how come the advocates of subsidizing new business care so little for constituents who go belly up? Most of America's retailers have had THIS experience with Wal-Mart, though I don't think Wal-Mart demands subsidies to open a new branch of its empire. When it wants to go in somewhere, you can barely STOP it. Anyway, employment is not the top issue in Minneapolis right now. We have always had a degree of difficulty in that area, so new jobs aren't a bad thing. But we shouldn't be offering up our public safety function as a sacrifice for economic development. We need crime fighters and fire fighters slightly more than we need more jobs. Several people have raised the issue of Target supplying the surveillance system. Just by way of logic I think Target realizes that in this fiscal environment, if the city had to BUY the system, it just would never happen. Some people MIGHT say Heck put a camera at every corner and we can lay off even more cops. But I'm pretty sure the majority of residents would gag and say no way. Maybe the gated communities would cheer for such a proposal, but I think we like to hire humans (and then hope they don't beat up people like the bad apples do). Jim Mork Cooper Neighborhood Longfellow Community In The Great and Wonderful City I Call Home, Minneapolis TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: North/South Minneapolis Target
Shrinkage is an expected loss in all retail stores, and they work constantly on ways to combat it. (I spent time in the Financial Accounting dept. at Target Co. writing computer programs to try to pinpoint such losses.) But despite high shrinkage, the bottom line is that the Lake St. Target has been profitable, while the Broadway one has lost money for the past 8 years. Why would we expect a business to keep operating a store that the neighborhood has shown they do not want to patronize? Do we want to force Target into bankruptcy like K-Mart? How would that be helpful to the city? Tim Bonham, Ward 12, Standish-Ericsson A couple of years ago, I got trapped in conversation with a man who does (or did at the time) financial analysis for Target. He told me that the Lake Street Target, not the Broadway store, was the worst store in terms of internal losses and shrinkage, . . . Eric Oines North Minneapolis TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast
I have lived in Northeast for most of my life, and I don't think that Cub moving onto Central would be destructive. I like all the small businesses that are on Central also, but know that it is badly in need of some big name business to move in and take up shop there. One only needs to look at Grand Ave in Saint Paul to realize the potential Central Ave has. However, I am not in favor of a city backing the deal. I feel that business can make money, and have many advantages in making such a move onto a road such as Central Ave without government backing. Just take a look at Target in North Minneapolis as an example of a failure in government financial help. Target won't be living out the TIFF district plan that they signed up for if they move. As far as knocking Paul Ostrow around regarding this issue. I am hardly a backer of Paul, but it isn't the job of the city council member to micro-manage businesses. If a business wants to move in and are doing so within the letter of the law, they should be able to do so. The option of the council member having to get involved any more than making sure that the law is followed, leads to corruption and influence peddling. Be aware that I'm not accusing President Ostrow of such things, but I'm saying that a council member that requires businesses to bend a knee in front of the alter of the council does cause these problems. Meeting the needs, wants, and desires of the residents of the area will prove it's self out by the business being able to conduct business. Steve Sumner Waite Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Slow-speed protest in Northeast
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3921875.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Who's afraid of the big bad Cub... and why we need a real co-op
Every once in the while it's necessary to give the NIMBYs of this list a reality check and sort of put things in perspective. Cub is not the wolf that WalMart, A.K.A. the Beast of Bentonville, is. They're not the (paper) tiger Target is either. Cub is a subsidiary of Super Valu, a medium sized grocery wholesaler and to a smaller degree retailer. Super Valu was founded and is still located in Minnesota and employes thousands of well paid union members. Cub can and has built stores on a site as small as a hectare, or one old style square city block. Given the space needed for parking, loading dock, etc.. that's as small a size as you can practically build a grocery store. A new store must also be located on a designated truck route, so it pretty much has to be located on a main street. The vehicular traffic a grocery store generates also pretty much requires that it be located on a main street such as Central or Lowry. A new co-op would be wise to follow similar criteria in picking a location unless they plan to have a much smaller customer base and pay higher distribution costs. Which begs the question- why is it that most of the opposition to Cub is coming from supporters of the promised Northeast food co-op? Northeast co-opers, you have good reason to fear Cub. Cub will carry much of same commodities as your co-op, and with their economies of scale they'll be able to run you right out of business... unless you develop a better business plan. Just a stones throw from the end of the Floyd B. Olson Memorial Highway lies the town of Fairmount, North Dakota. The busiest, and just about only business, in Fairmount is the co-op. That co-op features a convience store, deli, pizza, fuels, car, truck, and machinery parts and repairs, a hardware store, seeds, farm chemicals, lubricants, etc.. They also provide planting and farm chemical application services. But Fairmount's co-op doesn't carry natural foods, in fact they don't carry a lot of foods other than milk, bread, and snacks at all. Why? Because unlike our Northeast co-op the Fairmount co-op meets their community's needs instead of trying to dictate them. They don't carry a lot of groceries or clothes because Super Value's retailers and WalMart, etc.. can sell them for less within an hour's drive from Fairmount. But even Walmart doesn't fix tractor tires so the Fairmount co-op provides that and similar needed services for it's community. So I would suggest that the Northeast co-op's organizers set aside the 60s counterculture model for their yuppie co-op and take a drive west on the Floyd B. Olson Memorial Highway. Stop at as many co-ops as possible and see why there succeeding. Then come back and listen to the communities needs. Instead of $3 a loaf bread, could we instead have useful stuff like hardware for century old houses? Ethnic food for our immigrants, even if not natural? And a silo full of bulk corn fuel for our furnaces and biodiesel at the pump? hanging on in Hawthorne, Dyna Sluyter TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Budget
Jim Mork asks: I see in the financial overview for 2003 (http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/citywork/city-coordinator/financ e/services-budget/docs/budgetbook2003/Section3.pdf#page=1) that the 2003 figure for police and civilian review is $100.8 million, up 4 percent from $96.7. Why so many layoffs when the budget is ACTUALLY increasing? Health care and pension costs are rising faster than 4 percent. I know those are two big reasons. There may be other costs in there, too. David Brauer King Field TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] NRP: $65 million over 7 years
That's a best-case estimate from City Councilmember Barret Lane about what can be generated for the final phase of the program. Nearly a third of that money comes in the final year, 2009. Comments? Steve Brandt's story is at: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3921976.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Fading Quarry Rainbow
I've not followed the list in a while. I did see a few subject lines about Cub Foods and Rainbow Foods. I heard that Rainbow Foods at the Quarry is closing. Can anyone confirm this? Thomas T. Thai / Whittier TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Who's afraid of the big bad Cub... and why we need a realco-op
Dyna wrote: Every once in the while it's necessary to give the NIMBYs of this list a reality check and sort of put things in perspective. Cub is not the wolf that WalMart, A.K.A. the Beast of Bentonville, is. They're not the (paper) tiger Target is either. Cub is a subsidiary of Super Valu, a medium sized grocery wholesaler and to a smaller degree retailer. Super Valu was founded and is still located in Minnesota and employes thousands of well paid union members. Every once in a while it's important to check one's facts. Supervalu is not a medium sized grocery wholesaler and to a smaller degree retailer. From the very front page of their web site: SUPERVALU is the 11th largest food retailer and the nation's leading food distributor. We have approximately 57,800 full and part-time employees with career opportunities throughout the country SUPERVALU is a Fortune 100 company and growing SUPERVALU is among Fortunes Most Admired Companies SUPERVALU ranks number 2 among Minnesotas Top 10 public companies For fiscal 2003, retail operations represent 51% of total sales and 72% of segment operating earnings at SUPERVALU. Now I like Supervalu as much as the next guy, but saying they are corporately small is not an argument for having a Big Box Cub in one's neighborhood. It's the Big Box, more than the corporation, that's the problem, although predatory corporations like WalMart and Walgreens make such a situation worse. I don't see the people in northeast saying Not in My Backyard. I see them saying don't wipe out a block of successful and highly desirable businesses and homes simply to build something which is not highly needed in that specific area. Chris Johnson Fulton TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] All Hope is Not Lost - Target Surveillance Vote
In this day of being grateful for signs of sanity wherever one can find it, I am breathing a little easier this morning knowing MPLS City Council members Schiff, Benson, Lane, and Zimmerman just all voted No on the proposal to accept security camera donations from the Target Corporation for use downtown. Aside from this proposal passing, the worst thing that could have happened was for there to have been no resistance at all. Bravo CM's Schiff, Benson, Lane, Zimmerman. Amy Draeger Audubon Park _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Who's afraid of the big bad Cub...
on 6/6/03 9:52 AM, Chris Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dyna wrote: Every once in the while it's necessary to give the NIMBYs of this list a reality check and sort of put things in perspective. Cub is not the wolf that WalMart, A.K.A. the Beast of Bentonville, is. All I know is that when Cub built their big rectangle down in Windom (60th and Nicollet) within the last decade, the runoff from their enormous parking lot helped worsen flooding there - and helped result in torn-down homes and construction of a new drainage lake - at some public expense. David Brauer King Field TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast
Steve wrote: As far as knocking Paul Ostrow around regarding this issue. I am hardly a backer of Paul, but it isn't the job of the city council member to micro-manage businesses. If a business wants to move in and are doing so within the letter of the law, they should be able to do so. The option of the council member having to get involved any more than making sure that the law is followed, leads to corruption and influence peddling. Be aware that I'm not accusing President Ostrow of such things, but I'm saying that a council member that requires businesses to bend a knee in front of the alter of the council does cause these problems. Meeting the needs, wants, and desires of the residents of the area will prove it's self out by the business being able to conduct business. Steve Sumner Waite Park - Councilperson Ostrow has set up an informational meeting on June 17th to hear the wants needs and desires of his residents. He obviously wants to hear from his neighbors. Doesn't every business have to get permits to operate in a neighborhood? Especially if there is going to be housing and other establishments torn down to facilitate it? I just like living in a part of the city where small businesses can start and not have to worry, like Block E did, about filling space with Red Lobsters and only chain stores and restaurants who can afford massive investments. Allysen Hoberg Audobon Park -Original Message- From: Steve Sumner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast I have lived in Northeast for most of my life, and I don't think that Cub moving onto Central would be destructive. I like all the small businesses that are on Central also, but know that it is badly in need of some big name business to move in and take up shop there. One only needs to look at Grand Ave in Saint Paul to realize the potential Central Ave has. However, I am not in favor of a city backing the deal. I feel that business can make money, and have many advantages in making such a move onto a road such as Central Ave without government backing. Just take a look at Target in North Minneapolis as an example of a failure in government financial help. Target won't be living out the TIFF district plan that they signed up for if they move. As far as knocking Paul Ostrow around regarding this issue. I am hardly a backer of Paul, but it isn't the job of the city council member to micro-manage businesses. If a business wants to move in and are doing so within the letter of the law, they should be able to do so. The option of the council member having to get involved any more than making sure that the law is followed, leads to corruption and influence peddling. Be aware that I'm not accusing President Ostrow of such things, but I'm saying that a council member that requires businesses to bend a knee in front of the alter of the council does cause these problems. Meeting the needs, wants, and desires of the residents of the area will prove it's self out by the business being able to conduct business. Steve Sumner Waite Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] No guns at May Day Cafe
There IS a NO GUNS HERE website. There you will find that official and tailored BANS GUNS signs can be ordered free for businesses and generic 'THIS HOUSEHOLD BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES from Marcom Direct and Thoele Printing. http://www.nogunshere.com St. Joan of Arc, for instance will have signs and order forms available for those businesses and neighbors wanting to announce their prohibition on carrying guns on and into properties and buildings throughout Minneapolis. Andy Driscoll Saint Paul From: Sue Ponsford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:38:55 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] No guns at May Day Cafe My friend Charlie made May Day Cafe's No Guns sign so I know they're on a place you can get a coffe and scone without getting shot. Several people have approached me about creating a No Guns Here website, so those of us who want to patronize places that are gun free can choose in advance. I don't have time but would be interested to know if anyone is going to take that on. Sue Bryant __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Walk for Barbara
On June 12,2000 Barbara Schneider was experiencing a mental health crisis. When police, ill-equipped to handle a mental health crisis, were called by a neighbor, six officers appeared on the scene. They broke down her front door after filling her living room with CS gas. By this time Barbara had retreated to what she thought was the safety of her bedroom. When the police kicked in her bedroom door, they confronted a terrified woman in the midst of a mental health crisis crouched against the back wall clutching a kitchen knife. When she moved toward the police with the knife in her hand after being told to drop the knife she was shot nine times in the chest, arm and head. Join The Friends of Barbara Schneider on June 12th at 7pm in a commemorative walk from the triangular park at 24th and Hennepin to Barbara's old apartment at 31st and Hennepin. The mission of The Barbara Schneider Foundation, the sponnsor of this walk, is to eliminate the criminalization and abusive treatmnt of people with mental illness by improviing public safety and mental health systems through active training and public education. Tim Connolly Downtown Friend of Barbara Schneider __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] The intrepid 5th Grade Car Washers!!!!
The 5th Graders at Nellie Stone Johnson School are doing GREAT car washes in the parking lot there!! Yes, neither rain, nor wind nor damp shall keep them from their appointed task!!! They removed ALL of the pesky, stuck on bugs from my headlights and windshield, they've got key chains and anti-violence packets and car litter bags for you, and they're taking a survey of things that YOU want to help make better in the neighborhood. PLEASE They'll be there until 2:00, let's show our support!THANK YOU! TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] NRP
List member Ann Berget noticed the head on my article in the paper this morning: Funding shrinks for neighborhoods Does anyone out there know if psychiatry is an allowable NRP expense? Steve Brandt Star Tribune TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] NRP
Steve Brandt wrote: List member Ann Berget noticed the head on my article in the paper this morning: Funding shrinks for neighborhoods Does anyone out there know if psychiatry is an allowable NRP expense? If there is you might want to check for other unconscious influences. For instance the use of the phrase, ...the city has estimated how much it can expect for its prime neighborhood program if the money isn't RAIDED for competing priorities. Why not, if the money isn't USED for competing priorities, or if the money isn't ALLOCATED for competing priorities, or if the money isn't APPROPRIATED for competing priorities. Of course this is not the first Star Tribune news story that should have appeared in the opinion section. You might also consider labeling reductions as prime cuts given that you describe the NRP as the prime neighborhood program. Michael Atherton Prospect Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Unpaid internships
In response to the city's call for businesses to hire teens this summer, I had suggested hiring unpaid interns. Someone had contacted me offlist, questioning the value of an unpaid job. Since then I have found out more about internships and would like to elaborate. An unpaid intern is not totally out in the cold. If the school has an internship program, the student will get class credits and in some cases an hourly wage paid by the school. If the school doesn't have such a program, the intern doesn't get a paycheck but perks are still possible. At my workplace in particular, interns get free meals and free access to corporate health faciilties. Also, an internship might only involve two days a week, leaving the student time to pursue paying jobs. Even more importantly, though, the intern gets a foot in the door to the old boy or old girl network. We all have friends who we inform about job openings before jobs are available. If a young person is privy to that information, and logs actual work experience at a big-name company on his or her resume, that experience will make the intern stand out among a crowded field of job candidates. I still remember the first employer who took a chance on me, and said I was hired because mine was the only letter without spelling errors. We all have the ability to give a young person that step up. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Crime Statistics and myth perceptions
Before there were statistics, there were myths. These stories were allegories about ourselves. They told about out values, hopes and dreams. Myths served as a symbolic reflection of our inner selves. Today, we count numbers. And much like myths, the numbers reflect what we value. CODEFOR numbers are based on the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports. The Uniform Crime Reporting process is organized and managed by the U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation. It was established to collect similar crime information from all communities throughout the United States to monitor local, regional and national crime trends. Quite simply, it is a way of comparing apples to apples ( crime statistics) across the nation. Not all crimes readily come to the attention of the police and consequently are not good indicators of a community's criminality. Therefore, for practical purposes, the FBI settled on a group of eight crimes to use as a national standard to measure criminality, because they are frequently reported, because of their seriousness and their volume. Collectively the eight crimes are known as the UCR Part I Offenses. The eight crimes are: 1) Criminal Homicide 2) Forcible Rape 3) Robbery 4) Aggravated Assault 5) Burglary 6) Larceny Theft 7) Motor Vehicle Theft 8) Arson. The Part I Offenses are further sub-grouped into Crimes Against Persons and Crimes Against Property. In the UCR Program, the offenses of Criminal Homicide, Forcible Rape and Aggravated Assault are crimes against persons and one offense is counted per victim. Robbery, Burglary, Larceny Theft, Motor Vehicle Theft and Arson are crimes against property and one offense is counted per event except in the case of Motor Vehicle Theft where one offense is counted per vehicle stolen. A second grouping of crimes known as the UCR Part II offenses include all criminal offenses not included in the above categories. Some offenses, largely local ordinance violations, are excluded. The Part II offense groups include Narcotics, Prostitution and Gambling. These categories reflect proactive enforcement action. Consequently they are not indicators of criminality but indicators of enforcement action. Albert Einstein said Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. What is counted is what is of value. Each community has its own set of values, the Minneapolis community has its own. Each individual in turn, has a set of different priorities. Some crimes in Minneapolis are under reported (theft), others have a high percentage of incidents reported (murder). Do not confuse Part 1 Crime numbers, CODEFOR, or a plethora of other statistics as a reflection of law enforcement tactics and /or strategies. To catch a Rapist, an officer has a better opportunity doing so if enforcing quality of life crimes than Part I crimes. You could wait all day for a Rapist and never see one, but conduct directed patrol in specific areas and you'll catch a handful of Level III sex offenders. For further information, please contact the Minneapolis Police Department CODEFOR Unit 612-673-3082, or write to Minneapolis Police Department CODEFOR Unit 217 South 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55410 Lt. Gregory W. Reinhardt Minneapolis Police CODEFOR Unit 612-673-3587 TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] NRP
List member Barb Lickness probably knows the authoritative answer, but it's my belief that anything not specifically outlawed by NRP statutes is in fact allowed, even shrinks, if that's what the neighborhood residents want. Dunno about meds, though. That could be an ongoing and operating expense, something often declined by the Policy Board. (Who writes those heads, anyway?) Ann Berget Kingfield
[Mpls] Re: Career Tracking in St Paul and other Minnesota SchoolDistricts
I am forwarding this information, which I posted on the state discussion list, to this list also, because it specifically pertains to the Minneapolis school district: The following websites are Minneapolis' Small Learning Communities First Choice Application. They are about all students applying for a career pathway in 8th grade in order to move into 9th grade. The Small Learning Community is the student's career path. It is a required application for 8th grade students. http://www.mpls.k12.mn.us/registration/1stChoice.pdf http://www.mpls.k12.mn.us/schools/school_guide/application.pdf (2003/2004) The next website is a guide for Minneapolis schools. More detail about the mandatory application and subjective selection of a students limited choice. http://www.mpls.k12.mn.us/schools/school_guide/HS_program.shtml Some students will get their 1st choice (from the options provided only). Others will get their 2nd or 3rd. Many don't have access to their 1st, 2nd or 3rd options. In addition, students who don't complete their applications accurately, completely and on time, are assigned a career pathway. The St. Paul school district, under Superintendent Pat Harvey begins its SLC process in 2005. Our objections are: 1. All students in the district must have a career pathway before entering 9th grade. It forces career decisions at a very early age, based on superficial skills surveys in undeveloped personalities. 2. The career options are limited. 3. Large numbers of students do not get into their preferred options. 4. All education is focused around careers for the needs of business and the economic development plan of the state. (As in the Governor's Workforce Development Council -GWDC.) While there ought to be a place for some career investigation, education ought not be defined as simply job training, with enough minimum knowledge to be useful. That is a huge philosophical shift in the purpose of education. Please read Rigor and Relevance: A New Vision for Career and Technical Education A White Paper by Betsy Brand, April 2003. http://www.aypf.org/publications/aypf_rigor_0004v.3.pdf Thanks for asking. Julie M. Quist Maple River Education Coalition St. Paul --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eva Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks: I would like to hear more about this accusation that kids are tracked into career tracks in the 8th or 9th grade. Georgia Dietz running for the St Paul School Board was making the same accusation. When I asked Senator Linda Higgins about this, she said that according to the Minneapolis School Board this wasn't happening in Minneapolis. Is this happening in St Paul? Some of the stuff Mr Ed rants about is nonsense - especially their anti-gay rantings which I've described before on the MPD list. However during a recent school board election in Minneapolis, there were candidates from the left and the right expressing this concern about premature tracking of students. Eva Young Across the River in Minneapolis X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:23:31 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MREdCo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Questions for the Commissioner X-DCC-CPI-Metrics: Prairie 1161; Body=1568 Fuz1=1568 Fuz2=1568 Maple River Education Coalition 1402 Concordia Avenue St. Paul, MN 55144 651-646-0646 http://www.edwatch.org June 3, 2003 We have a session wrap-up on the way. In the meantime, hear from the Commissioner of the Department of Education (formerly the Department of Children, Families and Learning). Questions for the Commissioner Tomorrow, Wednesday, June 4th 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. Tune in to Education Wednesday on KKMS, AM 980 with Joyce Harley Discuss education with Education Commissioner Cheri Pierson Yecke. Call in with questions at 651-681-8255. Thank the Commissioner for her work to repeal the Profile of Learning and for her willingness to listen to parents and teachers. She deserves great appreciation. Encourage her to continue her support for knowledge-based standards in the science social studies standards. Other questions are also on the table, such as : Let her hear your concerns with No Child Left Behind What is the status of School-to-Work in Minnesota (Career Technical) which aligns all coursework with careers and requires workbased learning? What about students needing to choose careers by 9th grade in small learning communities? What about private foundations and federal grant money driving a restructuring of our schools, creating SLC's because that's where the money is? What about all-service Community Schools that transform schools into community centers? Where's the money and legislative debate on that? How much education money is being spent on Baby Ed (Early Learning) in comparison to K-12? Are Early Learning standards aligned with the federal curriculum (they are)
[Mpls] NRP
Here is an alternative to the way Steve Brandt wrote the NRP article.. The NRP intended to raid the general fund of $400 million over 20 years. Neighborhood activists have already spent $200 million. Since Minneapolis abused Tax Increment Financing (TIF) and found itself with skyrocketing debts, the legislature clipped its wings. In 2003, Minneapolis expects to collect $61 million in TIF revenue and expects to pay $122 million in bond interest (debt service.) Therefore, funding the NRP will have to come out of the $61 million shortfall. For this reason, some people estimate the funding available to the NRP over the next ten years to be zero. Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers
Quote (semi-accurate) from an old Bob Dylan song: Oh, there's bandits and there's bankers, Some rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen. But I've never seen a bandit Throw a family from their farm. Tim Bonham, Ward 12, Standish-Ericsson What's the difference if someone holds a gun to your head and demands your money, or if they hire a lobbyist or lawyer to do the same? I say BAN ALL GUNS, LOBBYISTS, AND LAWYERS!!! Personally, I'm more afraid of lawyers than I am of guns. Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] No guns at Hard Times Cafe
Hard Times Cafe, on the West Bank of the University of Minnesota, has also put up a sign banning guns.---Peter Schmitz CARAG TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] No guns.
And everyone will be much safer, now that government-approved gun owners will be banned from various premises, and criminals will know who's unarmed. This is lunacy. N.I. Krasnov Loring Park There IS a NO GUNS HERE website. There you will find that official and tailored BANS GUNS signs can be ordered free for businesses and generic 'THIS HOUSEHOLD BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES from Marcom Direct and Thoele Printing. http://www.nogunshere.com St. Joan of Arc, for instance will have signs and order forms available for those businesses and neighbors wanting to announce their prohibition on carrying guns on and into properties and buildings throughout Minneapolis. Andy Driscoll Saint Paul From: Sue Ponsford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:38:55 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] No guns at [...] My friend Charlie made [...] No Guns sign so I know they're on a place you can get a coffe and scone without getting shot. Several people have approached me about creating a No Guns Here website, so those of us who want to patronize places that are gun free can choose in advance. I don't have time but would be interested to know if anyone is going to take that on. Sue Bryant TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers
To quote accurately from an even earlier version. And it is through this world I travel I've seen lots of strange men Some will rob you with a six-gun And Some will rob you with a fountain pen But'll you'll never meet an outlaw Who'll drive a family from their home Woody Guthrie Dust Bowl Blues Craig Miller Buffalo MiniStorage 930 Calder Ave NE Buffalo MN 55313 763-682-4320 Boats, Household, Office 10X11 $50 - Original Message - From: Tim Bonham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mpls-issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [Mpls] Re: Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers Quote (semi-accurate) from an old Bob Dylan song: Oh, there's bandits and there's bankers, Some rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen. But I've never seen a bandit Throw a family from their farm. Tim Bonham, Ward 12, Standish-Ericsson What's the difference if someone holds a gun to your head and demands your money, or if they hire a lobbyist or lawyer to do the same? I say BAN ALL GUNS, LOBBYISTS, AND LAWYERS!!! Personally, I'm more afraid of lawyers than I am of guns. Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Gun law;Cub;Vehicle Crime
Chuck forgets one thing that does not have to be IN the law. The proprietor can tell the violator never to come on his/her property again. Nothing like knowing who doesn't care about the public safety to make things easy. Regarding Cub and the co-op 1) The big box stores will never compete directly with co-ops. Reason? Co-ops get started because the big box stores REFUSE to supply the stuff co-op buyers want to buy. To get good bulk paprika, I have to go to North Country Co-op. Also NCC sells a VARIETY of snack cheese whereas Cub/Rainbow have only individiually packaged mozarella sticks. Also, I can go replenish my natural soap at NCC. Also, NCC has a bigger variety of bulk nuts. And so on and so on. You want organic? Cub/Rainbow has a little, but it runs out fast. A good co-op really shouldnt worry about big box stores. However, a good co-op should NOT be doctrinaire. If your customers want something from corporate America, a co-op should sell it. To save the necessity of going to two stores. 2)Northeast had a co-op long ago. It was in the Marino's deli takeout place at 22nd and Johnson. My wife helped found it. It's base of support moved away or became parents or whatever, forcing it to close. That's a bigger threat than Cub. 3)Is the Columbia Heights Rainbow closing? That might be the biggest reason Cub wants to build there. The former Rainbow customers might be willing to head south to a Cub. 4)When I lived in Windom Park, I started out shopping at Country Club up at 26th and Central. Granted it wasn't a Cub, but it was a corporate chain store. I was sorry to see it go. What came in its place were small stores such as people now say they want to see more of. It's kind of a sunrise, sunset phenomenon. Vehicle Crime: Whoosh! Donald Greeley sent out an alert about vehicle crimes along Franklin and 26th Street. But right after that came crime maps for Philips and Seward. They illustrate a couple of things. First, the ability of a traffic artery to channel crime. Second, that Seward residents SHOULDN'T wail too loud. Look west if you want to see what a REAL crime problem is like! I guess if Minneapolis has squad cars, they should mostly be over in Philips. Sewardites should take prevention initiatives themselves. (Close off Franklin and 26th streets with barricades.naw, I suppose that would be illegal). After reading Andy Driscoll's message, it occurred to me that church's I am SURE could easily get volunteers to call every member of the congregation and PERSONALLY inform them the church's premises are no guns allowed. The people (the majority) who wouldnt want death-instruments in the sanctuary would be sure to want to do that. Sorry for the gun enthusiasts, but that's the way the sane world thinks. *** Businesses banning guns: The paranoid fantasies people have. We weren't a high-crime state when the only people carrying were those who could convince the sheriff their business required it. Now we're told somehow we'll become a high crime state because businesses ban guns from their premises. Yes, indeed, this line of reasoning is total lunacy. ** Jim Mork Minneapolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] WMD means weapons of mysterious disappearance TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] NRP
Yes as long as the county was the contract administrator for the activity. Barb Lickness Whittier"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed,it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
RE: [Mpls] No guns.
N.I. Krasnov wrote: And everyone will be much safer, now that government-approved gun owners will be banned from various premises, and criminals will know who's unarmed. This is lunacy. Actually, I think both sides are being silly. I believe there are approximately 300 cases in the U.S. a year in which a handgun is used as defense last year. So the odds of actually making use of your permit are less than winning the lottery. My guess is that it's about the same as the increased risk to yourself and your family attributable to carrying a loaded handgun. But then the risk of a citizen being harmed by someone with a permit is most likely as small, if not smaller. The signs in restaurants are not going to deter anyone from eating there, unless they do pat-downs or use metal detectors. What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that carrying a handgun would actually decrease the number of confrontations that permit holders get involved in. Anyone who takes the required classes should learn that if you initiate a confrontation or don't walk away from one, and you end up shooting somebody you're in line for a murder charge. And a person having a permit in such a case will make the crime a little easier to solve. It's like registering sex offenders. When they start to disarm America they'll be at your door first. The arguments on both sides are really ideological and emotional, not rational. However I am considering a boycott of all Minneapolis businesses with signs because I don't want to be the victim of a political statement. An equally silly and irrational position. Michael Atherton Prospect Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Alleged Rolling '30s gang member shot at gas station
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3923942.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Cub Proposal for Northeast
Just to clarify: The Cub meeting on June 17 (7 p.m. at the Pillsbury school park addition) is being arranged by the Windom Park Citizens in Action neighborhood group, not Council President Ostrow. The meeting is part of the neighborhood organization's regular monthly meeting. The MCDA and the proposed developer are scheduled to present on the Cub idea. Gayle Bonneville Waite Park resident (also works for WPCiA on part-time basis) TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] 2 a.m. bar time ordinance introduced
Some want to limit 2 a.m. closings to downtown... question: does the new state law allow that? (I thought it was all or nothing, but perhaps cities get some discretion here.) http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3923861.html David Brauer King Field TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Crime Statistics and myth perceptions- MYTH or TRUTH
Thank you Gregory Reinhardt for your post on Minneapolis Issues about statistics in general and crime stats specifically. It was as good an explanation of Minneapolis statistics and their limitations as anything I have seen. Mr. Reinhardt says, Before there were statistics, there were myths. These stories were allegories about ourselves. They told about out values, hopes and dreams. Myths served as a symbolic reflection of our inner selves. Actually, myths are shared stories or motive that is collectively passed down from and by a culture. As such Myths are symbolic reflections of that culture's definition of a inner-self. There have been far more myths created after statistics than there were before. Chief among these myths was that the numbers had had meaning outside of their intent. It is a bit like glorifying the hammer because it gives meaning to the nail. The myth is that statistics are any more than a simple tool that allows people to describe and compare phenomena. There are qualitative as well as quantitative forms of analysis, both are nothing more than attempts to form rationality out of chaos, and neither method or tool is any better than the observer, the questions asked, or the analysis of the observed. The problem comes when society attaches a believability to the statistics that surpasses their true purpose of, and as, tool. I enjoyed Gregory's report on crime stats. It brought meaning to Minneapolis' crime statistics. Given that there is the knowledge that crimes against persons and crimes against property are different, why does Minneapolis lump them together when looking at CodeFor? It almost sounds like the water is purposefully muddied. Lets get on with as Gregory says, comparing apples to apples and stop using statistics as if watermelons and apples have the same weight. I can assure a reader that any one rape equals a great deal more than 50 thefts to the individual woman or girl who is the victim! They also have very different weights for the individual resident's general perception of a neighborhood's danger and quality of life. Very insightful was the fact that, These categories reflect proactive enforcement action. Consequently they are not indicators of criminality but indicators of enforcement action. The reporting of such things as rape are very different in poor neighborhoods that in good neighborhoods. So the comparative measurement of them for indicating danger in neighborhoods is questionable at best when the statistics indicate enforcement rather than level of criminality. While the persons experience or data might only be anacdotal in nature I can assure any reader that it has no less meaning for real people dealing with real lives and not just armchair theory. Mr. Reinhardt says, Albert Einstein said 'Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.' What is counted is what is of value. Each community has its own set of values, the Minneapolis community has its own. Each individual in turn, has a set of different priorities. Both he and Albert are so correct. Numbers do not adequately express any value other than those of the person collecting, assembling, and then using them. The problem occurs when some do not place the same value on identical acts perpetrated against different people. Some individuals from wealthy neighborhoods do not apparently place the same value on the bodies of the poor woman in a poor minority community who is being raped as they do on their wife or their daughter suffering the same. Look at the press and media coverage the two rapes in Hopkins received. Versus the absolute failure to report any of the huge number of rapes in Ventura Village, Jordan, or Hawthorn Neighborhoods. The numbers and the values indicated by that differential in coverage given the differences in statistics on per capita rate are morally repugnant to those who actually look at the statistics. Look and see the heart ache and pattern of discrimination they actually measure. Look at a different statistic - minutes of media coverage per per capita rape rate. To me it clearly shows the values of our wider community, and the lack of value it has for the suffering of poor and minority people. In fact some individuals place as much value on the theft or the vandalizing of an automobile in a Nice Neighborhood as the rape of a girl or woman in a poor minority community. The difference is the value of them versus the value of us. To bad poor people and communities do not also get to be us to those people, isn't it? Jim Graham, Ventura Village Do not so firmly follow a belief or statistic that it blinds you to justice and truth. TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic
[Mpls] NY Times: As budgets shrink, cities see impact on criminal justice
Minneapolis and Chief Robert Olson offered as prominent examples: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/07/national/07CRIM.html (Registration is required, but it's free.) David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Eden Prairian's reaction to Downtown Mpls
Why pay more for suburban fare Downtown? asks letter writer. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/3919619.html David Brauer List manager Hoping the Twins pull it out in the 11th against the (sheesh) Padres TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] LRT update
Interesting update on LRT posted at the TwinCityRails list. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinCityRails/message/962. FYI, Shawne FitzGerald, Powderhorn TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Crime Statistics and myth perceptions- MYTH or TRUTH
On 6/6/03 11:34 PM, JIM GRAHAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed Gregory's report on crime stats. It brought meaning to Minneapolis' crime statistics. Given that there is the knowledge that crimes against persons and crimes against property are different, why does Minneapolis lump them together when looking at CodeFor? It almost sounds like the water is purposefully muddied. Lets get on with as Gregory says, comparing apples to apples and stop using statistics as if watermelons and apples have the same weight. I can assure a reader that any one rape equals a great deal more than 50 thefts to the individual woman or girl who is the victim! They also have very different weights for the individual resident's general perception of a neighborhood's danger and quality of life. Minneapolis doesn't lump crimes against persons with crimes against property. The FBI and Department of Justice do. As Lt. Reinhardt explained, CODEFOR is simply based on what the Feds call Part I offenses. If you have a beef with what constitutes a Part I Offense, take it up with Attorney General Ashcroft, not Lt. Reinhardt or the MPD. Mark Snyder Windom Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers
What's the difference if someone holds a gun to your head and demands your money, or if they hire a lobbyist or lawyer to do the same? I say BAN ALL GUNS, LOBBYISTS, AND LAWYERS!!! Personally, I'm more afraid of lawyers than I am of guns. Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
